How Offense has changed in Street Fighter 6 

So big Roof, expounding upon your other video about the parry mechanic being frame 1 to 2 for perfect parry, do you think all of these moves being -1 or -2 on block might complete replace traditional frame trapping with a new kind of "parry trapping" where you throw out a -2 button on an opponent you've conditioned not to throw tech, then mash parry to catch the button they try to check you with? The numbers seem to add up that way... 🤔👀

I noticed that a lot of the moves are slower on startup, as well. I've watched a handful of videos of people tooling around in the Training Room (in-between interruptions, of course) and even nimble characters like Juri and Kimberly don't have much - if anything - in the way of 3-frame pokes. They really want to you try out different Pokes based on spacing and what your opponent is currently tossing at you. If you're predictable and mindlessly following your "Pressure my Opponent" Flowchart, you're going to eat a Drive Impact or Punish Counter once your opponent catches on that you're spamming something over and over and over, or always "doing X in situation Y". Hopefully this means that the days of Karin spamming That One Kick Move until her opponent guesses wrong and gets tagged by it and hit-confirmed into oblivion will be a thing of the past.

this seems like a doa-esque direction which I would say is likely to be frustrating as hell for alot of players, but ultimately really good for the exact same reasons. In DoA you had to get in your opponents head to enforce a good deal of your pressure because all characters have universal ways of shutting you down otherwise. Ofc im sure with time the playerbase will come upon 5050 situations that ease that mental stress in a match but I don't think these 5050's will be as boring or set in stone. Here's to hoping that these changes--like with DoA-- promotes more player identity with how characters are played.

I like that burnout is where everything can turn into a frame trap. Makes getting burned out a really scary thing that can happen.

@@phantomcyrano yeah fishing for a parry/Drive impact seems to be the idea after you are negative to catch whatever they toss out next.

ya'll be saying the dumbest shit in the comments

On the cage fight stage, to the left of the Metro City banner, you can see Retsu, or at least somebody bearing a suspiciously strong resemblance to Retsu.

They just can't

@@DFloyd84 Ohhhh thanks for sharing!

@@PiccoloNamexio It’s just not right. 😂

Same here…. Didn’t realize normals were so often plus in previous street fighters

As a soul calibur player I’m all for this as well

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its not actually like that, dont forget the drive-rush will become more and more proeminent, and you can rapid-fire lights and thats creates "plus" frames by been canceled into each other, i labbed and used this a lot in matches so it really works, i thing its just no free plus frames as in SFV, plus frames will have more commitment and you will have to set them up, will actually increase the gap between new and seasoned players because will be more complicated to get them but they are definetely there

Drive rush wants a word.

@@gallo123 crawss cowntah

@TBA it works for Tekken 🤷🏽‍♂️

With the fact that the only comeback factor in the game is just a little bit of extra damage on your lvl 3-- I imagine there will be a lot of hype moments and comebacks that aren't/don't feel manufactured.

I love playing sfv, but watching professional sf4 is just mmmmm mmmm so good.

SF5 killed the hype tbh and i hated it

Hell, I'm hyped for most of the "non-professional" Beta footage.

@@philip1718 I turned off evo every year when sf5 came on. It just did not bring the hype like tekken or kof does.

It's another facet of "pretty much everything in his game is risk/reward". In this, it's "You wanna be Plus? Gotta spend some resources!" It will hopefully alleviate the SF5 "my turn, you're stuck in a block string, now it's your turn, and I'm stuck in a block string" cycle, as well.

It makes things more unpredictable and incentivizes what old SF is all about; footsies/distance and poking. I love sf6, being included for the beta was one of the coolest things ive had the opportunity to do in gaming, and I was very surprised at how well the netcode and matchup system worked. I couldn’t even watch replays or visit the merch store, because I kept getting ranked matches! And they *worked!* (somewhere woolie is shedding a tear.) only high ping I had was against a dude from the UK, at least I think. It was in his name. I’m on the East Coast US and played my server. All qol systems aside, the game is super fun. I mained Ken and the combos got me so hype. target punches into dragonlash into dp was super satisfying and surprisingly simple, but theres still a just frame learning curve for arcsys/anime players or kof snk players like me. All the characters shocked me. Kimberly has targets from l to h. Juri is super op and annoying but a blast to play. Ryu and ken feel more unique than ever in comparison, and ryu is good again! Chun li has an anti air that works really well and her combos are mean! Luke needs to put shoes on but is super fun to play, he has common sense shoto combos that will vibe with beginners and legacies all around. Guile is guile, but in the best way. Bait people into getting flash kicked with booms. And jamie... well jamie has everything. Charges, commands, installs, and sick combos. Jamie will be the most stylish character by far. Whats not to he happy about??? Im more excited for sf6 than any upcoming release period.

Of course

But then again you also had vortexes bleh. Still love the game though lol

No it could mean faster and long range normals are less plus than long start up and short range normals

DSP unfortunately makes up frame data in his head as he goes

@@rooflemonger That's why we love him!

Yes no more 30 minute block strings

Honestly compared to SFV chun probably weaker, but thats just with 3 days practice. Stance seems very hard to use correctly as seemingly anything you can do with it can just get mashed out of for free. One fun thing about stance though is it removes all charge timing, so kikoken or SBK is free to do, just tap the directions no charge needed.

SPD has been sadly increasing in startup every game, I hope they don’t make it even slower. 5 frames in SFV already made it hard to tick into unless you used specific ticks

Yeah not sure how many frames it takes to start a jump, but if f it’s not too much, the current 5 frames should be enough. Just enough for the player in offence to be able to jump if they read a grab coming, but not enough that they can react to it

@@i.ftekhar usually players get grab invul on the first frame of the jump startup, so it actually doesnt matter how long is the cg startup if u have to guess. it could become reactable if it's too slow tho

@@cerdi_99 shouldn't be too bad, usually around 15 frames is the edge of human reaction if you're specifically looking for that thing.

"Either a positive or a negative" Strong opinions, there

This is exactly how people were playing on the last day doing micro walk backs to crush counters and conditioning people to not press buttons. Mashing gets you killed half the time tbh, you really have to press it in the appropriate time especially due to the buffers, they just come out regardless, even if its more than 1 sec later which I hope they tweak. It's more akin to older fighting games which were more neutral based instead of the old attack until you're out of range with frametraps in the middle type of gameplay.

@@-8h- I think it's the opposite. That might happen at first or at lower levels, but the pros were already showing cool dirty tricks like following raw drive rush with overhead/throw mix and even baiting reactions to follow with perfect parry or DI. Once ppl optimize shenanigans with good meter management I think we'll get to see all the defensive AND offensive options the game truly offers.

Yep SF6 will get the full suite of guides when the time comes!

Yea in gg stive offense is so HEAVILY favored and rewarded that the second u start blocking against someone, you practically already lost the match

The change is universal far as I can tell on the 4f thing, might be even as simple as to improve quality of netplay, when the fastest move is just a bit slower, easier to keep games in snyc

@@rooflemonger yes, smash bros is a nightmare for this because several characters have one frame jabs, the online is almost unplayably bad at times

Good points, but if you meaty with a light and the opponent does DI you can just do two more lights to break the armor, or cancel the second light into a special

@@plannedtuna8293 It works in theory, but in practice, I never got the third light out in time in the beta. I was only ever able to break it using st.lp x3 when playing Kimberly.

@@Rhapsdos You don't need to cancel anything because lights are super fast and have no pushback, you can literally just grab in that situation, parry, or DI back. With kimberly I was able to break it with cr.lk, lp,lp, and even her target combo sometimes, but it did seem inconsistent, so I just grabbed or DI'ed back.

Jumps are still plus by design

@@rooflemonger okay, at least that will be familiar