number 1 and 2 takeaways from all of these episodes. The ground proximity warning system is always right and the stall warning is always more important than the overspeed warning.
Very, very true...and the stick-shaker! When that goes off, BELIEVE IT too! And TCAS; I think that all of those systems are all isolated/independent systems from the main airline systems. I'm sure TCAS is, and the terrain system is (in most airliners). I'm pretty sure the stick-shaker is independent too, but I can't recall for sure...definitely listen to the terrain alarm, though! If it's wrong and you listen to it, you go up or to the side. If you're wrong and IT is right, you die. Probability says 'definitely take its advice'. :)
There was a pilot who would use a cup of coffee sitting beside him to help him know which way the plane was flying. The liquid in the cup gave him clues when he had trouble. I don't remember that who that pilot was. But I salute him!
I was once working at a part of a stadium where I had to constantly look down four levels. I soon started to experience the same thing as the captain of Flash Airlines Flight 604: vertigo. I soon started acting strange and felt dizzy. Fortunately, my manager knew I normally didn’t act like that and knew something was wrong. He let me go home early and it was only when I was on the ground that I realized I had developed vertigo. Since then, I have asked to be placed elsewhere if I’m ever assigned to that place.
Not exactly. When you are flying IFR (Instrument Flight Rating) and in bad weather you cannot see anything outside. Especially at night. The only thing you can rely on is dead reckoning or your instruments. For example landing in IMC conditions with visual approach and manual pilot controls is both deadly and impossible. I am a pilot and I know.
@@veerkar Obviously, you're experienced enough . . . to know the difference ! Those first 100 hours . . . even 500 hours, could be the most dangerous. Hopefully that 'learning curve' all rookie pilots experience will be enough to 'save the day,' when you are experiencing a cloud of doubt ! 😬 🇺🇸
With the first incident, no amount of training could've gotten then out of that situation. It was night, they can see nothing at all, and their instruments aren't working. There's nothing else. It's like you're driving down the road and you suddenly go blind and deaf. You have absolutely no idea what's going on and there's no way too find out.
The Aeroperu flight was actually equipped with FOUR altimeters. 3 of them were barometric altimeters and when they gave a reading of "0" when the plane was obviously off the ground it should have been a red flag to both pilots. The 4th altimeter is a Radio altimeter (radar altimeter) and was obviously working. The radar altimeter's reading would have been visible on the primary flight displays. Unfortunately the controller saw the (incorrect) barometric altimeter reading on their radar screen - as the aircraft's transponder was transmitting data from the barometric altimeter - so when they asked ATC for their altitude and ATC *confirmed* the *incorrect* altitude.
EXACTLY! These guy's should have gotten this Aircraft right back on the ground, instead of their, "ho hum" , let's just talk about it and keep flying away into oblivion and darkness, away from all visual references! They didn't recognize the HUGE PROBLEM they really had until it was too late, but yeah, what the heck was wrong with the Rad Alt? NOTHING, except it's only good up to 2500 feet. Damn!
“Trust your instruments! Unless the pitot tubes are blocked. But there’s no way to know that from inside. So don’t trust them completely. Maybe trust them a little bit? On second thought, let’s not go to Camelot. ‘Tis a silly place.”
Pilots: ""We're hitting water'' Control tower: " climb.....if you need to, pull it up" Uhmm.......ok control tower, let me think if I need to pull up and climb. Great advise. Thank you.
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Idea: They can install a glass globe of water on top of the dashboard. Kind of like a snow globe. Coloured thick water would be better. Depending on how the water falls, you can know how the gravity is acting on your plane/the angle of the plane, even if it’s dark outside or the pilots think that their instruments are broken. It won’t need any wires or electricity, and at the least it can show turbulence. At most, it can show sharp turns and upside down airplane.
So many crashes could have been avoided if there were a couple construction levels mounted in the cockpit. The bubble never lies. Also battery altitude gps.
Moral of the story: Don't rely on the computer systems but rely on the computer systems. He shouldn't trust his senses and just check the readings. He shouldn't trust the readings and used his senses. Errrr okay... That perfect marriage between computer systems and crew is a complicated marriage. Especially when the two start divorcing and battle for custody of where the plane is heading and why.
I've watched enough Wonder to know, I cant put my full trust into anything. Did you forget to turn on the de-icing on the panel? I wont know unless the engine freezes up and plunges me into a frozen river.
I dont really think the engine would freeze up, Anti icing is for the wings if I am not wrong. Ice formation can mess the aerodynamics and make the plane lose lift. But engine flameouts can surely occur due to hail.....
I know about Air Florida Flight 90. The pilots were not used to taking off in winter conditions and debris was ingested into the engines when the captain tried to use reverse thrust to clear snow.
@@alexanderboulton2123 i imagine you could just keep a set of goggles under the seat compartment like they do with the pilot's O2 masks; but having said that I dont think it would help you with horizon perception until you were right up on the ocean level, unless it was super choppy seas
OMG! The TAPE episode was so sad! TAPE killed those people! And then there was those pilots who let their kids play with the controls! What were they thinking?!
On the B-747 inverted flight maneuver, try this old Helicopter pilot's trick. Hang your dog tags on something in front of you and the tags will be "DOWN", or ground! This works because GRAVITY is always in effect! You got that Airman???
This happens when EVERYBODY involved doesn't do his job... Maintenance not removing the tape. Maintenance supervisor not checking it. Taxi driver not checking it. The pilot not checking it before the flight. Multiple people should check the plane visually before every flight according to standard procedures. Here everybody didn't do it correctly....
I will never understand how pilots and controllers can completely forget how altimeters, airspeed indicators, and mode-2 radar work when they are getting bad data. I don't expect the average person to understand the systems in their car that drive the speedometer, but aviation professionals... Yeah. Beyond me.
@Jesse Pinkman Yeah, I dont understand how the ATC guy (who wasnt in a cockpit with a billion warnings going off) didnt realize that the altitude his system is showing isnt independent but relies on the planes instruments. However I also think better trained pilots might have realized that the warnings were caused by a problem with their pitot tubes and that they shouldve trusted the low terrain warning bcs that uses radio waves to determine height instead of pressure.
Before diving into Air Transat Flight 236, here's some honorable mentions I've thought about after the Flash Airlines crash, also about who's flying: - American Airlines Flight 587 - Qantas Flight 72 - XL Airways Germany Flight 888 - Air France Flight 447 - BEA Flight 548
You have to wonder what the Captain was thinking... Would you put your race car in into your child's hands at 16 yrs. old? If the answer is NO to one, then you have to say NO for both! All of the above questions should never have to be asked by the one in charge. Yet, ALL of us are guilty of making poor decisions over something quite in our lives; so while I am shocked & saddened that it happened, I can't sit in judgement.
44:28 "Planes aren't designed to survive landing on water". Pilots of US Airways flight 1549: I'm gonna have to stop you right there. (Disclaimer, yes, I realize this was made before the Miracle on the Hudson happened)
I think larger planes might not be able to survive landing in water because they are longer than A320 so the whole tail might break off touching the water. The rear pressure bulk head on US 1549 was badly damaged during the landing which does suggest larger planes might have the whole tail section break off
That's correct, they aren't. When planes do hit water, the cabin is designed to stay pressurized for 4 hours or fewer, depending on whether or not the plane is closeby to rescue or if rescue is farther out.
Maybe it's the way they portray him in the reenactment, but I thought they made him seem cavalier, downplaying or ignoring warnings from his instruments and FO that ultimately resulted in the emergency being more dire than it otherwise c/should have been. It's still a huge credit to him and crew to get that massive unpowered glider safely to the ground.
@@MadMako true, he was portrayed in a kind of negative way. The commenter above, Powerranger6342 said there’s a movie and I found it. It’s Piche, entre ciel et terre (available here on RU-vid) which is about his life and his successful landing of the plane. Very interesting.
@@gizmo8361 I assume Mayday used the CVR to generate the cockpit dialogue, but the acting and tone make him seem more dismissive than simply skeptical and disbelieving.
It's really crazy when you think about what went wrong and how the pilots tried to remedy the situation and then look for similarities; in most cases the pilots made similar small mistakes or larger ones due to difficulty thinking under pressure, gaps in training. Then, way off in its own category, is the idiot that let two children sit in the pilots seat of a commercial airliner and put their hands on the controls.
In the aero Peru case, if I'd get all of those warnings, my best alternative would've been to throttle up, and increase altitude, despite the conflicting warnings I was getting. It's safer to be at an higher altitude, than not being sure whether I'm too low or over speeding. I would put the throttles at a standpoint where I'd know I must be going at a certain safe speed and altitude, then I'd try correcting the issues one at a time as well as communicating with the tower.
@@turbolabamerica I get your point, yes!! But since all of those 13 alarms going off on me as you imply..are giving me inaccurate readings which ultimately only confuses the pilot even further,,,the only logical and certain option to select in such a case for the purpose of buying yourself more time in order for you to go through each of those alarms and come up with a solution for each one, you need to be alive and fly the plane, which in this case is the top priority! Thereafter, you can tackle every other issue one at a time, or whichever has top priority again.. If you as a pilot cannot trust your flying instruments that indicate your speed and altitude for example, as an immediate reaction, it's critical to leave the thrust levers at a certain RPM ratio where it's indicating that the engines are spinning at a certain rotation speed which by itself it's indicative of power being produced etc. Similarly to a car. For example, let's assume that your car's speedometer isn't working, and you don't know how fast you're going! However...having your tachometer indicating 4 or 5000RPM, it's relative to a specific speed whereby if you knew the speed of your car at a certain RPM number, you wouldn't be as troubled by the malfunction as someone who doesn't know the relation of RPMs to Speed..
They say you are safer traveling in an airplane than a car, but I still feel safer traveling at 60 mph at 2 feet than 500 mph at 30,000 feet, silly me. 😉
I want to watch the other episodes if Mayday but I can’t. It says “The uploader has not made this video available in your country” on all episodes of season 4 and 5. Wonder please make them available to everyone as I really enjoy watching them
I'll never understand why they don't have gps devices. One little Garmin handheld gps would've given them all the data they needed to maintain flight. Unbelievable.
what's amazing to me is how many years they use a plane before retiring it. I'm just not comfortable getting on a 40 plus old plane. you know most of the parts are old maybe never changed at all.
@@BigAlWillis Planes are maintained at a far greater level than a car. I understand your point and agree though, I'd rather fly a newer plane for comfort reasons. But older ones aren't any less safe, they just need to be taken care of more. I mean hell, some WWII fighters still fly regularly.
I still dont understand why people getting scared from boarding an airplane and think land transportation is better.. the chance of you dying on a plane crash is much much smaller than your average commute like waking down the street, riding your motorcycle or driving your car, and even using trains or subways... airplane crash seems to be worse because the casualties are usually large, even if its happen like once every couple millions flight... while in a car crash, it just one or two people die so it is not a big deal...
I think it has more to do with knowing you're gonna die soon. Sure it's not a black and white situation. I could be in a car accident, bleeding out and knowing I'm gonna die any minute or I could be killed instantly. In airplanes, you usually have lots of time before you die. It may be a roller coaster of going up and down and spinning as you drop
I guess it's a mix of the media, often exaggerating aircraft emergency incidents, and human nature, which doesn't like it if they don't know what is happening in the flight deck
Agreed, you should never and I mean NEAVER, let anybody that is on experienced sit in the captain's seat cluding if there if it's their own child to set in the captain's seat, and hold the controls that is acceptable for a professional pilot to do that.
That must be the best, most kickass tape ever made, if it didn't peel off due to the winds, exposure to thinner air, and who knows what other factors. If someone will advise me as to what dev makes that tape, I'll buy a few reels.
The first example was not an instance of pilots relying too much on automation. No airspeed or altitude over the ocean at night, automation made no difference at all.
Sadly it's normally it's a symptom of the company. Why expect a guy being payed minimum wage working in the middle of the night to the best job all the time? Why was the maintenance crew given non standard tape that could stay on in-flight? The exact same crash happened months before but that info wasn't disseminated for the sake of "competition". Idk shts complicated
I would like to know what happens to these employees who make catastrophic mistakes that cause the deaths of everyone on board? You would think there would be a checklist on paper that someone would go over prior to flight?
As a builder and scratch builder of large RC airplanes, when mine fail I go to the bar with a friend and drink Coka Cola until my tears stop flowing. I lost an Extra 260 once that actually made me drink almost a whole case of Coka Cola by myself. Luckily a friend was able to get off work early to support my morals. I don't adapt well to failure.
There's an axiom in aviation called aviate, navigate, communicate. The Air China crew threw that entirely out the window, if they hadn't broke into VMC when they did, their 747 and everyone on it would be deader than a doornail.
saying not to worry about flying, "because there are more carcrashes than there are plane crashes", is quite a thin reassurance. The list of horrific air disasters seem pretty endless to me. Besides, something about being in a tube suspended miles above the terra firma to which I belong, seems inherently obscene.