How Powerful Are Rogues? - World of Warcraft Lore 

been playing Rogue main for more then 10 years , never looked back! no other class gives this feeling that rogue has , stalking somebody who will never know you were there next to him . I never got bored of this class. Rogue Life!

Rogues use minor shadow magic to make themselves unseen, vanish into thin air, teleport above unsuspecting targets or temporarily negate magic damage. The rest of their abilities are from their weapon of choice and combat skill. You also forgot that Rogues fight dirty such as blinding a target, cheap shot to either distract or stun, they can kick you to interrupt spell casting or channeling, use poisons to make the job easier and of course disarm you. They are also able to create weaknesses in their targets like expose their armor, slow you to a crawl or cause a bleeding wound. The greatest thing about a Rogue is that he/she takes full advantage of the element of surprise, the first hit from stealth is generally their forte; since you'll never see a Rogue run up to you and start hitting you. So I say that Rogues can't exactly be called Pirates or Bandits or whatever the game says. Its a fighting style that fits certain characters that operate in a specific job. They can assassinate, spy or infiltrate so I don't see a dirt poor Bandit or a rum slugging Pirate being able to pull of what Rogues can do.

Also, the undead deathstalkers are perhaps the deadliest IMO. These guys have access to the forsaken apothecaries, poisons that could kill both living and the dead.

Ok im goin to tell you a very powefull non bias truth. Theres no defense or escape for surprise.

Big name rogues and how they fight reminds me a lot of bounty hunters in starwars, they're not something special but the good ones can go toe to toe with powerhouses like Jedi and sith with the usage of hit and run tactics and strange tools.

rogues do it from behind

IMO the Legion version of Sub Rogues have the most access to powerful abilities since they seem to literally use a bit of Shadow Magic in their work, although it is more so used to conceal themselves and dance in the shadows (albeit this plays into their strength by allowing them to constantly strike from multiple angles out of the shadows). Rogues in general are an interesting topic to look at in power scaling because they almost entirely depend on environment and getting the first strike. I would think they'd have a decent chance against Death Knights to counter what you said, DKs don't inherently have a greater sense of detecting Rogues and despite their armor and unholy magic keeping their defenses strong, a wise Rogue could always develop some sort of poison that's effective against them. DHs though are the natural counter given their better mobility and demonic vision countering stealth. You also mentioned them being at a disadvantage against magic wielding classes, but if we consider the Cloak of Shadows spell to be canon, that does give them a safety net to evade deadly spells and/or escape back to the shadows to get another opportunity at an ambush

Vid came at a great time. I've played since TBC and I started leveling a rogue for the first time a few weeks ago and I am loving it.

This series really helps understand the concept of the classes

This video doesn't talk about tauren rogues, because they're so powerful and skilled they're barely the same class, that's why Blizzard couldn't make them playable. But they're still around, that's why we're able to "defeat" so many powerful raid bosses that should be out of our league. Illidan? Tauren rogue. Archimonde? Tauren rogue. Sargeras? The other titans didn't actually get him to reveal himself and then pull him away, a tauren rogue cast Distract to get him to get out his cloud and turn around, then another tauren rogue used their grappling hook while holding onto him. They're just so humble, they always let other people take the credit.

A rogue could kill any caster that’s unaware. A typical rogue could sneak from the shadows and slit a caster’s throat. You cant cast magic when you can’t speak. And a rogue can do just that. Same applies with any leather class, save for hunter who has a pet that could track invisible. Regarding plate wearers. Warrior/DK/paladin, it’s likely they’ll win. DH who can see invisible targets would win 100% of the time. Especially if they could eye beam a stealthed rogue and just fly away. That’s just my 2 cents. I appreciate you giving a shout out to the shattered hand.

In Wrath of the Lich King forsaken's blight seemed to work pretty well against living and the undead. It even made the Lich King itself back down. So I would not take it for granted that poisons don't do anything against death knights. I can admit that rogues are definitely underdogs in many scenarios, but they usually get to choose the scenario in their favor :P

You start out by talking about Rogues lore wise, but then you compare Rogues against other classes gameplay wise. Lore wise a Rogue can kill anyone that is killable. Granted Hunters and Demon Hunters would have the advantage of sensing the Rogue rather quickly. But lore wise, a Rogue would most likely have techniques to disarm them aswell. Such as loud noises against the blind Demon Hunter. Also, lore wise, a gun shot or and arrow cannot be dodged, what the hell was that.

My first ever character was a rogue. I've tried other classes along the yers, but there is something special to the rogues. I used to play a combat rogue. Now it's an outlaw rogue, but still my talent and class of choice. Been playing this game since 2011, no other class does it for me like rogues do. I just wish they were able to heal better on their own.

Rogue is all about hit and run, using unfair tools. Your life is more important than the fairness of the duel. (only warriors can deny this) They are not super humans, magic abusers and other fancy shits. Rogues are simple humans (in general) with proper training. Their stories can be different in many ways.

Remember that Rogues can throw poisoned daggers. So they could avoid a spell that would have a travel speed and be visible (like Frostbolt ou Fireball) and throw a dagger to poison the caster. If the caster had not a barrier up he would probably be dead (or too week) to even cast a second time. That would be much harder for spells that have no travel nor cast time like dots and Fire Blast and Conflagrate

Nice video man! I just miss the Garona reference here as a lore for Rogues =)

great video as always. I love the laughs you added into this. Great move in a great direction. Makes it feel much more human and relatable. Amazing to see you improving in every video you make!

*rogue lore in a nutshell:* - premeditation (+2 combo point) - 4 sec cheapshot stun (+1 combo point) - hemorhage (+1 combo point) - hemorhage (+1 combo point) - 6 seconds kidneyshot stun 0.5 second before cheapshot expired - spam hemorhage till kidneyshot is almost over - 0.5 sec before kidney runs out use blind - wait while hes blinded until you drop combat and restealth - sap 8 sec - sap 6 sec - sap 3 sec - reopen with cheapshot and rinse and repeat

Been waiting to see what you think of my fave class ty

Don't the sub rogues use dark magic?

Would you consider doing a quick video comparing all of the classes and ranking them by tier when you finish the series?

You should make a video talking about wows elite families and which ones are most powerful going back to their history since there are a lot of characters who are related ingame.

What about subtlety rogues? They are gasping a little into shadow(void?) magic so it might be some advanantage (Cloak of Shadows kek).

If you've played Skyrim then you know about the thieve's guild, nightingales, and The Dark Brotherhood. I've been thinking that you could really be all 3 in Wow like thieve's guild could outlaw, nightingales could be subtly with their shadow magic and the dark brotherhood could be assassination. All there is left to do is choose a race.

how long i've been waiting for this. cheers

Apparently in Doron's universe no one can be assassinated. GG guys we're all immortal!

This makes me want to play WoW again because of the shots you took of the NPC's in the video

This honestly is such a blurred distinction between them and warriors. Like, is a large pirate Capitan who likes to use his stength and endurance to out match his enemy's, but also fights dirty, uses poisons and loves to open fights by getting the drop on people a warrior or a rouge? He's honestly both. What about an assassin who's also a master swordsman?

One thing I think you need to consider is that the wow classes are just titles by gameplay nature and their are tons of tauren or draenei rogues in the sense of dual swording swashbucklers or shitty less armored mobs. etc tl;dr rogue is just a title in game, or a description for a persons personality, it makes sense to say 'hes a rogue' but not because hes a traditional wow rogue, we mean hes an outlaw or loner."

Rogue main here! All in all yes rogues lore wise are one of the weakest classes. However, a good rogue like Valeera, Garona, and anyone from Ravenholdt can def. get a caster by surprise and wreck their day.

Ughhh this video made me love my rogue main even more. Seriously love the class fantasy of rogue.

I think a skilled rogue could kill any other class if he had time to prepare. What makes rogues dangerous is how they prepare, spy and wait for just the right chance to strike. A skilled rogue would not find a duel, he would slit a mages throat while he rested or was deep into some research, or even fighting someone else. Warlocks are frail and could probably not stand up well to a good sneak attack either. I am also certain a rogue would find some obscure and devious toxin that can harm an undead, such as a powerful acid or some magic holy oil, so I don't think death knights are completely fine either. Remember, Sylvanas hit Arthas with an arrow coated in some nasty toxin which almost killed him in WC3 The frozen Throne. Hunters would probably be the trickiest due to having a beast with heightened senses around him at all time, as well as having a good survival instinct. I imagine a hunter would get some gut feeling, or notice something in the terrain that is not entirely natural, or just cover his back with traps. All in all I think rogues can defeat almost any opponent, and would not challenge one he could not in the first place. This is what makes rogues so dangerous, they're clever and will find something to exploit, or simply stay away to save his hide. I don't think your average rogue would ever attempt to assassinate a Death knight or Demon hunter in the first place, but if he did, the fight would happen on his terms

Combat (outlaw) rogue is in fact just as good in combat as a warrior. If you want to rp as a barbarian, go for a combat rogue, fierce warrior in light armor

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never underestimate the versatility and flexibility of dagger in a fight. even against an opponent with a larger weapon a dagger can prove to be quite effective

Lol good timing notifications aren't even working and I went to check your uploads

Also not related to power scalings, but I feel as though lorewise Rogue is the most accessible class overall and has the most strategic planning. Obviously any of the magic classes requires some special attunement and Warriors/Monks have a very elite set of combat regiment that pretty much requires a lifetime of training. Rogues on the other hand don't really have a combat style that requires a whole lot of training, just a general sense of melee combat and a cunning mind that knows how to exploit their enemies' weaknesses and the environment. That to me makes their combat feel more visceral.

I think you've talked about the rogues as if they only knew how to go stealth and that's it and you've forgotten a bit about the outlaw specialization, which basically is a rogue more focused on fighting with agility rather than strength (which is what I would do a warrior), in fact is the "successor" of the specialization called COMBAT, in a match between a rogue and a warrior would be matched in terms of skill and everything would depend on the warrior's team (an impenetrable armor of plates would fuck a lot to a rogue). And regarding the hunter, I think you said basically because in the game, these have always been the killers of rogues par excellence, because a rogue can also use firearms (COMBAT ... again), really the only thing that could pose a problem to the rogue is the tracking ability of the hunter to detect beasts (or in this case, the rogue) but otherwise they are quite even. In the case of the druid that transforms into a bird, as you said, a good flying dagger or a weapon would solve the problem, in the case of the bear, again poison in the form of a flying dagger, or the hunter's favorite method, a good shot (after all, a druid in the form of a bear is basically a bigger bear with the intelligence of one of the playable races, but as vulnerable as any other). But my best argument is this: with superpowers or without them, a dagger that traverses your windpipe kills you in the same way, unless you have armor around your neck, or have a shield of energy until you defecate (which I doubt).

how do you record all the clips in your videos do you use a private server?

Point of a rogue is their vast arsenal of tools and gadgets,they aren't limited to one school of magic or one style of combat,they fight dirty and they fight ruthlessly. Batman is a great example of modern rogue

I think your sort of looking at it more realistically. In wow in game the older rouge would kill every class even now they can stand up and kill warriors.

hey where can i get the picture of the Belf rogue that pops up at 1:13 ?! its awesome and i need it haha please help

What about Nightborne rogues? I find it cool to be an assassin that liberated Suramar.

I see he mentioned it, WARDENS, i want that as a official class xD

Rogues are one of the best class at escaping combat, if they feel it's not going in there favor. Which was something not mentioned, but is also a big part of there strength.

Can you make a video about how demon possession works

A rogue is an introspective class. When you main a rogue, that's it, every class becomes meh, even they do have shiny names, shadow priest, fire mage, demonology lock, etc. All just bling! To calculate when to shadow dance, to kidney, to assess the situation, fast pace fight and think, role the bone, vendetta, unforgiving rotation. Basically it's a no mistake class forin pve you lose the edge with one off timed cd, and in pvp, tou lose your life. Been a rogue since 2004. And since 1979 irl ;)

Thanks for the great videos! Are you planning on making new "Who would win?" videos? I really liked those!

Knowledge is power- dadgar

Imagine how powerful could be shadow dance or shadow blades in lore

the class of rouge: assasins, ninja and Pirate

Rogues are probably the hardest to evaluate on a 1v1 metric since their whole thing is to never fight fair. They'd never put themselves in a 1v1 situation where the enemy is aware of them. Also, idk what casters would do against Cloak>Shadowstep>Shoot head/Stab neck with poison.

what about cloak of shadows against spellcasters :)

Can we have origin of the blood elfs next

You forgot pandaren are also rogues taoshi is a member of ravenhold pandaren are usually rogues of the shadowpan as well hunters and monks which makes them a deadly army

I can’t understand why do you take some other classes w/ abilities but rogues are only knifes and poison...

"How powerful are rogues?" Depends on the situation

Batman is basically a Rogue. This is why I think it all depends on the Rogue. I mean are we talking about The Dark Knight, or some pirate. One aspect I believe was overlooked was the cunning/tactician factor that a rogue could possess; he's not going to try to duel an armor-clad Warrior, he's going to kill him in his sleep.

the main problems with "power level" is that it's impossible to know, example a true rogue is the type of "warrior" that doesn't fight their job is to infiltrate and eliminate, so they can technical defeat any single target, given the right tools they have a job, now how you quantify power like that, they can kill any of the classes (except the demon hunter and the death knight) with one fast knife throw to the head, so i dont think its possible to say how "powerful" a rogue is but you can see how consistently they can win yes they can kill any one with the right tools, but that is the thing, they dont always have that so a rogue is a very "powerful" class in the right situation and a average class in the rest (also killing them is quite hard, being that they are very good at running away as well)

They are the best assassins in any game and always have duel daggers which are a person favorite for me

Comment before watching the video "rogues may have the advantage of surprise but they aren't as powerful as demon hunter" amiright ?

Long have I waited for this video.

Dude rogues are assassins that are sent to kill some of the other classes. Ambushing a mage with mind numbing poison to slow their casting. Using smoke bomb so they cant be hit with ranged spells. Not to mention a shadowstep to teleport behind a target. Also you cant shoot a fireball at a target if you're blinded from range.

the thing about rogues is.... if they catch a target off guard, they are designed to be able to kill that target. doesn't matter who, what or when (assuming the bit about being off guard is true). In game? this is limited to a great degree. In lore, if they get caught they aren't that good.

Man I wish goblins looked like that thumbnail!

...a video about Rexxar would be good..you didn't made one yet.

So in theory. Undead could Lie dormant within all the graveyards. In Stormwind... And just wait?

there's no end to our power!

We are the best, if you are not agree then 1vs1 me... but only when you are less than 50%hp 'kay thanks.

Warrior here and i always wanted to main a rogue i think is the funniest class to play

Never really played rogues. Was always bigger into Warriors and Hunters but then I played one since they gutted the Warrior class in SL. Gotta say WOW they are fun to play. So are survival hunters btw. Since I like Melee but Warriors are shitty atm the Sur Hunter and Out Rogue are what I am playing this expansion and its going very well

I always felt like demon hunter were like empowered rogues

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7:40 Min.: Me as a Holy Priest Mainn can say you form my PvP exp that yeah a good play rogue fully counters us priests and will brust us down in a blink of a second. But if its cames to palys. I say it so: All 3 Specs be dangerous af but the retri paly will beat the @ss of the rogues compleatly befor there run out of there bubble. If you dont believe me challange a good geared PvP exped Retri Paly for a duell as a Rogue you will fast see that they will beat your @ss compleatly with out letting you a chance to overlife. They be MONSTERS if its cames to PvP and fully eats most of the classes that exists ^^

Rogues are in top 3 strongest from beginning of wow!

I think the biggest weakness to a rogue is a death Knight and some spellcasters

In wow every8ne who can heal is immortal period even in arena 1v1 you need around 60% dampening to even have a chance and thats only a debuff for fairnis in any other scenario healers are the emboyiment of gods trying to harm others the least as possible but will do harm if needed.

Well in legion they can Oneshot pretty much everything that moves so . . . yeah

We need a bard class

A 1min burst Wrath-WoD.

I do think a most rogues can handle warriors if you look at there combat tools even in a 1 on 1 fight warriors rely on strenght and power rogues on poisons and agile movement what good is a big weapon if ur not able to hit your target? same goes for most of the rest tbh Poison is very potent tool against pretty mutch everyone and ye also sins the rework of Sub it does feel rogue use some form of shadow magic to enhance there attacks lore wise i do think Outlaw is the weakest spec of the class I do think Lore Wise Worgen rogues are the strongest of them all even more speed agility and stenght

There's no way a warrior can beat a rogue in a duel in game.

but what about illusion magic

What about combat rogues? Aren't they supposed to be that kind of rogue who focuses more on actual duelling then stealth? And aren't warrior supposed to have superior stamina and endurance, making them capable ignoring pain and resisting things like poison? In that case light stab isn't going to make it and rogue can't do much more then that to a warrior due to his heavy armour and superior combat ability. Rogues as a concept were always assassins of the assassins. They can easily kill those who are strong but fragile by always having the advantage of first strike.

Generally, rogue is a weak class, but by sneak attack others people, its made up the fair ground. Though, you can switch it backward as well, if other classes also sneak attack the rogue, rogue would be useless. In fair, rogue is average at best in fighting ability

This makes no sense, only wearing cloth and leather to utilize speed and agility.. Wow really didn't think this one trough Even wearing mail and plate they would be as fast and as agile as in cloth, only leather, depending on the type, would present an issue(like boiled/tough leather) Many games do mess this up and it's kinda stupid, like they give warriors and paladins full plate armor AND a shield.. like why would they need a shield in full plate armor, but they give shamans who dual wield and hunters who shoot arrows mail? Well that doesn't make any sense, why would they wear mail if plate exists in that universe :| Same goes for mages/priests/warlocks.. why are they not just wearing full plate when it already exists lol

Pandarens are also rogues too you forgotten them

I think the logic in your videos is a little bit confusing. 1. What abilitys are considered when speaking of an ,,average rogue'' or an ,, average'' - insert class? How do you know a rogue is weak or normal or skilled? 2. I think you're overestimating magic too much. Why do you think casters are so much above Melee or non magic classes. Because magic is powerful? Seems so but when a rogue can dodge arrows and bullets with his speed then a fireball or something wouldn't be that much of a problem because they are way slower. Also in the case of warriors, they are very resistant due to their physical power and that makes them also able to wear some of the best armour, wich protects them not only from great physical attacks but also a bit from magic. What does magic do to a body that is so much damaging? Ice bolts are pretty weak and it breaks when clashing with armour. Fire is pretty hot but its only a little moment when firebolt explodes that the armor is damaged by it and its too short to get a real burn from it. I don't think the explosion would to so much either. What does a festival rocket to a kevlar vest? Nothing. Also most spells are bound to mana and take a bit to cast or even need a spoken spell for it. A skilled melee fighter will use that to his advantage and throw a weapon or take cover prepare to dodge. Against hunters the spellcasters would have an opponent with way more speed and precision and also reach who has a powerful animal on his side mostly of the time. No way he can beat that. In the reality of the lore you have to be an incredibly skilled mage to compete with the variety of other classes. And that is very complicated because Magic needs much more study and a great little bit of talent to master properly. The most powerful of the main heroes are indeed magic users like Thrall or jaina at the moment but that speaks not of the normal battles and duels of the average and good fighters of Azeroth.

So a blood elf rogue is another variant of a Ranger

I love rogues but if you have a night elf hunter with a cat pet with stealth you can actually ambush a rogue :v trust me I do it all the time lol

I remember with my guild leader, who's main was a DK, a rogue killed him over and over, he disarmed him and without th rune blade the DK is useless, so rogues can have advantage over DK depending of the individual

Flare, traps, and hunters mark. Run for your life rogues ;)

My Rogue uses 2 2 handers

just use shadowstep wdym?

We have guns too

What would Pikaboo rouge saying about this video xD

Finally!

So rogues are like FBI?

A rogue taking a fair 1 on 1 fight is not a rogue but a dumb person seeking death. imo, only plate wearers and demon hunters have a strong advantage against them because it's a lot harder to make a good stab when someone is clad in plate and demon hunters can detect them easily. Normal hunters have a chance if their pet is good at detection and cloth wearers better pray the first stab/slash isn't instant death if they want a chance to survive. When it comes to death knights, it's the deathstalkers that can take them down due to apothecary poisons that can kill living and undead alike. No rogue will ever take a "fair fight", no rogue will go up to their target and claim "TODAY YOU DIE", they will all start the fight via an ambush, considering anything else is pointless to me, if you fail the ambush you retreat, you only take the fight after you've delivered the first crippling blow.