How reliable is your memory? | Elizabeth Loftus 

nice story

Clever experiment, kudos for creativity.

It would be very interesting to see what they remember 1 year, 10 years, maybe even 36 years later.

Can’t remember when it happened, where it happened, if it was 2 or 4 men, how she got there or how she left. But Dr Ford can 100% perfectly remember it was Kavanaugh who groped her...

A classic is to ask a question with a "the" and an "a". For example, did you the the gun versus did you see a gun. Very different results.

Scottish law seems to be awesome then.

America is by far the most socially backwards "westernized" country. I hate living here.

Ben Rosenberg: There is a simple solution to your problem. Go somewhere else.

@@DavidFMayerPhD Have a spare room? I'm on my way.

DavidFMayerPhD To tell you the truth I've been genuinely considering that lately

It is sad, initially, but he made the choice to let this experience hold him back and ruin his own life in the process

+Brooklyn Bradley - Exactly! I would argue ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is a bed rock foundational principal. +Benjamin Michaels - I suspect you would feel differently if you are ever wrongly accused of such a horrid crime as rape. ------------------ On the subject of _Justice_ _”That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.”_ ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-90) in a letter to Benjamin Vaughan, March 14, 1785.-The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Albert H. Smyth, vol. 9, p. 293 (1906). Franklin was echoing Voltaire, _”that generous Maxim, that ’tis much more Prudence to acquit two Persons, tho’ actually guilty, than to pass Sentence of Condemnation on one that is virtuous and innocent.”_ ~Zadig, chapter 6, p. 53 (1749, reprinted 1974). Also, Sir William Blackstone, in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, 9th ed., book 4, chapter 27, p. 358 (1783, reprinted 1978), says, _”For the law holds, that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”_ ---------------- +Jordan Francique - I think it is a righteous duty for someone - who has had their life, liberty and inalienable rights stolen from them, wrongly imprisoned and name trashed so that he would always be looked at with suspicion for the rest of his life, impacting his ability to find work - to do something about it. To right the wrong, to clear his name. I think it is unfair for the presenter to portray him as “bitter”, (she didn’t go through the ordeal and her name isn’t trashed for the rest of her life) as well as his fiancé who I suspect did not understanding his righteous anger. I bet if his fiancé showed a bit of understanding and willingness to help him clear his name he wouldn’t have been so ‘angry’. There is something called righteous indignation and you can be angry without sinning. I believe he had just cause to have both. He was doing the right thing to try and right the wrong by using the very system that unjustly not only convicted him but ruined not only his present life but his future life as well.

@Benjamin Michaels Better a hundred guilty men go free than we imprison one innocent man. This is the basis of western justice.

Many bad things can happen to us in life. Yes it can affect us and make us take up drink and drugs. But I believe that its still a choice. Its easy to blame circumstances and therefore avoid responsiblitiy and fel less guilty about the mess we got ourselves into. Its hard to take a big measure of the blame oneself go introspective and see at which point we took a wrong turn when we could have summoned our internal strength and avoided it. And to ensure that we learn from our experience and be the better for it. Becoming bitter and resentful is also a choice. He made that choice and lost everything. Its sad really.

+Ameerali Abdeali - The only bad, _random_ thing that happened to Steve Titus was the initial sloppy and incompetent police work when he got pulled over for driving a car that "sort of resembled" the one reported by the rape victim. From there on out it was a concerted effort of collusion and corruption in the criminal justice system, the police, the prosecuting attorney, those who coached the victim to make sure Titus was convicted at all costs, based solely on the victim's changed story. Yes, he made a choice, and as I've said above, I believe it was the only duty-bound choice to make. To try to right the grievous wrong that was purposefully done to him. It is our duty to bring to light these injustices that show not only where the system is broken, but also the willful incompetence and corruption of those who have sworn a duty to uphold, protect and defend our inalienable rights. Titus' inalienable rights were trashed, along with his life as well as his future life too. He would always be held in suspicion and his ability to find decent work severely hindered. Our - your - rights do not and cannot stand for themselves, we - you - must stand for them. That is what Titus was attempting to do, not just for himself but for all of us. I do not find that to be the actions of someone who is bitter, righteously indignant, but not bitter. Unfortunately, it appears that he did not have the support he needed from his fiance or anyone else. I dare anyone to go through what Titus did and not have any support from loved ones and see how well their health fairs. Because of all of the people before us, that were willfully and wrongly convicted, decided to take the easy way out and simply shrugged their shoulders and moved on, they failed to do their civic duty to stand upon and defend their inalienable rights against the corruption. That is why we now find ourselves losing them at alarming speed with little to no over-sight by the "people" and no accountability to those in the justice system who habitually abuse them. Now days whenever someone tries to assert their rights, more often than not, the police officer 'cops' an attitude and purposefully goes about escalating the situation in order to make the person pay for asserting their rights. Why? Because the police feel that their authority (their ego) has been challenged. Why would that be? Because of the training that they are given. The system is rotten and it needs to be corrected and that can only happen when 'the people' do the difficult civic duty and stand up for their rights.

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Nick Joslinn God , do I agree with you.

The other one I hate is when. Peop;e say "the Truth will set YOU FREE"??.. Well in this Decade, that does NOT seem to be the Case.. CRAZY High Rise Epidemic of Fabricated Allegtions / Accusations etc..

+Nick Joslin When people say that it doesn't make me laugh but it makes me sad

Maia Jincharadze Yeah, either sad or afraid.

Are you in trouble ?

I do have a false memory of seeing a UFO, hahaha! There was a fair when I was a child, right down the street and me and my cousins went further and there was a field which we saw the UFO. As soon as it landed, me and my cousins ran away in terror. The thing is... There was never a fair down the street, there was no reason to be any fair or party down there. I never asked, but sure they would call me crazy by saying that.

Hey

The human mind is fascinating, don’t you think?

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Peter Faigl I could not agree with you more. God knows how many peoplewere jailed and legally murdered because of false eyewitness identification.

Peter Faigl I forgot about false confessions.

Sad that she refused to testify on behalf of science in the Demjanjuck case www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p238_Cobden.html

one reason more to abolish the medieval aberration of death penalty, all over the world.

She’s a horrifying person who makes her money being an expert witness, defending pedophiles, rapists and serial killers

Feeling? Nah, that actually happened to me.

e g When you get older, the memory is the second thing to go. I wish I could recall what the first thing was.🤔

Where am I?

As my dear old father used to say: "What goat?"

I think you're thinking about that turtle that they made a wheelchair for out of Legos.

lmaoooo stoppppp

+Shandykidinkent Richmond There are people who will go against ANYTHING that helps better the human condition. And for some the only resistance possible is hitting the "dislike" button.

+Shandykidinkent Richmond People like to make their own hypothesis' :)

mYl Armuotas You both are right, people just want to impulsively "dislike" something that doesn't conform with their own beliefs. Apologies for not replying earlier, working on my Major in Sociology. - James

It's their right to disagree after all.. And I'm sure there are other theories that have just as much evidence... The brain is still a big mystery... Then again, knowing the internet community they just disliked it because they felt like it.... - Bachelor in Psychology :)

mYl Woo someone in the Social Sciences I love it! I'm getting a Minor in Psychology, becoming a Occupational therapist for the VA. what do you specialize in if you don't mind me asking? I have a close friend who is a clinical psychologist. - James

testimony is only useful for comparing against forensic evidence. and the person giving the testimony must know nothing of the forensic evidence for it to be useful.

many times the eye witness helps catch someone & it's the right person

Unless you know the person or have seen them around, it can't be trusted.

Patrick I think your first sentence is overly broad. Memories are neither one hundred percent accurate nor one hundred percent inaccurate. Eyewitness accounts can be used as a part of the puzzle, taking into account the understading of their limitations.

Elaborate. What meta-studies have you seen concerning what evidence leads to conviction that justify your position?

People tend to repress memories of things they did that they regret. I believe it's likely the memories are still there, they just refuse to come to terms with that. It's like when someone who drinks/uses all the time finally goes to AA or NA, they are basically forced to admit that they are addicts and will always be addicts, that's the hardest part for many of them. There is something innate that fights against that admission, it's like an admission of guilt or something. Almost like when you catch a small child red handed in wrong doing and they look at you and shake their heads like, what cha' lookin at me for? That urge to deny that we are flawed and can do wrong is strong and built into us at a very young age. Just know you are not alone in your experience my friend..

I'll typically do the last two

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My memory used to be well enough that i could tell you everything going on around me for that memory. Now i struggle to remember how to finish sentences. Most times i try remember logical details that logically must have happened to support my version of events. Like growing up, my brother would often think i did this funny thing at a party, but i was always working on weekends and only called out twice during that period of time, one for a wedding, and another for a birthday neither of which he went to. So if i mist hsve been working, then i couldnt have been with him at those parties to do those things. It isnt even possible.

Or so you think...

Yeap, it's why I keep my diary and notes, so the important stuffs do not get muddled over time. Never trust humans, not even yourself.

Pointing out the need for corroboration in the case against Brett Kavanaugh. 100% sure from something that happened under stress 36 years ago shouldn’t be accepted as pure memory.

👍( gas lighting)

That is exactly what I would like to know. Democrats dont want the populace to see it.

might be the shrill tone

Her voice might make some people deaf

Because its about abuse and ted supports hillary

It's about wrongly accused of something because of false memories. Hillary has nothing to do with it. Do you have a comprehension problem or are you just a dumbass?

I think its how we individually perceive things. For instance, a teacher can be really friendly and touchy with students and you'll think nothing of it because hey, its just their personality. Then they get accused of sexual assault and you go back on your memories and think "Well maybe they were a predator rather than just friendly".

I think its incredibly relevant right now. I think everyone should view it and think.

I think there's a whole lot of evidence that politics was involved. With such a weak case with no evidence from 36 years ago that literally all the witnesses said didn't take place, I don't think such a thing ever would have been brought to the Senate hearing under normal circumstances. This seems like grasping for straws in an effort to delay the confirmation.

I think you need to read more sources before summing up the case like that. You're pretty much spouting GOP talking points there. I'm certainly not saying that the Dems are 100% trustworthy either, but "literally all the witnesses said didn't take place" is completely false. Also, while I don't think that anyone ougth to be convicted for a crime with weak to non existent evidence, I think that misrepresenting and lying under oath, losing ones temper that easily, and being extremely openly partisan, ought to be disqualifying behavior.

Name one witness other than Ford who corroborates any part of her story at all. I’ll wait right here.

@@scubamanbrian1518 They said they had no memory of it, not that it didn't happen. Describe a party you attended in the summer of 1982. I'll wait right here.

Her work is amazing, and it is even expended upon in the field of neuroscience. Memory is not about what happened, but rather about what is the most probable that has happened. We have predictive and associative brains, not factual and logical ones. It's pretty scary and awesome at the same time.

​@Itzcali liliana I don't have to discredit the idea of repressed memories, the idea has to prove itself. There has to be replicable evidence that repressed memories exist and the ways to access them are reliable. At the same time there is ample of evidence that you can plant false memories in someone's brain, so you have to take that into account as well. As with everything in science, there is a lot of nuance here and neither side is probably completely correct. It is possible and documented for people to have memory loss after an intense trauma, which would be interpreted as repressed memories. It is equally possible and documented that careless therapists actually talk their patients into the conviction that they have been abused by their parent and that that causes their hardship, while this has factually not happened at all. The brain is very susceptible to suggestion. It is, however, far more likely that things are just forgotten naturally, even if they did truly happened, and that recalling them during sessions only further restricts the patient recalling them. In this case there are not unconscious memories, the brain has just learned to interact with the world in a certain way, and being aware any trauma that happened isn't going to help with dealing with that.

Is a well know abuser defender, Ted Bundy, Havey Weinstein, Jefrey Epstein, Bill Cosby are just a few she defend, she´s so unetical

Yeah sure, that is what therapy is partially about. Accepting the past as it is, as you realise you made unsmart decisions and accept them. You turn the feel of sourness and bitterness of crushing defeat into something useful. You begin to learn from EXPERIENCE - the bad ones. The second part is about remembering your victories. Your successes and how you achieved them.

You mean disservice to many, many victims!

A fantastic service indeed… for satanic pedophile cults.

@@johnv6759 Eh it has Inception energy tho

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I don't know it it's overrating, but what I know from my basic neuroscience knowledge is that our brain saves negative experiences "stronger". It's a mechanism so we protect ourselves better to not make or allow the same experiences over and over. On the other side traumatic experiences are moved to the subconscious for the purpose of not going insane. And now stop with your Inception world domination schemes :)

Shame on me! My plan was discovered! :P :)

Luciana Espindola Her "ethical arguments" were very bad to be honest. I agree that the ends justify the means, and that this is good research, but her argument about parents do X, therefore X is good, etc., was just bad. We just watched most of this video in my psychology class (im a philosophy major) and I'm just sitting there thinking like, jeez, just stop.

Well, Justin... I would like to hear a bit more from you about why this video is bad. I saw it 8 months ago and really don't remember the details. If you are willing to discuss (and I bet you are, since you are a major in philosophy) I would gladly watch it again and discuss it with you. But by my own comment, I believe there is something we strongly disagree about this video, since (apparently) I never thought "jeez, just stop". Anyway, I also don't agree with the "X parenting" observation (and I don't remember it this way), which makes me wonder what difference would it make to you to watch this video until the end instead of most of it. I have no formal instruction in philosophy (I'm a physicist with major in computer science), but I have some friend philosophers whom I use to have some beers and discuss about everything. I also had a psychologist who always told me I should have been a psychologist, not a physicist. Well, I guess our talk would be fun.

That wasn't really her argument at all, her argument was to the person that said they shouldn't do it because it requires parents to lie to their kids, and she replied with a picture of santa, which is true, parents like to their kids alot, in many ways.

I feel this too. About a month ago, I did a barely visible scratch on my car. I was really upset about this. Then I went on a trip for a few days and kept thinking about it and stressing over it a lot. I would constantly try to remember the scratch and each time I remembered a bigger scratch. When I got back from the trip and finally saw my car again, the scratch was so hard to find and so small it made me feel like something was wrong with my memory!

It’s also widely known and accepted that in severe trauma, a common thing our brains do is dissociate. The event goes in your subconscious and often will later come out for varying reasons. This talk is not addressing that. She has testified over 300 times for the defendant in sexual abuse cases, and basically denies that dissociative amnesia is real, yet says she knows it’s very real in some of her publications.

@@blakelarsen3743 Yes she admitted to recalling a repressed memory in her book. How would she know if my memories are different than how the incidents occurred?

@@Marianna-js3ji Corroboration, if we are talking about something that involved only yourself then no one but yourself can know and in that case asking that question is pointless. In the case its an event that involved you and other people, your story should be mostly the same with other people and if not,, why are there inconsistencies?

@@blakelarsen3743 Those two statements can be true at the same time. I can deny dissociative amnesia is real as a condition, pathology or diagnosis. And then i can claim it is a phenomenon or concept in literature. But until today we still don't have solid, conclusive evidence of dissociative amnesia. We have case studies, one RCT and a few systematic reviews. To claim it as a diagnosis with confidence would take a lot of face.

@Eustres Some of my memories have been proven by documents I found online about my abuser and the name of a girls home I was staying at back then. He also ran ads in an alternative newspaper, and the phone number matches his name in the local phone book. So it's him. I can't prove he abused me but my symptoms match that type of abuse according to SSI doctors. I am still collecting evidence.

This has been accepted science for a LONG TIME. And the whole satanic cult thing was going on far more in the 1980s than the 1990s. If you research the Titus case, there's a case to be made that police just wanted a perp, they found *someone, so let's put him in jail.

blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/what-experts-wish-you-knew-about-false-memories/ This came out in 2016, so it's still controversial and more accepted by clinicians than actual research psychologists.

BTW, she's Dr Loftus

no, what youre referring to is a thing called the mandela effect. look into it, its quite a conspiracy.

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Pretty late to reply but might as well: Regarding the court case (Taus v. Loftus), Loftus mostly won. 21 causes of action, 20 dismissed as SLAPP (sue until they give up, not because you are right), last one valid. Taus had to choose between dropping the case or facing hundreds of thousands in losses (went with the former obviously, had to pay for the legal fees), Loftus's insurance paid several thousand in nuisance fees because of that one infraction (Loftus claimed to be someone she wasn't when interviewing the Taus's foster-mom). Regarding the accused mother (Jane Doe Case), initial verdict put the bio-mother as guilty and as a result she lost the custody battle. After the case was done and the results published, Loftus's later investigation added that there was quite a bit of argument (including accusation of sexual abuse) during the parents' separation and suggests the father and step-mother indoctrinated the daughter (possibly unintentionally) to believe she had been sexually abused by the bio-mother. Ultimately the bio-mother was concluded as innocent but by that point in time the decision was made and the damage was done long ago (and even if she had won, the indoctrination would have the daughter favor the father instead anyways).

I like your comment....and seeking evidence to support that - the mandela effect isn't real - is what lead me to this video! I wish everyone would view this video. It would help improve many juries...before they present a verdict!

Actually It might be real. I am sorry. I have watched a few monthes ago. A video Clip where Tom Hanks actually says "Houston we had a problem." I was bummed out when he actually said that. Then videos reporting that it changed back. I had to see this for myself. I was watching the same video but this time. Tom Hanks says "Houston we have a problem" I wanted to compare the two videos but it turned out to be the same video. The same thing happened to the flintstones. For a few months, the flinstones was missing its T. Now it has its T back in its name. I am afraid that my conclusion is that its real. Reality Shifts just might be real.

Jacque's Movies Jacque, thank you for the feedback. While I'm still very skeptical, I just came across one where the definition for a word is very different than my clear memories of it. I remember a professor telling my class (many years ago) a specific definition for a word. I recall my Princeton educated relative using the same definition soon after that. I just looked it up in an online dictionary, and the definition is practically the opposite from those memories! It would take a lot of evidence for me to be convinced that all these 'memories' aren't just our imperfect minds having false memories. The scientific evidence is what I value more than my own memories! Your examples do sound interesting, though.

@@jacquesmovies3633 Really............

I've known this for a while. And it just sickens me of how many innocent people are likely in jail due to this. Evidence needs to stack up. And juries don't want to be there and usually are uneducated especially on scientific and critical thinking. Our system is no good and was invented 100's if not 1000's of years ago. Very saddening indeed.

if they colluded wasn't it intentional rather than a case of false memory?

@@dessertstorm7476 Who said anything about false memory?

Nobody, which is why I asked the question. The video is about false memories, the false rape allegation is the example she used. Seems irrelevant to bring up other false rape allegations which have nothing to do with false memory. The topic isn't rape allegations it's false memories.

Where was the forensic evidence?

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"Use it wisely"

But wouldn't it be hard to tell if someone 's memories are really true or not?

@@johncaze757 read The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk. But she dismisses children who have been severely abused and there's a lack of logic. So across the world there are now testimonies from many in different countries of adults who were abused in satanic rituals as children They haven't known each other and yet there are common threads which would be the case in ritualistic harm. Some of it is far too extreme to make up. And until they remembered there was evidence in their behaviour, choice, fears, and how their physically respond at certain times. A child survives and functions by suppressing memory at the time. It's a survival technique. For myself 3 years ago I heard a name mentioned, my body froze, I could move, I felt terror. Once I was back from that I asked who that person was and as I listened my body sensations were full of memories of abuse. I was 1 years old so I didn't have words but I know something happened. There are plenty of talks from trauma specialists (which she isn't) dismissing false memory. It's not even recognised as a condition by the psychiatric organisations or medical profession. If you research - there are talks on YT. Anneke Lucas did talk this summer on false memory syndrome and many other...this idea has caused huge harm to victims. I'm not sure why she wants to continue with this lie, or defend perpetrators, ...maybe because she became well known through it, but it's wrong. Yes, sometimes different siblings recall events differently as they experience the same event differently and occasionally people have lied. But the truth is child abuse is far too common, many of us have repressed memories, but it doesn't mean the memories aren't real because it took us 30 years to remember. Repressed Traumatic memories is recognised. False memory is not. I'm surprised at TED really. I hope that helps.

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I'm not sure they were thinking they were being misled, many of the psychology studies I've known-of were using misdirection in some form or another. Our understanding does seem complex.

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