I find it interesting how militaries and factions often times used their BEST STARFIGHTERS PILOTS as undercover agents a lot. You'd think they'd want to keep them as safe as possible until a starfighter battle took place...
I agree, I find this really odd. When I read this book I was just stuck sitting there thinking, don't you have better spies and infiltration specialist? Why use the Rogues. The Rogues should be in the skies. This was the most boring book of the 4 IMO because there is almost no flying.
yeah it's one of the weakest parts of the series if you wanted an ace squadron on hand I get that but they shouldn't have been the central part of the offensive
I guess the idea is, they need to be good enough to escape should the situation arise and they are the target of a hot pursuit, that would require an experience star pilot, that is undercover and not relying on anyone except the provider of the starship or fighter with hyperdrives, and if he got the information he needs, and needs to get out, and to ensure the information will return to base no matter what he may come across, you would need an experienced starfighter pilot
@@streakermaximus That idea is present with Inferno Squad from EA, Dice's Battlefront 2, although we never got to see if the rebels had their equivalent to it before inferno squad defected
The new disney movies’ lack of Wedge is honestly a major issue I have with them... Though I can’t blame the actor for not wanting anything to do with disney so there’s that...
Both the liberation and invasion of Coruscant during the Yuuzhan Vong War was pretty interesting. During the invasion, the Yuuzhan Vong drove refugee ships ahead of them as part of their invasion tactic.
Eckharts you may know me as mr “notification squad like it up” but I just wanted to say I entered surgery today and this daily video is what I have been waiting for and I appreciate the work you do as many many people love you videos. Keep up the good work.
EckhartsLadder thank you for taking the time not only to make these videos but to sit here and reply to people like me. These mean a lot to people just like you do. Once again thank you
There are so many reasons why I prefer the old EU (I rarely call it Legends), but one of the many reasons was because the authors weren’t afraid of writing about the small battles as well as the large ones. They put details in what some would consider footnotes of history. Hell, there was a short comic about Mara and Luke’s wedding that put the spotlight on a group of Imperial loyalists who wanted to sabotage it, and they nearly succeeded. Things like that could easily be disregarded to a sentence of exposition. I miss the old EU. I miss the creativity that flooded the minds of people like Timothy Zahn, Arron Allston, Troy Denning, Drew Karpyshyn, Karen Traviss, and so, SO many more. I tried to get my brother interested in The Old Republic era but he waved it off as “stretching too much” and said he wasn’t interested in the history and lore of a series he likes. I just want to know if he’s part of a small minority or is that a common belief among the current fandom of Star awards?
Most people are not interested in Real history, let alone a fictional history. And Star Wars has alot of real world history tied into the 90's and early 2000's novels. Ackbars failing health was heavy copy off of FDR.
What I love about the EU is that it mirrors our real world events. Sadly, much of it is being scrubbed off as this is reflected in our lack of interest in our history and replaced with altered timelines that fit our narratives
Just read the first x-wing novels and... man they were good. I’m on the fifth one now. Now I know how to pronounce their r names to. I actually just finished my school book review on it.
Keep in mind the author didn't know he had won the contract until 3 days before he had to submit his plot for the first 4 novels. He was able to write all four of them in 800 or so hours.
@@aralornwolf3140 ...This guy works well under pressure then *Or at least in my opinion he does* cause they were my favourite ones. From the 6-7 that I read.
*Shrugs* In one of the novel's "about the author" he wrote that it takes him about 200 hours to write a novel. I used that number to get the time it took him to write the first four. Other Star Wars novels he wrote: I, Jedi Star Fighters of Adumar Those novels give a lot of back ground information. Specifically, I, Jedi deals with Luke Skywalker's academy and his first ever students. Star Fighters of Adumar gives a glimpse into the early days of the Rebel Alliance and what they did to keep hope alive. You know Micheal A. Stackpole is a good writer when his own characters appear in multiple followup novels.
Ah; "Wraith Squadron". My all-time favorite EU novel. Far from the first I read, but it struck a chord with me and its characters all have a special place in my heart. Yub yub, Mr. Thompson, and enjoy your reading.
@@aralornwolf3140 Starfighters of Adumir was Aarran Aliston not Stackpole Stackpole did the first 4 X-Wing novels then "I Jedi", "Isard's Revenge" and the second and third novels in the "New Jedi Order" series he also did A LOT of Battletech novels
I love seeing you do Legends content. The old EU is my personal head canon with the Second Galactic Civil War and The Yuuzhan Vong War being my favorite parts. So whenever you make legends content I'm always happy. If possible I'd love to see more legends content. Please keep up the good work Eck!
Stackpole's X-wing series is excellent. In my opinion second only to Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. Definitely the two best SW authors, they even did a four part novella together that was featured in the anthology book Tales from the Empire called Side Trip.
I don’t know man, while the wraith squadron books were good, I feel like the rogue squadron books were better. In my opinion, Isard was a way better villain then Zsinj
One can only imagine the fear of the poor captains defending the planet. "That's strange, I wasn't expecting two SDs to show up toda-." And then, the Mon Calimaris start to jump out alongside them. The realization of the actual ownership of the vessels. And seeing ship after ship appear in front of you. And of course, the sickening feeling, knowing that there is no way the planet would drop its defenses to let you retreat in this situation. No matter what faith those captains had in the planetary shields. It would be quite obvious that if nothing else, they themselves could not escape. Even if the rebels failed, those captains had to have realized that they would not hold out long enough against such force to survive until reinforcements came.
And how his fighter wing is basically by the book and doesn't really take risks, I also like how his fighter group gets upgraded from Y-wings to B-wings showing the progression of the New Republic.
Before watching the video: I know that there were shields involved, and that it was somehow crazy thanks to the bonus mission from the Clone Campaigns, but how crazy was it? After watching the video: Uh, Wedge, what were you smoking?
Well from the tactics he used, I'm going with "mass murder of hundreds of millions possibly billions of civilians" just to destroy the generators, it's quite likely he killed nearly as many civilians in this single battle as the empire did in several years.
To be fair, Wedge was given a very small amount of time to pull off the ridiculous feat of dropping both of Coruscant's planetary shields before the rebel fleet arrived. (Yeah, TWO shields) They'd tried and failed to sneak some backdoor code into the city's central computer, so this was the only remotely plausible idea the Rogues had left.
@@cgi2002 there would have been almost no loss of life, Coruscant was subject to fast forming and fast disipating electrical storms so there were lightning rods everywhere, those would have protected civilians and massively reduced civilian casualties, only people who were outside at the time would have been at any risk and very few people had cause to ever go outside, the plan was to overload the power grid and force it to be shut down, which is exactly what happened. generators were not destroyed relays may have been but a significant part of the objective was to limit damage so power could be restored quickly
@@cgi2002 Wedge's tactics would not reasonably be expected to kill more civilians than most other approaches and the civilian impact was taken into account but there is one reality worth noting: there's almost no way to liberate a planet of a trillion without killing millions of civilians. Also worth noting that when Lusankya blasted free, the devastation her departure caused coupled with the impact of the Krytos virus far exceeded civilian deaths from the New Republic invasion and left a lasting memory for the local populace.
He already did something similar this this with the Covenant ship winning, but for some off reason. The unsc infinity losing to this class of star destroyer. Most fans agree because he's biased to starwars.
Omg why does everyone always pit halo and star wars against one another? halo and mass effect is the better match up. Also the covie carrier wins because everything in disneys shitty excuse for star wars canon is weak
He's like Anakin from AOTC in terms of Force potential and early Force-sensitivity. Also he was trained in the ways of the Force both as a kid and by Luke later in life. So, not a Mary Sue.
Coruscant Defense Fleet at this time was stated to have a dozen Victory class Star Destroyers but Isard reduced this number to two after seeding the Virus.
There's one universe that I'd think you'd really enjoy Eck, especially since you like Halo and Battlestar Galactica. Babylon 5 by JMS was a large inspiration for those later series, the UNSC especially drawing from B5's Earth Alliance. The entire show is on Amazon Prime, and if you have it, I highly recommend Babylon 5
Ever since your Covenant vs Vong video, I've been thinking about hyper-aggressive tactics and how to apply them More often than not, forgoing finesse in favor of brute force is portrayed as simple-minded and needlessly wasteful (i.e. those often employed by the _Galactic Empire_ or the _Covenant_) but I wanted to hear your opinion. What circumstances would validate using a sledgehammer over a scalpel, assuming you have the resources for both? Also, is this where we should ask our questions, or would you prefer we PM you or post somewhere else?
Its pretty wild given how many authors worked on EU material that literally no one could come up with a plot other than "a strike team will disable the shields from the inside." This is the solution to every tactical problem in Star Wars
Yeah but usually they are far cleaner than this. Think about it, creating super storms (which can't be aimed) to destroy several well armoured buildings on a planet with a population of over a trillion people. The civilian casualties would have numbered in the billions, the collateral damage would have devastated most of the planet. Really taking the planet would have been far simpler, you don't need a fleet or an invasion. A simple uprising would have cost far less lives, the planets garrison couldn't have numbered more than a few million, I really doubt they could have stopped the civilians simply taking it.
It's classic siege warfare. When you come up against a fortress with impenetrable defense, you can a) simply go around it and strike at more vulnerable targets, b) surround it and starve the occupants out, or c) find a way to sneak someone in and open the doors from inside. Rebel command decided against A; they wanted Coruscant, and they wanted it before some warlord beat them to it, for both its strategic and symbolic importance. They ruled out B, because they'd be vulnerable to those same warlords if they deployed their forces to blockade the planet, and the civilian population, especially the non-human population, would suffer. They needed a decisive victory.
@@dianabarnett6886 that's the thing tho. Realistically a siege of Coruscant would last at most a few weeks. The planet simply can't feed itself. Yes there would have been civilian casualties but the important part for the rebels is who would be to blame. In a siege the empire is to blame for the deaths as they failed to surrender or share supplies. But with this attack, the rebels are directly responsible for billions of civilian casualties, mass destruction of vital infastructure, and they still had to fight a battle afterwards to take the planet. It's actually reasonable to assume given what would have been destroyed infrastructure wise, that as many as half of the planets population would have died in the following weeks, as all spaceport facilities are damaged, all atmospheric controls are damaged, weather control is damaged (and the storms they caused would last for weeks or even months), the vast majority of key engineers, civil servants and business leaders who a new government would need also live in the upper levels,and can therefore be assumed to either be dead, or hostile to the rebels now due to them trying to kill them. Basically what the rebels did is turn Courscant into a giant slum, unable to feed itself, with few if any core systems operating. And the rebellion don't have the manpower to restore order, so without a healthy dose of plot armour, in a single act they just lost all their credibility, and turned most of the galaxies key planets against them As if the cost of liberation from the Empire is the complete devastation of your world, it's just not worth it.
the plan was to use the storm to overload the power grid, that worked, it did little damage and caused very minimal loss of life especialy when compaired to the exit of Lusanka or the Krytos virus. the full plan was to use the construction droid to force evacuation of the mirrror control facility, then take the facility (which worked, maybe a dozen imperials killed) then use the mirror to evaporate a resivour to cause a storm, and use lightining strikes to take down the power grid (again that worked, as storms on Courscant were extremely fierce lightning rods were everywhere, the only real damage was to power relays) that is where the plan hit a problem, there was a second backup power grid, a centeral relay station had to be killed, the concussion missiles on a headhunter were not up to the job but a TIE used as a guided missile was.
@@terryforsdyke306 yes that was the "plan" but it's BS. This is an EU novel, thus EU figures need to be used for power generation, shield strength, weapons, etc. By that logic it would take a few hundred thousand lightening strikes to bring down the weakest of shields, and probably a few hundred billion to overload a power grid. Yes, SW EU uses stupidly insane figures that have no basis in reality. So going by that logic, the surface of the planet would have had thousands of lightening strikes per square metre, if not more, that would quite literally cook the atmosphere itself, cause building materials to liquify and kill anything. Now take into account that the shield facility would really have been an armoured fortified structure, capable of withstanding turbolaser hits, you may need to scale the storm up even more. In truth the Lusankia's launch would have caused a fraction of the casualties this did. Even less if you think about it, the empire wouldn't have had it in an area with lots of civilians around, most industrial, as to lower the chance of anyone accidentally finding it.
You know in Empire at war you can actually liberate Corasaunt from the Empire, it’s kinda like the Star Wars version of the battle of Berlin, it’s the final battle
The X-wing series is some of the best Star Wars content you can read! I remember not being able to put the first four books down when I read them a long time ago. As usual, you've done an amazing job with the battle break-down!! :-)
I'd like to see something either on how you would have envisioned the future after Return of the Jedi . Or, what you would come up with for after The Rise of Skywalker.
Will you ever cover the Stargate franchise, its got some great ships. Speaking of which try Stargates Wraith Hive-ship vs an Executor Super Star Destroyer, and there has been a strong lack of starship vs lately.
Some good stargate battles that ecks would do a good job with: the battle of asuras (atlantis), the destruction of anubis's superweapon (which is almost, but not quite, a rip off of the trench run in episode 4, but is more of a tribute, as it does some original stuff as well including clever usage of previously shown technology from earlier episodes) (sg1), the sabotage and ultimate destruction of Apophis's earth bound ships(sg1), the "simultaneous destruction of the milkyway replicators, overthrowing of Baal by the free Jaffa, and neutralization of anubis" (sg1), the first battle for atlantis (atlantis), the attempted invasion of earth by anubis (the president actually has the spine to troll him while also firing his conniving and cowardly vice president) (sg1), the battles against the wraith super hive ship (series finale of Atlantis), and the simultaneous destruction of a wraith hive ship and ori mothership (sg 1). I think two, at most three of these were covered by spacedock, but ecks would do well with these I think, as some of them are similar in structure and theme to the rogue squadron battles, using absolutely creative (translation: crazy and bonkers, though making sense sort of) strategies and tactics. Oh, and I forgot the battle where sg1 deliberately blows up a sun to destroy a resurgent Apophis's armada, that would be a good one too. I probably missed a few that ecks would do a good job with, add to the list I created if you like.
SkyNet vs The Flood 229th Attempt Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and after that it is alerted of the Flood coming to Earth, and it is given a basic rundown on what the Flood is and what it does, it gets 3 Years to militarize and prepare for the Floods arrival, The Flood will arrive using High Charity's, including it's fleets, weapons, and so on, in Scenario 1a it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 1b it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 1c it gets 20 High Charities, The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet, SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information, If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 1c then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough each scenario could in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, which would make 35 High Charity's in total, and each wave would come a week after the wave before it was totally destroyed, giving SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering and using/reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own use,
Such a shame that episode 9’s original draft was basically this. Would’ve been another copied plot from Disney, but infinitely more interesting than Rise of Palpatine.
I gotta love The Battle of Coruscant. It's probably one of my most favorite Legends battles ever (especially for it having one of the most craziest moments in Legends history), and I really love the way you covered it here, Eck! I cannot wait to see more videos covering other battles! :)
Keep up the awesome work Ecks!! At 7:57 in the video you showed the rebel victory cinematic from the Star Wars Rebellion computer game, OMG I LOVE THAT GAME!!!! I haven’t seen a copy in almost a decade!!!
If I were to retcon anything about this story I would play up the efforts of local dissidents to sabotage or capture key elements of the orbital defenses and shield. The super storm would be mostly just used as cover rather than relying on its destructive power.
Very excited to see this. Love all the battles over and on Coruscant, really incredible o think that one planet went through so many wars and took so much of a bearing from the sacking of the Jedi temple to the Yuuzhan vong invasion.
Let's see...the Sacking of Coruscant during the Jedi/Sith Cold War, the Raid on Coruscant during the Clone Wars when Grievous kidnapped Palpatine, the Battle of Coruscant here when the New Republic took the world, the battle when the Yuuzhan Vong conquered it, the battle when the Galactic Alliance reclaimed the world, I want to say one when the Fel Empire conquered it from the Galactic Alliance, the one when the One Sith Empire betrayed the Fel Empire and took it over, the one when the One Sith fell....Coruscant has a proud history of getting its ass kicked.
no, Starkiller base did not blow up Coruscant, most of this video was a massive oversimplification of the last few chapters of the book Wedge's Gamble, the second part of the excelent X-Wing series, which I purchased and read as they were released, mostly in the mid to late 90s, so part of the no longer canon Extended Universe (now known as legends)
Damn Korn horn was bad ass he out ran lightning in a giant metal lightning rod essentially then managed to ram a tie interceptor into the shielding stuff which the only way i can think of that happening is if he purposely got one onto his tail aimed for the shield station then another rogue squadron pilot hit the engine area of the tie right before Korn pulled up to avoid the shielding station
I loved the X-Wing books so much. I remember I used to read them on road trips to visit family all the time. My Dad liked to buy me books before road trips so I wouldn't go literally fucking insane. I read this book when traveling to visit one of my uncles (Name of Patrick) and his wife and new kid. I was young. Maybe 13. It had just come out not long ago. What I most remember from that trip? My Uncle's vast back yard, his really cool cat who had eyes that were different colors and who liked me, and the book I read on the car ride.
Hey I recently got checked into the hospital after an accident at the theatre I worked at, I got severely cut on my hand and legs. I wouldn't beg for likes, just wanting to say, I got my stitches and I can return to working and watching Eck!
@@EckhartsLadder Seeing that made me smile, thank you for not only uploading videos on my favorite lore (star wars) but also interacting with the community, MTFBWY!
Much better than the canon "liberation of Coruscant". In canon, Coruscant doesn't even put up a fight. The unnamed Imperial commander in charge of the garrison basically just secedes the planet to the New Republic, even though it is likely the most well defended planet in the entire galaxy.
The X-Wing was a descendant of the Z-95. Incom took their wildly successful Z-95 design and upgraded it with the Strike Foils to give it the iconic x-shape. Fun fact for you, there was a Z-95 that had been heavily modified to include the X-Wing-style splitting S-foils and greatly resembled an X-Wing...even though she still was a Headhunter.
@EckhartsLadder, #AskEck you said the Lusankia escaping Coruscant is one of the craziest moments in Star Wars Legends. What do you consider to be THE craziest moment in legends?
General Aschen fought bravely in the streets of the Imperial Center. Even as the rebel scum felled his AT-AT, he took out his blaster pistol and with his remaining men along with the Emperor's Royal Guard fought bravely in a defiant last stand defending the Imperial Palace. Unfortunately by that point he wasn't able to turn the tide of the battle and the Rebels killed him and all who resisted. After taking the palace they murdered indiscriminately every beauocrat they could get their hands on.
The X-wing series of books is one of the reasons I think Disney screwed up by tossing out the Expanded Universe and creating their own story. That series alone could have led to a TV series or a stand-alone film series of multiple movies.
As cool as space battles sound: wouldn't these actually hinder space travel? Every body and derelict space hulk actually would be floating in space for decades at speeds that gently increased from the original speed that the object was traveling with at the time that a turbolaser killed the pilot. So I could see huge clouds of slow moving bodies( relative to other ships they're slow
