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How Sonny Forelli Betrayed Tommy Vercetti , What Happened In 1971- GTA Vice City Lore Explained 

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My lore video on Sonny Forelli and explaining what the Harwood Butcher incident was and why Sonny betrays Tommy, why he doesn't try to kill him when he gets out of prison and why he sends him to Vice City. Here is a link to the VCPD Bureau Of Investigation Website from ClassicGTASites and Eduazy's channel. I apologize for not linking the Sonny Forelli crime report website. Check out his channel and subscribe to him.
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@theprofessional155
@theprofessional155 2 года назад
Hi everyone. I wanted to link Eduazy's channel. He restored the old Vice City Bureau of Investigation board that had Sonny Forelli's file that was taken down by Rockstar years ago. I found that picture of his file online and I felt bad that I did not credit the original site. Here is the site and his youtube channel. The image was at 27:50 VCPD Bureau Of Investigation Website:classicgtasites.com/vicecity/ Eduazy Channel:ru-vid.comfeatured
@Tismdylan
@Tismdylan 2 года назад
How the hell is your comment All the way down here
@MaxerV19
@MaxerV19 2 года назад
@@Tismdylan he didn't pin it lel
@theprofessional155
@theprofessional155 2 года назад
@@MaxerV19 I did pin it. When I edited it it got unpinned. I repined it.
@emperortrevornorton3119
@emperortrevornorton3119 2 года назад
I still recommend anyone who enjoys Vice City to watch your stuff on Vice City because I looked into quite a bit of the info that you got spot on also rest in peace Tommy Vercetti
@cblast8439
@cblast8439 Год назад
Tommy being the oldest protagonist... I'm sure gta London was in the 60s, so maybe that dude? I have no memory of the game at this stage of my life
@elperrodelautumo7511
@elperrodelautumo7511 2 года назад
Tommy was loyal to the family. Sonny was very greedy and looked at Tommy as a tool. Truly a gta Vice City real lesson there: who is your real friends?
@jeffmenace91
@jeffmenace91 2 года назад
Love how the final mission name is "Keep Your Friends Close."
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
If there's a lesson that the GTA games can teach you, is that no matter how loyal you are to your friends, they'll always find a way to betray you, or make you look like you're the bad guy from their point of view
@JimmySpace69
@JimmySpace69 2 года назад
Ken rosenberg
@ewaewa1756
@ewaewa1756 2 года назад
Yeah he just told that
@furqantarique3484
@furqantarique3484 2 года назад
Yes Sonny Forelli getting killed was justified
@nounicorns1087
@nounicorns1087 2 года назад
This made me realize how hilariously stupid Lance is. Thinking Sonny would appreciate him and treat him better than Tommy XD. Tommy was the best boss you could wish for but Lance thinks he‘s being treated unfairly despite all his screwups. He reminds me of Matthew Bevilaqua who was also the biggest joke of the Sopranos.
@elperrodelautumo7511
@elperrodelautumo7511 2 года назад
True that.
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
He tought he was gonna be an associate for Forelli and help him run things in VC lol, Sonny would probably murder him afterwards to cut loose ends.
@prostreetfairladyz8402
@prostreetfairladyz8402 2 года назад
Lance > Playboy X (Trey Stewarts)
@Garindo
@Garindo 2 года назад
He also reminds me to Manny the best friend of Tony Montana in scarface. Yes Manny isn't a traitor like Lance but like Lance he's very incompetent in his job as underboss. Like Lance he's in charge of security but he doesn't do his job at all. It starts with this suspicious van that hang around at Tony's property and Manny didn't even think about checking them out like Lance didn't handle the problem with the protection money from the bar in vice point. Or he introduced Seydelbaum to the organization propably without to do any research about this guy what causes Tony a lot of legal problems. And as Tony went to New York to do a job for sosa he left Manny in charge of the organization but instead of doing his job he disappeared without telling anybody where he was to screw around with Tony's sister. And as Tony returned to Miami he found his organization in chaos, unfit for a war against sosa. Manny didn't had the intention to betray his boss, Tony would probably still alive if Manny did his job. He killed Tony with his incompetence like Lance killed his brother and also would have killed Tommy with his incompetence even if he hadn't the intention to betray him
@ChillConservative2k15
@ChillConservative2k15 2 года назад
@@Garindo No Tony got himself killed dude by being a coke addict
@MisterFischMemes
@MisterFischMemes 2 года назад
Always made my heart melt whenever Tommy told Earnest, "Don't you worry, pop, I'm not angry with you."
@gftyhify
@gftyhify 2 года назад
For a mob boss and a raging lunatic Tommy is very reasonable and understanding. I bet if Sonny had been the owner of the print works he would’ve been angry at Earnest and had him killed if Earnest wasn’t able to fend off rival mobsters.
@icywinx861
@icywinx861 Год назад
@@gftyhify Still I would trust CJ more but Tommy is pretty good boss too.
@gftyhify
@gftyhify Год назад
@@icywinx861 I also really like the fact that when Ken Rosenberg’s cocaine addiction got out of hand on the lead up to GTA San Andreas, Tommy again didn’t kill Ken, but instead paid for his rehab and then cut ties. Most other mob bosses would’ve killed Ken as his cocaine addiction coupled with his constant panicking could be a threat to the organisation
@icywinx861
@icywinx861 Год назад
@@gftyhify Yes but he never spoke to Ken again and that wasn't right. Anyway compared to other mafia boss. Tommy is an angel.
@gftyhify
@gftyhify Год назад
@@icywinx861 originally there was supposed to be scene in the GTA San Andreas Introduction where Ken talks to Tommy on the phone, but because of the falling out that Rockstar had with Ray Liotta they instead had Ken speaking to one of Tommy’s henchmen who refused to put Tommy on the phone
@ntrainr160
@ntrainr160 2 года назад
Tommy is one of the nicest boss one can ask for in GTA. He lets Lance get away for screwing up a lot and isn’t harsh when Lance complains or talks back. Tommy is like more of a coach to him. If Lance was working for someone like Sonny, Dimitri, Frank Tenpenny, Bulgarin, Haines, or Salvatore Leone he won’t last very long as those people won’t show mercy to him for messing up or even talking back.
@toledochristianmatthew9919
@toledochristianmatthew9919 2 года назад
I think vice city stories also show how ungrateful Lance was to Vic Like yeah Vic got himself into a lot of trouble and made a lot of enemies as he became a crime boss, but Lance was the catalyst that led his gang's downfall, the death of his girlfriend, and even his own death at the start of vice city. Lance was lucky to have had someone like Vic and Tommy yet he squandered it all.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Tenpenny would probably murder someone by carrying it out himself or sending someone else and then attempt to blackmail lance Vance.. makes me wonder how things would look like if lance Vance is working for big smoke or jizzy
@ntrainr160
@ntrainr160 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi Lance would be very incompetent and annoying that Tenpenny would get rid of him soon as possible. Tenpenny kept CJ alive because he was useful to him while Pulaski wanted CJ dead right away. CJ eventually found a way to beat Tenpenny.
@lakeside1168
@lakeside1168 2 года назад
He was spoiled by the generosity and didnt realize what game he was playing
2 года назад
Facts
@robtz759
@robtz759 2 года назад
Funny how the Forellis went from being the most powerful mob family in the city, to being a joke that borrows money from their rivals in just 15 years
@elperrodelautumo7511
@elperrodelautumo7511 2 года назад
Heck even had Tommy rose up the ranks faster. Even taking over Sonny’s position as the Don, im sure that he could’ve maintained the Forelli family for long. Heck he could’ve expanded into Vice City like he did in the GTA Vice City events.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@elperrodelautumo7511 and Tommy vercetti probably became a natural enemy to Toni cipriani
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi that would've been dope, but Tommy was more older than Toni so Toni would've win in a battle.
@bigbootyenjoyer
@bigbootyenjoyer 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi i dont see why they would be enemies
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@bigbootyenjoyer the likeliness of that happening is if tommy vercetti, as an underboss for the forelli never left liberty city for vice city until the events of GTA LCS
@elperrodelautumo7511
@elperrodelautumo7511 2 года назад
Truly your explanation lore on why Sonny betrayed Tommy makes sense.
@lukeaz12
@lukeaz12 2 года назад
GTA Vice city
@setro5582
@setro5582 2 года назад
Definitive sonny betrayed wreck it ralph
@alifnajmi1997
@alifnajmi1997 2 года назад
Note: Don't ever give your trust and money to the people like Sonny and Lance because people like them always waiting a right moment like a venomous snake to betray you and haunt you down
@borico62
@borico62 2 года назад
I don't think Sonny and Lance are the same. I want to hear Professional's take on Lance, but I feel that Lance has some kind of borderline personality disorder (frantic fear of abandonment, unstable and intense relationships, impulsiveness, substance abuse). I think Lance didn't betray Tommy out of greed (as someone like Sonny would do), but rather, because in his own mind, Tommy had already betrayed him.
@Frosty98206
@Frosty98206 2 года назад
Real Talk(100), Why got to Read ppl(Learn that Skill), You have to be careful who you bring in cause they person could sell you out like a Cheap Coat Whether be to Save their own Hide or just to Spite you.
@Norbert011
@Norbert011 2 года назад
@@borico62 lance is a sociopath.
@jerrysmooth24
@jerrysmooth24 2 года назад
snakes aren't poisonous they're venomous
@MaRgEd.ZamaSU
@MaRgEd.ZamaSU 2 года назад
@@borico62 i think sonny sent lence as his plan
@Eddy-my3zf
@Eddy-my3zf 2 года назад
I always look forward to these lore videos. They're insightful
@randywells8974
@randywells8974 2 года назад
Eddy: Kevin ha Neve thought they let him out Edd: he kept his head down help people forget Ed: what we going do Eddy? Eddy: we been talking about expanding are scams right? The candy store downtown new pure grade A jawbreaker. The kanker sisters, Sarah an jimmy, hell even rolth getting in on some pure surger. Edd: it all surger free Eddy none the kids will touch that stuff. Eddy: they won't need to know. We send him down there an before they realized we're rolling in it an Kevin will get blamed for it. Who are contact down there? Edd: Jonny 2x4. Strange kid how he going control Kevin lease. Eddy: we won't need him too we set him lose for the day than we go down an see how he doing. *School detention* Jonny: hay guys let go to the candy store. Shara an jimmy are there with the jawbreakers. Alley way by the candy store* Kevin: you got the stuff? Shara: you got the change? Kevin: quarters used. Shara: I think we got a deal. *Dumbster lid opens, canker sister emerge with paint ball guns. Kevin jumps on bmx pegs.* Kevin: pedal dork. Payphone booth* Eddy: Kevin! How it go? *Kevin sigh* Eddy I know a hour an fifteen minutes seems just like this morning Kevin: must be a perspective thing. Eddy: hay doing time no pice of cake but we look after each other. So we sitting on some sweet gold? Kevin: look Eddy the deal was ambush, ed an edd we're raped. Eddy: you better not be screwing with me leaving cus you know I'm not a man to be screwed with. Kevin: wait Eddy you have my word I'm going get the candy back an I'll mail you the lipstick stain of those responsible. Eddy: I know you will Kevin, I'll be in touch.
@lukeaz12
@lukeaz12 2 года назад
Sonny Forelli
@KingDevoneoGotBeats
@KingDevoneoGotBeats 2 года назад
Hell yeah 💯
@alexishart364
@alexishart364 2 года назад
Hi Eddy 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋
@daniik_5494
@daniik_5494 2 года назад
As they should be
@POPCATthe3rd
@POPCATthe3rd 2 года назад
I can say that sonny killed himself by trying to aimbush Tommy,and that cost him the whole forelli family to fall down
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
And sonny's other brothers Marco, Franco and Mike ended up getting killed by the other protagonists
@nounicorns1087
@nounicorns1087 2 года назад
The irony is that Tommy would have never betrayed Sonny. He could have been Sonny‘s biggest asset but Sonny was a greedy shitty insecure scumbag who cost himself big time. I think Sonny was definetly smart but his psychopathic instincts screwed him over.
@Dwiz1350
@Dwiz1350 2 года назад
Facts
@madcracker8077
@madcracker8077 2 года назад
straight up, that one bad decision made it so that hella Forelli's got killed, and the family weakened, then, the other brothers get killed by other protagonists. That one decision caused the whole family to fall.
@AP-ig5pi
@AP-ig5pi Год назад
@@99mrpogi CJ killed them right?
@iv9021
@iv9021 2 года назад
Sonny and Lance after they kill Tommy: Sonny: Well done Lance! Lance: Thank you Sonny! You've done a great favour for me! That guy was an asshole!! Sonny: (Laughs creepily) Yeah sure! Can i ask you something Lance? Lance: Yeah. Sonny: So, you betrayed Tommy because he was treating you bad and didn't give you a "fair slice"? Lance: Yes! That guy was a straight asshole! He treated me worse than shit! Sonny: But he still let you to live, right? Lance: Yeah... Why? Sonny: (Laughs creepily again) Lance, tell me now, do you honestly think that i'm gonna give YOU a part of MY empire? Lance: Yeah... I mean... You're a good guy, aren't you? Definetly better than that asshole! Sonny: You should've thought harder, Lance! (Sonny's goons appear and shoot Lance 15 times in the back, chop his body into pieces, and sell the pieces in the Bitch'n Dog's food factory) Sonny: Ferawell, PEST! Hehehe! Well at least the dogs wouldn't be hungry! This is how i imagine things would have gone if Sonny and Lance had killed Tommy.
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
Lol exactly, this is what I imagined too, like hell Sonny would make Lance an associate and give him a share of VC bussiness. Mafia hate traitors, one example is JD who was only alive while he was giving intel to the Leones, then killed straight away after he ran out of use. had Tommy died Lance would've probably been killed after he ran out of utility for the Forelli, which wasn't many so he would've been killed straight away lol (Also from past performance since he cut the deal with Forellis in the beggining of the game they already knew Lance was an idiot and a liability).
@COYBIG1967
@COYBIG1967 2 года назад
I want to say well written but then I also worry you were way too in depth with that 🤔🤣
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
@@COYBIG1967 yeah lol, I liked the Bitch 'n Dog's food reference tho
@iv9021
@iv9021 2 года назад
@@calangoraivoso9921 There are a lot of references here: 1. Yes sure the Bitch 'n Dog's food factory, which in GTA 3 is ran by Marty Chonks (a serial killer who kills people and turns them into a dog food), i thought it would have been better if in 1986 the Forelli's owned the place. 2. Second, the 15 bullets in the back, is a reference to Tommy's 15 years in prison, so with this Sonny probably would have wanted to tell Lance: "Just like i betrayed Tommy for 15 years, you're gonna also get 15 bullets in your body." 3. Third, Lance's body gets chopped into pieces, well i think you already know that this is a reference to Toni Cipriani (also a mobster) butchering Casa's body, and selling it to his own shop, but here Sonny sells it to the Bitch'n Dog's factory, well it would have been funnier if he sold the pieces to Donald Love (who in GTA Liberty City Stories is a cannibal). 4. Sonny's creepy laughs: Well every bad guy has a creepy and evil laugh, i think it would be perfect for Sonny to also have an evil laugh just like he can have a very intimidating angry voice (in his final Phone call to Tommy, where he said: "Where's the goddamned money, where's the goddamned stuff, and where's my cutt from your new action?").
@axllaw427
@axllaw427 2 года назад
Honestly, this would make a great bad ending for the game
@bacd-nn2lg
@bacd-nn2lg 2 года назад
Sonny Forelli : Obviously you are suffering from hearing problems, so I'll try again. Sonny Forelli : Where's the goddamn money? Where's the goddamn stuff? And where's my cut of your new action? Sonny Forelli : You are making an idiot out of me, Tommy, and I'm not laughing yet.
@UnicornPizza
@UnicornPizza 2 года назад
Lmfao, my favorite phone call of the game
@furqantarique3484
@furqantarique3484 2 года назад
I wish that was a dialogue
@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger
@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger 2 года назад
@@furqantarique3484 It is
@skizzo1881
@skizzo1881 Год назад
Tommy: No reaction.
@hundkebab2433
@hundkebab2433 Год назад
@@skizzo1881 no time for angry lards when you got pizza to deliver for that sweet health boost
@claiminghawk
@claiminghawk 2 года назад
The Harwood butcher incident should have been a prologue to Gta vice city but though it does add mystery to the incident similar to the black water heist in rdr2.
@phantom_xrd
@phantom_xrd 2 года назад
Considering we got a "Definitive" edition, this, as well as the Brian Johnson incident, should've been included imo.
@claiminghawk
@claiminghawk 2 года назад
@@phantom_xrd true
@DeadYorick
@DeadYorick 2 года назад
It most likely wasn't a prologue since the game was already ambitious as hell and adding part of GTA3's map into GTA Vice City probably wasn't in the cards. GTA Vice City originally started off as an expansion pack for GTA3 and was only made in about a year. By the time of GTA SA they had advanced their engine tech to add instanced areas like interiors and they could add part of Portland in for the one mission where you go back to Liberty City. But even with that they weren't able to complete the mission to the extent they wanted (They originally wanted you to be able to explore the entirety of Portland but they didn't finish it).
@claiminghawk
@claiminghawk 2 года назад
@@DeadYorick I didn't mean back then I meant the definitive edition of the game since they would have the hardware and software to do it.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
If vice city was made with GTA IV graphics, they could have included the Harwood butcher incident as its prologue mission..
@DB-bq6zc
@DB-bq6zc 2 года назад
Summary: Sonny was too afraid of The prodigy Tommy over succeeding him in gang influence/power that he tried holding Tommy back from his potential.
@furqantarique3484
@furqantarique3484 2 года назад
True true
@mu11erandr31
@mu11erandr31 2 года назад
34:50 Sonny was angry at Tommy for running errands for his relative Giorgio and not looking for the money. Giorgio got Ken to do that behind Sonny's back which angered Sonny hence the phone call. Also, Giorgio Forelli is the dark haired guy at Marco's Bistro in the first cutscene (see 24:20) who gives Ken's name to Sonny (at 24:38) (as he is Ken's client) and doesnt appear at the end in Keep Your Friends Close (unlike the blond guy who does appear with Sonny, at 38:57) because he is indebted to Tommy and Ken for helping him avoid prison. Giorgio and Sonny fell out because of Jury Fury. All evidence supports this.
@ricardotolbert1797
@ricardotolbert1797 2 года назад
Yeah I figured that since Giorgio was gone at the end. Question did Sonny Forelli and Ricardo Diaz set Tommy up? Or was it just Sonny and Diaz was collateral?
@mu11erandr31
@mu11erandr31 2 года назад
@@ricardotolbert1797 Sonny set Tommy up in 1971 that led to Tommy doing 15 years in prison. Tommy was never 100% sure of this though. So by the events of Vice City, Sonny just wanted to get Tommy out of the way and sent him to Vice City to be useful. Diaz set the drug deal up between Tommy/Harry/Lee and Lance/Victor. Remember, Forelli's contact in VC was Ken. Ken set up that deal with Colonel Cortez, whos right hand man Gonzalez would give info all his drug deals to Diaz (see Farewell to Arms cutscene from Vice City Stories). Diaz interfered on it by sending hitmen to the deal, including Leo Teal, the chef with the cellphone in Back Alley Brawl. Cortez has you kill Gonzalez in Treacherous Swine as he found out Gonzalez has a loose tongue. Diaz gets killed mainly because he kidnapped and tortured Lance, but by that point Tommy and Lance were certain it was Diaz who busted their deal and killed Victor, Harry and Lee so he was probably gonna get it anyway.
@ricardotolbert1797
@ricardotolbert1797 2 года назад
@@mu11erandr31 yeah appreciate I get he harwood butcher stuff…there’s a cutscene where Sonny makes the call to Tommy about the deal. We see a case with the coke and money on the table. Is that the same coke and money that was stolen at the deal bust???? (Sorry bro I was 3 when the game came out.)😂😂
@mu11erandr31
@mu11erandr31 2 года назад
@@ricardotolbert1797 man, I'm sure they didn't put the coke there on Sonny's table for no reason, but the story makes no sense if Sonny in Liberty City ended up with the coke from the deal in Vice City, and so quickly too. It would mean the whole story in Vice City makes no sense. So Diaz and Sonny were worked together to set up Tommy? Sonny knows nothing about Vice City apart from Ken, and that his cousin Giorgio goes there now and again. More plausibly (to me) Sonny sent a few 'Tommys' out to buy coke for him and the one in Liberty City was more successful.
@furqantarique3484
@furqantarique3484 2 года назад
Good
@Arch.nemesis007
@Arch.nemesis007 2 года назад
Made men in mob families are also not allowed to cut and run to start their own empire or retire as they please without permission from their boss. I’m sure tommy knew this and saw sonny coming a mile away partly for that reason.
@curtisjackson4090
@curtisjackson4090 2 года назад
_They took longer than I expected_
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Tommy could have deliberately started his own empire in an attempt to piss off and eventually have his revenge on sonny forelli
@gftyhify
@gftyhify 2 года назад
The can however start their own criminal empire or businesses while still working for the mafia that they were originally in. But they must give a cut to the boss. That’s why Sonny says in the phone a call ‘where’s my cut of your new action’
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@gftyhify and I'm guessing that if an active mafia member started his own criminal empire, then that mafia member's personal goons are members of his mafia as well.. kinda like how sonny forelli wanted tommy vercetti's goons to also be members of the forelli family.. in short, the goons under the authority of an active mafia member is also under the authority of the mafia boss itself
@gftyhify
@gftyhify 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi I’m not sure where Tommy’s goons would have stood if Sonny has successfully taken over his criminal empire. He might have given them the choice to either work for him or die. But given Sonny’s personality he might have them all clipped just in case they go after him and try and bring down the Forellis
@hewhobattles8869
@hewhobattles8869 2 года назад
Sonny and Lance in Vice City, Big Smoke in San Andreas, Salvatore in GTAIII, and Dimitri in GTAIV. One common theme. Betrayal.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Vincenzo cili in liberty city stories and Catalina in GTA 3
@Arun-ng8xn
@Arun-ng8xn 2 года назад
Even Ryder in San Andreas
@shaquilleoatmeal3076
@shaquilleoatmeal3076 Год назад
@@Arun-ng8xn but that is not supposed to be a traitor yeah well rockstar games do it
@cerobathetalllady
@cerobathetalllady Год назад
Literally every GTA games has betrayal, and it's like a moral, "don't trust everyone you know".
@waters228_91
@waters228_91 Год назад
​@@cerobathetallladyHell even outside of GTA, there's betrayal in almost any game with a story. Bully: Gary Smith The Godfather: Paulie and Monk The Godfather 2: Carmine Scarface: The World Is Yours: George Sheffield Tony Hawk's Underground: Eric Sparrow And the list just goes on.
@TheStarcoMarco
@TheStarcoMarco 2 года назад
If Tommy was born in 1951, then by 2022, he is already aged 71.
@Kaledrone
@Kaledrone 2 года назад
Michael was 21 during the events of Vice City and Trevor 19.
@TheChosenMoose01
@TheChosenMoose01 2 года назад
@@Kaledrone Wasn't Mike born in 1969?
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Tommy was in his mid 30s when vice city took place, and his 40s by the time GTA 3 takes place
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@Kaledrone yes. though GTA 4 and V are not in the same universe as vice city, vice city stories, San Andreas, liberty city stories and GTA 3
@TheStarcoMarco
@TheStarcoMarco 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi Yes you're correct. Aged 35 in 1986. However, in GTA 3, Aged 50 in 2001.
@Ron_BWL
@Ron_BWL 2 года назад
Regarding why Tommy didn't just give Sonny the money and the drug back after taking over Diaz's empire: He can't. Literally. Up until that point he's only doing hits that pays a few hundred bucks to a thousand at most, and Diaz only has $50.000 in his safe when Tommy killed him. So technically, he did all of the "business expanding" in order to earn that 3m to give back to Sonny, but of course Sonny's impatience worked in Tommy's favor.
@IkeFanBoy64
@IkeFanBoy64 Год назад
That's a good point.
@Earlybird86
@Earlybird86 2 года назад
I always got the impression that Tommy wasn’t ambushed by Hitmen, but was sent to take out a rival gang member but given bad intelligence or that Sonny just outright tipped them off
@sman14GTA
@sman14GTA 2 года назад
Always felt sorry for Tommy and always saw his rage as justified, all his "friends" screwed him over. Also had his potential limited by these so called friends. He takes over an entire city and its criminal underworld after 15 years incarceration? He always should have been a boss, and he knows it, if only he trusted the right people, and his own value.
@duplicitouscanadian3073
@duplicitouscanadian3073 Год назад
Sad thing of the world, the ones who aren't skilled enough get the power, then they bump off the ones who are skilled enough
@DeadYorick
@DeadYorick 2 года назад
Manslaughter isn't exactly "killing someone but you didn't plan on doing it". If you kill your wife but it was because you had an argument that's considered second degree murder. A planned out murder is first degree. The main difference between the two typically is that second degree murder doesn't allow for the death penalty and you usually get life in prison. Manslaughter is more "you murdered someone but it was accidental." Like if you hit someone with your car and they die instantly that's considered manslaughter not murder. Murders are often pleaded down to manslaughter in court when you can't prove self defense but you also have evidence the person was fully willing to engage with the conflict and kill. Prosecutors will often also go for manslaughter instead of murder because the burden of proof for manslaughter is typically much lower. It usually results in a lesser sentence closer to 5 years in prison but people often get paroled out in 2-3 years.
@georgesanchez3280
@georgesanchez3280 2 года назад
I think when sonny sended Tommy to hardwood Tommy thought that maybe it's a drug dealer like you said professional but considering that hardwood is leone territory I think sonny told Tommy that he's killing someone form the leones.
@theprofessional155
@theprofessional155 2 года назад
Well in 1998-2001 its Leone territory. You have to remember that the Forellis controlled Saint Marks at this time as well they almost ran all of Portland.
@georgesanchez3280
@georgesanchez3280 2 года назад
@@theprofessional155 ohh right I forgot also just imagine the saint's Marco bistro is very close to salvatore mansion this means that if sonny wanted he could've wipe out the Leones leader anytime he wanted this probably putted more fuel on salvatore paranoia.
@averymarshall-weeks8505
@averymarshall-weeks8505 2 года назад
@@georgesanchez3280 true
@NoName-ng2vd
@NoName-ng2vd 2 года назад
@@theprofessional155is there a video about 8-ball(gta |||)
@elmaster48
@elmaster48 2 года назад
I remember reading that according to a interview from one of the houses brothers, tommy and sunny were friends since they were children. So the fact that sunny ended up betraying tommy anyways says everything it must be said about him.
@Genrevideos
@Genrevideos 2 года назад
All the more reason why Vice City is a story about loyalty and friendship. Because if Tommy and Sonny were childhood friends and Sonny had no issues with throwing his childhood buddy under the bus like that, then it’s no wonder!
@dhwwiiexpert
@dhwwiiexpert 2 года назад
“Even trusted friends are capable of betrayal.” - James Bond to Defense Minister Dimitri Mishkin, _GoldenEye 007._
@justinportillo3996
@justinportillo3996 2 года назад
He showed the interview in the video?
@chickencurry420
@chickencurry420 2 года назад
The hardest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from the enemy
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@chickencurry420 lance vance is an example of a friend who betrays you no matter what you do in an effort to maintain his trust
@jmt0820
@jmt0820 2 года назад
Lance was going to die anyway. Cause if Sonny managed to kill Tommy and take over Vice City, he would have had Lance killed like Salvatore had JD O’Toole killed.
@TKnHappyNess
@TKnHappyNess 2 года назад
JD was a rat who screwed over the Sindaccos and could easily have also screwed over the Leones somewhere down the line
@jmt0820
@jmt0820 2 года назад
And Lance was a rat who tried to screw Tommy, but ended up being killed himself. But what if he won?? He was complaining about the way Tommy treated him, and turned on Tommy because of that. If Sonny thought about it a little, he would think Lance is a rat who screwed with Tommy and would do it to him if given the chance.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Yeah.. because of tradition, like lance has no Italian ancestry, or sonny forelli is thinking that lance may also betray sonny forelli if lance had the opportunity
@patrick_notpakky
@patrick_notpakky 2 года назад
You took 1 hour from me, Pro. And I’m gonna make you pay! Just kidding. An hour of informative and educational lore is worth to watch for an hour.
@dhwwiiexpert
@dhwwiiexpert 2 года назад
No, you’ll pay. (You’re a member, get it?)
@phantom_xrd
@phantom_xrd 2 года назад
That hour was his to spend :P
@curtisjackson4090
@curtisjackson4090 2 года назад
_Get em boys (ads), HE NEVER UNDERSTOOD A THANG_
@justinportillo3996
@justinportillo3996 2 года назад
You still don’t get it do ya? I OWN YOU NotPakky. That 1 hour was mine to spend.....
@kawimason361
@kawimason361 Месяц назад
😂🤣💀
@theguy318atyomom
@theguy318atyomom 2 года назад
The horse was 100% Ralph’s. Ralph got some tips from Tony on racing the horse and started to tip him. Then Tony being the boss felt entitled to the most of the winning and the horse. Ralph making no money now couldn’t pay the vets when the horse got sick and Tony wasn’t going to pay for it so Ralph cashed out and went for the insurance money. Tony completely broke the omertà over a horse that wasn’t his and regrets it because construction never recovered for them
@ChillConservative2k15
@ChillConservative2k15 2 года назад
The horse was just the final straw, Ralph was basically dead after the Tracy incident.
@ChillConservative2k15
@ChillConservative2k15 2 года назад
And no, since Tony is the boss the horse is his. Regardless Ralph was a deadman
@IliyanStoychev
@IliyanStoychev 2 года назад
@@ChillConservative2k15 no, man. by that same logic, everyone under the boss us suppossed to surrender everything to them, which is not how it works. the horse wasnt tony and he had no rights over it. ralph was right to kill it off, tony's greed had no satisfaction. not to mention that ralph did good by tony a few times after the tracy incident. also, yeah, the tracy incident was heinous, the disrespect towards the bing was pretty bad, but still, lets not forget that tony hit ralph also, which is strictly forbidden. ralph deserved temporary exile at most for killing tracy, if we judge by mafia rules, he killed an innocent civ, on their own turf. that is that. everything else that the writers got ralph to do like taking a plastic D behind was something to disgust the audience and except his unjust death easily. if we judge tony and ralph by who broke more rules regarding eachother and execute the one who broke more rules, then it would be tony, hands down.
@Buugzy
@Buugzy 2 года назад
Calogero to Sonny: “Is it better to be loved or feared?” Tony Soprano was based on Vincent “Vinny Ocean” Palermo of the Decavalcante Crime Family in New Jersey. Also when Ralph killed Tracy it’s still code of conduct to kill civilians, the same thing happened when the Bath Ave boys killed a civilian… Sonny being greedy and power hungry is also probably a reference to Nicodemo “Little Nicky” Scarfo of the Philly mob, he was the decline of the Philly Mob! He started whacking people out of envy and gluttony; he was even jealous of the Young Executioners Crew leader Salvie Testa because he was nicknamed “The Crowned Prince of the Philadelphia Mob” after Scarfo ordered Salvie killed and after he was killed the Philly Mob went downhill. It’s funny because Salvie Testa was a loyal Capo and hitman to the Philadelphia Crime Family, it jus goes to show that loyalty sometimes means nothing in Organized Crime.
@Frosty98206
@Frosty98206 2 года назад
Survival of the Fittest, Streets Love No One it's Double-Cross& Deception,(Mixed into a Recipe for Chaos) to Pull the wool over enemy eyes & Make them Believe you're their friend before Turning on them.
@mrmcboomboom
@mrmcboomboom 2 года назад
Nicky Scarfo was the best
@Buugzy
@Buugzy 2 года назад
@@mrmcboomboom Scarfo was an idiot like no other. It’s why his reign didn’t last long, nor did Gottis
@superpower21
@superpower21 Год назад
Anyone can survive not only the fittest my as crap lol
@Buugzy
@Buugzy Год назад
@@superpower21 amen
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
I always tought that Tommy, with his temper, ended up killing a made guy and either the Sindacos or the Sicilians cut out a deal with Sonny, Tommy's live in exchange of not waving an all out war.
@Aidel1011
@Aidel1011 2 года назад
Well, there are newspapers confirming that Tommy killed Danny Sindacco and John Sindacco who are among the eleven men
@calangoraivoso9921
@calangoraivoso9921 2 года назад
@@Aidel1011 For real? Then probably a war with the Sindacos with the aid of the Sicilians was bout to happen and Sonny cut a deal to avoid that, and either Paulie or Johnny Sindacco offered Sonny some of their goons and his other two brothers to go along just to make sure everything was just fine.
@Aidel1011
@Aidel1011 2 года назад
@@calangoraivoso9921 Yep, you catch on really quick. There is another video that perfectly explains this
@ATLfan
@ATLfan Год назад
RIP Ray Liotta (Tommy) and Tom Sizemore (Sonny). Their voice work made Vice City so awesome.
@arkadiusztrzesniewski4237
@arkadiusztrzesniewski4237 2 года назад
Almost one hour analysis video proves that Tommy Vercetti truly was one well-written character.
@lxFiercexl
@lxFiercexl 2 года назад
the amount of effort that goes into your videos is crazy keep your grind going great video
@ShortArmOfGod
@ShortArmOfGod 8 месяцев назад
And yet he said a soldier in the mafia is a made man.
@realmdma
@realmdma 2 года назад
Great video. Also, as for the length of Tommy’s sentence, it was common in the 70’s-90’s to only have to serve a 1/3 to 1/2 what you’re sentence was. So if Tommy served 15 years, his sentence could’ve been anywhere from 30-45 years.
@marcio2884
@marcio2884 9 месяцев назад
yeah, killing 11 man and getting "only" 15 years?
@MikeJr9284
@MikeJr9284 2 года назад
If your name is Sonny and you're in an open world crime drama game, chances are you aren't a good guy.
@nuelimmanuel_
@nuelimmanuel_ 2 года назад
Hope if bully 2 release, Hopkins and every boss clique went to vice city for college. It would be cool if Hopkins meet tommy's son and work together to eradicate bullying.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
Imagine a bully game with driving elements. Like Jim Hopkins takes on driving jobs like a delivery boy, taxi driver or the rockstar equivalent of Uber
@nuelimmanuel_
@nuelimmanuel_ 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi Actually in bully alpha version you can use debug mode & there's a feature which jimmy can drive cars, but sadly rockstar remove it in final version.
@99mrpogi
@99mrpogi 2 года назад
@@nuelimmanuel_ well jimmy is 15 years old so it probably made sense that he can't drive yet.. maybe if jimmy Hopkins is the protagonist and at least 18-20 in the sequel, the game may probably feature driving elements. Just hope that Rockstar won't make it too violent in which jimmy can't injure or kill people or even carry guns. The only violations that jimmy is likely to commit include vehicle theft or cutting classes
@raidisontje3573
@raidisontje3573 2 года назад
Bully 2 got canceled a couple months ago
@nuelimmanuel_
@nuelimmanuel_ 2 года назад
@@99mrpogi you're right, but it would be cool if jimmy could drive a car & also don't let Dr Crabblesnitch know about it
@treyn8070
@treyn8070 2 года назад
I can't believe I never noticed the guy on the meat hook in the background of the opening scene until this video. I played VC all the way through 3 different times minus the hidden packages and stunt jumps. I got some of them but I never got all of them but I never noticed the guy on the hook back there. Good video as always professional. You really layed it out well and made a lot of things make a lot more sense to me. Well done man. 👏👏👏👏👏👍
@mjkiller020
@mjkiller020 2 года назад
Pretty sure it's a manhunt guy. Like same outfit and everything
@UnicornPizza
@UnicornPizza 2 года назад
@@mjkiller020 yeah, maybe…
@agentcak
@agentcak 2 года назад
I've been currently playing GTA Vice City (OG PS2) and after watching your playthrough of the "Devintive Edtion" it really makes me think more of the lore. It makes me fell more of Tommy's anger when you get to the mission "Cap The Collector" When Sonny at the end of the game says "Those `15 years where mine to spend!" That gets me P.O.'d, makes Tommy feel like a freaking slave. Great lore video Pro makes me care about Tommy Vercetti even more, even though he's a convicted psychotic killer and drug dealer.
@G4ME_H4CK
@G4ME_H4CK 2 года назад
0:44 GTA London characters are actually the oldest but yeah Tommy is the oldest from the 3D universe
@thatthinginyoureye
@thatthinginyoureye 7 месяцев назад
Oh god I never thought about that. Insane to realize the GTA London protagonists were born anywhere between the 1920s-40s
@SupportGamin2024
@SupportGamin2024 2 года назад
It's good that Tommy vercetti finally got his revenge against sonny.
@gaugemogle0779
@gaugemogle0779 2 года назад
And it had the line"No I just wanted to piss you off before I kill you"
@Zygothdarkknight
@Zygothdarkknight 2 года назад
Yeah
@Zygothdarkknight
@Zygothdarkknight 2 года назад
@@gaugemogle0779 That is a badass line
@gaugemogle0779
@gaugemogle0779 2 года назад
@@Zygothdarkknight Agreed
@wusgoodie7498
@wusgoodie7498 2 года назад
Proffesional, I absolutely enjoy the lore videos!
@AUG_Glow
@AUG_Glow 2 года назад
Anyday pro makes a lore video is a good day
@brunopinto6830
@brunopinto6830 2 года назад
Fun fact: Ray Liotta is the voice character of Tommy Vercetti
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 2 года назад
Ray Liotta also appeared as himself owning the honey company in _The Bee Movie._ (I ain't kidding)
@zishan5067
@zishan5067 2 года назад
Ray Liotta just died today..
@furqantarique3484
@furqantarique3484 2 года назад
Ray passed away may 2022
@BonoboBerry
@BonoboBerry Год назад
Thank you so much for going through all this stuff and helping us piece everything together. I never really understood the story to all this depth.
@christianlarson2933
@christianlarson2933 2 года назад
To be honest Pro, you put infinitely more thought into stuff like this than Rockstar ever did.
@ShortArmOfGod
@ShortArmOfGod 8 месяцев назад
And yet he thinks a soldier in the mafia is a made man.
@SoundWave3214
@SoundWave3214 2 года назад
Vice City was my first GTA on PS2, looking forward to this lore video :D Playing it at age 12-13 so probably not paying attention to the story itself that much, it's always nice to get lore to understand things.
@crash4267
@crash4267 2 года назад
What about GTA 3?
@oraclejmt
@oraclejmt 2 года назад
@@crash4267 What about it? It has always been irrelevant to the series.
@crash4267
@crash4267 2 года назад
@@oraclejmt no it's not lol
@oraclejmt
@oraclejmt 2 года назад
@@crash4267 Yes it is. GTA 3 sucked when it came out in 2001. And still sucks.
@crash4267
@crash4267 2 года назад
@@oraclejmt No it didn't lol. That is your opinion
@Rad-Dude63andathird
@Rad-Dude63andathird Год назад
Me: "Why does this dude keep putting out videos that are so long?" TheProfessional: *digs around every nook and cranny, even outside the games for this intel, including things that helped inspire this series, as well as even citing his sources* Me: "Well shit, subscribed."
@elmojon19
@elmojon19 2 года назад
I would go further and say Sonny and Diaz were business partners. Here is my take on the real reason why Diaz set that meeting Tommy had with Vic up. You see Sonny as you know wanted to get into the drug business and here knows Vice City is a hub for the drug trade. Tommy is sent down there for that purpose but what if Sonny was already doing business with a drug baron like Diaz in the first place. Vic Vance was basically a rival Drug Lord of Diaz just like the Mendez brothers. Who already had history against the Forellis when he interfered in their murder plot against Phil Collins. Sonny already tried to kill Tommy once why not again by taking two birds with one stone. Only Sonny must not have told Diaz what Tommy looks like to prioritize his death in the hit since the assassins killed everyone but him. Sonny perhaps just tipped Diaz off someone important was meeting Vic and Diaz paranoid took the bait. This means Sonny wanted Tommy to die that day but he didn’t so pretended the whole time that just wanted his money back. Think about it how odd Sonny takes so long coming down to get the money owed from Tommy. In my eyes he was hoping Tommy would get so desperate he would make mistakes and get himself killed by the number of people he ended up making enemies like Diaz. I notice Sonny only really makes a move to finally come down and confront Tommy about the money when Diaz dies. He even references him when Tommy takes over his mansion. At first I thought Sonny was pissed that Tommy made name for himself doing that but then I remember. Diaz took the money of course that Tommy was going to give to Vic in exchange for cocaine. What if Diaz never had the chance to meet and give Sonny’s money back? After all not long after the meet Tommy comes in contact with Diaz through his connections Cortez. His dealings with Tommy derailed his dealings with Sonny. With his death later Sonny had to do something to get his money back and kill Tommy once and for all. Queue the ending of Vice City. P.S. This means Lance is really an idiot since he betrayed Tommy to work for the guy who orchestrated his brother’s death and was working with the man who put out the hit.
@Jpg01
@Jpg01 2 года назад
You actually should do a video on sopranos. I love your lore videos. You’re very knowledgeable and great at explaining things
@luismayautemalaga1508
@luismayautemalaga1508 2 года назад
i always thought that Sonny was also responsible in part of the ambush in the begining of the game. i always had the idea that Ricardo Diaz and Sonny had planned the ambush (don't know for sure what could Diaz gain from that, maybe Diaz take the cash and Sonny the drugs? or maybe forming like a partnership so Diaz can make more deals outside of the city?). when Sonny says "if it was anybody else you would be dead already" and "i'm gonna let you handle it", kinda gave the idea that he knew that Tommy would survive the ambush (probably even as part of the plan), kill diaz, take over his bussiness and. That way Sonny doesn´t really "lose" the deal, make Tommy feel responsible for the deal so he can make contacts and gain power in the effort of getting to the "responsible", and finally having an excuse to kill Tommy and at the same time get the empire Tommy was controlling.
@lefty3985
@lefty3985 2 года назад
Could be.. if you look on the table when Sonny first calls Tommy after Tommy gets robbed there’s bags of cocaine on the table right at the front I think that’s the coke from the botched deal..
@borico62
@borico62 2 года назад
@@lefty3985 Tommy supposedly calls Sonny right after the botched deal. There just isn't enough time for the coke to be sent from Vice City to Liberty City. What's been, a few hours at most?
@lefty3985
@lefty3985 2 года назад
@@borico62 good point he calls him when he gets back to the hotel doesn’t he
@luismayautemalaga1508
@luismayautemalaga1508 2 года назад
@@borico62 well if you see the game hour by the time you start playing the clock says it´s 21:15 (aprox). Assuming the deal ambush was at 21:00, and it usually takes like 1 min (1 in game hour to get to the club) Tommy probably entered the hotel at 22. However after the cutscene when tommy exits it was 08:00 (morning) meaning that tommy spends the night there, so it kinda depends if Tommy called Sonny right after he entered his room or before leaving the hotel (still don't know how much time it could take moving the cargo From Vice to Liberty)
@leper73
@leper73 2 года назад
I just thought of something: maybe Sonny planned to have his other guys, Harry and Lee, kill Tommy after the deal and once they get the coke (like in Goodfellas when Henry was being set up for a proposed deal in Florida). I was initially speculating as to whether those guys were also being set up in this scenario or if they were just collateral damage. Then I thought of another possibility: His two loyal members would have the drugs and could operate directly under Sonny. The deal itself went bad because of Gonzalez. It was established in VCS that he was working with Diaz behind Cortez’ back, and was most likely the one who tipped Diaz off about this deal. Before Harry and Lee can get the drugs and kill Tommy, Diaz’ men, acting on the tip from Gonzalez, ambush the deal, kill Sonny’s goons, and inadvertently save Tommy, who exacts his revenge.
@justsomeguy747
@justsomeguy747 2 года назад
This was a very good lore video. I think that what sets the line between Tommy and Sonny is that Tommy totally honors the Omerta, and that Tommy isn't as power hungry as Sonny, nor is he manipulative, he just strong arms people sometimes, but he doesn't lie or decieve. Tommy's problem was that he was short sighted, and eventually Earnest himself confirms that. Despite my misgivings on Tommy's character, such as his arrogance and power-dominating personality, he is a far better boss or friend than Sonny. I think that Lance was Tommy's friend, but eventually he lost his mind, and as a result of that became disillusioned with Tommy. Also I think the Forellis figured that Sonny's involvement in the Harwood massacre caused his death, and they probably knew of his part all along, especially his brothers, and very likely Marco, who was his underboss. But out of fear, or because of the fact that they are bound by blood and the Omerta, they never questioned him. Its like you said, if a boss has commited a questionable act, his men would chaiste him for it. and in Sonny's case, his vioalation of the Omerta and betraying Tommy once again by manpulating Lance as well, caused the Forellis' inaction and decline after his death - his legacy was totally tarnished because he broke the Omerta. Sonny is much more complex as an antagonist than initally precieved, but ya have to wonder whether Tommy felt a certain amount of guilt for their ruined friendship and his killing of Sonny.
@justsomeguy4206
@justsomeguy4206 Год назад
You make some good points there
@DoctrineOfMayhem
@DoctrineOfMayhem 4 месяца назад
You put so much time into making sense of this, Rockstar should hire you to create stories for some sequels.
@UnicornPizza
@UnicornPizza 2 года назад
50:19 - you make a very good point that if Lance had spoken to Sonny in that way, he would probably be dead within days, or even the same evening. I've never liked Lance Vance and I think it was from that phone call with Tommy that he decided to join forces with Sonny, or maybe he had already done so for a short time, in my opinion it's either one or the other. By the way, when you played that part, I didn't like the fact that you didn't say anything about that phone call and how Lance dared to talk to Tommy - I don't know how Tommy kept his cool and continued to treat Lance with respect, when Lance didn’t do that at all. He even went so far as to tell him that he could call him out for certain behaviours when he was acting badly - a Mafia boss never did and would never do that! That shows how much Tommy, despite being a criminal, has values and moral principles! And I totally agree that we really don't know what Lance wanted from Sonny when he decided to go into business with him to betray Tommy : if Sonny had killed Tommy during their confrontation at the end of the game, he would have immediately done the same with Lance - it's very silly to think that Sonny would have teamed up with Lance, that he would have shared his business with Lance lol. Sonny just used him, in my opinion, to get to and confront Tommy. Lance is so stupid and obnoxious, I hate him so much. I look forward to your other lore videos, Pro! I hope you haven't forgotten the ones on GTA 4 and GTA 3! Keep up the good work!
@sunlight2104
@sunlight2104 2 года назад
I would love to see him playing a underated game called Beatdown: fists of revenge or least talking, every game looks so much cooler when he talks about the lore
@emperortrevornorton3119
@emperortrevornorton3119 Год назад
Tommy's reason for the stay in prison sounds like 1960's mafia story I heard about my one friend's dead grandfather especially if you remember that he had the gun nicknamed The Chicago Typewriter and that number kinda makes since difference between the stories he died in prison didn't get out
@retroroy8720
@retroroy8720 5 месяцев назад
I think Sonny Forelli had the whole thing planned out perfectly. He probably secretly cut a deal with Diaz to where if the deal went down as intended, Forelli would be in a very strong position but if Diaz sabotaged the deal, Forelli would presumably be rid of Tommy and still gotten a cut of the action. Note when Tommy calls Sonny after getting back from the deal, Sonny has a lot of money and coke on the table already. He kept the pressure on Tommy because he got greedy, wanting to get more power in Vice City and still get rid of Tommy, and that ultimately backfired on him.
@douglassfunnie9959
@douglassfunnie9959 2 года назад
Tommy Vercetti? Shit, I didn't think they'd ever let him out!
@mannam9468
@mannam9468 2 года назад
He kept his head down, helped people forget.
@anancapcat4221
@anancapcat4221 Год назад
@@mannam9468 Well people will remember soon enough.
@idolsrule4678
@idolsrule4678 2 года назад
The irony is that if Sonny wasn’t such a power hungry “wise guy”. Tommy Vercetti would’ve been the perfect man for the “southern expansion” of the Forelli family. In the end the Forellis lost everything due to an incompetent leader. I think Forellis are still around by GTA IV but only as the shell it once was.
@josephstalin2606
@josephstalin2606 2 года назад
They were actually just replaced by the “new” families like the Pegorinos and Ancelottis. The forellis are non existent in the hd universe
@justinportillo3996
@justinportillo3996 2 года назад
The HD and 3D GTA are in completely different universes
@toledochristianmatthew9919
@toledochristianmatthew9919 2 года назад
i think you mean gta 3. gta 4 is set in a new universe so everything in the first 3 mainline games and its spin offs are non canon to the new one. gta 3 is the end of the original timeline.
@kalapani666
@kalapani666 2 года назад
While I agree with the second factor, I think a more probable thing of why tommy would work with sonny is because as just one man, he cannot possibly take out his empire. For this, he needs money and strength. Although the omerta exists, Sonny did technically break it too, tommy also would have had ample time to understand the entirety of the situation in prison. I think he would want to gain the money that sonny was giving him in the first cutscene. He would be better off with some time on his hands, to plan and strategize and get away from the situation. Which he gets in Vice city, the deal going down 'was an unfortunate set of circumstances' but it helped tommy to complete the picture. Hence, he could then stall Sonny enough to build reputation and power until he could 'piss him off before he killed him'
@nepu1764
@nepu1764 8 месяцев назад
The voice actor who voice as Sonny Forelli in gta has died last year.
@dennisjohnson1937
@dennisjohnson1937 2 года назад
You really do put a lot of work into these lore videos. I really enjoy them, and I can't wait to see more.
@Kaledrone
@Kaledrone 2 года назад
0:44 If you mean oldest by chronological date of birth then all the protagonists from Gta London are definitely older than Tommy, but if you are not counting the 2D games then yeah, Tommy is the oldest by chronological date of birth. But as far as playable oldest character goes, that's Michael. He was 48 when we played as him in 2013.
@imbored2006
@imbored2006 Год назад
Micheal could be 45 or 48
@Kaledrone
@Kaledrone Год назад
His original grave puts his DOB at 1965, so the way I see it is that the real Michael Townley is 48, but his fake De Santa personality is 45. Which would make the real mike 48.
@Muramasa1794
@Muramasa1794 2 года назад
Just crazy to think about how the Forelli family was one of the strongest in the 70s and 80s to one of the weakest by the time GTA III came around
@leper73
@leper73 2 года назад
So many of them got killed in short order: Vice City (1984): Sonny killed by Tommy. San Andreas (1992): Marco killed by CJ. Liberty City Stories (1998): Franco killed in Fort Staunton bombing. GTA 3 (2001): Mike killed by Claude; unnamed member in trunk killed by Joey. It’s entirely possible that Georgio was killed in the Marco’s shooting or the Fort Staunton bombing as well.
@Muramasa1794
@Muramasa1794 2 года назад
@@leper73 yeah it has been unclear on Georgios fate.
@anancapcat4221
@anancapcat4221 Год назад
@@leper73 Vice City takes place in 1986, Vice City Stories takes place in 1984.
@AlexisStreams
@AlexisStreams 2 года назад
the oldest character in GTA Would be Jon Gravelli (1923) Uncle Leone (1926) Salvatore Leone & Avery Carrington (1935) in terms of protagonist yea i think you're right Tommy Vercetti (1951) is the oldest GTA Protagonist 2 years older than Milica Bellic (1953) Jimmy pegorino (1957)
@timeasperneac4697
@timeasperneac4697 2 года назад
Also Professional I just wanted to mention this but Maria wasent part of the fact that Salvatore Being Paranoid because in the mission Chaperone Salvatore saw that Maria did actually like Claude so I don't think that Maria was part of Salvatores being Paranoid the only thing that made Salvatore Paranoid was the Triads and CJ
@ElPayasoMalo
@ElPayasoMalo 8 месяцев назад
When Sonny says "They'll remember soon enough when they see him walking the street," I interpret that as Tommy has a well-known reputation as a murderer in the area, and it would cause the locals to panic to see him walking free.
@flamingeel3196
@flamingeel3196 2 года назад
moral lesson of GTA VC is the final mission title "keep your friends close and enemies closer"
@LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04
@LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04 2 года назад
Best lore video. The more I looked up at lore videos the more I understand about characters back story and what they do and how the plot of stories happened for a reason. Loving what you doing Professional. Keep it up. 😁
@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd
@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd 2 года назад
I've said this before, and I'll say it again, I doubt Tommy was just a soldier if Sonny was really worried about Tommy getting too powerful and potentially taking over. He'd probably at least be a capo.
@augustv3ryown446
@augustv3ryown446 8 месяцев назад
Tommy getting in Sonny's face and telling him "I just wanted to piss you off before I kill you" is one of the coldest lines in GTA history imo
@sanastinlevi3468
@sanastinlevi3468 2 года назад
Sonny being hungry for power is that same attitude what made the Forellis the most powerful family within Liberty City. The other members of the Forelli family probably did not have that attitude and which made them less powerful.
@wandering_guy
@wandering_guy 9 месяцев назад
If R* gives us a glimpse of Tommy in GTA 6 it would be insane.
@DeadYorick
@DeadYorick 2 года назад
GTA SA the Introduction being missing from the Definitive edition makes sense since it was released after the vanilla game and contains some retcons for some plot holes in GTA SA's story. Like it explains why Ryder chooses to betray Grove Street. It's widely believed that the reason why he does in GTA SA is either due to development constraints or the voice actor leaving (however the VA has disputed this upon being asked, he stated they didn't ask him to do any more voice acting). The Introduction was also not an in-engine cutscene like all of GTA SA's were, it was just a pre-rendered video. And it's presumed Rockstar never kept the development files for it. So it would've been impossible to update its graphics unless they remade it from scratch. And it's largely unnecessary since it mostly just adds context behind some of the characters like why Ken Rosenberg is in San Andreas to begin with or why CJ's mom is killed by the Green Sabre.
@theinceptor3672
@theinceptor3672 2 года назад
The reason why there was an intro even made was becuz Ryder wasn't meant to be a betrayer... He's meant to be a *Ken Rosenberg* in GTA San Andreas.... You can watch many videos explaining this topic and tbh I kinda wished it didn't went the way it did..
@DeadYorick
@DeadYorick 2 года назад
@@theinceptor3672 I honestly think the Ryder betrayal was intended just the development of the game was somewhat rushed towards the end and they didn't have time to add stuff in for it. Especially since Ryder's VA said they didn't ask him to do any further voice acting and he willingly came back for The Introduction. (Unlike Ray Liotta who refused and demanded Rockstar pay him more money).
@LEEC55555
@LEEC55555 2 года назад
Great video as always! Imagine if they made a GTA Vice City where you see what happens in between the missions where Tommy has to earn Rivardo Fiaz’s gang trust
@hmongghoststoriesinthedark
@hmongghoststoriesinthedark 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for the video your only one that fully explained this story in depth.
@mukeshkumar-ey1ge
@mukeshkumar-ey1ge 2 года назад
Would've been MASSIVELY INTERESTING if Sonny never tried to betray Tommy, and at one point in the future Claude joins the Leone's. Since Joey was getting the forellis killed (what was left of them) it would've started a war. Who knows we would've got an epic "Harwood butcher" vs "Silent cold unstoppable killer" . Boy, that'd be legendary
@kobesystemyourwelcome8817
@kobesystemyourwelcome8817 2 года назад
For real Claude didn't Care who he killed as Long as u was paying him
@migueldenorte
@migueldenorte Месяц назад
I want to say one thing about Vice City. Many years ago, when I tried playing Vice City the first time, I thought that it was a kind of a generic mafia game. Since I barely knew any English back then, I had to assume what happened during the cutscenes. So, when I saw the first cutscenes about Tommy's drug deal getting failed by the unexpected ambush and then the phone call between Tommy and Sonny Forelli, I thought that Sonny organized both the drug deal AND the ambush (because I saw the drug packets on Sonny's table and I simply imagined the rest), as if Sonny, pretending to be surprised and angry about the ambush, wanted to extort Tommy more profit. I know what actually happens in the entire story nowadays, but back then I did not really know how the mafia works and the full context of each event in the game.
@GINeric_
@GINeric_ 2 года назад
Thanks for another great breakdown. Vice city was my favorite ps2 GTA (besides San Andreas). Being from the West Coast, there's something special about the Mafia + Miami imo
@yasirkusay1195
@yasirkusay1195 2 года назад
Something that should also be pointed out is that Sonny never met Tommy in person immediately after his release (the phone conversation proves this), further proving your points. Great video, looking forward to the next lore vids.
@G-MoneyBags
@G-MoneyBags 2 года назад
If Tommy called Sonny after overthrowing Diaz, Sonny would probably try to kill him.
@saadabdullah3225
@saadabdullah3225 2 года назад
My favourite lore video as of yet. Really excited for the character analysis on Claude that's coming up.
@mfrarsenal
@mfrarsenal 2 года назад
Absolutely love your lore videos.😍❤️
@kennycai8695
@kennycai8695 8 месяцев назад
I am not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but there is a brief "blink and you will miss" moment in the cutscene "An Old Friend", the one where Sonny blows up at Tommy over the botched deal. Pay attention to Sonny's desk as the cutscene begins, as you can see an open suitcase, as well as bags of drugs and wads of cash on said desk. The cash and drugs may have been the same ones involved in the ambush where Vic Vance and two of the Forelli made men were rubbed out, and the reason Sonny has the items is cause HE was behind the ambush, not Diaz as originally suspected. Remember, even though the Colonel and Lance believed Diaz was responsible, there was no outright confirmation within the game itself. As for why Sonny blew up at Tommy over the botched deal (when he already had the cash and drugs with him), you have to remember that Sonny is not only greedy, but also a schemer. Whether Tommy survives the ambush or not, he benefits. If Tommy is dead, Sonny is rid of a rival. However, if Tommy survives, Sonny can use it as a reason to manipulate the loyal Tommy into recovering his goods (which again, he had them on his freaking desk), set the Forelli businesses up down South, and then rub Tommy out once the job is complete. What Sonny did not count on was Tommy smartening up to Sonny's schemes (and subsequent betrayal), and Sonny paid the ultimate price as a result.
@NotoriousJohnsonBig
@NotoriousJohnsonBig 2 года назад
I really love your lore videos they're very interesting
@justsomeguy4206
@justsomeguy4206 Год назад
CJ? Awww my dog!! Wassup?!
@franzbernardmercado4459
@franzbernardmercado4459 2 года назад
Been waiting for this, Pro. Thank you!
@XvlerLorenzo
@XvlerLorenzo 2 года назад
I always thought GTA 6 could be set in 1971 Liberty City so we can get more insight into the events that led to Vice City
@hashem6356
@hashem6356 2 года назад
Nah probably will happen during modern times so they can put the oppressor mark 3 in GTA Online 2.0
@TheSkyrimps3
@TheSkyrimps3 2 года назад
It wouldn’t…. It’s in a different universe with a different timeline
@XvlerLorenzo
@XvlerLorenzo 2 года назад
@@hashem6356 now that I think of it, yeah that would be true
@amazoncrime8415
@amazoncrime8415 2 месяца назад
I used to love that line that sonny said "THAT WAS MY MONEY TOMMY MY MONEY" 😂😂
@Mckidproman7
@Mckidproman7 2 года назад
loved this lore video Tommy was Loyal and a good friend while sonny was a bad friend greedy u name it got what he deseved like the lesson here to who your reals friends
@WetNuudle
@WetNuudle 2 года назад
Yes!! Never played the 3D games so these lore videos help me understand the 3D universe fully. At least until I find a way to play the original games. At first I was interested in the "Defective Edition" but we all know how that release went.
@DocVolteer
@DocVolteer 2 года назад
Well I do suggest to get a Emulator or navigated the seven sea for the PC port
@lordeddy05
@lordeddy05 2 года назад
Defective edition is actually good now
@alessandrodeangelis9029
@alessandrodeangelis9029 2 года назад
The one you don't want to play from the "Defective edition" is Gta San Andreas because it's still full of bugs or things not done properly. III & Vice City are still good, there are just a few things to fix but nothing too bad. Try those two because San Andreas is just like Cyberpunk 2077 right now.
@sylviatheeevee879
@sylviatheeevee879 2 года назад
@@lordeddy05 But its still defective
@DocVolteer
@DocVolteer 2 года назад
@@lordeddy05 Still look horrid mods do better job then that
@Skully399-z6e
@Skully399-z6e Год назад
The Cubans are also helping Tommy in the Print Works You can see one Cuban gangster in Cap The Collector
@jugertmucoimaj9017
@jugertmucoimaj9017 Год назад
This was beautiful. If GTA Games are done with the right graphics and proper stories they are a banger. When you go this deep on story you realize how beautiful it is.
@Nonhumansam
@Nonhumansam 2 года назад
Fun fact: Tommy is the 2nd oldest protagonist in the gta franchise, 1st place goes to Victor Vance from Vice City Stories
@arshkhanlm3086
@arshkhanlm3086 8 месяцев назад
In Other GTA Games: Antagonists or Best Friends betray Protagonists In GTA 5: Protagonist lies to another Protagonist, another Protagonist tries to take revenge, later forgives him Then another another Protagonist can choose to betray another Protagonist with the help of the Protagonist
@TheStardustConspiracy
@TheStardustConspiracy 2 года назад
Such a great video!! Love the lore videos keep it up!
@Embrod
@Embrod 2 года назад
I like those in-depth videos, about what's going behind the scenes propably. Especially when you add some trivia, from TV series, films, other games.
@some_Russian_dude
@some_Russian_dude 2 года назад
I never noticed in the scene at 10:58 there is a human corpse in the meat locker behind sonny.
@NativeSunGod
@NativeSunGod 6 месяцев назад
Fear last longer than love, i remember when sonny from bronx tale says that when he gets asked if he'd rather be feared or loved ahaha
@MrHorrorking13
@MrHorrorking13 4 месяца назад
I believe Tommy had enough of Sonny and the Family before the events of the game. When Tommy went away for fifteen years, he must have heard from other mafia criminals in prison that the hit was was orchestrated by Sonny and he knew who was going to be there. Tommy would eventually learn that Sonny wanted him dead because he was jealous of Tommy's growing influence in the Family. Yet, Sonny couldn't directly kill Tommy because that will be against the Mafia code. Once Tommy became a powerful player in Vice City, who became more powerful than any Mafia organization or gang. He didn't have to answer to Sonny or his former family.
@MasonPayneJericho
@MasonPayneJericho 2 года назад
Hey, Professional! Have you heard about a mod called Forelli Redemption? It's a mod for GTA 3 and it was released in last year October. You play as Giovanni Forelli, Sonny Forelli's fictive/non-canon son and the story runs in parallel with GTA 3's storyline. Basically, at the beggining, we'll see how the Forelli's struggle and how they making desparate deals with other gangs, but after Claude kills Salvatore, Giovanni grabs this opportunity and starts to rebuild the family (by wiping out the Leones and other gangs of course...). Personally, it was a fun mod to play, but I don't think that by the time of GTA 3, the Forelli's would have any chance for a recovery, so for me, this mod has no legitimacy. I also didn't like how the mod treated characters like Claude and King Courtney. What do you think? Will you give the mod a shot?
@mikeanthony5188
@mikeanthony5188 2 года назад
I’ve always thought that Sonny was the one who robbed the drug deal so he can get both the money and drugs that you see him sitting with after the bad deal while on the phone with Tommy... Idk but I’ve always thought he robbed the deal and thought he could still shake down Tommy for more money while in Vice, and making a nice come up after robbing the deal. Great video tho man! Always good shit bro
@kobesystemyourwelcome8817
@kobesystemyourwelcome8817 2 года назад
Naw bro Diaz got the tip from Gonzalez and he sent the ambush
@BigDaddy-vk6rv
@BigDaddy-vk6rv 2 года назад
Every lore video is a treat!
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