Or perhaps there are multiple parts of the soul like in Egyptian mythology, the life-essence (ka) follows the soul movie path, while the family lineage aspect (ba) follows the Coco movie path, the human soul can fracture having different paths
I don’t remember the exact quote but in Soul, Joe asks something like “what is the place” or like “is this the after life” and one of the Jerrys answers with something like “we created something your mind could understand” which I thought was a good enough reason to prove that CoCo and Soul were the same afterlife but because of Joe and Miguel having vastly different beliefs their perceptions of what death looks like are very different.
@Kripton Hunter But Jerrys are actually manifestations of the universe right? So this theory could still make sense if one argued that the afterlife is a part of this universe.
Terry and the Jerry's are essentially "god" they look after existence.. they don't actually have a form, so they manifested a simple, easy to comprehend form for humans to interact with before life, and upon death.
I think that the last time the count was off was when Boo became the witch. "Brave" takes place "centuries" ago and it is possible that Boo's soul just fell into the witch's body. BTW, did you know that 22 has her name because "Soul" is Pixar's 22nd film.
It could just be a soul dying when someone losses all their core memories and become depressed, the count was off because the film came out in 2020 and the off count equates to 1 years worth of depression
I just rewatched Brave, the Will O' the wisps look a heck of a lot like the souls in Soul. Especially considering, spoiler, one is released after the bear is dispatched.
My personal theory is that a Will O’ the Wisp is quite literally the will of a memory Let me explain A wisp can be interpreted as a “a small thin or twisted bunch, piece, or amount of something” Sometimes when you barely remember something, you have “just a wisp of memory.” This would explain why these wisps aren’t very powerful, but are capable of steering fate. They are memories but only wisps of them As we know, memory is a powerful existence in Pixar that can influence the world And so we have this dichotomy of memories-a time oriented existence And souls-also a time oriented existence (because with time, they too will fade away) Therefore my extended conclusion is that Will O’ Wisps are a combination of both memories and souls... a Wisp (of memory) that has a Will (soul) I just made this up so if it has a lot of holes that’s why and feel free to point them out
Imagine if pixar made a movie titled “This Movie is Specifically Crafted to Not Fit Into the Pixar Theory in Any Way, Shape, or Form” and SCB still found a way to fit it in
Did you catch the part where Jerry said that there hasn't been a miscount "in centuries"? Boo traveled back in time and thus added to the count of souls for 10th century Scotland.
Deepak is an actual name. It's like if a person is named Daisy, that doesn't mean she's a flower. The name tag probably refers to someone named Deepak, not an actual lamp. Also, Deepak refers to an oil lamp, so it wouldn't be a machine anyway.
But this is Pixar we are talking about. Do you think it's more likely that they just meant Deepak as a name or that they are referencing Luxo jr? It's definitely a lamp reference.
I was coming to write this. This would be like someone thinking I'm an actual sunbeam rather than a person whose name happens to mean a ray of light. They probably chose the name because it connects to Pixar lamp but yeah definitely a common Indian name.
Imagine living in the land of the dead for a ridiculously long time because some person you ran into an airport once had on the exact same outfit as you and they told there kids and everyone they knew so a bunch of people you have no idea about remember you.
The best way to live would be to be the president/a well known influencer, since even the most forgotten president in is known by SOME people, and you're likely gonna be forever remembered.
My only frustration with this theory is the assumption that the “Great Beyond” is the second death. There could be a giant party inside the light or something.
I think he more means the idea of dying a 2nd time, cause they visually see there end in a very toy story 3 esc manner. Im sure the great beyond is an actual good place the conveyor belt is just more so a representation for the souls that havnt quite died yet. For instance had Joel been shot im sure he would have just ended up in the great beyond
@@jamiegeorge1605 he was joking, saying that you don’t get a second death when you go into it, it’s just a bright light with a party inside of it I think
@@daframp2753 he wasn't joking, we litherally have no idea what that is, it could be a portal to the afterlife, or maybe you get resetted and you start a new life all over from the pre-life area, it's up to interpretation really
Well, it's not just humans if you think about it. Technically any sentient being could be a "battery". This could probably include the Toys, Talking Animals, Robots, the Mythical beings. Humans just being the focus most of the time.
@@shaylalynn2030 They become their own living entities though. So it would make sense that they get emotions and thus have the potential to become "batteries" themselves.
@@FrostyMac well it technically can’t bc you physically would not be able to be unhappy or bored in christian heaven just saying have a great day tho 😁❤️
the Hindi word’s literal translation is lamp (used symbolically in Hindu festivities) but it is actually a human name, Deepak. So it doesn’t have to be LUXO. Other than that another brilliant video guys!!
Okay, okay, here me out, what if the asteroid that had missed the earth millions of years ago, hit the onward planet. I’m thinking it contained some sort of magic, and people who were in a radius of the asteroid hit were given some sort of magical power, and is passed down from generation to generation, slowly losing power over time, not only because electricity is discovered, but also because the magic wasn’t permanent. I don’t really know though. It’s just a thought. Thanks anyone who read.
@@therewasoldcringe or onward could be the civilization on Mars that was relatively advanced before it crumbled and sent out its last remaining species to earth for survival. The species having to restart technology all together, Mars being the only terrestrial planet with magic (for some weird science reason related to the moons maybe)
I thought y’all were going to make a connection between how emotions and personalities work in Inside Out versus them being assigned in Soul. That would make a great discussion
@@spenjaminn3846 Also, I saw another comment on one of SCBs Soul videos (Maybe this one...) about the different bages on the incomplete Earth passes. Each of the symbols are a different colour and they mostly match up with the colours of the emotions in Inside Out. There is yellow (Joy), purple (Fear), green (Disgust), blue (Sadness), and then there is one which looks orange (Maybe meant to be red, so Anger?) and a pink looking one. Obviously, pink doesn't fit so it isn't an exact theory, but they suggested that when the soul enters the body, it splits into the different emotions and whatever colour a symbol was is how the personalities of each emotion is determined. This explains why each person's emotions have different personalities (Riley's Joy is different from Riley's mum's Joy). It also explains why you wouldn't remember anything from the great before, your blank soul is split into your emotions, and then your actual soul (like Joe's soul we see throughout the movie) is developed as you live and grow.
I see two interpretations of this (note I haven’t finished the video) 1: it’s possible that the conveyor belt leads into the flower bridge, and thus onto the coco afterlife. Miguel skipped the conveyor belt because he didn’t die, he skipped that part and only kind of died 2: the bridge of flowers and the conveyor belt are the same, but are just interpreted differently by the different people. If you were to fall off that bridge, you’d end up in the great before (which may also change depending on your beliefs)
The second one makes a lot of sense. Like mentioned in the video, it does look like the frets on a guitar, so that could be just Joe's version of that bridge. For the other people he encounters, it could appear to them as something completely different.
My theory is that Coco's afterlife is just for the country of Mexico. Maybe each country has it's own afterlife or Mexico is just special, I can't tell which is better.
I thought that Coco would be the after life, and the conveyor belt is the way they get to the after life. The reason Miguel wouldn't have seen the conveyor belt would be because, like you said, he never actually died.
The “lost souls” reminds me of the ending of inside out where the panel in Riley’s head was grayed out and couldn’t be controlled. So maybe sadness wasn’t the reason Riley decided to get off that bus. Just a thought
Maybe sadness plays into the idea of a lost soul, like she was in soo much sadness that her soul was lost but after being reconnected with her soul was able to move past the extreme sadness and get off the bus back to her family
Thats sorta just it though, the Pixar theory has always been just a game of connecting Easter eggs into a head cannon. We're not talking about the MCU where Boo turns up to collect these characters to form the Avengers. Its just visual references that people enjoy putting together
and because it’s Mexican culture. so like only Mexicans that believe in the land of the dead would go there instead of, in this case, non Mexican Americans who get the great beyond. so depending on your beliefs of death, you get a different outcome where you go after you die.
The Great Beyond must be a portal to whatever your belief is in the afterlife. Whether it is the mexican Land Of The Dead, River Styx, or Heaven, you get teleported to that afterlife.
yea, that’s what i thought, i assume that all the mexican ppl experienced the conveyor belt and could be mentors, but the “great beyond” could really be anything for anyone (including the coco city)
@@tentilol they keep living in the land of "memory". All these afterlife worlds in the Pixar universe theory are not actual places but constructions of collective memory and belief... something that in this universe not only preserves but also gives life. So in the Pixar universe it doesn't actually matter if you believe or not I think, it matters what your people have collectively constructed through all these centuries as the "afterlife". Kinda like the floating islands in Riley's head, in inside out, but here imagine different afterlife islands depending on the culture's beliefs I guess ^___^
@@purnifest I think what we see is a representation in a form that the feeble minds of humans can understand. In this particular case Joe's. It could be different for a person of a different time and experience. It is how I connect what the quantum Jerry said to the Pixar Theory anyway.
Keep in mind, 22 doesn’t have to be born as a female. They are just the soul, not the body. They say in the movie, souls can appear however they want. Felt like I should add that I think it’s fine to address the soul as “she” or “they,” as they do in the movie. But just made this comment for when people makes theories of who she becomes in the Pixar universe.
The theory that different belief systems lead to different afterlives is really beautiful and is actually a cornerstone in my religion. This is pretty deep stuff.
But our afterlives are relatively short... it only exists in the last minutes of brain activity after heart failure. The dmt levels skyrocket.. we hallucinate pleasant places.. then we just cease all together.. thats why different beliefs systems have different afterlives... because an afterlife is just that last remaining brain activity of a human before it goes brain dead.
@@arcadeperfectreviews2653 I'm not an atheist.. I just don't believe the universal creator actually care about us.. we don't matter to a "god" because a "god" has an infinite amount of universes going.. we're nothing to them
It’s kinda scary that Joe was able to see the past and future important objects of the pixar universe. The Axium is the scariest to me. Since it was the start of extinction on earth and space travel
This idea of things already in the "afterlife" that have not happened yet in the present reminds me of The Good Place, where time is developed in a line that writes 'Jeremy Bearimy'
I was amazed at the art style for the Jerry's and Terry, it was so abstract-y. I squeeled in joy in the scene where Terry went to Earth "omg they are a LINE!' it was really clever.
I think the lost soul could be Remy due to the fact the he was able to understand humans and was able to cook. Remy could even be gusteau himself maybe he wasn’t ready to die like how Joe was.
As a Mexican I agree with the theory. Collective memory is a real thing here. After living in the US for a few years (I was born in Mexico and lived there for 25+years) and having experienced day of the death in the US... You realize that the tradition can only be experienced fully if you are IN Mexico. Like the energy of the collective Mexican mind just doesn't feel the same when you are out of your contry. It is just lacking. You feel that special memory energy and tradition INSIDE Mexico. Is like you have to be thinking and stepping on your soil to feel it AND be thinking the same thing as a country for 3 full days. Specially in day of the death. So having a Mexican afterlife makes to me, as a Mexican, lots ot sense!
I was thinking about this too. Like what if in the pilar universe, or universe in general, you get different outcomes of your death depending on your beliefs. So like Mexicans would get the land of the dead, whereas Americans would get the great beyond.
@@melinagarcia2885 I’ve thought about that too. Like what if the world is just a construct of your soul and whatever you truly believe will happen when u die is what’s gonna happen. And everything that happens to us and even the rules of the universe are just subconsciously created by us. Sadly he’s wrong about it in the Pixar theory tho. Maria izquierdo is on 22s wall of stickers and she’s a Mexican artist implying that in the world of soul, Mexicans go to the great beyond as well.
@@nhutch127 He's not necessarily wrong about the theory because of Maria Izquierdo being on 22s wall, in the movie they did state that the mentors go to become mentors after they die as a brief detour before the great beyond (second death), they dont really specify if they go into second death immediately after or if they may continue to live out their first death in what ever way fits into their culture
I actually like the theory that Boo is trying to save Sully from the second death. My biggest problem with the Pixar Theory is that Boo is lost in time and never sees Sully again. It's sad. You guys always make it work. 👒 Hat tipped.
@@1spectre504 But people do actually celebrate the Day of the Dead in Mexico, and believe in a place that is perhaps not exactly the same but similar to what is depicted in Coco.
I think the planet that Onward takes place in already existed and it might not be Mars😂 One of the Axioms from Wall-e crashed there and they adapted their ways to ours. That’s where we got the movie from.
On a completely and utterly unrelated note, the song "Little Wonders" (the song that plays in Meet the Robinsons) went through my head at the end of the movie
I've been reading up on afterlife theory for my creative writing, and yeah: atemporality is the most confusing common aspect of most afterlife depictions. One common explanation is the "everything was always going to happen" postulate, but this is a paradox all its own.
i like to think the pixar animators look at videos like these and come up with ideas just to lead us on with the pixar theory, whilst laughing maniacally
@@TheTrueKingofKoopas , Disney is basically just piggy backing off other people's theories, though (like how JK Rowling would randomly confirm fan theories that weren't represented in the books/movies at all). Before Disney took control, Pixar actually confirmed the Pixar Theory was not true at all. The movies are not made with the intention of them being in the same universe.
I hope that a meme starts with Soul where someone takes a random screenshot and claims the reference to the next movie is there.. This is the best movie to do this with.
IMO the place that joe ends up is for the sacrilegious, as joe never mentions his religion in the movie as far as I'm aware, and it also explains how people of other cultures are there.
The waiting time between the Grey beyond and real death could be so jerry could count all the souls going to the great beyond OMG I JUST THOUGHT OF THE BEST IDEA!!!! So I’m guessing the Soul takes place in 2020 in the Pixar universe. BUT, THIS IS WHAT I THINK. It’s not that the great before shows the past, present, and future, it’s that it shows what has happened (aka the past) even IN PAST LOOPS. Like you said, the universe is in a loop, so when soul happens, it’s not the first go around. The loop restarts and then the ship is in the great before. Because it already happened, in the future of a past loop.
@@Joe_Megh so pretty much, the Pixar universe is infinitely looping right. So the reason why the ship from Wall E is there is not because the great before knows the future. It’s because it’s showing a past loop
When souls go into the death portal, it makes an electric noise symbolizing the fact that souls have energy. That’s how monsters get energy from children.
John ratzenberger does have a line when they are in the hall of Joe's life he is a voice rejecting Joe even though he does not have a character that appears on screen
Pixar: huh, guys that’s good write that down, and that. Oh this is perfect for our next interview! Also Pixar: I just accidentally make a blue blob and I was on an escalator when I thought of it? But this is good too!
I'mma have to disagree with the brothers on this one. I think that when one dies no matter their background on Earth was they land at the conveyor belt, and it serves as part to let one acknowledge that they have died, no matter where in the world one dies they end up there because one of the souls Joe talks to speaks in French not English. Even one of the soul name tags that 22 has in her box place is "Maria Isquierdo" which is a Spanish name safe to assume more than one Mexican soul has been through there. After once a soul has passed the Great Beyond it's not second death, the souls are now sent to their "afterlife realm" aka heaven depending on their beliefs, hence the Land of the Dead of Coco for Mexican souls, Valhalla for Norse people etc. Notice how we never see in Coco when a person enters after they die, like Miguel doesn't count because technically he didn't die, he crossed the bridge with his family the first time, and the second time he was transported to the spot he left from.
I’d just like to point out: the Great Beyond and the Land of the Dead could very well be the same thing. We never see the inside of the great beyond, nor do we see anyone actually die in Coco to get there (the petal bridge is part of visiting for Dia de Muertos).
I think the greater point is why would Coco's Land of the Dead be so Mexican themed if it were the same place everyone who dies throughout history ends up? For that matter, even if it were just Mexican why would the most famous person be a musician/actor instead of say a historical military or political figure whom everyone is taught about in school? The land in Coco seems particularly tied to Miguel, if anything. He encounters family members almost immediately despite tens of millions dying worldwide every single year. The most famous person is a personal hero of Miguel's.
I was rewatching soul today and I noticed when joe first gets to the great before and all the “young” souls are jumping on how when jerry gets them to hush she said 37 but it was still young and didn’t act like 22
John Ratzenberger was in Soul, but it was such a quick moment that it's easy to miss. It's during the Hall of Self, where Joe is seeing parts of his life, and then he reaches the parts where he keeps getting rejected for gigs, and off camera you can hear Ratzenberger's voice saying something along the lines of "sorry, it's just not gonna work out"
If Dorthea Williams' music was on the planet that a star-liner crashed on, then it has to be on the timeline after Soul. Meaning it takes place before Monster's Inc..
Anyone else notice that between Grogu and 22, it seems like studios are now intentionally designing their characters to look as much like Funko Pop figures as possible?