How Spider-Man: Homecoming Gets the MCU Right 

Apparently the "8 years later" thing isn't a continuity problem because The Avengers took place a few years before 2012? Whoops. My bad guys, I was mislead by a lot of online buzz about it. I should of known Marvel was probably on top of this. Thanks for the clarification!

People seem to forget that Thor's vision is what made him come into Avengers Tower while the others were fighting and use Mjolnir's lightning to create, well, Vision. Vision, in turn is what helped them beat Ultron. So Thor's dream scene, while admittedly putting too much emphasis on future films, does serve a very important purpose in the film itself. I think Thor's vision, while not perfect, is getting too much unfair criticism...

The Kingpin story would be a perfect future sequel for this Spider-Man. He starts working for the Bugle and learns a lot about how media can change reality and how certain things can be covered. This would also be an interesting idea for a film in general, as it's something that hasn't quite been touched on in previous MCU films (maybe Daredevil Season 1 a little)

An interesting thing is that we actually got a preview of the reverse engineered Chitauri tech back in Luke Cage, which also made IM2 a bit more relevant again as Hammer technologies were involved to a certain degree.

Saw the movie and it is great.. this is a generation of post avengers.. this is their reality if MCU is to exist to a real world..

Damn, I actually like where he was going with that crossover with daredevil.

Hahahahahah that "shut up nerd" card killed me

Dude your editing is little but so gooooood

the "8 Years Later" thing is just to make sure we all know that phase one movies all took place closer together than the movies came out. And I think there's going to be a time travel thing coming up and that number of years is going to be a big deal to that plot point.

I love this channel. It's wonderfully nerdy...and yes, Kingpin would be awesome in Spider-Man.

Haha! I was just nodding along...then "Shut up nerd!

The Avengers: "We don't wanna kill you, but we will." That's the difference between them and the Justice League. The Avengers (at least in the MCU) genuinely put me on edge. These imperfect powerful people setting out to save the world no matter the cost. And the costs have been shown. Stark is unhinged and consulting in his goals, always believing he's right. However, this might just be my own take on the unique on the MCU and I love it. Wouldn't change it for the world, it feels so real. Post-Scriptum: Infinity War was spectacular.

Instead of, "8 years later" it should have been, "Present day" or something along those lines.

It got it right because it is made by Marvel.

Yes please the Kingpin in Spider-Man ! Actually what the film shows about Tony Stark making money out of the destruction is the first reason why Peter switches sides in Civil War... so that's definitely something he can understand. Another thing : I was wondering why the Vulture doesn't kill Peter when he has the chance at the end of the film. After rewatching it I realised that it's because he's not a murderer he's à thieve. When he kills the first Shocker you can clearly see that it wasn't his intention.

I TOTALLY AGREE on the Dadedevil's Kingpin being perfect villain for Holland's Spiderman. Pleeease, Netflix, let them borrow him. Pleeease.

Awesome work, man. Very interesting analysis.

I love your gimmick of punctuating the different sections of your videos with 3-second clips of old commercials and cartoon segments mixed with VHS static. It's a very effective mental cue that 'a new idea is going to be talked about' and also a palate cleanser, getting you ready for the next part. It's also very memorable, making you stick out among the other comic book and comic movie channels. I look forward to more videos!

The Thor scene explains why he isn't in Civil War...

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If you put attention to the Thor scene you'll knew that is not a teaser for IW or Thor Ragnarok. Thor knew by the vision (no pun intended), if he created Vision, Ultron Will be terminated. That's what he saw. In the alternate scene, he was "possesed" and told Selvig a death Will be necessary. It made sense when Quicksilver died but not when Vision was born. I feel like Whedon could find another way yo include both and still make sense. But anyway. I didn't feel it forced. And about the whole 8 years thingy, it's been said that Avengers took place in 2009, not 2012. It's not a continuity error.

awesome video dude. homecoming had a major advantage over the other Spiderman films, and it took a complete advantage of that.

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Love your videos, keep up the good work.

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keep up the good work man! I really like your vids. PS: idk if Daredevil vs Vulture is possible, but definetly I would like to see it in season 3 os DD. And of course that Kingpin vs Spidey would be AWESOMEEEEE. The depth and darkness of Vincent against the lighthearted Spiderman, it'd be an amazing contrast

Great video dude! Cool music choices.

Avengers did take place in 2012, it has been confirmed in many MCU movies including Endgame. Also, Joe Russo confirmed that it was an error in Spiderman Homecoming, he said “Yes, it was a very incorrect eight years.”

so basically, it should be something casual movie goers would understand and something hardcore fans can connect to other movies within the universe

Interesting video about your thoughts, you earned yourself a new subscriber. :)

Love you stuff bro

You make good videos, keep up the good work!:)

I love that this movie tied up loose ends in the universe more than it created them.

In fairness to Age of Ultron (because I'm compelled to defend my favorite comic book film), I think that vision scene is actually imperative in that it helps Thor and the audience understand the stones better, so that it then makes sense when Thor decides to help Tony and Bruce create Vision.

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No, no shut up nerd. You had something about Spider-Man and Kingpin there. That sounds extremely interesting. :) Granted the Netflix series and the film don't really cross over, but I'm not going to rule it out. :)

A number error ain't gonna stop me from enjoying the first MCU Spiderman movie.

Great video, by the way. And yes, need Kingpin please! I've been seeing a lot of hype of him in many Spider-Man games and I figured then on that he's a very important character in the franchise. It'll be nice to know exactly what he is and who he is to the Spider-Man's world.

oh, the Spectacular Spider-man series opening? You spoil me, captainmidnight.

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Guys I posted this on the reddit marvel page and this may explain the 8 year problem. What if the 8 year title card wasnt meant to be 8 years after Civil War or the Avengers, but 8 years after Iron Man 2. Listen to me real quick, Before Homecoming was released, Marvel confirmed that the little boy wearing the Iron Man helmet was indeed a young Peter Parker. They had no need to confirm that and especially no need to do so right before the movie was released. I dont know the years and the exact time Iron Man 2 was released and if it were really 8 years before Homecoming but seeing how the boy, young peter, looks to be around 6 or 7... maybe 8ish to be honest, it does make sense seeing how Peter is 15 at the time of Homecoming. I dont really know if Im right, and this videos been out for a long time now but I posted this on reddit and not a lot of people were able to see it since hundreds of posts get posted daily, but if im somewhat right please upvote this so Captain Midnight can see and hopefully shine some light on the topic. Thanks!

The continuity isnt an error. Chronologically the events of the avengers happened in 2009

I thoughts IM2 was pretty alright movie, not one pf the best MCU movies. But still it has some good moments.

I really like your videos and channel

I so badly need to see the Netflix characters cross over with spider man. It's one of those things where they are all operating in the same area. They would cross paths at some point.

Spectacular Spider-Man...😪

You should make a video on the Netflix marvel series

I'm so badly wanting Ultimate Spider-man arcs to be loosely adapted into films, *especially* Kingpin. Can you imagine how jaw-dropping a Death of Spider-man film could be? Here's hoping the 1610 universe continues to be a major influence!

Sorry but I disagree with the 8 YEARS LATER title card being an error. It can't possible be, I just can't believe it. Kevin Fiege himself would have had to read and approve the script, as well as the final cut of the film. There's also a line that The Vulture says, something like "8 years without any trouble from those bozos at Stark tower". If it was an error, out of all the people making the film, at least one person would have picked up on it and changed the title card/edited the line in post. I reckon they'll come out publicly with some new version of the timeline but that's just my $0.02 anyway.

to be fair, whedon Hated the Thor scene in avengers 2, it was a studio requirement

As a follow up, I like your Kingpin suggestion.

DUDE! your kingpin in spiderman theory is exactly what I want here's how they should do it: Ok so how you know how the Avengers tower is getting sold? What if Wilson Fisk buys Avengers tower and makes it Fisk tower? This makes sense since Daredevil is pushing him out of Hell's Kitchen and so he expands into Manhattan and spiderman notices Fisk constructing something and spiderman knows Fisk is a bad man since his arrest was on the News so Spiderman stops Fisks expansion of business and Fisk is angry so he gets Mac Gargan out of prison like he did the Punisher and hires Mac to kill Spiderman, throughout the movie Spiderman is being hunted and on the second encounter with Scorpion Spiderman is on the verge of death and Daredevil shows up and saves Spiderman. Spiderman asks a couple questions like " Who are you?, Do you know who I am I mean my identity?, and What if I need your help again?" Daredevil replies " I'm just a man trying to rinse out the city I love, No I don't know who you are nor do I want to either I respect your privacy, and If ever need my help I'm always listening and I have some friends that can help you too." That's it marvel that right there is how you intertwine the MCU shows and movies together and here's a couple other ways they could introduce the Netflix characters into the MCU Movies via Spiderman: 1. Michelle Jones is Jessica Jones Cousin 2. Aunt May hires Jessica Jones to investigate the crime scene involving Uncle Ben and his killer 3. Aunt May finds Ben's killer and sues him with the help of Matt Murdock and/or Foggy Nelson Or even Jeri Hogarth or Foggy's Ex girlfriend (I don't remember her name) 4. Aunt May learns karate lessons at colleen wing's dojo Marvel pick one or all and PLEASE DO IT!

I was really happy when Marvel got Spider-Man back! Spider-Man is my favorite superhero and I was just happy to see him come home! :)

I like Idea of King Pin being the brains behind Scorpion in the next movie. Spider-Man should be in one episode of Dardevil too. It’s seems like they think it would be hard to do but why not ONE episode. Spider-Man and Daredevil help each other out with something. Have a conversation about Defenders and Avengers and Spidey will call Daredevil if they ever need them. And then Defenders show up in a big battle scene to help Avengers fight off Thano’s goons. Then that’s it. In Defenders episodes maybe have it take place a little while after Infinity war, mention it and then it’s over with. Also Ghost Rider and Punisher would be cool. Go ALL OUT for like 5 min in the movie. Why not.

You know, I think that you make a fairly great point about connections. Thanos at the end of The Avengers, Thor's hammer at the end of Iron Man 2, these things are cool and memorable, but they are pretty much there for two reasons: to sell tickets to future movies for the studio, and to distract the viewer from the fact that it IS selling tickets to future movies for the filmmakers. James Gunn, Scott Derrickson and the dudes behind Homecoming understand this. Guardians has more or less subtle nods to weird and wacky characters that may never really be used, but it makes fans happy just to know they are there. Doctor Strange allowed glimpses into the darker and dustier corners of the Marvel world such as the Vishanti, Agamoto, the various dimensions, and a few other concepts without distracting from what was a very intriguing but not overly complicated story with some real human moments and emotions, also asking the viewer questions about morality and other things. I feel like the Homecoming writers made a big effort to have some moments of connection, and even Iron Man being a main character, without distracting from the fact that it is a Spider-Man movie, and not really reminding us about future movies.

Thanks for understanding the 8 years thing.

1) Watching this 3 years later is a trip. But maaaaan....you were bloody right. 2) The music from 3:33-5:35. WHERE DO FIND IT!!!! I need that in my library!

hoooly fuck i wish people stopped hating on good MCU films avengers 2 was a good film did it have problems? yeah a few. We're so unbelievably spoiled whenever an amazing MCU film comes out we think its good when ever a good one comes out we think its bad

Did anyone catch that subtle nod to the Defenders. When Tony rescues Peter from drowning, he tells him there are certain people who take care of villians like the vulture, Peter says the Avengers but Tony tells him a little below their pay grade.

Michael Keaton's Vulture is the best Marvel villain. For once Disney Marvel didnt kill its villain.

1:52 Sees theme song Me: living on the edge Fighting crime Spinning webs Swinging from the highest ledge He can leap above our heads- My sister: OH MY GOSH ARE YOU SINGING THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER MAN THEME SONG WITHOUT ME?!

Let's go!

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Starting Spider-man's timeline twice is confusing, but I like the fact that they're taking elements from the Ultimate Spider-man cartoons to make Spider-Man awesome. The new Spider-Man should have like live action tv miniseries or a cameo in one of the Marvel Netflix series. Anyway I think Spider-Man with powers and gadgets is awesome.

When I saw the "8 years later..." part, I didn't think 'continuity error', I merely took away from it that the MCU's timeline moves a bit faster than real life.

Hey whoever's telling you to shut up needs to stay in their lane. I'm praying that Feige will at least drop an Easter egg in one of the movies about the Netflix shows. The longer it draws out the more I lose hope

"Make sure to like and subscribe and bla bla". If I wasn't subscribed already I would now just for the sake of it :)

I wish there was a video titled "Marvel movies as DC movies", where they take random mentions of catastrophic events and (whereas in MCU movies, there isn't discussion) the one line is turned into an entire 4 minute edit of all the things that caused it, came from it, and were it. (Such as Tony mentioning his dad in Homecoming. (You gotta admit that in a batman movie that quote would've ended up having a replay of the Wayne parent's death. (You gotta.)))

Not noticing the title card: Just one of the many benefits of illiteracy.

Love the fact that they didn't kill off Vulture. That might be the first time a Marvel villain besides Loki survived a movie.

if anybody noticed in civil war vision said that the threats have increased since Tony revealed he is ironman 8 years ago that means civil war is placed in 2016 and also homecoming.

i was watching this through headphones while playing some mobile game and when the rambling cuts off the sound completely i thought i died for a moment

8 years later is correct. All Phase One films have a correct timeline. Phase 2 had a couple of continuity errors and Phase 3, Civil War & Spider-Man have fixed these and gotten back on track. Iron Man and Iron Man 2 are 6 months apart. Thor, The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 take place in roughly the same week. And it all started in 2008. Then Nick Fury says,, in The Avengers, that S.H.I.E.L.D. are making WMDs because of the events in Thor 1 year ago. I.E Avengers is 2009, 8 years before Spider-man. They switched dates before and nobody seemed to care or notice (??) Now they've been trying to switch them back to the first year of all this to make it fit. Nobody says that just because they're the most successful at these they have gotten everything right all the time. but this is just a semi-retcon.

Just shup up an go to see this awsome movies.

Homecoming bridges between Civil War and Infinity War in two really significant ways - both the Tony/Peter prodigy arc AND the running theme of how Steve's somewhat naive ideals contrast with reality. Cap's inclusion is way more than an easter egg. It's a reminder of who he is and what he stands for. Your issue with Chitauri is an example of Whedon's biggest flaw. As amazing as he is at building characters, he never applies this same talent on a bigger scale than the core cast. It was the exact same thing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer - in which there are several revelations about demon characters like Spike and Clem having significant relatable elements of humanity - yet Buffy continues to simply slay cannon fodder demons at first sight as if nothing changed.

The Shocker made me very happy.

2:24 "The bill always comes." I think the 8 years is there because Strange stopped Dormammu, using the Timestone in the process

The 8 year card is not a mistake. Dynamic Duel explained the timeline with a beautiful infograph that quotes the movies.

The 8 years thing also was mentioned in a previous movie.

I Enjoyed Iron Man #2 It Gave Us WarMachine. My Childhood Favorite Character.

"They should include the daily bugle" And I oop-

Oh hell yeah! Spiderman and kingpin would be a very smart choice as we have never had him on the big screen (I am NOT going to count Affleck Daredavil Kingpin) also, the upcoming spiderman game has kingpin taking a seemingly major role. Not only that, kingpin is not a world threat level villian, he is just small enough to fly under the avengers radar, and we could even have a Daredavil cameo/role in it.

It's "8 Years Later" because Avengers takes place in 2008. Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and the last part of First Avenger all take place in the same week, and Avengers happens soon afterward. That puts Homecoming in 2016, which is exactly where it should be given its relation to the events of Civil War

4:38 With Endgame that line is even more meaningful.

Since you brought it up, can you please do a vid about Spectacular Spiderman???

With the 8 years later thing they are just saying the first avengers movie and some of the ones before that take place around the same time in 2010.

1:52 to 1:56 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN!!!

the humor was also well used and wasnt forced cuz it worked with the character

The thing about the Netflix marvel stuff is that it feels like a parallel universe that split off after the first avengers movie. Unlike agents of shield that's always running parallel to the movies, I really don't expect Daredevil to show up on silver screen any time soon

Remember that kid who wore an iron man mask and tony saved from getting killed? I don’t really remember which iron man movie it was but apparently its “confirmed” that the kid is peter. So the whole 8 years thing made sense to me

I'm impressed with this channel and will subscribe. This btw is exactly what DC is missing by fast tracking it's team up movies and not investing in stand alone films. A shared history. Instead we get nothing just bam justice league. Bam suicide squad. Bam who gives a dang.

All of phase 1, including the Avengers, takes place in 2008. Spiderman: Homecoming takes place in September, 2016.

That scene from AOU has far more meaning than I think viewers realize. Without that scene, Thor shouldn't give a crap about ensuring the Vision is brought to life. Vision, as we will likely see is basically Life's Champion in the MCU (replacing Warlock from the comics). It's a shame that Disney cut it down the way they did because with the full scene shown on the DVD in the deleted scenes it helps make it clearer, imho. That scene is also the motivating force for Thor to leave Earth at the end of AOU and explains his absence from Civil War and is likely going to be proved integral to both Ragnarok and Infinity War.

I think the best part of homecoming is the title At first I was like "What? I get that there is a homecoming happening but why is it the title" But it makes sense when you think about the villain, The vulture does not seem to be related to the title until you find out about him being the dad of peters crush that he is taking to homecoming. I never have went to a homecoming but I imagine boys fearing about there date having a threatening and strict father.

The 8 years gab is a a retcon that i havent problems with

This is my second favourite marvel movie, it's really underrated in the terms of the MCU.

Every time I see anything related I see anything related to Spectacular Spider-Man I get so depressed knowing we'll never get season 3. :(

BY accident. I'm not sure what 8 year complaint was referring to but a good video.

I've got a theory - that after infinity war part 2 - the 8 year thing will make sense! - kinda like the Doctor's jacket in Matt Smith's first season thing that only made sense at the end of the season (Dr Who)