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The audio cutoff would be amazing to include with all sound testing. I wonder what top waters sound like now - spooks, choppo, poppers. Great video sir. I’m always blown away at how thorough they are.
Cool info. Great video! But the bass are picking up the vibration on their lateral line more so than the sound. The more water you move, the more the bass will feel it! I don’t fish tournaments anymore & stay close to home now, South Central Louisiana & we have places with clear water to muddy water & in between as well. A colorado moves more water than a willow of equal size so in the muddy water, I fish a large colorado single blade. Creates a ton of vibration & allows for a slower retrieve to keep the lure in the strike zone longer.
it is the force of the water displacement of the blades that the lateral line picks up mixed with the flash and silhouette which makes it a great lure.
I agree and recall Doug. I feel pros not use as much do to water clarity. I think they feel ultra clear water fish get too good a look. Im wondering if get rid of skirt and just use a soft plastic would be more realistic and inline with blade size appearing more like small school bait fish
That makes me think the bass are keying in on the thump of the blades with their lateral lines. It also makes me wonder if a bladed jig is similar. Once again, some really intriguing results! Great work!
I believe that sound is not what matters but the water displacement they feel with their lateral line is . The sound we think that spinner baits, buzz baits, poppers etc make arent sctually ever heard by the bass , they are felt.
Like the vids... thanks... I tend to believe it's more about the lateral line, over hearing or sight. A bass is supposed to see 8 times further in the water than us. But there are times I think a bass can feel even a weightless worm before sight ever comes into the equation.
I'm blown away Steve. Like you, I thought that spinnerbaits were noisy. This really changes my perspective on this bait. I need to get them out and start throwing them like I used to. Great video!
Another winner Steve. Great video. Underwater footage of bass behavior and varying lure actions puts your work over the top. Now, we’re getting to hear how lures sound underwater & what frequencies bass hear. It’s easy to feel your passion for what you do. We benefit. Thanks! 🎣👍🏼😎
Thank you! I really enjoy it. Hopefully, someday I can hire someone to help me with all these. I have so many things I want to do and not enough hours to do them.
This video changes my mind on a lot of metal lures. So the squeaky blade we all want from our buzz baits are inaudible to a bass but the plopping sound can be heard. Now you got me wondering about a lot of crank baits. More bait videos to come?
Steve it's the different vibration the blade put in the water. Not so much the clacking of the blades. Also depending on the clarity of water, the flash the blades give off. Your sound equipment is not going to pick up the vibration , like a bass through his lateral lines. I'm a semi-retired fishing lure manufacturer of my specialty was bass jigs sprinnerbaits, buzz baits and hair jigs. Those blades create a pulse in the water that the bass can hone in on. Each different type of blade puts out its own unique vibration.
I am working on a video that hopefully will be able to show/monitor/measure water displacement. The tough part is trying to make it visual. Lol. Thank you for sharing all this! I didn't realize you built lures. That had to be so rewarding.
@@SteveRogersOutdoors Yes I had a business for 25 years. It started as a hobby/ obsession turned into a business for many years. It was rewarding. I am also the inventor of the Liv-O-Lution jig that was popular in the north east back in the early 90's.
Yep, agree. Something about it is calling them, right? Crazy, because we simply can't perceive what it's like to combine the senses of low frequency hearing paired with lateral line sensation.
Steve. Totally cool! Have you considered testing topwater lures? I bet you'd find some interesting stuff. A friend and I did something similar with topwater striper flies back in 2007. That was so long ago we had to make a DIY hydrophone and use a linguistics program to analyze the sounds. I bet your gear is way more effective. We measured sound frequencies, duration, and decibels for 6 patterns. Each fly had a unique acoustic signature. The biggest surprise was finding that the loudest flies created a bubble ( like cavitation) when they dove underwater creating a "pop" ( up to 87dB) when the bubble imploded. Cheers, Rob
Good to know. I just last week got my very first hit from a bass using one of my spinner baits. I had owned these spinner baits since I was in my mid-twenties. I'm 68 now. I didn't catch that bass that hit my white spinner bait, I just watched and felt the bass hitting my lure. It's a positive turn of events as far as I'm concerned. Now the only other bait in my arsenal that I haven't caught a fish with is the jig.
The jig is the one that was the most challenging for me when I was learning how to us it. That was the only lure I threw for an entire summer forcing myself to learn it. It worked - but it was a summer full of frustration at times. Now it is a confidence bait.
Recently heard that they don't really hear a spinnerbait which would concur with your study here, but they feel the pressure waves of the blades with the lateral lines. Again great video Steve. I think the next sound video should be sexy dawg vs hard knock sexy dawg walking across the top. I'd love to see the difference AND it would be great advertising for your sponsor.
I think we're missing a point in this video which is that the sound is only half of the reason we like blades. Water displacement is what is felt via the fish's lateral lines, and there is a large difference in water displacement between the blade sizes and shapes. In fact, this is the first video in which I've ever heard someone mention the sound of the blades. People usually mention the flash and the water displacement.
Water displacement is a huge one. I’m working on a video that hopefully will measure the differences between the different blade types. Thanks for bringing this up!
THAT was interesting!! Wonder how rattling lures and vibrating jigs sound..... I am thinking that we are being "sold" lines when it comes to sound and lures. I mean, what natural bait rattles and thumps when it swims?
this makes me want to keep my spinnerbaits on constant retrieve because i hate the sounds of the metal clacking on like on a pause or popping n twitching yup straight retrieve for me based on MY ears i’ll bump the bottom but that’s it
Hi Steve. I love your videos and the information you research and share. My question for this video is, do you think that bass hit spinner baits because of the sound, or is it more because of the vibration the blade emit in the water?
I definitely feel after investigating this that the water displacement and flash variations are the most important factors. I was totally surprised at how silent they actually are.
I thought it was a bad vibration not sound, sounds kind of a natural metal clicking but different blades put off different vibration, trying to get a reaction from the lateral line of the bass with vibration not sound😊
Sorry, I’ll try to keep it short since it didn’t print what I was saying. I thought it was vibration not sound that attracts bass, the natural metal clicking I would think would be a deterrent, I’m trying to appeal to their lateral line with vibration, different blades put off different vibrations, sorry about my first response, I need to learn to proofread. Lol.
I definitely agree that the vibration/water displacement is the key here along with varying levels of flash. I hope to have a vid out measuring the displacement of different blades.
Never thought the blades would have made a sound in the water unless the clack together or hit something. Interesting that we can hear it but not the fish. I take it the lateral line can pick up the blades water presence though?
Greetings from tennessee. Are you going to do one on top water baits? I would love to hear the difference between a buzzbait a Whopper plopper, and even the different styles of chuggers.
I'd love to see for this kind of video I found a spinner bait with a hatchet blade. It's from blackfly lures I'm curious how that sounds mostly cause I bought one 😅 hoping to be different to catch more
This is so awesome Steve. 1. Wonder if you will do same sound test for say crankbaits and lipless? Maybe not necessary? 2. This might take my Paranoia away. I prefer quiet or one knock cranks or lipless. 3. Wonder if there is a test can be done on sonar frequency(maybe use ice fishing sonar by a dock) to prove what frequency spooks fish. I only did this once after Mark Zona did a show dirt on changing sonar so fish look like lasagna on screen and drop down over them. If recall it was putting sonar on frequency inline with your spinnerbait. But i guess that might do opposite, think they proved allready high frequency spooks fish, so maybe i answered my own question. Maybe i have a misunderstanding if what they can feel or hear.
These are all great question! I definitely plan to dig into as many of these as possible. I am working on one that I hope will show sounds that startle bass.
Interesting Steve. I wonder if “hearing” for a bass isn’t hearing. Their lateral line feels the vibration. Does this intend to mimic the lateral line frequency sensitivity or is it truly audible sensitivity. Not even sure that makes sense. Maybe they are the same but I always thought the big blades and “thump” was more for the feel and not the heat. What do you think? Thanks for producing these. Very informative
I am trying to work on a video that will somehow show water displacement as the blades turn to show those vibration waves. I definitely think after doing this test that the displacement/vibration is more important with these blades.
I’d like to hear what a huge school of Shad sounds like. Does it really sound the same as a Hydrowave Shad sound? I wouldn’t think they’d make any sound to our ears unless it’s immensely amplified like 100 times the normal.
I am definitely working on that one. I have to take a trip to some water that has lots of shad in it. Mainly panfish around me. Hopefully it will be out soon!
The Bass after Dark just had the sound guys episode. Watch it very informative. Creator of the hydro wave and a man from Livingston lures. Worth the watch.
@@youtubzkoz of course they’re going to say their sounds are great. They’re making money off them. I was the first to comment on that vid before it ever aired and before I knew who the guest were. I said in my comment if it’s someone sponsored by TH Marine they’re going to say how important sound is because TH Marine owns Hydrowave. I have one that I won and I think it’s a gimmick as do many others.
@jamesbarron1202 still an interesting podcast/video. I think it's more like ffs where you have to know how/when to use it. But they talked about low HZ and other sound experiments.
Called me shocked. I cannot hardly believe that they would be silent to a bass, just wow. I truly need to get more large and extra large blades for dark or stained water fishing.
I think most depth finders state their frequency. So I would imagine if above 550hz they'd be silent, and below they would sound the same. But operating a sonar above the assumed 550hz limit to be undetected is a good point I hadn't considered.
I definitely want to go back to my footage and check this out. I’ve also lined up some folks to help me with testing the sounds from Forward Facing transducers. I will be filming that one towards the end of July.
More great stuff, Steve. I do have a question tho. At the end of your videos you always discuss another video that might be of interest but I never see a link. Am I missing something? Is it because I’m watching on a phone?? Thanks!
Great question. You should be able to click on the thumbnail image when it appears at the end and it will take you to that video. It should work on a phone. If it doesn’t definitely let me know. Thank you!
I dont think the audible sound 8s that important. I think its the vibration they make that is more kry for the bass to feel it through their lateral line. Is there not a way to measure vibration instead of sound? I think that will open a whole new angle.
I'm not even sure what I learned here 🤔 I assumed it was quiet, which basically, it is. I also just assumed that the blades reflected the sun and gave the appearance of bait fish, which it does. Can someone illuminate this vid for me please? Do I still assume what I already assume?
