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How streaming caused the TV writers strike 

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The way scripted television gets made today has transformed the careers of writers.
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Thousands of television and film writers who are part of the Writers Guild of America are in the middle of a historic strike. They're forming picket lines in front of studios, and productions in New York and Los Angeles and shutting down active sets. The last time they went on strike was 15 years ago - when streaming’s impact on the film and television industry was only just taking shape. This time around, they are striking for better residuals and rights against the looming threat of AI, among other concerns.
At the core of this dispute is streaming and how it's revolutionized the industry. Companies like Netflix, Hulu, Apple TV+, and more have given consumers an unprecedented array of films and TV shows and opened the door to new voices that don’t have to adhere to mainstream network formats. On the other hand, streaming has also changed how television gets produced, the role writers play, and how they get paid. We interviewed four television writers and showrunners about how streaming has changed how they work, how their incomes have taken a hit, and why it has become harder than ever to build a career.
Further reading:
The New Yorker interviewed The Bear writer Alex O’Keefe that Julia Yorks mentions in the video: www.newyorker.com/culture/not...
Alissa Wilkinson covered the WGA strike for Vox, including a part of it we don’t mention in this video: the threat of AI: www.vox.com/culture/23696617/...
There’s a great episode of The Daily about how streaming stunts career development for TV writers: www.nytimes.com/2023/05/05/po...
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@Vox
@Vox Год назад
Disclosure: Vox Media’s editorial team is also unionized with the Writers Guild of America, East. But its members are not part of the strike covered in this video, nor are they part of the contract negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.
@dunk.
@dunk. Год назад
aight
@HaarmannE
@HaarmannE Год назад
SCABS
@ThatOneGuy7550
@ThatOneGuy7550 Год назад
🤨🤨
@Marina-vu2vi
@Marina-vu2vi Год назад
She said nobody is asking for 22 eps back , thats not true!!! I want it back!!!
@DePirre
@DePirre Год назад
​@@Marina-vu2viyeah me too! Because you had the time for character development. Okay you had some filler episodes but still. Nowadays some seasons feel rushed or you don't understand the doing of a character. I need the 20-25 episodes a season to be brought back 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@puja_228
@puja_228 11 месяцев назад
Its sad how writers are considered bottom in the hierarchy when they are the ones who are creating the entire world.
@brianjohnson6053
@brianjohnson6053 11 месяцев назад
The entire entertainment business is irrelevant. Rather watch 70s and 80s reruns than this tripe. There hasn't been anything decent in the last 30 years
@soyokou.2810
@soyokou.2810 11 месяцев назад
​@@brianjohnson6053 What are three good shows you recommend from that era that are beyond what today's writers can come up with?
@littleraeofsunshine
@littleraeofsunshine 11 месяцев назад
Actors who aren't A-list are in a worse situation because they don't even have as much security as a writer does.
@johntnguyen1976
@johntnguyen1976 11 месяцев назад
VFX artist here...we're even further down the ladder than writers. We don't even have a union. 😭 We're literally the only hollywood tradeskill that doesn't.
@radguurl
@radguurl 11 месяцев назад
​@@johntnguyen1976 I hope you all get a union soon! I know VfX artist and yes, it's a grueling job.
@guidosaur7506
@guidosaur7506 Год назад
Reject streaming, embrace piracy
@A93ken
@A93ken Год назад
I LOVE Pirates of the Caribbean
@wallacerigby4393
@wallacerigby4393 Год назад
Lol if they don’t make money they’ll stop making shows. How about everyone go touch grass!
@PirateNikki
@PirateNikki Год назад
Here here!! lol
@KarlJames1
@KarlJames1 Год назад
I used to pay for Netflix and hbo. But after a while I cancelled my subscription. I believe you can find anything online for free if you have the time and I think piracy isn’t a big problem the industry makes billions and isn’t a problem for the big studios
@tomlockwoodbartlett
@tomlockwoodbartlett Год назад
er, how are the show's gonna get made then?
@RobbieChance
@RobbieChance 11 месяцев назад
Streaming didn't cause the writer's strike - greedy companies and people did. I support the writers and hope they get everything and more.
@ElverGalargaChupas
@ElverGalargaChupas 10 месяцев назад
WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT WOLRD NOW!!! These cry babies want things to be as they were in 1990 hahahahaa IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN L0SERS!!!
@prabhdeepdhahan1147
@prabhdeepdhahan1147 10 месяцев назад
I support the writers as well.
@scruffd0g193
@scruffd0g193 10 месяцев назад
That’s what I’m saying. Canceling Netflix or HBO leads to literally nothing.
@leftifornian2066
@leftifornian2066 10 месяцев назад
@@scruffd0g193this job is on its way out If you can’t write better than a brainless ai you’re not needed
@d.b.cooper1
@d.b.cooper1 10 месяцев назад
@@scruffd0g193 They all have a seat at the table which signs off on these deals to end the strike. They can be hurt more so than traditional old school cable as people can cancel with a few clicks right away. A trend in cancellations can have huge impacts if it catches on even for few months.
@crystalpritchard5065
@crystalpritchard5065 9 месяцев назад
This video is so interesting because you realize how similar this issue is to what most people are experiencing in the workforce. Way back in the day, people used to spend their entire careers working at one company, they could start in the mailroom and make their way up the ladder to the executive suite. Nowadays the mailroom jobs are often contracted out so you don’t build seniority and you don’t get benefits and so career growth is that much harder and there’s no company loyalty. At the end of the day, it’s all about maximizing profits to the detriment of workers everywhere.
@deadlee0b1
@deadlee0b1 9 месяцев назад
Also to the long term detriment of the company. When I worked at RadioShack (I know, I'm old), the CEO had started as a cashier in a local store. You had a guy running the company who had worked at almost every level. Someone who knew what it was like to work on the shop floor, to manage a store, to manage a district of stores. CEO's these days are just glorified accountants that have no idea how the company actually functions.
@bed-bugg
@bed-bugg 8 месяцев назад
I was just having this thought the other day as I was talking to my partner. We both have relatively stable jobs, but it's not what either of us would call a "career". In our jobs there's really only so far that you can really move up before you're just stuck there, whereas in the past you might be able to move up higher and have better pay for doing so with incentives to stay at companies for longer. Now, the pay raise for a promotion is minimal, the bonuses for staying 10+ years with a company are almost non-existent and there's little chance to move up. It seems these days that it's almost better to stay at a job for a few years and then move onto another if there's a hiring bonus with a pay raise (compared to your current job).
@user-jp7tw3sd3x
@user-jp7tw3sd3x Год назад
I've seen writers also complain that not only are writing periods smaller, they are contractually forbidden to work for another show in the mean time.
@stev6963
@stev6963 Год назад
That is downright disgusting.
@GordonRamseyIsMyLifestyle
@GordonRamseyIsMyLifestyle Год назад
WHAT
@Malloubyn
@Malloubyn 11 месяцев назад
BRO that's legit evil. That forces them to suffer through stress and make compromises without a sliver of agency in the matter.
@fanstop456
@fanstop456 11 месяцев назад
*OMG* ! Is it real reason?
@thewatcherinthecloud
@thewatcherinthecloud 11 месяцев назад
Did you guys watch the video? Have any of you worked full time jobs? Even if they could work two projects at once, that would mean being on call for both projects. Anyone who has worked at shoots in productions with hectic schedules and at locations that are available for a limited time would know working at one project is already hard enough. Unless you're an executive of BOTH productions, you don't have the have the luxury of coordinating the logistics of the productions to your favor. Focus on the problem they're actually discussing, which is the lower work periods per production and the lowe compensation per viewing of products.
@sahitanand
@sahitanand 11 месяцев назад
That last line is the most powerful statement I've heard so far. "I think we want to make sure that, art isn't coming from only voices who can afford to do this job"
@Defort-jd8xe
@Defort-jd8xe 11 месяцев назад
For every writer on strike there are 9 more that will take any job. Its just the media that is making a huge deal out of it, because they have nothing else to talk about.
@sherila4834
@sherila4834 11 месяцев назад
This is a big problem in the theater world, too.
@PrincessOfTheYew
@PrincessOfTheYew 11 месяцев назад
YESSSS
@astroch
@astroch 11 месяцев назад
Luckily, AI is coming
@marantz1
@marantz1 11 месяцев назад
Music has been like that for decades
@kimberliesharp3042
@kimberliesharp3042 10 месяцев назад
Netflix is a prime example of this. Wednesday did as well as Stranger Things. They didn’t retain any of there writers bc of this streaming structure. Not one writer from the first season was signed on for the second season. It’s 100% a different show by that alone.
@rockstar-kp2jy
@rockstar-kp2jy 10 месяцев назад
🥺 oh no
@marlak4203
@marlak4203 10 месяцев назад
Is the show even still on? Used to hear about it quite a bit now nothing
@waltblackadar4690
@waltblackadar4690 10 месяцев назад
Actually, this doesn't help the argument. Stranger Things has had couple of the same writers the entire time but there has been a lot of turnover. But if there is that much turnover of the lower-level writers and the show itself continues to be a critical and commercial hit then those lower-level writers were easily replaceable and not critical to the success of the show. It really doesn't matter how successful a show is in terms of compensation if a role's contribution to that success is so minor that having a revolving door in that role doesn't alter the quality of the product. That's not to say they shouldn't be compensated or that this strike isn't justified - but it does go to show that the success or failure of the product isn't reliant upon those writers but instead that success is on people like the Duffer Bros who ARE the ones who are making the big bucks.
@Tangie.098
@Tangie.098 9 месяцев назад
@@waltblackadar4690BS, what about GoT? What happened there, he?
@CamJames
@CamJames 8 месяцев назад
so what you're saying is only Showrunners should get paid fairly. Lot of words to make that point.@@waltblackadar4690
@thegreydruid
@thegreydruid 11 месяцев назад
Post Productionist here, we've felt the lack of work and as the years have gone on less and less pay. I used to get paid $30 an hour now its $19 and I've been doing it for 10+ years. This is needed for the whole industry.
@redflamelcd
@redflamelcd Год назад
Studios and streaming platforms are nothing without the writers. Pay them fairly.
@randell9667
@randell9667 Год назад
To be honest, I'd care more if they were putting out quality writing before they went on strike. But the writing that go into most series and movies these days(10-15 years or more) has been excremental, and that's putting it mildly.
@LuanSalama
@LuanSalama Год назад
@@randell9667 What you are saying is that you would do a great job at something while being paid much less than you deserve. And this isn't something that is new now. Before streaming there were horrendous writing as well as great ones, the same way it is today. I don't think your personal experience is enough to make a good point in this case.
@TheShapingSickness
@TheShapingSickness 11 месяцев назад
​@@randell9667I disagree completely. There are way more shows being made now and so many stand out, the content has evolved a lot in maturity and content and creativity and effects, etc. Saying old shows were better quality makes no sense at all.
@CJ-dy8lb
@CJ-dy8lb 11 месяцев назад
Thry ARE paid fairly! The minimum salary for a writer is 125k and they only work 26 weeks per year!
@seankelly4988
@seankelly4988 11 месяцев назад
@@randell9667 The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Succession, Better Call Saul, Utopia, Ozark, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, Fleabag, Barry are just some of the series that have come out in the past 10-15 years. Excremental? Really?
@Wanderlauch
@Wanderlauch Год назад
Good on them for striking. A lot of professions should go on strike, but can't.
@xabrias
@xabrias Год назад
Doctors probably should strike too
@Zak.Sparrow
@Zak.Sparrow Год назад
For the rest of us it's called job abandonment. Unions are obsolete institutions from a bygone era of inefficient markets. They should get back to work before someone or something steals their job
@g_y.rtz420
@g_y.rtz420 Год назад
Yea thats what im thinking, theres always a writers strike but ive never heard of one for animators, vfx artists, game devs, yet their situations are usually MUCH WORSE. Not saying writers should be content, rather, the entertainment industry is rotten to the core. Source: im a former animator
@carolitoffana
@carolitoffana Год назад
Every job should have stability, It baffles me that 2023 we still have to fight for basic human rights, like afford housing and eating 🙃
@andrewfarrell6120
@andrewfarrell6120 Год назад
One Big Union!
@NikkiBWithTheAdHd
@NikkiBWithTheAdHd 10 месяцев назад
I really appreciated this break down. Definitely helped me to understand this strike and how important it truly is to entertainment.
@siddhantsingh3411
@siddhantsingh3411 10 месяцев назад
Bad writing surfaces upfront but good writing goes unnoticed by majority of the audience. These writers should be leading the line.
@siddhantsingh3411
@siddhantsingh3411 10 месяцев назад
@@fdaa3154 Read my statement again. I never said bad writers should get paid more did I?
@MCKidProducer
@MCKidProducer 10 месяцев назад
@@fdaa3154that’s what happens when you kick writers out instead of training them
@richardsejour7731
@richardsejour7731 10 месяцев назад
​​@@MCKidProduceryou can't train writers to be more effective at creating engaging stories. I would understand if these writers were regularly creating shows with the quality of writing seen in the write, but they are creating generic stories. These writers are overpaid and its ridiculous for them to demand more money.
@melissagreye8445
@melissagreye8445 9 месяцев назад
@richardsejour The writers should demand more money because the studios are still making a large amount of money off of the writers creative work.
@rickmorty5215
@rickmorty5215 9 месяцев назад
@@melissagreye8445 Well, to be fair, Disney has been losing a lot of money lately. They lost $900 million in the quarter ending 1 July. This explains the frantic reshuffling that has been going on at executive level, but even that isn't helping. The writing stinks. It's horrible. I put most of the blame on the executives, but also on the writers and actors as well for agreeing to participate in atrocious productions. No one writes anything original anymore. There has to be a generic political script; no imagination or effort put into thinking about coherent narratives.
@nathantilly3539
@nathantilly3539 Год назад
Strikes are vital for workers rights, so workers can be heard and as a blunt reminder to management that sometimes the lowest paid people are the most important.
@wallacerigby4393
@wallacerigby4393 Год назад
They make 6 figures on the low end. They used to make high 6 figures with 22 shows. This isn’t the steel worker or labourer working in a restaurant.
@scottmcfarlane7524
@scottmcfarlane7524 Год назад
or just have a fair wage in the US lol
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Год назад
​@@wallacerigby4393 Please provide evidence to back up your claims. Thank you.
@Obez45
@Obez45 Год назад
It will fuel more investment into AI
@extonjonas6820
@extonjonas6820 Год назад
​@@wallacerigby4393 Even if what you are saying was true, people should be paid for the work they do. That money is still being made but instead of it being divided between all of the parties who helped make it, it is being excluded from some people who play an important part in making them that money
@Aisenheim
@Aisenheim Год назад
Strikes are the way to show that CEOs don't create your Entertainment
@TheCabledawg1
@TheCabledawg1 11 месяцев назад
Writers make plenty of money. You never see bricklayers go on strike. Writers wine too much about making over 100K a year.
@gaswe9236
@gaswe9236 11 месяцев назад
​@@TheCabledawg1 did you watch the video? People can't send their children to school.
@radhikapatil1986
@radhikapatil1986 11 месяцев назад
​@@TheCabledawg1 someone needs to learn about unions
@jessmelgar219
@jessmelgar219 11 месяцев назад
$100,000 in 2000 when adjusted for inflation is the equivalent of ~$175,000 today. The 6-figure income talking point needs to stop
@jessmelgar219
@jessmelgar219 11 месяцев назад
In the inverse $100,000 today is the equivalent of of ~$57,000 in 2000. Still good money, but not enough to cover cost of living in areas that house these jobs. This is why remote work is such a push as well. People are trying to stretch incomes that are not even remotely keeping up with inflation
@ShoeibShargo
@ShoeibShargo 10 месяцев назад
I am all for more episodes. Imagine the writers who wrote Prison Break and kept you hooked all through 24 episodes in every season. Mad respect. I don't enjoy shorter episode series, it's like you are busting my bubble that I like too early.
@Hiah.l
@Hiah.l 10 месяцев назад
or could be even in the way how the German thriller series Dark premised, shorter episodes per season but written in a way the plot is spread across 3 seasons, while retaining a major hook by the last ep of each season.
@usul573
@usul573 10 месяцев назад
I guess it depends on the style and pace of the storytelling or characters. I could imagine relaxing into longer seasons on some shows but sometimes they can just tell a focused story without wasting time.
@naisyjohns
@naisyjohns 9 месяцев назад
Nah, I hated longer seasons. Far too repetitive, and the production values were awful.
@Supherodude
@Supherodude 9 месяцев назад
I think the solution to getting writers who work on streaming shows better pay is to create shows with more longevity. Most of the stuff on Netflix doesn’t last beyond 2 seasons. You have some rare exceptions like Stranger Things but it seems to me like these streaming services would rather just keep pumping out new content than create shows that can go on for multiple seasons.
@naisyjohns
@naisyjohns 9 месяцев назад
@@Supherodude The issue there is that episodes of television cost more time and money to produce these days, as they don't have advertised money like they did in the past. Because of this, they rely on subcribers paying every month, so they have to find other ways to entice them to pay. This includes having stars on their shows and increasing production values, etc, which further increases the costs.
@immealldayeveryday9425
@immealldayeveryday9425 10 месяцев назад
Honestly they just need to make streaming shows longer, very often I’m upset with the fact that there is only 6 to 8 episodes per season
@shantelane2553
@shantelane2553 8 месяцев назад
Me too!! I use to watch a show called Insecure. The audiences begged for MORE episodes or at least longer show times.
@EvilChicken25
@EvilChicken25 11 месяцев назад
I was already on the “give the writers guild everything they are demanding” camp, but after watching this I’m thinking whatever they are demanding is just the BEGINNING of what needs to happen. Wow
@roseband6028
@roseband6028 11 месяцев назад
This is the same in the animation industry too. Plus a ton of the animation jobs aren't done by studios in the animators guild (under iatse). Only two of the nyc studios are under the guild (titmouse and late night cartoons and they only unionized last year/6 months ago) and a lot of major broadcast companies will subcontract to non-union studios. It's why I moved from animation to apparel graphics production, and my non-union apparel contract is better than my friends' union animation jobs are. (not a knock on the unions, it's how bad the animation industry is that those are considered the "good" contracts).
@newflower8974
@newflower8974 10 месяцев назад
@@timetobenotdo😮
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 10 месяцев назад
who cares these a rich people complaining about changing times. these are no different to the people whining in 1970s for losing manufacturing jobs. maybe these people should have chosen fields that actually make you money.
@-bugbite
@-bugbite 10 месяцев назад
@@covfefe1787why are you calling them rich while also saying they should of chose a job that makes money
@alimuh007
@alimuh007 Год назад
"Art isn't coming from only voices that can afford to do this job." This quote had a big impact on me. Hopefully, this gets figured out, and these writers find a situation that is a better fit for the talent and effort that they bring to the production.
@buckbuckleyson2259
@buckbuckleyson2259 11 месяцев назад
Who would write at a loss 🤣
@Antoinetheman
@Antoinetheman 11 месяцев назад
​@@buckbuckleyson2259 wealthy kids who want to work their way up the cultural ladder.
@buckbuckleyson2259
@buckbuckleyson2259 11 месяцев назад
@@Antoinetheman classic
@anthonypareigis6188
@anthonypareigis6188 11 месяцев назад
Bro, the average income for a writer is between 80-150k. Theyre making good money.
@alimuh007
@alimuh007 11 месяцев назад
@@anthonypareigis6188 says who?
@wilfredpadilla6685
@wilfredpadilla6685 11 месяцев назад
The TV writers strike in 2007-2008, often referred to as the Writers Guild of America (WGA) strike, was primarily caused by issues related to compensation and residuals in the era of digital media and streaming platforms. While streaming itself did not directly cause the strike, it played a significant role in the disputes between the writers and the studios. At the heart of the conflict was the writers' demand for fair compensation for their work when it was distributed through new digital platforms such as streaming services, downloads, and online platforms. The writers argued that their residuals and compensation structures were not adequately updated to account for the growing digital market and the potential for increased profits. The emergence of streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime Video disrupted the traditional television landscape, leading to changes in how content was consumed and monetized. The writers believed that their compensation should reflect the value of their work in the digital realm, which was rapidly gaining popularity. The studios and networks, however, maintained that the existing contracts and compensation models were sufficient and resisted making significant changes to the writers' terms. The Writers Guild of America went on strike on November 5, 2007, with thousands of TV and film writers participating, demanding a fair share of revenue from digital distribution. The strike lasted for 100 days, significantly impacting the television industry. Many scripted TV shows went on hiatus or had shortened seasons, resulting in a decline in viewership and revenue for networks. The strike also affected the production schedules of movies and late-night talk shows, causing disruptions across the entertainment industry. Ultimately, after months of negotiations, the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) reached a tentative agreement in February 2008. The agreement included some concessions from the studios, providing writers with increased compensation for digital media and a share of revenue from streaming and downloads. While streaming itself was not the direct cause of the strike, it was a catalyst for the writers' demands for fair compensation in the changing landscape of media consumption. The strike brought attention to the evolving nature of the industry and the need to address compensation and residuals in the digital age. It marked an important moment in the ongoing discussions and negotiations surrounding the impact of streaming on the entertainment industry.
@kgr04
@kgr04 10 месяцев назад
Great explanation!
@DevBob-yi7jl
@DevBob-yi7jl 10 месяцев назад
The last season of Game of Thrones is proof why you need good writers
@thedavidakoh
@thedavidakoh Год назад
These studios have to stop taking writers for granted. You have nothing to direct, perform, produce, market, edit, or profit from without writers. Hoping the storytellers win.
@TheCabledawg1
@TheCabledawg1 11 месяцев назад
Writers make plenty of money. You never see bricklayers go on strike. Writers wine too much about making over 100K a year.
@iamwhatyouseeinyournightma708
@iamwhatyouseeinyournightma708 11 месяцев назад
@@TheCabledawg1 probably because brick layers can’t afford to go on strike. if writers never striked like they are now, they might become like bricklayers in the future due to lack of income. bricklayers should absolutely strike, however they cant even afford it, living paycheck to paycheck
@bloodwargaming3662
@bloodwargaming3662 11 месяцев назад
​@@TheCabledawg1 brain dead comment, if tommorow you slash the average doctors pay by half the net wage after the slash is still going to be a lot of money but is it justified to cut the wage ? NO . Writters making 100k make the actors tens of millions essentially writing down all those dialogues and scenes and they make the film company billions some times if not 100 + million
@TheRockerX
@TheRockerX 11 месяцев назад
​@@TheCabledawg1 you're absolutely delusional if you think the majority of writers are making anything close to that figure (while also being forced to live in two of the most expensive cities on the planet)
@KaritKtana
@KaritKtana 11 месяцев назад
✊🔥🔥🔥
@posthocprior
@posthocprior Год назад
What was missing: the difference in mean salary at a network show versus the mean salary at a streaming show.
@Xob_Driesestig
@Xob_Driesestig Год назад
I tried googling it but couldn't find anything. My guess is that even *if* the salary is nominally higher, the increase in cost of living (especially in places where shows are made) will mean that the purchasing power of writers is lower. One thing they might want to add to their strike agenda is a Land Value Tax, to make the rent go down.
@d0cf0x4
@d0cf0x4 Год назад
​@@Xob_Driesestig I think it depends. Many shows are filmed in locations other than New York and LA now. Atlanta for instance. COL is high and a barrier, but it's not something exclusively experienced by writers.
@dontknowdocare
@dontknowdocare Год назад
I don't think they mention it because writers make a hellavu lot more money than minimum wage or your average Joe. And if people heard the numbers they'd be less willing to emphasise with the writers which is the goal of this story.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Год назад
@@dontknowdocare It's good that you _don't_ think that. Nobody should think something like that as long as there's no evidence provided to back it up.
@colecraggs8147
@colecraggs8147 Год назад
@@lonestarr1490 What? Talk to literally every person who has had a theory ever.
@connorjohnston6238
@connorjohnston6238 11 месяцев назад
As a set carpenter for hollywood films this strike has had detrimental effects to the construction side of our industry as we have no work due to no available scripts. Hope something comes soon.
@k8r2r68
@k8r2r68 8 месяцев назад
OMG! The writers are the heart of the show. Without them, there will be no beautiful stories to watch.😢
@mariaboylan3083
@mariaboylan3083 11 месяцев назад
Writers should not be the bottom of the ladder. Without their thoughts, creativity and words THERE IS NO SHOW! Put the writers in the place they belong and pay for for what they are, the CREATORS.
@matthewlivingston3168
@matthewlivingston3168 11 месяцев назад
IATSE members, the actual crew people are at the bottom of the pay scale and do far more manual labor than the writers. A gaffer will make far less than a staff writer.
@benwatterson851
@benwatterson851 10 месяцев назад
​@@nelcomargaming6612that is almost entirely the producers problem not the writers
@patriciorodriguez1020
@patriciorodriguez1020 10 месяцев назад
They are not… production assistants are and they get treated like 💩
@westernartifact4163
@westernartifact4163 10 месяцев назад
The they need to perform better storylines to justify the better pay.
@eyeana_1529
@eyeana_1529 10 месяцев назад
It is what it is. There's always A+ people working and under some C- talentless people.
@jackbauer322
@jackbauer322 Год назад
I fully support them because the crapiness of the shows lately is over the top and now I understand why ...
@WaffleEBay12
@WaffleEBay12 Год назад
The shows that are coming out lately were written before this strike. But there's plenty of great unique shows with WGA members out there too. You just have to dig a little.
@warrust
@warrust Год назад
@@WaffleEBay12 think their point is that the working condition did not allow the writers to dive fully into crafting a much better story to the best of their capabilities, so if strike can give them better environments theoretically the show writings would improve as well
@WaffleEBay12
@WaffleEBay12 Год назад
@Jeroz Okay, I didn't quite understand that, but I think I get it now. I still think there's some excellent shows coming out, but I support the writers and agree that having more time to write (and writing during production) would likely lead to better quality.
@WaffleEBay12
@WaffleEBay12 Год назад
@FIGHT + lol, I'm not from Gen Z, not that it matters, and I do have some criticisms of new shows, but I watch a lot so I've found there's some good shows in each genre with some bad. If you want some recommendations of good shows, I could certainly share. And please don't say "lit" or "goat" or "fire" again, lol you're sounding like a boomer trying to relate to kids.
@teresitaperegrina3741
@teresitaperegrina3741 Год назад
@FIGHT + lol I don’t think you know the age range of gen z people. I’m nearing 27 and considered gen z. I don’t understand how you can just disregard an entire generations opinion on tv. I’m grateful to work in a job (1 of 2 jobs i have) where I can watch TV so long as I get my quota complete, and I have watched so many shows from all different generations and new ones coming out, all different genres as well. I enjoy all different things and could likely recommend shows to any age group based on their interests and know that they would enjoy it.
@GaidenDS10
@GaidenDS10 11 месяцев назад
Writing is just suparbly underrated that it's been the one who can absolutely carry the show, your artworks and the story themselves! except even some people just ignore them or never gave them status the same as the directors do.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 месяцев назад
They are also the ones who can ruin a show with horrible writing, poor plot development, weak characters, etc. How many amazing streaming shows are there compared to absolute trash or more often, remakes of already written shows?
@lightskinche
@lightskinche 10 месяцев назад
@@nobodyspecial4702 They give you that duality. Without writers, there wouldn't be shows or movies period. Nothing. With writers sure you may get 'bad' movies or shows, but without them there is literally nothing. And consider why they 'ruin' shows. Hmm. Maybe because they aren't being paid enough and therefore they do not care?
@adrianjlive4922
@adrianjlive4922 10 месяцев назад
It’s incredible how streaming services affects so many in the entertainment industry, and even worst how many people care. Yes, the writers strike is still ON.
@zongmuas
@zongmuas Год назад
I love movies and TV Shows and that's why I decided to go into the creative industry. For a period of time, I wanted to break into "Hollywood". Go the traditional route. I worked on a few film/tv/commercial sets at lower-level positions and got to see what the reality of "Hollywood" was. It broke my heart to see how people were treated. I understand that I was in a lower-level position but I think basic human decency is not a lot to ask for. After my last set, back in 2021, I decided to find another path that wasn't the "traditional" filmmaking path. I never wanted fame or wealth, I just wanted to make a living and be happy doing the thing that I love. This strike is long overdue because these writers deserve better.
@koljatomisch9428
@koljatomisch9428 11 месяцев назад
so what do you do then, what alternative path have you found for you? :)
@matthewk4912
@matthewk4912 11 месяцев назад
@@koljatomisch9428 I would also like to know
@LutraLovegood
@LutraLovegood 11 месяцев назад
You shouldn't have to ask for basic human decency in the first place.
@lzmunch
@lzmunch 11 месяцев назад
I work in animation and if you have the privilege to work in a union job at a large company, the company will usually try to find a spot on a new show when your contract ends, rather than you having to search around every several months. It seems like writers could benefit from a similar thing
@Paytonwh
@Paytonwh 11 месяцев назад
Oh wow didn't know that existed, I think thats a wonderful idea! Hopefully something like that is created but I can see the industry resisting it because a writer has so much control over the actual story that execs are more likely to gatekeep writing positions to ensure the writers will create what they want since its their money. People really want control in the industry and will go to great lengths to maintain it.
@laneythelame
@laneythelame 11 месяцев назад
Ooooo i love that.
@r3drift
@r3drift 11 месяцев назад
Writing is very different from animating brother. Animation is art but animation has become less about individual output but moreso about technicality and computers whereas writing still depends solely on what your brain comes up with. Yes they are both collaborative but writing and animation are not even close to being the same.
@nobodyspecial4702
@nobodyspecial4702 11 месяцев назад
You mean, like if they were members of a guild? Something like that?
@BlueAo99
@BlueAo99 11 месяцев назад
@@r3drift Do you know animation works are submitted to the same writing process, right?
@GranTyrant
@GranTyrant 10 месяцев назад
The biggest problem for these writers and this 24 episode philosophy is that the audience seems to prefer shorter seasons, especially when streaming.
@Reque92
@Reque92 10 месяцев назад
Don't know about that... It is hard actually for them to land more gigs
@SDKSeizO
@SDKSeizO 10 месяцев назад
It really depends on the show. If it is like a good book, I want as many episodes as possible. Meanwhile Netflix and Disney are allowing the alphabet warriors to produce garbage after garbage. The whole streaming fad needs to be reorganized, remove the woke warriors and start producing what the viewers want instead of writer's wet dreams. Making product that does not bomb can be a good start in negotiating residuals.
@rinmartell2678
@rinmartell2678 10 месяцев назад
Nope, ever since the golden age of TV big a listers who would only appear on the big screen are part of tv shows. Those actors don’t want to commit for more than 10 episodes. They used to shoot 1 or 2 movies a year and they were good. Also tv shows with 24 episodes have many filler episodes. The audience wants high quality story telling. I mean game of thorns, house of cards, breaking bad were ground baking because of the way they were telling stories. This was something totally new to the audience. And it is more fun for writers because they can go all out. Also before Streaming you would have more case of the week tv shows, which are super easy to follow. Big complex stories don’t need 24 episodes.
@MrMark1
@MrMark1 10 месяцев назад
Much prefer quality over quantity. Many streaming shows go over 1 hour an episode sometimes. Look at stranger things 4, the 9 episodes were over 13 hours long.
@Supherodude
@Supherodude 9 месяцев назад
I agree. The 24 episode seasons don’t work well for streaming shows because of they way they are structured. Most of the shows on streaming are basically long movies that have been divided into several chapters whereas with network tv you got a lot of filler and self contained episodes.
@andreakhaid
@andreakhaid 10 месяцев назад
The crunching down of TV and film is affecting more than just the writers. It's affecting everyone in that entertainment pipeline. I can totally relate this this as an animator. I want the writers to get a fair deal. Corporations employing these writers have money.... they just don't want to pay people properly.
@JB-ti7bl
@JB-ti7bl 10 месяцев назад
"properly" is not a thing in economics.
@anthea6669
@anthea6669 8 месяцев назад
*affecting
@SMtWalkerS
@SMtWalkerS 11 месяцев назад
This really explains how vastly changed the business is. Someone is making plenty of money from the creative work of these writers. Management needs to share, I support the writers.
@E_D___
@E_D___ 11 месяцев назад
The funny thing is that the streaming services are not making money. They are all losing money, and are all vetting on the other streaming services to give up first. (You can check, the yearly earnings are public information. Netflix had never had a positive year)
@kevindao1103
@kevindao1103 10 месяцев назад
@@E_D___ Most of the major media companies can make up the difference in other ways. Disney might lose $659 million in the 2nd Quarter this year from their streaming division, but their parks division created $2.2 Billion in profit for example this quarter. Disney overall had a $28.7 Billion profit from their 2022 Balance sheet across all their assets. They have the money. They're just not willing to share that piece of the pie. This is also why Apple can take a loss on Apple Music and Google with RU-vid/Music since they can make up the difference by selling iPhones/hardware and selling Google Ads respectively. Yes, Netflix and Spotify for instance have no choice but to take a loss and figure out how to recuperate that with means they have to figure out, yet for these major media conglomerates they already do.
@blessedkangara858
@blessedkangara858 10 месяцев назад
​@@kevindao1103facts
@seranibitanta5774
@seranibitanta5774 10 месяцев назад
No one is making money from streaming. It’s not profitable, what might eventually happen is cable all over again because that actually made money.
@RajDeelish
@RajDeelish 10 месяцев назад
@@kevindao1103 Disney has debt. It's not like they're swimming in dollar bill swimming pools. Cash in the bank (with debt still floating out there) is 11 billion.
@harin1892
@harin1892 11 месяцев назад
I was in Visual Effects ( VFX ) industry before, similar situation there too. I used to work 80-90 hours a week in a LA studio, after hiring full time they refused to sponsor visa. Artists had gone on strike ( around the time Life of Pi got Oscars ) and nothing changed. Thankfully i had computer engineering degree as fall back and been working as software engineer since. I miss working in the movies, but without stability and pay I cant survive in the US.
@hemslonnigum
@hemslonnigum 11 месяцев назад
I worked as a composer in LA during the ‘08 recession. No one I knew could find work. Like you, I went into software engineering just to stay alive!
@harin1892
@harin1892 11 месяцев назад
@@hemslonnigum I’m glad we had something to fall back to. Did you think about going back at some point ?
@hemslonnigum
@hemslonnigum 11 месяцев назад
@@harin1892 Sometimes I wonder what could have become of my filmscoring career if I had suffered through it, but it wasn't until I left the film industry that I sensed my life really began to flourish. In my experience working in entertainment takes a needlessly brutal toll on one's mental health. I empathize with my friends still in it who feel trapped because they've been in it so long they feel it's too late to start over in something else.
@alexesjohnson4229
@alexesjohnson4229 11 месяцев назад
This makes me think Americans need to have each others backs more bc I would give up TV if the people making it aren’t making enough money to live.
@alexesjohnson4229
@alexesjohnson4229 11 месяцев назад
I’m so sorry you had to go through this
@tommasobasili5078
@tommasobasili5078 10 месяцев назад
Loved this. Thank you for clarifying what’s happening.
@DoingStuffAF
@DoingStuffAF 10 месяцев назад
I love explanatory journalism ❤ kudos to the Vox team!
@Apple2-ux8uo
@Apple2-ux8uo 9 месяцев назад
Vox is now owned by Comcast too.
@Ark_bleu
@Ark_bleu 11 месяцев назад
Another way streaming affects this is that writers are constantly competing with what has already been aired. Technically this has always been a problem. But there’s a world of difference between driving to rent a dvd of friends and moving a cursor to the right. There really is too much TV right now- so much that it affects the writers’ leverage here.
@littleraeofsunshine
@littleraeofsunshine 11 месяцев назад
Bingo. No new content for a year or two might be sad if you're waiting on a sequel, but will affect the public zero if it doesn't happen. And I'm sorry, network apps are just annoying as they are an oversaturated market. The future will continue to be streaming.
@Ark_bleu
@Ark_bleu 11 месяцев назад
@@littleraeofsunshine Totally. I really don’t see a way out of this one- especially when the upshot would just be…more television. Between content overload, the advent of AI (TBD) and a hoard of hungry Wattpad-ers, it seems the writers couldn’t have picked a worse time.
@altrag
@altrag 11 месяцев назад
I doubt that is a major concern given that the number of shows made per year has gone up 6-7 times over (according to the writer himself at 1:00). Even if those shows are only a third the length of traditional TV equivalents, that's still twice as much writing required and twice the job opportunities for writers. Who those shows compete with is not really the writers' priority - as long as they're getting paid for their work its up to the distributor to ensure that it actually sees airtime. It might have some small impact on the timing of negotiations but even that I'd be pretty surprised about, and absolutely astounded if it was one of the things they were negotiating to "fix". And its not like traditional TV didn't have plenty of things it could re-run to fill time during a strike. Not as much to be sure, but more than enough to last for quite a few months. I'm not sure whether I agree or disagree that there's "too much TV", I just don't think it plays a significant role in this particular strike.
@Ark_bleu
@Ark_bleu 11 месяцев назад
@@altrag Very fair! What I was getting at (on the consumer side) is that today it’s easier to overlook that there’s a writing strike than in previous eras. Little has changed for the consumer, whereas 10+ years ago I remember a marked difference after a couple months (because I was watching actual tv then-albeit via DVR lol)
@elijahtrenton8351
@elijahtrenton8351 11 месяцев назад
@@Ark_bleu Just like Reality TV filled the void of the previous strike, struggling Wattpad writers, chatgpt written scripts, AI generated films, animated films, youtubers and tiktokers could all replace writers and tv and movies in general. This is a bad time to strike but things are only going to get worse not better.
@shane1279
@shane1279 10 месяцев назад
I hope y'all get everything you want and need. and I hope to join you in a writers room one day as an aspiring television writer myself
@ipekkomurcu
@ipekkomurcu 10 месяцев назад
This explains a lot, thank you for this video. I hope things can change in a positive way soon.
@benfranco3801
@benfranco3801 11 месяцев назад
Streaming isn't the problem, it's the companies choosing not to pay the writers for their work. It's always been the companies, remember the strike back in 2008? Way before streaming and still for fair pay.
@staringcorgi6475
@staringcorgi6475 10 месяцев назад
The 2008 strike was about home video like dvd blu ray and itunes/services plus newer technology such as streaming like it it ended with changes for streaming like hiring guild writers for originals on the service but none for physical media which was the way it was bc physical media wasn’t seen as reliable way of revenue in it’s inception
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 Год назад
If writing becomes an unsustainable career then only the wealthiest will be able to pursue it. Morally, with the power to set such a large portion of our cultural language, these companies have a responsibility to ensure that process is equitable and inclusive. But how silly of me I forgot, maximizing profits for shareholders is obviously more important.
@juanm5447
@juanm5447 Год назад
Talking about morals and responsibility by for-profit companies is inane. For them it is more important, so I don't understand why people find this to be a good practical argument. The only way to change their behavior is to change their incentives, which comes from regulation and consumer behavior
@Zak.Sparrow
@Zak.Sparrow Год назад
You're saying that you'll need to be wealthy to write something? Seriously you should think about AI a little bit and consider the invisible hand of the market.
@SaikolaM
@SaikolaM Год назад
Unfortunately that is what is happening in a lot if creative industries. A lot of people in fashion for example are extremely privileged because you need to be in order to pay for college and then do a million unpaid internships while living in expensive cities.
@Zak.Sparrow
@Zak.Sparrow Год назад
@elfrjz free to innovate a better mouse trap anytime you like
@jmhorange
@jmhorange Год назад
@@juanm5447 I think we should expect more from for profit companies. Do they need to make money? Sure just like people need food they can't survive without it. But most people don't rob grocery stores. We expect more out of the average person, even for things they need. Not just thru laws, the society morally expects it out of people. Companies need that societal moral pressure in addition to laws. But they want get that if we throw up our hands and make the judgement, not them, but us make the judgement that for profit companies have no moral responsibilities beyond maximizing profits.
@heyguyslolGAMING
@heyguyslolGAMING 10 месяцев назад
Ive often found it disgusting how much actors would make over writers and while I'm no expert on the film industry economics it's a no brainer that writers are very much under appreciated and under paid. Without them we have nothing.
@Grayson4795
@Grayson4795 11 месяцев назад
This was so interesting and very informative thank you👏🏻👏🏻
@admcToGo
@admcToGo Год назад
This strike feels so quintessential as for how streaming platforms are actively sabotaging themselves. In a day and age where major streaming services are laughed at for mass producing shitloads of mediocre to bad shows that get axed after a season, the services instate a business model that actively deminishes the vital connection between cast and writers while also disincentivizing putting in the work to produce something fantastic.
@quenchboi
@quenchboi 11 месяцев назад
We live in an age where tv shows, movies, make a LOT of money. I’m sure streaming has a small impact on the strike, but overall I think it boils down to the top dogs making the money and them not wanting to pay people for their talent. We see it on every profession, and should be calling out the failed system for what it is. Trickle down economics have never, and will never work. Everyone should be paid at the VERY least, enough to live on, not just barely “survive”
@FlabbyTabby
@FlabbyTabby 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, this is the crux of the problem. French Revolution looking real good right now.
@GabeNsApostle
@GabeNsApostle 9 месяцев назад
@@FlabbyTabbyKilling hundreds of thousands for trumped up charges, enabling anarchy in the countryside and installing a Corsican emperor, I think, won’t solve your problems.
@sherylcrowe3255
@sherylcrowe3255 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for a clearer understanding of the issues.
@nottodayisay
@nottodayisay 9 месяцев назад
Fantastic editing! Great video 👏🏼👏🏼
@jellene4eva
@jellene4eva Год назад
This is the side effect of the gig culture seeping into day-to-day jobs. Even programmers are being let go after production
@mfmr200
@mfmr200 11 месяцев назад
it has been like this since forever.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 11 месяцев назад
We’re returning to the days of lining up outside the factory hoping they’ll have work for you that day. Which unions thought they’d put a stop to almost a century ago…
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 11 месяцев назад
I am from the IT industry. Computer programmers are being tossed out due to code automation. Now there is AI to boot.
@dashmeetsingh9679
@dashmeetsingh9679 11 месяцев назад
As a worker in IT industry, our jobs werent there 5 years ago. Hence they wont be there 5 years after. IT industry constantly innovates. Workers need to innovate/re-skill too. I understand its hard getting all the expertise and then throw it all away coz market condition changed. But thats how the industry is.
@aquafinner1505
@aquafinner1505 11 месяцев назад
it’s sad how easily all of us are replaceable
@liasoko503
@liasoko503 11 месяцев назад
We only see actors but rarely appreciate the people behind shows. This video opened up my perspective to films and writing on a whole new level. Thanks Vox.
@weetuscren
@weetuscren 10 месяцев назад
Unfortunately the model of streaming doesn’t work. In a theater each person pays around $20 to see a film. People now expect to be able to see 5-10 films a month for $20, and then they share passwords, so you then have 10+ people wanting to see 5-10 films a month for that same $20 or so. People think they’re sticking it to the Man, but they’re also killing indie production at the same time. Advertising dollars are different now too. When there were only 3-5 options for advertisers they would pay millions, now there are 1000’s of options which causes the cost of advertising to go down. It seems the only way money was being made was through investment in a system that was destined to collapse on itself… and now here we are. Enjoy all the reality TV!
@Gdsamplify
@Gdsamplify 10 месяцев назад
Capitalism has always been about transferring the wealth of the poorest to the rich.
@Shtave3
@Shtave3 10 месяцев назад
I use to rent 10 DVDs for $11 a week... that is essentially the same as streaming price wise.
@RajDeelish
@RajDeelish 10 месяцев назад
Streaming does work; you just need the losers to leave. Less bad streamers, less bad writers, and less bad actors = higher quality content and the writers that are the most talented that are left get paid more.
@trevorwiley5098
@trevorwiley5098 10 месяцев назад
Except people are still going to the movie theatres to see movies and profits from theatre openings are through the roof. And people don't just pay $20 a month for content. They pay for various streaming services which all add up to a total price that was similar to cable TV. The difference being cable TV gave residuals to actors whereas these streaming services do not cause they want to maximise profits
@originstory-earth
@originstory-earth 10 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for this episode
@alicjagrohs2297
@alicjagrohs2297 11 месяцев назад
IMO, streaming also changed the dynamic between the fans and the show. With some network shows I still watch the relationship is so much different. We get teasers from actors and the crew while they're working on the show. The episodes don't come out all at once which means us fans have time to digest them, speculate on what's coming, and be creative with fan art and fanfiction. That I think means we are connected with the shows for longer. With a lot of streaming shows, you get the new season, and you are active in the fandom for week or two after the release and then the excitement slowly fades.
@Defort-jd8xe
@Defort-jd8xe 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, its so much better. Less parasocial weirdos, more shows. Nice.
@bassyey
@bassyey 11 месяцев назад
Animes still operate like that. Which leads to the shows being talked about for longer. They can sell merch for the show for longer too.
@bluebell560
@bluebell560 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, I really miss weekly release schedules.
@vol.145
@vol.145 11 месяцев назад
​@@Defort-jd8xeNope. Interest slowly dies and shows don't get renewed
@DAMNLOLAPEX
@DAMNLOLAPEX 11 месяцев назад
what does that have to do with how people are paid? Those shows are being watched through streaming services day in and day out and the executives of said services are profiting long after the production is over. Even if its less, it makes their overall product (the streaming service) viable and something worth paying for. If netflix needs to change its model to meet the demands of the people required to operate then so be it.
@lindanindebele
@lindanindebele 11 месяцев назад
2:33 - this just made me understand why older shows (e.g. Lost on Disney+) has those random intense buildups and then immediately jump to the next scene 😂. Looks so strange without the ads.
@kaitlinfrank9312
@kaitlinfrank9312 10 месяцев назад
Omg you made me feel so old lol
@rinowx5
@rinowx5 10 месяцев назад
This is honestly just a great time for all American workers to fight back against greed and the class war
@loversonly
@loversonly 10 месяцев назад
Literally, this thing they’re describing exists in every single industry but writers are obviously the only group willing to fight back
@NymeriaDT
@NymeriaDT 10 месяцев назад
Excellent video. Learned alot.
@agalva100
@agalva100 Год назад
The hierarchy here reminds me a lot of the academic system, graduate student-postdoc-assistant professor-associate professor -full professor-professor -emeritus. Also the financial struggles, the need for mobility. 💪 much strength to the writers, I hope you guys find solutions, everyone deserves a living wage
@DirtyPoul
@DirtyPoul 11 месяцев назад
You're right, it totally does! Except professor emeritus. That's just a professor who retired.
@bluematter5850
@bluematter5850 11 месяцев назад
Everyone deserves a living wage
@degotas
@degotas 11 месяцев назад
It's why college exist...
@RaymondHng
@RaymondHng 11 месяцев назад
Where does adjunct professor fit in that scheme?
@The_Beard
@The_Beard 11 месяцев назад
Can't stop thinking about how people tend to complain most about the writers when a show does not meet their expectations but it seems those complaints need to be directed towards the executives making bad decisions about how long they actually need to employ them.
@The_Beard
@The_Beard 9 месяцев назад
@@evilcookie123 I think the Witcher is a good example of what I was talking about - an executive and non writer (in the Witchers case the showrunner) is the one making the poor decision, from what I can tell at least.
@iceman18211
@iceman18211 10 месяцев назад
I hope the strike never ends. No more actors or writers, no more silly movies or TV shows. I prefer this.
@tiawilliams5690
@tiawilliams5690 10 месяцев назад
No one's forcing you to watch TV or movies. Your distaste for the medium doesn't mean that people should starve.
@iceman18211
@iceman18211 10 месяцев назад
@@tiawilliams5690 No one is going to starve there are plenty of other jobs you can get, especially with unemployment in the US at a 60 year low. Heck even great writing is in demand for social media, marketing and sales roles. I'm just annoyed at the decreasing quality and repetitive content of mainstream movies and tv. Don't be melodramatic.
@CarlosJuarez-eb5gx
@CarlosJuarez-eb5gx 10 месяцев назад
​@@iceman18211I agree with you 100%.
@iceman18211
@iceman18211 10 месяцев назад
@@CarlosJuarez-eb5gx I appreciate it :)
@mateoneedham6807
@mateoneedham6807 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for your work, Vox. I appreciate your in-depth reporting.
@matthewbeardsley7004
@matthewbeardsley7004 Год назад
And that's why I left film...it's not just writers and actors, it's everyone...you work for maybe 10 weeks (if you're lucky), then spend 3 months finding another gig...So you might be paid well while working, but over the year it's not great
@TheCabledawg1
@TheCabledawg1 11 месяцев назад
Writers make plenty of money. You never see bricklayers go on strike. Writers wine too much about making over 100K a year.
@kingace6186
@kingace6186 11 месяцев назад
Manga writer here. I've always thought the week-to-week/month work ethic that mangaka operate under was harsh. For weekly manga chapters, for example, writers/artists work 6-7 days a week, every week, to produce ~20 pages of story per chapter. As you can guess there is a lot of overworking in the manga industry, especially since its hypercompetitive market means stories get axed ALL THE TIME if they can't gain enough traction. Meaning, the success rate is low; the karoshi ("overwork death") is high. But now I also realize that I, personally, prefer having the stability of a schedule based on weekly/monthly serialization. I get paid per chapter/page to get me by. Then, when chapters get compiled into volume form every four-month (9-11 chapters for weekly, 4 chapters for monthly), I get a direct cut of that as well. (Volume sales are how we really eat in the manga game). Then there are royalties for merch & licensing, IP cut for movie adaptions, & volume resales. Anime adaptions help bring exposure to the original source, too. My main point is that *as long as manga writers/artists are successful* then we don't have to worry about not getting paid for months at a time.
@MrmerryPippin-tw6rv
@MrmerryPippin-tw6rv 11 месяцев назад
@@TheCabledawg1 not every writer. Maybe some feature writers but when the executives are cutting costs and making shorter work times, you couldn’t be more wrong. Are you a bricklayer? If you work a trade, you prob make good money, and work labor jobs and should understand standing up for workers rights. if you’re making a comfortable salary pencil pushing at a desk pushing the keyboard, you are so far removed from this world you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you don’t make a lot of money in a job you hate… that’s on you, different life choices could have been made.
@benceze
@benceze Год назад
At least they can strike, visual effects artists cry themselves to sleep every night.
@TonyPombo
@TonyPombo 11 месяцев назад
This is an example of why nearly all workers in all fields need to be unionized. It's the only way to protect the interest of the workers.
@JMarylin88
@JMarylin88 9 месяцев назад
That's very interesting video. I now understand much better their situation and I definitely stand by it.
@josegabrielortizrojas3669
@josegabrielortizrojas3669 10 месяцев назад
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING IT!
@DarshanBhambhani
@DarshanBhambhani Год назад
Love how whenever there’s an up and coming new type of jobs in the US it always gets abused by big corporations because that’s just their nature
@scottmcfarlane7524
@scottmcfarlane7524 Год назад
up and coming?? WHAT the guild has been around since 1933
@andrewfarrell6120
@andrewfarrell6120 Год назад
Writing is an up and coming new type of job?
@lynnturman8157
@lynnturman8157 Год назад
Yep. They have to destroy everything in their path.
@shui577
@shui577 11 месяцев назад
@@andrewfarrell6120 writing shows for streaming specifically, not the act of writing itself
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 11 месяцев назад
Happened with motion pictures, happened with broadcast television, is happening with streaming. They never think long term about what will keep production good, they just try to cash grab for as long as possible any time a new format arrives.
@pistolcucapse
@pistolcucapse 11 месяцев назад
It would be nice to make a report on the other writers strike, from 2007 I think. See how things changed, what was achieved then and how are things now etc
@chupacabra77
@chupacabra77 11 месяцев назад
That strike was about "new media"... what we now call streaming services. If the writers hadn't struck in 2007, none of the streaming services would be hiring union writers, which probably means the union would be gone by now.
@thembelandesi4741
@thembelandesi4741 10 месяцев назад
This was well explained, thx!
@marcymarc1981
@marcymarc1981 4 месяца назад
Fascinating, thank you.
@kennethsoshi03
@kennethsoshi03 11 месяцев назад
*It's sad that it's been a month and still they did not get what they deserve. 🥺*
@calypso
@calypso 11 месяцев назад
They dont deserve jackshit, better havr AI write everything instead of these woke clowns
@somerandompersonhi2028
@somerandompersonhi2028 11 месяцев назад
The 1960 WGA strike lasted 148 days so it's not abnormally long yet.
@paolabueso
@paolabueso 11 месяцев назад
@@somerandompersonhi2028 Thanks for sharing that. Now I’m wondering… how can they afford to be on strike for this long in 2023?!
@waltlock8805
@waltlock8805 11 месяцев назад
The strike has to last at least 8 weeks so networks can start cancelling projects. The writers really picked a bad time to go on strike - pretty much every service is already slashing costs.
@thecosmichiroshi
@thecosmichiroshi 11 месяцев назад
Not to mention, most of LA (the news, the corporations, officials, and most of society so dependent on an expected flow of content) are already on the side of the companies so it might make things far worse for writers and creatives that are underpaid. It's impressive that creatives can even afford to strike at all since cost of living (gas, housing (ESPECIALLY rent), commuting, food, etc.) is so insanely high. My props go to those organizing the strike likely sacrificing any and all credibility in Hollywood to fight for justice that creatives have long needed for decades.
@CuriosityRover77
@CuriosityRover77 Год назад
As a consumer I want 20+ episode seasons back. A lot of shows feel rushed and have a lack of good character development due to the 10 episode streaming standard we have now.
@kflowers8276
@kflowers8276 11 месяцев назад
As a consumer, I don't. I think 20+ episodes are bloated wastes that could have been easily cut down for better, tighter story writing. I've watched 8 episode shows that were bloated, I've watched others that could have used 1 more episode to make it great. It all depends on how well you tell the story. Maybe there is a fully fleshed out 20+ episode season without bloat, but I honestly can't think of one. In the end, I think there's room for both.
@michaelahurt
@michaelahurt 11 месяцев назад
Depends on the type of show I think. Streaming sitcoms specifically really need more episodes to breath and are the ones that always feel rushed to me. Which makes sense as they are 25 min not 50-60 and also tend to be slower paced than dramas. Schitt’s Creek and Ted Lasso are exceptions but I think it’s notable the one or more of the actors serve as writers/creators on those shows and Creek was 13+ episodes per season while Lasso often had longer run times. Even S1 - by far the shortest runtimes - was the equivalent of 14 22-minute episodes
@stev6963
@stev6963 11 месяцев назад
I also think it depends on the type of show. A 10 episode season of a 1-hour show is sufficient. But I do love the comedy TV sitcoms that had 20 episode seasons at 22 minute run time. It gives way for more character development, stories, and obviously more content to consume which is valuable time with the characters you have come to love. Shows like The Office, Community, Parks & Recreation, Modern Family all had 20 episode seasons at some point and they were better (and we were lucky) for it.
@AS-kf1ol
@AS-kf1ol 11 месяцев назад
I agree, particularly for dramas or scifi/fantasy. They don't put nearly enough work into building out the characters, context, universe, etc.
@kingace6186
@kingace6186 11 месяцев назад
True. I used to think it helped the writers make more focused stories but now it just feels like the opposite. It just feels like robbing both the writers and the consumers.
@atakkuuuuu
@atakkuuuuu 10 месяцев назад
Sounds exactly like the animation industry and what animators have to go through. Makes me wonder why animators dont get paid residuals either? They act out the characters but on paper/digital media.
@ianhomerpura8937
@ianhomerpura8937 10 месяцев назад
They're the next ones to go on strike. It will only be a matter of time.
@Garland67
@Garland67 10 месяцев назад
Great video and very informative.
@reddy272
@reddy272 11 месяцев назад
This was great overall, but I really wish they had covered mini-rooms. So many stories of not being hired on shows as full time staff after they write the show, instead getting cheaper less experienced writers for production.
@jenniferf1518
@jenniferf1518 Год назад
This video was really helpful in understanding what's going on. Stay strong writers!
@queenofthesalt5199
@queenofthesalt5199 11 месяцев назад
While I have 0 experience as a show writer- from what this talks about, it sounds very much different from what I do for a living- there are a few things about writers BEING ON SET that should be crucial. As previously mentioned, the actor is trying to conjure up the IDEA of what a character is in the head of the writer. They have their own agency, but the writer absolutely helps with that. If the actor doesn’t know what to do, it sounds like they go to the writers for help on that, which is crucial. In long-form story, one thing you go through is redrafting- when the entire story is written out, for the first time, you go back through, effectively rewriting the book, and refine the story down to its crucial points. You cut what isn’t necessary, you add what makes things hit harder later, and you make it all cohesive. This sounds similar to what a show writer does during production, and I just want to say that if doing that refinement is anywhere near similar to what a writer on set is doing, then not hiring them during those weeks, as the FOREMOST EXPERTS ON THE STORY BEING TOLD, is moronic at the very best.
@ghanyathomas9538
@ghanyathomas9538 10 месяцев назад
“While women and BIPOC writers have made significant hiring progress over the last decade, men, and white men in particular, remain predominant in both the higher levels of TV employment and in features.” Source: WG Equity Report 2022
@undercoverduck
@undercoverduck Год назад
Support the strikers! It will be a long and arduous process. Don't let your support waver. It'll only mean good things for the shows you love in the long run.
@blazer9547
@blazer9547 Год назад
Workers won't be automatically right, they have to have legitimate cause just like everyone else
@mainaccount4585
@mainaccount4585 Год назад
​@@blazer9547 Idk, like wanting better pay and working conditions?
@brianjohnson6053
@brianjohnson6053 11 месяцев назад
@@mainaccount4585 lol its not like their digging ditches
@undercoverduck
@undercoverduck 11 месяцев назад
@@blazer9547 I don't think it's appropriate, as an outsider, to argue whether any strike is justifiable. It's impossible to truly grasp the scope of the problems when those problems do not affect you. Organized efforts like a strike aren't easy to pull off. When enough people see a reason to complain to the point where they are willing to put down their work and face the consequences of not getting paid, it's always better to listen to those complaints rather than scrutinize the validity of those complaints. A conflict like this won't ever be resolved if the people in charge refuse to listen and make due changes.
@Fantastic_Stranger
@Fantastic_Stranger Год назад
I read an article on how shows nowadays don’t need as many writers and how streaming services only hire about two or three because of something called a mini room. Haven’t seen the vid yet, wonder if they’ll talk about this.
@tmitchem81
@tmitchem81 Год назад
Most of the best shows still have a nice staff of wtiters. Most of the popular, non-reality or niche shows, still have writers.
@zncon
@zncon 11 месяцев назад
So it sounds like a more efficient writing process was invented, and this reduced the demand for writers. This is just the way it goes, and when it happens to other industries people are told not to get in the way of progress, and learn a new job. New working models on one side, and AI on the other doesn't leave much room to fight for higher pay. It looks like many writers are becoming horses in the beginning of the age of the car. Some will still be around, but they're not vital any more.
@fabio.santos
@fabio.santos 11 месяцев назад
If mini rooms can do a good job I don’t see a problem, if the job deteriorate that another thing. ( when I say job I mean making a good serie/show)
@ishaltimelapse6190
@ishaltimelapse6190 10 месяцев назад
I didn't understand in the beginning but now i do, and we are with you
@adamstewart247
@adamstewart247 10 месяцев назад
As bad as this is....the music industry was hit 1000x worse by streaming
@stev6963
@stev6963 11 месяцев назад
I can’t believe there are actually people out there who think that staff writers are part of the “Hollywood elite” and think they’re just being greedy with this strike. Idiotic people like that have no idea how the real world actually functions and it’s important for people to see videos like this that show that writers are severely undervalued and need a considerable change for the industry to succeed. Television is a writer’s medium. There would be NONE of your favorite TV shows without them.
@laurat1129
@laurat1129 11 месяцев назад
In LA, a writer of one’s favorite show by day… might also be one’s Uber driver by night.
@Hedgehobbit
@Hedgehobbit 11 месяцев назад
This video confirms that writers are part of the Hollywood elite and are just being greedy. They are literally asking for 40 weeks of pay for 10 weeks of work.
@justinguffey6805
@justinguffey6805 11 месяцев назад
"There would be NONE of your favorite TV shows without them." No, the void will just be filled with other people who don't have the same high demands. Writing isn't some mysterious hidden trait one can only learn by searching the depths of mordor. Time changes things, technology changes things. History has shown (especially recently), if you don't adapt and overcome.. you get left in the dust. The way TV was written a century ago can't and won't be sustained forever.
@ct6852
@ct6852 11 месяцев назад
Certainly nothing worth watching. Good writing is the heart of any project worth it's existence.
@laurat1129
@laurat1129 11 месяцев назад
@@justinguffey6805 Hey, GenZer genius! There was no TV "a century ago". But you go on there, troll. All you did was prove your own writing isn't any good. TL;DR.😴
@cellano5223
@cellano5223 11 месяцев назад
I want 20+ episodes back. I miss those days.
@hach2023
@hach2023 10 месяцев назад
Good explanation.
@javianjohnson8746
@javianjohnson8746 11 месяцев назад
Aha! So this 2:45 - 3:01 explains why Netflix series are usually between 8 - 12 episodes nowadays! All about the commercial (or lack thereof). Thank you for this explanation
@RoseJetExhaust
@RoseJetExhaust Год назад
What infuriates me about all of this is that writers, writing, any facet of art involved in producing TV shows is commercialised as much as possible. Art ceases to be art, it leans more into entertainment. The big money is made with entertainment and thus talented writers with good stories end up with smaller amounts of money to realise their projects.
@sryan9547
@sryan9547 11 месяцев назад
I mean it is and has always been primarily entertainment. If the art is not entertaining then it's not good art either because nobody will want to look at it.
@RoseJetExhaust
@RoseJetExhaust 11 месяцев назад
@@sryan9547 Understandable, but I do not want to live in a world where art is only good when people like it. Art should also make people uncomfortable or challenge them; art is to be experienced, not always enjoyed right away.
@mandolina786
@mandolina786 11 месяцев назад
@@sryan9547 Sometimes we need different stories, companies don't want to set a different story model for a particular movie, that's why movies nowadays look boring and same. And more and more people are complaining about it regardless of their political views.
@officialsynthwaverecords8284
@officialsynthwaverecords8284 11 месяцев назад
@@sryan9547horrible take
@9395gb
@9395gb 11 месяцев назад
​@@RoseJetExhaust people have to make money, though. Lol. A studio can't spend millions on every artsy project with no return. They would go bankrupt. And there avenues for more independent and artsy film projects like independent theaters and film festivals (which most major cities have).
@sapphyrus
@sapphyrus Год назад
It always amazed me that a creator gets paid less than one character they created.
@tiago_db_silva
@tiago_db_silva 11 месяцев назад
no, the characters don't get paid, the actors do
@sapphyrus
@sapphyrus 11 месяцев назад
@@tiago_db_silva Which is a job they’d never have if the writer didn’t include their part.
@kristi4909
@kristi4909 11 месяцев назад
It is sad. 15000 an episode.😢 how in the world are they going to feed their children?
@9395gb
@9395gb 11 месяцев назад
​@@sapphyrus I'm sorry but writing is not as hard or challenging as acting or being the face of the show that brings in the revenue.
@sapphyrus
@sapphyrus 11 месяцев назад
@@9395gb With no writing, there is nothing. Production also isn’t as challenging but they get the most money since without funding there is also nothing. Everything except these two is interchangeable. You can make it an animation and cut the actors, you can’t cut the story.
@pepperpattynaise
@pepperpattynaise 11 месяцев назад
This is besides the point, but its amazing that this has spanish audio too! Now I can share this video with so many people that dont speak English, this is awesome! Thank you so much!
@reginayfavors
@reginayfavors 10 месяцев назад
This is really educational. Thank you.
@mcoburn5
@mcoburn5 Год назад
Considering that many people consider much recent writing from Hollywood to be poor in quality, it seems like more than one thing needs to change in how professional writing works.
@KikomochiMendoza
@KikomochiMendoza 11 месяцев назад
The writers are the heart of any TV or Movie that we see. Directors and Actors may get all the huge accolades and fan fare but they can't do sh@ without a story, and that takes a storyteller, a writer.
@jae6506
@jae6506 10 месяцев назад
The writers and actors need to get what they’re entitled to. This is a clear injustice! How can the same studios who claim to not have enough money to pay the backbone of their industry then turn around and tell their shareholders that they’re raking in record-breaking profits. Both can’t be true…
@1029blue
@1029blue 10 месяцев назад
I've been a fan of The X-Files since the '90s, and I'm so grateful for the show's writers. When you saw a name like Frank Spotnitz or Vince Gilligan in the credits, you knew it was going to be a good one. I don't know if writers are still recognized as much with these new TV show formats. Breaks between the (long) seasons were torture but built up excitement for what was to come next. I'm sure being able to binge everything right away takes away from the excitement of desperately waiting for the next season and makes people less emotionally involved with a show.
@nrjohnsocam
@nrjohnsocam Год назад
Streaming is the "fast fashion" of entertainment 😲
@mho...
@mho... Год назад
basicall, luckily they will be replaced by AI soon enough!
@melin4ted_bookworm632
@melin4ted_bookworm632 Год назад
I gotta agree with this 1 😂😂😂
@zyansheep
@zyansheep Год назад
Whats the "actual fashion" of entertainment?
@KenrickLeiba
@KenrickLeiba 11 месяцев назад
I disagree. I think in many ways tv is getting better because of streaming. Particularly due to shorter seasons and better long story arcs. That doesn’t mean there isn’t trash out their, but I think best shows now are better than the best shows of the past. Far less filler episodes.
@fabio.santos
@fabio.santos 11 месяцев назад
Although the golden age of streaming series is dead, network tv still loves procedurals, and are still lower “quality” of streaming ones, the problem with streaming platform is dilution of content combined with cancellation of big budget series to not pay actors higher salaries, because everyone loves free content/products and don’t want to pay the “real” price.
@daniellesve5595
@daniellesve5595 Год назад
Can't studios have their own staff writers? It seems like it's the same in every industry - the people making the real money are afraid to share.
@Zak.Sparrow
@Zak.Sparrow Год назад
Or the writers just need to look for another project. Seems like they should get compensated by the success of the show and it's view count should be a factor.
@madelineward6582
@madelineward6582 Год назад
They can, which is what's so ridiculous about all of this.
@peterparker9954
@peterparker9954 Год назад
EAT THE RICH
@kflowers8276
@kflowers8276 11 месяцев назад
@@Zak.Sparrow Yeah, I don't think writers are going to be able to get around the need to work on multiple projects; however, I do think keeping them on during production would be a benefit.
@Alusnovalotus
@Alusnovalotus 11 месяцев назад
Not afraid. They think they deserve the most.
@arichison
@arichison 10 месяцев назад
Eye opening. Wow! There would be no great shows without great writing. Like Frasier, West Wing, Beef, etc.
@sulaimanhusainful
@sulaimanhusainful 10 месяцев назад
I understand that their situations are difficult, today. I've been in that similar situations, too, many years ago. Television production business is always tough since long time ago. That's why I changed my career in book publishing industry. The challenges are not as hard as in the TV show business. I hope all problems are solved and many people are happy. Insya Allah!
@tink2805
@tink2805 Год назад
Unfortunately the disparity between the top older generation and bottom new generation of workers is huge in so many different professions, the writers are not the only ones who are in this position. As a whole the world we knew is changing and we all will have to find different ways of making income, there will be times of uncertainty and the old way is gone.
@HKim0072
@HKim0072 Год назад
There are good charts out there that show the decline of union jobs and correlation of the decline of middle class incomes. We are basically ruled by corporations now.
@marcial.1636
@marcial.1636 10 месяцев назад
I miss that shows used to be 22 episodes. Having waiting week to week watching show months on end seems unheard of now.
@omarvaldez2019
@omarvaldez2019 11 месяцев назад
In short writers work are getting the same treatment as gig workers
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