How strong is Gilgamesh? 

Your wank him so high And forgot to ask do you play fate extra ccc It has some bad translation and yeah I will send you scans if you want about ccc Gilgamesh or link to that web

nine-tailed Tamamo beat the shit out of the Moon Cell's Core with a kick that is literally described as being as powerful as a solar flare. (cracking sound, Tamamo's theme started playing) ???: That kind of ending, HOLD IT RIGHT THEREEE!! Revere me, revere me~! Uka no Mitama also greatly recognized and approved~! Super express SCRAMBLE straight from the imperial tomb of the Yellow Emperor, I finally arrived with the thousand light years dash!! (more cracking sound) ???: Hah, that Time Barrier (1) or whatever doesn't matter, just call me and I will burst right in! Nah, it's not like I wasn't invited or anything though...❤ (even more cracking sound) ???: Nevertheless, even if the world acknowledged your sacrifice for world peace, God doesn't acknowledge such things! If you take what belong to me, I will take it back. I will retaliate until I win. If I screwed the rules then I will change the rules itself!! This is the spirit of my beloved! Prepare yourself, the obstacle before me! Take this FLARE SKIRT------!!! (a bunch of cracking sound and something definitely broken) …..She did it. She freaking did it…. She completely ignored the time axis, law of cause and effect, consistency, all of those. My Caster just did something disastrous Tamamo: Eh? How did I come to rescue you? To put it more correctly, I taught the stubborn Moon Cell a lesson by kicking it hard, did you see that? Afterall, a younger brother must obey his older sister (2)! That spinning kick, the official name is FLARE SKIRT BUNKER BUSTER (3), it can cause extremely high pressure on underground constructs… ….I-Is that s-so… Basically, Caster bursted into the Moon Cell's Core by bruteforce and rescued me. As a result, rather than being out of service completely, the Moon Cell changed its way (4). Tamamo: Ugh, you figured it out. As expected from my darling, you're as sharp as always. The truth is, about that. To save my darling, I had to regain my 9 tails form, right? So I went through 1000 years of sage training to level up, really worth it. I got my tails back and conquered the Moon Cell. Japanese name: Manifestation of girl's power as powerful as a solar flare.

Let me debunk moon cell The Moon Cell doesn't contain infinite universes, it observes infinite possibilities, and stores them inside itself as data in the form of light. Destroying the Moon Cell or the Reality Marbles it created does in no way equate to destroying those infinite possibilities. Moreover, Gilgamesh apparently destroying the Moon Cell's RM is something that only happens in attack animations, and is never stated or eluded to actually happen in the story proper. And the Moon Cell's actual reality warping capabilities are very limited for something that is getting wanked into an infinite multiversal thing. They are as follows according to Nasu in Fate/EXTRA Material: It would take it about 10 years just to do something as simple "making all the girls on Earth my little sisters". And it just changes societies so that things are now like that, so it's not that it needed 10 years of loading time to rewrite the universe, it simple changes things little by little until your wish is actualized. And if your wish is too crazy, it cannot actually make it even real, it just manages and directs Earth so that a device capable of allowing you to experience that dream realistically is made. Basically, instead of rewriting reality like any true multiversal reality warper, it just builds you a Matrix, and not even instantly at that. Now, the Moon Cell can indeed rewrite the physical laws to some extent, but not to one that would allow it to defeat even a single Z fighter. Seriously, just use some basic logic, the Moon Cell was unable to defeat Velber and Sefar by itself. Yet Excalibur's planet-guarding power was able to defeat the White Titan. A mere giant energy discharge weapon, which we have no reason to believe is anything beyond planet level or star level at absolute best, and that already feels like a stretch. In fact, both Amaterasu and 7th Stage Sefar are stated to have an amount of energy on the level of the sun. And suddenly somehow the Moon Cell is multiversal? Go home boy, u drunk. Heck, the amount of light/data the Moon Cell has stored isn't enough to fill even a single universe. And Gilgamesh never one shotted either BB and Kiara. BB's fight is not described, and Kiara was only defeated because the Alter Egos she absorbed within herself rebelled so she didn't hurt Hakuno. Before attaining the Mythology Mystic Code Gilgamesh himself admitted that he's no match for BB, and in the instance in which he used Ea in the story, the Moon Cell's Reality Marble was perfectly fine and dandy. And the EXTRA and CCC timelines fit perfectly within Extella, Gilgamesh references the events in the Far Side of the Moon, as do Hakuno and Tamamo.

CCC meaning?

@@dragopain4299 title of the game. It’s the abbreviation for BBs phantasm

Overkill 😂

Bankai + Astral Weapon + Astral Regulator + Lantern Rings(all) + All Mandarin Rings + All infinity stones( including ego and others) + Venuzodonoa + Wings of Annihilation + God Killer Armor + Sword of heroes?/seal?(used by Basura) + Red Dragon Emperor Sacred Gear(Multiplication of ) + White Dragon Emperor Sacred Gear( division of) + All holy swords sacred gear (Excalibur,durandal etc) + Genesis Class Veldanava Sword + Outer-Elder God summoning via Vel + Mobius System = an absolute menace

Well, I'm gonna go make a fate comic of him counting his weapons lollolololololol and since EVERYTHING IS CANON ITS CANON. *Writes dumb fanfics and dies*

Personally I believe if he were to travel to another media he would gain access to all the weapons from that media

He's got dragon balls and Bamboo copters in his gob 😂

I mean, his GoB retroactively adds new weapons and overall treasures humanity creates to the vaults, so I imagine if he were to travel to another world, the vaults would then update to have the treasures of humanity in that world too.

If I don’t have the scans or understand the argument I don’t typically say it. I didn’t go hard into outer Gil or expand on the outer stuff to stay consistent

I have a discord server with all my Gilgamesh scans and I have more than what’s in the video since I always find more

@@chidorim4st3r5 could you send me? ineed gilgamesh scale

@@penguingameplays6253 what’s your discord?

@@chidorim4st3r5 eatstarplatinumraw#0307 though i heard they were gonna change that system im not really sure thanks btw

I’ve made an Ainz video if you haven’t already seen it. I personally see him in the Country-Planetary ranges but there are arguments for universal. Saw a comment on the Ainz video that made a good universal argument but I haven’t read too far into overlords novels

@@chidorim4st3r5 I'll watch it and another series was a webtoon called tower of god where the author states that this character moves light speed and on the vs pages thing they would have the administrators as continental but they are kind of so of the mark it ain't even true and I have frequently seen the vs rankings be so inaccurate w people posting versus shit on the reddit just to shit on other series without caring for the other shows power ranking. Sorry for the long reply and nice vid 😉

Literally, when i heard rimuru defeats goku i was so confused as anime rimuru looked barley country level but when i read ln i was like bro goku is not surviving against him

It's just a matter of cosmology that decides how powerful a character is for example in fate it may seem like they are only planetary but since fate earth is protected by gaia so the cosmology becomes way greater than others which places fate characters upto outer

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Heck yah

DBS' cosmology is way higher tha' fate's lol

​@@sirenhead4272no it isn't

Superman solos the fate series.

​@@justinhunter7125no lol Superman gets neged DC cosmology got Debunk to 6D

I would pay millons to see them both interacting each other

He's 2/3rds god, but he distanced humanity from the gods? But he doesn't hate them (unless they're Ishtar) and overall respects them, but felt that humanity would be better off without them?

In the future for sure

Not to mention you have to beat her before she uses her np or you lose

Yeah, BB is practically omnipotent on Moon Cell so in fact Gilgamesh even with the Mythological Mystic Code doesn't have that much of a chance, but it doesn't change the fact that he really defeated her, of course with help, but defeated and also doesn't mean that he was weak under no circumstances after all as I said BB was practically omnipotent so just being able to defeat her even under these circumstances already puts him at an absurd power level, and also giving credit to: Nero, Tamamo no Mae and EMIYA who did the same with the Mythological Mystic Code, although in my opinion Gilgamesh is at least a little above them in power.

I’d probably make an Artoria video and mention some of the variants. Idk about a hole separate one for just lancer artoria

I do have the image of her bypassing time and stuff or the dialogue box. Just didn’t have it at the time I made the video I don’t think. And I only knew the context after watching SethTheProgramers artoria scaling video

Yes she did. I did not know about that until I saw it in SethTheProgrammer’s fate scaling video

yea thats where I saw that too@@chidorim4st3r5

There’s nothing to say he can’t. He’d theoretically have weapons which can utilize them. I haven’t looked in to seeing specific elemental abilities

​@@chidorim4st3r5he can Babylonia lol

Grand order anime. Babylonia

There’s not a massive amount more I could say. Without going into more of the lore of the weapon. In terms of power scaling, there’s not that much I can do.

@@chidorim4st3r5 ok I have doubt. There are many arguments that "venuzdonoa" the sword which can destroy logic, reason and destroy anything which is infinite, etc. is stronger than ea (from the misfit of the demon king academy). is it stronger than ea or ea is stronger than venuzdonoa.

In the original route he loses the will to fight against Saber because he basically loses interest in fighting her when she wasn’t able to defy him. In UBW it’s some stupid plot based thing on ‘love’ and ‘passion infused strikes’. And he doesn’t take the fight seriously until he is completely caught off guard. I can’t remember the exact statement for heavens feel though. This is stuff stated in guides and extra material. A little bit of cope but I guess they have to make the main character win somehow

@@chidorim4st3r5 ok thank you 🙏 . Kinda weird they make him that powerful in the first place but I still love the show

Ea can't bypass Avalon since it's meant to block something that defeats an Ultimate One and that's how he lost in Fate Route In UBW, he lost because his hubris of not taking Shirou at the last minute with him throwing low grade weapons enough for UBW's projection to parry them and Shirou not giving Gil a moment to compose himself Heaven's Feel is where he lost because entirely he didn't finish the job fast enough. The moment he realized what he's up against, he's already swallowed by the Shadow

He can't beat Saber because she had Avalon the scabbard, which works by taking Artoria into Avalon the dimension to protect her, and Avalon the place is the one place that Ea conceptually cannot reach. He lost to Shirou because he let his pride overwhelm his common sense, so he didn't even show up to the fight in armor, didn't use any unique weapons (only fired generic swords, axes, etc), didn't fire as many weapons as he can (we've seen him opening hundreds-thousands of portals casually, and yet he didn't use more than like 70 at a time against Shirou), didn't use his strongest weapon (he could've literally ended the fight before it began) and he ignored his clairvoyance (in his arrogance, he threw away any vision it gave him where he didn't succeed). And he lost to Sakura because he just didn't take her seriously at all, all he saw was a tormented girl, and so he assumed he'd just put her out of her misery, and thus he didn't use anything to protect himself, and definitely didn't even think of pulling out Ea. Simply put, he's one of the most powerful beings in the series, and yet he's also a prideful, arrogant little douchebag.

As it says it re creates the miracle of genesis

Ea represents the authority of world and civilization building, that's the miracle, "the miracle of genesis." At it's theoretical full power it can entirely rewrite the human texture, just Gil cannot use it at this level due to not being a True God.

The series can be pretty inconsistent. There are a lot of contradicting statements that nerf the characters. But these inconsistencies are countered by lore and other series’ which are canon to each other.

The grand order game likes to throw around the word concept like crazy. A lot of stuff and characters within the series, even if you disagree with the strength of the characters, are extremely haxd with crazy abilities

He's strong because he's the owner of every Weapons given and known to Man, making him an ideal killer for Servants due to his versatility But if it comes to straight on combat of skills, he's barely enough to handle a suicidal 17 year old who started Swordsmanship few days prior

Never seen Re:Zero

@@chidorim4st3r5 the LN is amazing u have to watch and read it tbh

I mean, even without his weapons, he's a demi-god who was keeping up with Enkidu, who had ridiculous speed, plus his clairvoyance would allow him to know literally everything he needs to use to win and have it ready.

The versus battle wiki says that their imeasurable speed definition is that you can move beyond linear time. Solomons temple is beyond time as well as outside of time. Gilgamesh likely has immeasurable speed as he’s able to move in places that are beyond time and space while also existing off of the time axis. Since he is able to move in a space that is beyond and outside of time. And is also movement in non linear time. Character stats also says the same. “The ability to move at a speed unbound by linear time entirely, and thus cannot be measured using the basic speed formula” Vs wiki saying: “Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured”

@@chidorim4st3r5 yea. "linear time" meaning that time has to be present and moving in a straight line. Immeasurable speed isn't gained by moving in places without time. But by being able to go anywhere and anywhen by pure speed. Immeasurable speed is basically time travel and time stop combined. A vs battle wiki administrator (DarkDragonMedeus) also said this: "Time being screwed, distorted, reversed, or erased/destroyed technically causes even finite speed characters to move at immeasurable speed characters. A character needs to be able to move through time as if the past, present, and future is just the present even if time is normally flowing. Timeless voids actually argue against characters being infinite or immeasurable technically speaking."

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Any and all song changes are at the bottom of the screen when the track starts. The are tracks from katana zero

If a character is 4D or higher then they would, at least depending on if you think time is the 4th dimension or a temporal one. Generally 4D-5D (aka low multi to multiversal) is considered transcending time and space. If you transcend the concepts then that’s another story I have CCC Gilgamesh 8D to outerversal

@@chidorim4st3r5 thank you for the information! Your explanation really saved me a lot of time!

No idea what you’re talking about. I know extremely little scaling or even general lore for transformers

There is a lot wrong with this but I am going to start with addressing the big one. Caliburn is not a Divine Construct as it was the Sword in the Stone created by Merlin. In fact, we know that Gilgamesh has it because the games directly tell you that Gram is its prototype with Gilgamesh having both of them. He even possesses Merodach: The Original Sin which is the original "Sword of Selection" from which both Gram and Caliburn are derived. The sword you are talking about is Excalibur which was the sword Arturia received after breaking Caliburn and was later returned to the Lady of the Lake by Bedivere. Excalibur was made by the Earth and Faeries (which aren't divine spirits but instead closer to elementals, yes there is a difference) and is a Divine Construct. A lot of people think that Gilgamesh doesn't have Excalibur, but that is just headcanon because there is actually no reason for him not to have it. There are already many examples of Divine Constructs being in his vault such as Vajira and Hades' Cap of Invisibility with Fate/Strange Fake even saying that he possesses all the works of gods and man. The only real requirement is that the Phantasm must have fallen into human hands at some point which Excalibur definitely did so he should have it in his vault. The only Noble Phantasm that we know is an exception to the rule is Karna's Vasavi Shakti because its description directly tells us that it is, otherwise it would also be in the Gate of Babylon. Also, in regards to Heakles' God Hand, I believe that it was only stated in the anime that Gilgamesh doesn't have it which honestly doesn't make sense. The reason he has the prototypes of all Noble Phantasms in the first place is because as the First Hero he owns the legends of all other heroes, with a Noble Phantasm being the manifestation of a hero's legend. So God Hand being related to Herakles' legend directly, whatever that means, shouldn't prevent Gilgamesh from having it. The same also goes for the One Shot ability of Gae Bolg, Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death, as even Scathach possesses a prototype of it. From the Type-Moon Wiki: "Scáthach has not only one, but two specialized weapons similar to the spear that Cú Chulainn possesses. Known as Gáe Bolg Alternative, they are one step older than Cú's model. When the True Name is activated, its capabilities combine the two functions of Cú Chulainn (Lancer)'s Noble Phantasm, Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death and Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death." A lot of people get his Collecter EX skill, which gives him everything that was created by humanity, confused with his nature as the First Hero, which gives him the prototype of every Heroic Spirit's Noble Phantasm. They are not the same, one gives him everything in Column A while the other gives him everything in Column B with something being in both columns.

@@zacharyt.2694 The dead canon is because in Fate/Stay Night he specifically says he can't use/produce Excalibur to Tokiomi, but that he it doesn't matter he can just find something in his Gate that will do the same thing. Vimana, his ship, were gifted to humans by the Gods so certain sages could visit heaven in Vedic tradition. The Helm was Gifted to Perseus by Athena. He also can't use The Bull of Heaven which he has seen Ishtar use because it was never given to humanity, or stolen by them. I guess I maybe got confused by the wording used to describe Caliburn, as it is described specifically as "A weapon that was shattered and will never exist again" I know about Gram, but Gram is just what the sword is made to look like, and the Merodach which power it uses, but Merodach can completely shatter Caliburn. I will maintain my stance that Gilgamesh doesn't have things that were never given to humanity, as that's what Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon's description is. All the knowledge and wealth of humanity. Since he never even thinks about using things the Gods can use and only turns to Ea when he is pushed into a corner. If he could use the Bull of Heaven instead of Ea I am sure he would.

@EdietheKitty 1. To clarify, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Nasu came out tomorrow and said that Excalibur isn't in the GoB because it's so special. It is just with the information we currently have there is no reason for it not to be in the Gate, especially since Enkidu's Age of Babylon profile states that the GoB contains the necessary materials for Enkidu to recreat Excalibur. 2. It is explicitly stated that Merodach, Gram, and Caliburn are all "swords of selection" and thus related to each other. 3. I never stated that Gilgamesh would have something like Gugalanna. He wouldn't for two main reasons, Gugalanna is a god himself, and summoning/ controlling him is based on Ishtar's Authority, which Gilgamesh wouldn't have. I was mainly talking about Divine Constructs, which are not always connected to a god's Authority. I do, however, agree that we should limit it to ones that we know he has or ones that we know have been possessed by humanity/heroic spirits. Also, in regards to Gugalanna again, I also don't know how Nasu would handle sentient NP like the ones Riders usually have, so that is just a big "???".

@@zacharyt.2694 Yeah, Merodach and Gram are stated to be what Caliburn was modeled for, so I admit to that short-coming easily. As for AoB versus GoB, Enkidu's AoB ability was to make any weapon on par with a NP from the earth by the authority of the Gods, whereas GoB has every "original prototype" of NPs, so that's a weird one too, his power is basically the same as the Faeries to make NPs from the same clay he was born of, so I could see AoB being able to reproduce somehting like Excalibur since it'd be like the same Origin or whatever. Enkidu's AoB is the power to make any weapon needed to defeat his enemy, but the limitation of GoB is that is contains anything that belonged to humans at some point in history, or future. So purely my opinion would be Excalibur never belonged to a Human, when Arturia pulled Caliburn she ceased to be human, and when it as Excalibur was to be returned to the Lady of the Lake Bedervere for fear of losing his king never returned it, and asked Merlin to disguise it until he could take care of Goddess Rhongomyniad which Arturia turned into because of the broken covenant of Excalibur. So it never really belonged to humans, and I will say that is purely my conjecture. Hahaha.

@@zacharyt.2694 we know that he can't produce a noble phantasm that is created by the feats of a hero as mentioned with Heracles' Twelve Labors, and he is unable to use the one hit kill of the Gae Bolg NP because that was in part created by Cu Culain too. So there is a lot of weirdness in the GoB, where is can contain the Holy Grail, but it can exist in the same space as different concept. So I can't say I would ever be an expert lol

Well he has rule breakaer so he can just rip your card and punch you in the face regardless of the duel rule

@@chocomilo1628 Nope, because there are cards that can negate, pop, banish, etc.

@@_.9S._ Um, Rule Breaker would just ignore Yugioh Card rules

@@helios2664 Negate

@@_.9S._ This doesn't mean anything to me because I can't read.

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@@chidorim4st3r5 I didn't make those numbers up. They were stated in the game btw

Gilgamesh >>>>>>>>>> BB. He one shot her in the game.

No… Literally Gil with sni would slaughter her The only reason bb was so difficult was literally bb restricted a lot of things And they were on her plain of control and later Gilgamesh was said to messed around And that ea is a fake copy and even later gil said after all the buffs He isn’t even close to the power he had originally during his golden age

@@chidorim4st3r5 If ea hit bb She herself confirmed she would literally die

He has this weird weapon which can change from a sword to a bow and other stuff that apparently is near or at the level of caliburn. He wouldn’t have Excalibur itself, but either similar weapons or the prototype

@@chidorim4st3r5 thank you I didn't think Gil had Excalibur he mentioned that in a serie or movie that he has all the original except Excalibur cause Saber had it.

@@knightking2036 Excalibur was made in the heart of the planets inner sea by a bunch of Fae. And was made way past Gilgamesh’s time. Gilgamesh typically has the prototype of said phantasm. But he has way more weapons or phantasms that would produce the same effect. He’s said himself that he’ll just produce/procure something of a similar effect

if you ignore that he has arguments for immeasurable speed and infinite hax than yes

A person finally discovered that Character in story needs to be flawed in one way or another to not make stories boring (Emotional) (not click bait) (life changing)

Same here, I started to see Fate/Zero because once I Saw a RU-vid Shorts of versus between Gilgamesh and Gogeta randomly, and I got scared when I Saw him that mighty and powerful, so I decided to watch series to tell if that was like that. Today, Gilgamesh is one of My fav characters, but I also never seen him doing such a feats as the fandom says. It happens with all the fanatism of characters in general. People tend to invent things that never happened inmaturely just because subjetivity.

@@antoniomolinagaspar4561 yeah the problem with gilgamesh is that you have so many versions of him that you don't know which one is cannon, the strongest gilgamesh version is from CCC (the game). Naruto fans does the same, they give feats to characters that we don't see in the anime, that's why people bully them o much lol