@@lonkstakes My drawing got pretty bad ever since since i lost practice because of college and work, but i appreciate the offer! keep up the good work!
While not necessary for the video, I'm surprised you didn't mention the time where Symbiote Spider-Man was able to *speed blitz a Herald of Galactus* and beat him to near death, to the point where Captain America had to be like "ayo chill the fights over, you won" where even Spider-Man was shook at his own power, since in his own mind he was just "holding him off till the Avengers arrived" Point being, the quintillion(s) multiplier has actually remained fairly consistent even with the older comics, as Spider-Man went from the city/island level to being able to throw hands and humiliate cosmic level threats. And thats when the symbiote was in its *infancy*
I see an odd amount of people saying "Transforming would just make him unbond" Yeah, he's bonded on a cellular level to his hosts, he couldn't debond that easily. On top of that, the fact that he's bonded that deeply would imply he wouldn't have to worry about accidentally killing himself, on top of the resistances of his host
Kid Goku with the Symbiote means DBS Super Hero wouldnt have happened (or really, the Android/Cell saga) because there would not be a single RR member left. Gero? Merked. Magenta? Merked. Vomi pre Majin? Merked.
Another example of comics being highly inconsistent. It really just depends on what version of venom you choose to scale with, during superior Spiderman when doc ock was in Spiderman's body he could beat thor but current venom is back to being street level. So if goku got current venom it would be a barely noticeable if only a slight boost with a few hax abilities he didn't have before but if he got older versions of venom amped or otherwise he could get a massive boost to his physical ability along with the hax. Like I said before just comics being inconsistent probably from all the writers. 8:15 in the latest run of venom comics venom has his heat and sound weaknesses.
@zoltbruh276 Venom is only the king in black by name, he's still discovering his new powers and has literally lost to street level characters currently.
@@darktigersharkmax4432 Dude is the new king in black and bodied knull but you want to still call him street level? I guess goku's laser level cause even after ROF, a laser nearly killed him off guard
I think it also entirely depends on if it's "normal" or "purified" Venom. Normal Venom enhances your hatred and everything. That's Vegeta's thing. He'd Venomize and rule the universe. Holy wouldn't even have the chance. But also, he probably would try to remove normal Venom. He's only use purified Agent Venom that doesn't enhance hatred, imo.
For those that keep saying the weakness to heat and sound, that Goku screaming, did you not even see the video to the end as Lonk stated Venom doesn't have those weaknesses anymore which means Goku wouldn't even harm him.
I do like that you emphasized the large building level scaling for Spider-Man, personally thinks it’s more consistent for him to be in the large building-multi-city block level scaling. Can’t really seem him being anywhere near island level consistently
Definitely not Consistently too many comics for that but he dose put the hands on Island a little bit higher threats on the kinda regular(fighting mind controlled well everybody at one point or another beating the brakes of the heraled of Galactus as mentioned in the vid putting hands on hulk though almost never a real match just someone hulk admits is strong Which is a feat self in my mind fighting tons of villains that consistently do that kinda damage so I would put him neer Small island at a good high ball and town at the low ball (as a look at spiderman as a whole taking in his average beatdowns from what I know) although I don't read comics all the time more of a here and there so it's just from what iv seen and heard although scaling off who peopel fight is inconsistent at best in marval someone could take out continental threats and then get beat by iron man who after that got beat by spiderman (crazy how he has fought most of the avengers and held his own a good amount of times in the comics)
@@mandothemandalorian2392 yeah don't really like scaling someone's attack potency off another's durability for comics a lot of the time because most of the time their outliers. if we were to scale like that for most characters, we'd theoretically have normal human beings like captain America(sure he's peak human but still) being able to make hulk bleed, & being able to damage some of ironman's even most advanced armors. it isn't really consistent.
@janperez3799 ya that's why I just mentione them but don't take him beating silver suffers as a planet lv thing because comics just be like that fr someone can be a planet lv character but plot dictates they get beat by a town lv at best(but sometimes still worth mentioning like the hulk thing as it's a cool feat even if only a he did this Thing once)
@@AvatarM685 I think you’re ignoring some context to that and no cap surviving explosions point blank from gambit points to him being beyond human level.
@@Jsipki265 what logic am I ignoring exactly ? Also "peak humans" in comics standards is much more stronger than a human irl, hawkeye can lift half a car & harley quinn's able to use tree like a bat. im not saying cap's just an irl human in terms of strength
New venom doesn’t have weakness to sound or fire now that knull isn’t really a thing anymore. The reason they have weaknesses to sound and fire was like the martians in DC it’s psychosomatic. Comes from the torture of the forge where knull created the all black to control the symbiotes. Knull killed the celstials and skyfathers. Who use fire based and energy attacks.
I feel like he'd fuse and make Gogeta/Vegito, and *then* fuse with Venom... Ok nvm that would Crack the entire reality of Zeno's domain if that were to exist
Guys if you think about it its good that Tobey Peter didnt need to eat humans to oeep the symbiote alive for as long as he had it.that would have sucked
From my understanding venom absorbs the bio info of its hosts and becomes even better. So what would happen if Superman or Berus got merged and could they to begin with.
Thor was holding back against venom, thor back then power level was low multiverse level and Galactus was in his hungry weaked state, a hungry Galactus is low multiverse level and a very hungry Galactus is like low multiverse level to univers level plus
Honestly I doubt Venom symbiote would do anything to Goku. Someone like Hercule would better suited. Also a non DNA copied Symbiote does nothing really
Venom is not multiversel the versions of venom that you have are not that strong it's just he show such impressive feet's for the plot okay and for those who agree with me you are very logical but if your someone who believes venomized goku can solo the grand priest I have no words for you
symbiotes greatest weakness's loud noise and heat goku the dude known for yelling so loud it shakes infinity and has been said to be so fast and strong his heat around his body would be his own downfall... they would NOT bond and even if they did venom would HATE goku... and there max power would be borderline unusable due to the limitations of the heat issue and noise issues
You really shouldn't compare different feats from multiple stories/versions of Venom. Just pick the strongest version of Venom without scaling him to other stories of him.
the only flaw in venom fusing with goku I can see, is that when goku inevitably uses super-saiyan, Venom will de-bond with Goku because of the Klyntar's aversion to fire, Venom simply couldn't bear the heat and pressure of a super saiyan form
Honestly, most people don't consider the fact that symbiotes are good guys. The only reason why venom is how he is, is because he was bonded to an extremely angry and hate filled Peter Parker. Goku has such a pure heart that he could probably cleanse him of his hatred and draw out the true potential of a symbiote
The thing is even said extremely angry guy and the Venom symbiote quickly turned over a new leaf because neither one of them were truly villainous to begin with. To the point Eddie aka the main host of Venom has been a good guy far longer than he has ever been as a villain and to get a villainous Venom the symbiote has to be stolen temporarily (as seen in this video with Ock during his Superior Spider-Man stint) but it won't last long due to Eddie and/or Flash. The problem is most adaptions refuse to adapt Venom properly and instead force them just be villains, even making them them be the culprit of plots they outright stopped in the comics.
Honestly, I’d say his full potential would be fairly low considering all the explosions Goku causes, plus the heat generated by ultra instinct and venom enhancing aggression would mean ultra instinct is off the table, making his full potential unusable.
Venom only hates explosions because it's hitting it. Goku can produce a Ki shield and could now control UI. That heat isn't just because Goku is using UI, Ki is Hot. We literally saw them burn a fish and yet it looks more like they can regulate it's temperature. Also aggression doesn't mean Goku can't turn UI, it's not the intent that matters for it to trigger, it's the state of mind. Aggression would only make Goku instinctually press in the offensive than not.
In the Granolah Arc, Goku learnt how to adapt Ultra Instinct into his own thing and he can now use any emotion while using Ultra Instinct, he has mastered it completely and his new form is called "True Ultra Instinct" which unleashes his ultimate potential without the negative drawbacks and without needing to clear his mind. He also has perfect attack and defence and was only hit due to having his blind spots sniped out by somebody almost as fast and strong as him, plus due to his emotional ability in that state, he can get distracted which it did happen once. So yeah no heat and full potential can be used, he'd be a monster.
Honestly, there’s probably isn’t a single threat out there that could handle Super Saiyan Blue Venoku, let alone Kaioken stacked on top of that. (He can probably stack more than 20x now that Venom is attached since Venom can heal his wounds) There’s honestly no reason for him to go Ultra Instinct, let alone True Ultra Instinct, for any of his battles. So unless he battles against like all of fiction combined, then I don’t see him using it.
Oh hey, that's Goku and Venom! I'm actually one of the co-writer's for Smugstick's "What if Goku had the Venom Symbiote" so imagine my surprise when I heard about this video and saw that story get mentioned here! This was an interesting discussion, great work Lonk!
Great analysis and great video. Honestly, too, if we were to treat Goku and Venom bonding like we would with the fusion techniques and it's multipliers then Goku would see such a massive boost he'd reach the level of High Complex Multiversal to borderline Hyperversal levels of strength and power.
Goku currently is Low Multiversal, he could potentially fight people who have AP on thr Billions of times Universal, but even if Goku gained Infinite times more power, he'd still not come even close to being High Complex Multiversal as that deals with multiple Infinities and Extradimensional Realms and powers, Goku isn't 7D in Super, he's 7D in Xenoverse but not in Super. You don't even realise how many Infinities it would take to reach Hyperversal, Goku can't ever reach that just from a few tiny Quintillions of times boost in power.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Well, if you believed the misinformation from this video, technically he would be outerversal since Thor, Galan, Knull, etc are all outerversal. But that scaling is super fallacious and ignores literally all the context of the story and situations.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Living realm: infinite realm where the humans and mortals live in it has time chamber its an isolated dimension from the living realm it has DEAD ZONE aka the hyperspace low ball the living realm is 4D or low ball low multiverse Afterlife: aka the juicy part in the microcosm 1-trancend the living realm dimensions 2-has no concept of time or space(could be scaled to outer bcz trancend the concept of space and time is baseline outer) 3-spiritual world that u can't enter with normal ways 4-isolated from living realm and has it own rules At least infinite 5-6D Kai realm: where the kai lives to do their mission (take care of North South East and West galaxies) Galaxy A gathering of local planets in the universe. Planets gather and form a nebula, and beyond that, a collection of gathered nebulae is called a galaxy. The four Kaiou who rule over the east, west, south, and north [sections] of the universe actually govern these galaxies. Because the Kami in the Heavenly Realm and the Kaiou supervise the galaxies that exist infinitely in all the universe, the sections known as the East, West, South, and North Galaxies are denominations that came into use through their duty." Kio realm: its 1/10 of the microcosm /it trancend the human realm dimensions 5D-6D at least aka low complex multiverse The microcosm it self: it contains infinite 5-6D U can't contains a same infinite dimensionalty as u so it should be higher dimensionalty so yeah 6-7D at least the planets in DB are size of stars or even bigger some times the size of Dawrf solar system So goku clashing with beer aka the destroyer was destroying all of these It has been confirmed multiple times already maybe 6 or 7 times in manga anime daizenshu and guide books koyama stated this and tori him self that 1 more clash and the microcosm would be a void of infinite nothingness Goku Extremely low ball =low complex-complex multiverse buu was already low multiverse lvl as he was destroying the dimensions of the living universe by screaming he destroyed a galaxy by simply moving by and existing near it The galaxy in DB has innumerable stars So in conclusion doesn't have the basic knowledge about DB cosmology while watching alot of stupid Debunks that Debunk nothing but them self Goku (downplayed version /heavy low ball/without koyama statements /without using csap tiersystem)=low complex-complex in base And Beyond
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki oku downplayers always say Goku is low multi 💀 The OtherWorld is literally an Outverse Spiritual and Non-comporeal pataphysical metaphysical etc And this is just one of some low feats from Goku like shaking the Entire Multiverse, Whole Dimensions and the OtherWorld and Entire Universes,Whole Dimesions from dragon Ball shares Beyond type of 3/4 multiverses
@@hungthe-xu4ce I love how none of that is ever stated in any form of Dragon Ball Media. Yeah the Otherworld and Heaven are both Infinite in size and equal to thr Living Universe and thr Demon Realm, so that's 4 Universes in size alone, thr Afterlife encompasses that entirely so that would easily be many Universes, possibly Dozens in total, it's usually rounded up to 36 which is more than fair. The Afterlife contains Intangible spirits that aren't Petaversal or Metaphysical, they're stated to just be akin to Ghosts, otherwise Berrus wouldn't have erased that doctor with the Hakai as it wouldn't even have affected him. And Goku in BOG alongside Berrus was threatening to turn those 36 equivalent Universes into nothing, that includes the time and space for all of those Realms, in about 5 punches. That makes him Multi Universal in BOG, Goku hasn't gained Infinite power since then and yeah he shook an Infinite sized realm, it's also a realm filled with nothing, so he shook Infinite nothing?? They definitely didn't think about the lack of logic in that one but Toei rarely thinks. Shaking that Realms was actually a weaker feat than what Goku did in Fusion Reborn by Transforming into SSJ3 as Goku actually Shook all of Hell and started warping it himself and Hell is an Infinite sized realm filled with Infinite stuff. His power was even felt throughout thr Macrocosm which is multiple Infinities. All of this and he's still not Multiversal as he's not gained Infinite power since BOG as there's nothing to denote that increase and there's no hint at it ever happening. Same with the random bollicks you made up. Yogg'Sothoth is High Infinite Petaversal, not Goku. Honestly I'd recommend you to either get into some new series and learn about how many more bigger verses there are out there or maybe just go outside, go for a walk and touch some grass, it's very fun.
Venoms power up is more of an addition to power, not a multiplication. Adding Island Level on top of the host, but the hax is the most beneficial from venom, and depending on the host, the weaknesses of venom might reduce in effectiveness aswell
As much as I hate to admit it, theres a point here. One example, hulk probably would Kicked absolute carnages ass if he didn't have the venom symbiotic leaving him vulnerable. Still depending on it's first host and what generation it is the symbiote additional strength can be quite a bit, more than an island I figure. and can even nullify physical damage in some cases.
Technically that was and wasn't venom that killed Carnage, it was actually remnants of Venom from other heroes meaning that the multiplier would be even bigger
This is a cool video! Also could you please do more Star Wars stuff? That would be awesome. Edit: Didn’t realize that venom spider man could beat goku to death 💀
I wouldnt say Venom Spider-Man could beat Goku, more so if Spider-Man didnt hold back the two could have a good fight. But Goku is a way more experienced martial artists and has way more techniques and ranged attacks.
Venomized goku would definitely be op Because of venoms HEALING power Goku could get alot of zenkai boost during battle And training.he wont also need to eat senzu beans thanks to venoms healing power He would also gain more ABILITIES So overall venomized goku would be op and cool👍👍👍
It honestly depends on how you scale marvel and venom since with so many writers it's extremely inconsistent. One thing to note about superior venom is that during instance you could just say thor is holding back since thor consistently holds back against weaker characters like mortals. Since with so many comics you will also have to say Captain America is thor level for getting in a brawl with thor on at least two times and we know Captain America is weaker then Spider-Man who consistently beats Captain America so its more logical to say Thor holds back. Like what's more likely that everyone including regular characters with no mutiverse feats who ever have fought Thor are on thor level in all his history of comics or Thor was holding back and not using his full power. Thor wasn't bloodlusted,i don't think he used that much lighting or even a god blast nor was he trying to kill octo in that particularly exchange so saying that version of venom fully scales above to Thor is a bit strange to me. Venom does get stronger but it's extremely inconsistent. Eddie brock Venom has matched with a symbiote Spider-Man and during the posion arc defeated a symbiote Spider-Man which was further enhanced by a poison. During the red goblin arc you could also make a argument Eddie was just drained from fighting red goblin himself as he states so he gives the less tired Spider-Man the suite to stand a better chance. I struggled to think objectively to say a symbiote Spider-Man is that much superior to a symbiote Eddie brock who has a decent amount of statements of having one of the best bonds to venom next to Flash compared to Spider-Man who always had a mostly poor bond. Going over absolute carnage it wasn't actually immoral hulk using the venom symbiote Carnage was fighting. Ok let me explain in the immoral hulk tie in, its explained and shown bruce and their personas talk with one another over the plan with the venom symbiote. Savage hulk agrees but devil decides not to be interested. This is important since hulk strength fluctuates greatly depending on the personality and from what I remember Savage hulk is not as strong as Devil/immortal hulk. I personally don't think the venom symbiote added that much more power onto Savage hulk and just bonded to the next strongest host to stand the best chance. As for Eddie defeating devil carnage it was a extremely amp venom bonded with the codexes of multiple superheroes like wolverine and the thing amping him and not the normal baseline venom where all used to fighting that godlike carnage. I don't think it backtracks to the regular venom symbiote. Like most characters in the comics the venom symbiote itself is extremely inconsistent but it's more consistent to say by itself without a host its at least relative if not slightly stronger then Spider-Man and adding strength to whoever it's bonded to at a given time. When it's bonded to characters stronger then Spider-Man I personally don't think it's making those other host that much stronger then they are at a given time maybe more bloodlusted but not that much stronger. So if where talking about the plain venom symbiote having read so many Venom and Spider-Man comics I don't think it will make goku that much stronger. It will definitely grant goku other benefits for example the ability to breathe in outer space or underwater,self nutrition so he doesn't need to eat,and finally the healing factor. I think that would be the best benefit for a symbiote with a saiyan would a healing factor to heal the more serious injuries. If where talking other symbiotes then yes most definitely since their are symbiotes way stronger then the plain venom symbiote but speaking of just plain venom based on my scaling and interpretation I don't think the venom symbiote would make goku that much stronger.
Question: if the symbiote can make an average human 130 million times stronger than Island-level Spider-man, what exactly would the power multiplayer be?
7:44 "Sentient being" *ONLY* means "has senses," microbes have senses. As for getting far enough along that it could speak to Goku, that requires sense of "I" or "individuation(aka Sapience)" not just "sentience" but that context spanning subtext reading faculty which optimizes "situational awareness" for the sake of optimal orienteering~navigation of life choices.
So... Symbiosis hey... Ima try to do a DB heroes shenaningan How strong would be Goku with Babidi Majin mark, possesed by a 4 star evil dragon ball, janemba and baby, time breaker mask, venom symbiote and a lantern ring (probably because of the previous power ups, a red lantern ring)?
Although mui venom goku may be pretty strong for canon db standards it would still be way weaker than ui vegito and possibly even ssjb vegito depending on how you scale them and they're much weaker than whis who is nothing compared to the grand priest and zeno so no venom goku does not come close to soloing canon dragon ball.
Dont forget that as symbiots are influenced by thier host the host influenc the symbiot like venom adpting some of spiderman skills and powers image symbiot alowing the user to enter into something akin in power to super sayian
Eddie Brock/venom in base from back then in the older comics should be at least large country level to possibly low multi large country level and the recent venom of today have gotten much stronger as we all know with the uni power and his power level should be low outervers level since he was able to kill null
@@agilraj1145 I personally think that it depends on the interpretation, As in what you personally believe in for Spidey, Since Powerscaling in Marvel is pretty dubious. It's all over the place. So again, I think it's dependent on what you think is legit and what is Not.
You REALLY should not be using Thor as a reference during the Superior Venom moments. Thor is notorious for holding back, specifically mentioning he would rather lose a fight than accidentally kill his opponent. This is very consistent as he can go from blitzing Silver Surfer's top speed to being slower than wolverine. From losing in strength to savage Hulk, to completely overwhelming and one shotting beings like maxam, gladiator, sentry, ulik, Drax with the power gem, etc who are all far beyond Savage Hulk. From losing badly in fights against Odin and a suppressed Zeus, to being able to knock over Arishem and crack the head of Exitar, when Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu TOGETHER couldn't even phase Arishem, and Exitar is stronger than the entire 4th celestial host. Using Thor as a reference point for other characters is touchy at best. Venom with the Enigma force being able to beat Knull which scales him to King Thor before he had the full odinforce is a fairer estimation. Similarly this works with your Carnage statement a bit better since he was empowered by Knull as well but even then Carnage WAS NOT beating Hulk, and specifically had to get Bruce out of his Hulk form to win. Plus Devil Hulk also capitalized on the fact that Thor didn't really want to fight him either. Thor was trying to talk him down which is why he got sucker punched that badly. PLUS you are completely misinforming people about Eddie "one shotting" carnage too. He bonded with carnage in that moment which reawakened the hive. It's why Carnage was trying to get to Dylan. Eddie established that connection instead which kicked off King in Black. I appreciate you playing up symbiotes, but don't misinform people to the context or the scaling of these characters. The real amps do speak for themselves without you having to lie about them. It's like saying that every previous captain universe is Knull level because the Engima force is. No, because they used the uni-power, which is a much weaker aspect of the Enigma force. I do not like misinformation because it causes tons of confusion and animosity among the fandoms, and I especially won't tolerate any Thor slander. He was beating Knull until he turned to deal with the Celestial threat and Knull used the necrosword (later used by Gorr) to wound him. This didn't even take Thor out of the fight, as he later was ready to fight again. AND Eddie's axe was made from mjolnir, surfer's board, and the enigma force. Please be more careful about this type of thing in the future. Otherwise, great video, I'll give a like and sub.
If a symbiote like Venom bonded with goku it would be op. It's directly shown in the recent comics that Venom was a broken symbiote. That's why he's weak to fire and electricity. When he goes back to his home world of clean tar he gets fixed and becomes immune to fire and his regular weaknesses.
That and he adapts to his hosts and makes his hosts immune to certain things, so Goku being immune to heat, he can take on that aspect as well. Goku being loud makes him more resistant to sound, and for goku, he’ll be healed from fatal injuries and wounds, wouldn’t be able to become sick, every aspect of power and strength would be magnified, and venom would be able to use quite a few of gokus abilities. Such as that Ki barrier they use to ward off the extreme elements and other things that can damage him.
@@Everlost_Nation remember also that venom is much smarter than goku so he'll be able to cover for all the strategy making. With venom healing goku gains zenkia mid battle as well.
I've been thinking about speed in Dragonball, we all know it is broken but I still want to "make sense of it." Initially and for the longest while I have been stuck to the notion that you become exactly twice your previous speed every time you gain 33% more in power level(without shifting your body mass or weight). That seems to be the case but it doesn't track with the disparity between Goku and Piccolo when they faced Raditz who was roughly 3 times the power level of either character. Although Raditz was much faster than either Goku or Piccolo, it doesn't make sense that he is nearly 16 times their speed as he would need to be if every 1.33 times your power level = 2 × your speed. It makes a whole lot more sense if speed and power level increase were tied at a 1:1 ratio like it is in Goku's use of Kaioken, where he is only 20 times faster when he gets 20 times stronger. This, however, is still not how speed works in the real world where you getting 20 times stronger only makes you about 4.472 times faster at sprinting(provided your cadence and stride length do not also shift). I suspect the nature of Qi flow is why characters can directly ignore air resistance that the rest of us have to fight with exponentially more exertion just to gain a little bit of speed. Even with the way aura surging negates wind resistance, the DBZ characters don't truly break past the speed of light until Perfect Cell becomes "Super Perfect Cell" and Gohan gains his Super Saiyan 2 form. How I deduced this is reference to kid Goku at the 22nd budokai, where one first has to accept his Daizenshuu/"official" power level is 180. The second step is to deduce the speed Goku had to be going in order to "vanish" as he rapidly moved about the stage with no ordinary person being able to see him. Turns out 13 milliseconds is how long it takes for people to recognize an object is directly in front of them, I take that as Goku spending no longer than 10 milliseconds before he takes a step, taking 100 steps per second at 15 inches per stride with his 3 foot tall body. This means Goku was dashing back and forth at 137.16 kph. To match the speed of light he would need a power level of 1,411,617,911.811. With this new model of thought in mind, along with my previous assertion that each point of power level represents 50lbs of force: A power level of 60 can make a real person(who can't bypass wind resistance via use of Qi flow) sprint at 75 kph but a Dragonball character of the same power level can only sprint at 45.72 kph. This seems off... *Maybe 180 power level Goku was only using half his full speed when vanishing before Krillin and his full stride would have his steps falling every 5 milliseconds,* the same speed as a housefly's reaction time for they too seem to vanish in front of our very eyes whenever they evade being smushed by us. This means a power level of 1,411,617,911.811 lets Dragonball character move at twice the speed of light. Their aura surging out negates wind resistance so gonna stretch that to say it also negates time dilation effects associated with nearing and breaking light speed. This means every Saiyan after cell Saga, reached a level that has made "instant transmission" useless because it is only a light speed movement while their basic movement rate is beyond the speed of light. Any thoughts on the matter?
@@thomasthecoolkid7228light takes 8 minutes to get from the sun to the Earth, that's not "instant" but clear progression or "transmission" if you will in Goku's supposed "instant transmission" which he explains is sending your bodyparticles out at the speed of light so they go magically pass throigh eveey obstacle before reconstructing your body at the destination. The only thing "instant" in "instant transmission" is the conversion from normal body to a streme of energy as magic particles that then instantly reform as your original body when your destination appears before your eyes.
@@linyenchin6773that was an mis translation he wasn't saying that hes particals were moving with the sped of light this was a mis translation from the dub version the sub didn't mentioned this it says that your body goes to the location you want in instant also raditz was able to almost dodge one of picolos beams so raditz its faster than the sped of light .
