How Suzuki Won With A Stolen Two-Stroke Technology

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The low cost and availability of the 50cc increased demand for such motorcycles after World War II. FIM established a true Grand Prix 50cc category and the real racing began. Brands like Honda and Suzuki were relatively unknown and they had to prove themselves by joining the GP.
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@luxtempestas Год назад

16 gears? That's some Fast and Furious shit right there! 🤣

@RC116 Год назад

There never were "16 gears". The most a racing engine ever had was 14, on the Suzuki 50cc RK67. The RP68 3-cylinder used the same gear set.

@ianmangham4570 Год назад

@terrystevens5261 Год назад

@@wojack7066 They used a kill button and no clutch to change gears very quickly.

@johnr6292 Год назад

@@RC116 The single cylinder 50cc Kriedler of 1964 had an 18 speed gear box.

@RC116 Год назад

No motorcycle EVER had a "16-gear" gearbox. Please inform yourself and don't believe the crapola posted here by ignorants.

@Oddman1980 Год назад

I watch every single engine video you post. I really enjoy hearing engines that I otherwise would never have known about, and going into the history and the problems that were solved is even better.

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks!

@JazzbLu Год назад

Very well said!

@divyang.z Год назад

Never knew a square-3 engine design ever existed ! Really informative and fun video ❤️

@Piqus3 Год назад

#metoo

@gqh007 Год назад

Would that technically be a right-angled equilateral triangle pointed off to a cardinal direction

@alessdiazlopez54 Год назад

Well, the honda mvx 250 is a street legal bike with a 3 square cylinders too.

@davidbrayshaw3529 Год назад

@@gqh007 Only if your bearings are right.

@gqh007 Год назад

@@davidbrayshaw3529 Whoops I'm a dumb dumb

@matthewshambler2644 Год назад

300+ HP/L is insane.. those really were some of the glory days of pushing the envelope in engine design! Super interesting video as always!

@kg_canuck Год назад

Not just engine design, engineering in general. In the era of, say, 1960-1990, people just were more willing to think outside the box amd go wild (partially because of less strict safety/emmisions rules). A great example was NASA's X15, the fastest plane in history, which hit Mach 6 in 1967. Nothing today comes close to the top of the line stuff from that era, at least in terms of raw power/speed/brutality etc.

@matthewshambler2644 Год назад

@@kg_canuck , agreed.. the world has gone soft these days, the glory days were much more unlimited and unrestricted- just look at F1, they are faster and safer etc. but it’s not the same as before.

@joshe2420 Год назад

most power gotten out of a two stroke is from the aprillia rsa125 making 432hp/l ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vMWXtwx1Dnk.html

@nallen1006 Год назад

@@joshe2420 You guys have to stop with the 400hp talk, the bike made 50hp. The ones in this video made 16hp. Less than a standard lawn mower.

@nallen1006 Год назад

Except they only made 16hp, less than a standard lawn mower.

@ProlificInvention Год назад

I love this stuff as I own a Motorhispania RX50 which is a 50cc mated to a 6 speed trans that makes 9hp and goes 70mph, it's on a bike that's considered a 9/10 scale crotch rocket and it appears full size but only weighs 200lbs. I also own a 1973 Suzuki TS185 2 stroke with the "Git Kit" that makes 25hp.

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

i need to check out what the heck is a motohispana

@DrSmile81 Год назад

@@fidelcatsro6948 Spanish moped company like rieju. Derbi is gone long time ago :(

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

@@DrSmile81 i see...

@vilivuorinen8096 Год назад

I own a motorhispania as well but it is the "furia" model that is more of an enduro style and has a 50cc am6 engine. The guality seems good because mine is a 2004 model and everything still works well.

@quirkyMakes Год назад

it's amazing what can be achieved in a two stroke engine. I love these little engines myself and play with them all the time. even the nitro rc two strokes are fun. shame they have been all but forgotten in today's four stroke dominated market. maybe some videos on modern engines (if you haven't already done a video on them).

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

waaaaang waaaaang ting ting ting

@hifiteen49 Год назад

This tech was all stolen from Walter Kaaden, the engineer of MZ, where Ernst Degner came from. Walter Kaaden invented the rotary valve, figured out the expansion chambers on exhausts, and was the first to make a 200 hp/l 2 stroke. And all that in the span of five years. And then it got stolen by a traitor who fled the country and then raced for the competitor.

@r3wturb0x51 Год назад

they are forgotten due to poor efficiency, fuel economy, and bad emissions. four stroke is superior in these regards. two stroke has higher rpm and wider power band.

@hanhan9064 Год назад

@@r3wturb0x51 maybe twin spark would help burning fuel.like honda idsi.

@Roboprogs Год назад

There’s lubricant in the fuel, since the crankcase under the piston is used for fuel/air intake during the compression stroke, and fuel/air mixes with exhaust since both port/valves open at the end of the power stroke so the exhaust is “blown” out. A significant amount of fuel+oil goes out the exhaust.

@jth000888 Год назад

YT channel "2STROKE STUFFING" is a living legend. I love 2stroke motorcycles.

@cayleschroder8944 Год назад

Thank you for making quality videos. Your voice and these engines are music to my ears. Keep up the superb work Visio!!!!

@VisioRacer Год назад

I appreciate it, Cayle. Thank you!

@c.a.r.s.carsandrelevantspecs Год назад

I love naturally aspirated engines, and especially appreciate the high-revving ones! Thanks for another great video! 🙂

@danielholman3436 Год назад

This was SUCH a great video. Informative and narrated brilliantly. So glad I watched this!

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you, Daniel!

@jamesmiller8299 Год назад

Been watching this channel since the start it’s so nice to see someone else besides me that loves engines this much!

@dukie1616 Год назад

Very good channel👏 Keep up the great work bringing us interesting automotive and motorcycle content. Thank you

@bobjohnson2909 Год назад

Great video as always. Please keep them coming. I love your style.

@leonardfbell Год назад

amazing video as always! you are one of my all time favorite channels! Keep the good work coming!!

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you, mate!

@Aeroman66 Год назад

Amazing video! Keep going with the engine series, we love it. Suggestions: Ford's 427 Cammer, Willys Knight, Fiat's Multiair

@Bata.andrei Год назад

Ernst Degner was not the mind behind the development of the two stroke. He just stole the work of Walter Kaaden. Kaaden was the real genius behind the development of the successful racing two stroke.

@paulg3336 Год назад

Correct. Kaaden used resonant exhaust systems invented by DKW designer Erich Wolf to scavenge two strokes. Prior to that two strokes used heavy deflector crowned pistons that could not withstand high speeds Kaaden also adopted designs developed by the independent engineer Daniel Zimmermann.

@Bata.andrei Год назад

@Sohc_Vtec it is literally written everywhere on the internet. Just look fo Kaaden and you will find out about motorcycle racing before Japanese bikes were a thing.

@Iowa599 Год назад

Yeah…but he was German…

@Iowa599 Год назад

Suzuki sucked until adopting their stuff, specifically rotary valves & tuned exhaust. They dominated after that. Iirc Suzuki got the 1st 5 finishing positions in the first major race after his help (the defector).

@Dsm152 Год назад

Kaaden knew nothing, he should have stuck to building trusses in his garage. Ask Jan Thiel

@justletitsliiide Год назад

Always a pleasure to see you upload! I've learned quite a lot from this channel, keep up the great work 👍

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks, Pablo!

@Hero419 Год назад

Good job, as always! Outboards, diesel inboards and old airplane engines would be great to see on your channel!

@shadowred1980 Год назад

Yes, please keep doing the series. Enjoying it. If people want to read more about Ernest Degnar and the story round it. Have a look for the book "stealing speed" by Matt Oxley.

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you!

@philmanson2991 Год назад

20k rpm near supersonic speeds. That was some INSANE engineering, and the engine notes are nothing short of painful...painfully sweet!

@superjon78 Год назад

This is one my favorite ideas you have done. Thank you!

@stanislausbrown8626 Год назад

I always enjoy your videos. You find the most interesting engines!

@Piqus3 Год назад

Again good job VR, very interesting material too, as i have my old (1994) 50cc moped to renovate. Keep up the good work and thanks!

@mmllmmll22 Год назад

I have 2013 Romet 717 4t. Unopened engine, just bogger jets, unlocked variator(so it can open fully) and CDI. It can get up to 80km/h, on stock engine displacement of 50cm^3. Pretty good considering 200km of range on ~4l of fuel.

@zedtap4528 Год назад

Your english is way better than when i first watched your diesel 2 stroke vids nice keep it up share the un known gems with the world even i learn stuff from you thanks

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you very much!

@brianholmes5921 Год назад

Thank you for continuing to make this wonderful content.

@bjrnpost4633 Год назад

A deeper dive into some specifics like this is always interesting.

@wernerschulte6245 Год назад

Yes, the sixtees were very extreme. Beatles, Moon Landing, Cold war and . . . . . extreme motorvehicles. The technicians worked in a similar way the used to work during the world war two. Finding the best solution not as a compromise but as an extreme performance. Thank you for the video. I knew about the little suzuki, but I never saw a photograph of the transmission.

@MikeQuinn777 Год назад

I love watching the video's that you post, they are very informative so thank you.

@simonsackett Год назад

I love these engine videos! That's some incredible engineering!

@Larpy1933 Год назад

Thanks! The Suzuki 50cc square-3 and also their 50cc V3 are both new to me. I’m grateful for your research and production.

@VisioRacer Год назад

My pleasure, Larry!

@johnr6292 5 месяцев назад

You can not have a square triple the same as you can’t have a square circle

@Larpy1933 4 месяца назад

@@johnr6292Look again at 3:49 and give us your name for that configuration. Yours may be better than “square 3”. The 3 cylinders are arranged in a right angle. A machinist’s or carpenter’s “square” is right-angled. Not all “squares” have 4 corners. There is more than one meaning for “square”. C ya. And good luck.

@bobmizen1 Год назад

Thanks for sharing your study of these amazing engines and motorcycles , it is so interesting. Bob M. South Wales, UK

@SONO4B11T Год назад

As a recently turned motorcycle nut, this video is amazing... I learned about Enerst Degner from MotoGP journalists. So to see what he actually contributed to is pretty Cool. I'm off to geek out on the RP68🔥

@jkim6200 Год назад

Thanks for the informative video. It's interesting hoe the RP68 preceded the Honda N NS500 as a v3 engined two-stroke more than two decades prior.

@upsidedowndog1256 Год назад

I love both Kawasaki and Suzuki. I am rebuilding my 85 Kawi 750 turbo bike. I ride both daily 2 Suzukis and a 2001 KLR 650 Kawasaki.

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

my cat loves u too😸♥️♥️♥️

@upsidedowndog1256 Год назад

@@fidelcatsro6948 my dog loves to eat cats. I love cats too. Dogs and cats are a carefull balance.

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

@@upsidedowndog1256 😳

@uhtred7860 Год назад

I'm a Yamaha/Suzuki guy, Yamaha always seemed to "march to the beat of a different drum" than the other "big 4" and i like that, they also made the finest 2 stroke bikes (IMO) and their 4 stroke technology/engineering was always top notch. Suzuki was always a tad conservative in their designs, but again solid engineering with strong engines. I speak in the past tense because i lost interest in new bikes around 2010, and are mainly into restoring 80s 90s bikes and have managed to get a small collection going😀. 85 FZ750, 87 FZR1000, 94 TZR 250 SPR 3xv, 98 TRX850, 01 YZF R1, 86 GSX-R1100, 84 GSX-R400 gk71, and a single Kawasaki, an 84 KR250 (the tandem twin road bike, not a GP bike😄). On the "watch out for" list is a 87 Honda VFR750 in White, and a nice ZXR-750 preferably an 89 or 90 in Green! Theres no school like the old school.

@upsidedowndog1256 Год назад

@@uhtred7860 Nice collection. Are you Dutch?

@JazzbLu Год назад

Yes please, more videos like this! We love learing about engines like this and any engine really.

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you, Josiah!

@Tom-wl9sx Год назад

Great video 👍 There's so many interesting engines built in the past. Today all is so streamlined.

@JBOutdoorliving Год назад

I was really invested in this, I wish the video was longer😂

@aminur14 Год назад

love your videos for a long time XD

@VisioRacer Год назад

I appreciate it!

@onemantwohands5224 Год назад

This was so cool , yep do more on the lightweight category's!!

@yodasbff3395 Год назад

Impressive stuff, thanks. 👍

@shmlsprgnve5169 Год назад

What a great and informating video!

@rotary224 Год назад

great video, you should do more about two stroke racing engines

@tomasmagula9911 Год назад

Super videjko,ako obvykle😁💪

@kaedeschulz5422 Год назад

Awesome stuff those retro Videos🤩

@hamrite Год назад

Just discovered this search for power and speed, good job !!!

@antarcticmoongiant2691 Год назад

The porting was massive for such a small CC. That's why they launch wot. Good vid. I own multiple 60s & 70s Suzuki smokers

@rokasgaming2362 Год назад

Excellent content!

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate it!

@whiterosemotors9026 Год назад

This was amazing! More engine stories! I'll make a video about my 1987 Honda Cbr 250r MC17

@ktm42080 Год назад

Love the 2 stroke content. An episode on Penton/KTM? I have 2 with the engine that John Penton and Erich Trunkenpolz argued over and they are monsters!

@nachospeakstoday Год назад

Awesome job you made. Would you feel instrested in making a video about the story of the Isle of Man TT?

@luclucas135 Год назад

Thanks again, luv it !

@terror2thecore Год назад

Awesome, can you do a story about yamathi too? It is also about 50cc racing: a highly successful dutch racing team, manufacturing their own stuff for racing.

@chrisos6303 Год назад

is ook een veel interessanter verhaal

@chuckp3131 Год назад

Maico history would be a good video. Thank-you

@abhimanyuks5383 Год назад

Love such videos! :) Thanks!

@VisioRacer Год назад

My pleasure!

@Nihil1st1347 Год назад

Thank You! A very interesting story.

@user-gl7pf5yv7m Год назад

Great video

@petergriffin9830 Год назад

Verry interesting ! As a 2stroke fan to hear about this is gold. Thanks for your videos !

@VisioRacer Год назад

My pleasure!

@MrJanaRobi Год назад

Great history footage

@danko3257 Год назад

Hello!! As an long time subscriber and BMW enthusiast, owner of an M50 and M52 engine powered 3-series, i would appriciate an M50 or M52 episode, why it is such an great 6cil. Greetings from Czechia!!

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks/vďaka!

@steeltube195 Год назад

Love it ... keep it comming.

@eusebiohajdukovic5521 Год назад

amazing 2stroke maschines😁🤘 can you make maybe a video about tomos separately please. i am from slovenia.

@Xayuap Год назад

VisioRacer, fueled by positive feedback.

@VisioRacer Год назад

Most definitely

@davidpeters6536 Год назад

And 60 years later I have an 8.5 HP 125cc scooter that won't do 60 mph, that's what they call progress? Another super video, thanks.

@victorvaldez6938 Год назад

I love this stuff please post 📫 more

@neelamforclaz7519 Год назад

Love your Videos man🥰

@VisioRacer Год назад

Glad you like them!

@neelamforclaz7519 Год назад

Love the 2 /strokes🔥

@tiagofigueiredo2529 Год назад

More of this content please. Thanks. ✌

@VisioRacer Год назад

Yes sir!

@Diesel257 Год назад

Those 14 speeds must be the transmissions they use in movie cars.

@deanstevenson6527 Год назад

I don't see how you can better this, but look forward to see you try. Hemispherical Love to those up above. 🥝✔️

@Squilliam-Fancyson Год назад

These little two strokes never fail to impress.

@chrisbeck8182 Год назад

Awesome video! Love the interesting content that you keep coming up with!!

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks, Chris!

@cameronboyce4695 Год назад

I like seeing your videos, but I will have to say that there is quite a lot of information that you left out in this one. I would love to see a follow up video on Walter Kaden, Ernest Degners defection, and the explosion of 2 stroke power from the 60's to the 90's. A must read book is Stealing Speed by Matt Oxley, though it is hard to find and very exspensive.

@karolissemaska4402 Год назад

Please make a video about two stroke 100cc go kart engines. They are masterpieces of the 90s karting reaching over 20k rpm. Also best drivers of f1 came to the sport from this karting class, like Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher. I would love to see you make a video about that. :)

@fidelcatsro6948 Год назад

MZ was the unsung hero of the show

@sebastiangarkov9590 Год назад

It was

@yethuraj4873 Год назад

Suzuki stole all German technologies from mz.

@tcmits3699 Год назад

Kinda like the 1980's East German Bobsled design(West changes rules)"Can't beat 'em bann'em

@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur Год назад

This was and is incredible mechanic engineering.

@charlesseymour1482 Год назад

Can you track the development of the 2006 limited Yaris. That motor was ranked best new engine of the year. Super executions of both timing and cam profile.

@lowrider441 Год назад

Would be great if you compiled some viewing on supercharged only not turbo charged single cylinder engines under 200cc.

@quittessa1409 Год назад

I'd love to see you messing with Angethegreat's engine simulator, see if you could re-create the v3, or others :P

@perrosdemaiz Год назад

More please!

@markomiettinen4106 Год назад

Those engines are just so ridiculos small and still so powerful. I knew that Honda and Suzuki were building these small engines, but really didnt understand how small engine parts would be... Amazing work from those engineers back then

@uhtred7860 Год назад

Soichiro Honda HATED 2 strokes, would never let his company use or develop them, and was determined to beat them with 4 stroke technology, all Honda GP championship win were with 4 stroke bikes, thats why the NR 500 was developed. Rules for GP at the time stipulated 4 cylinders and 500cc were max allowed, so he built a 4 stroke 500cc V4 with oval bores 8 conrods and 32 valves that revved to 20,000rpm. It was a failure, but the tech was used in the NR750 road bike (more of a "look how clever we are" than anything else) and the NR750 TTF1 race bike. The TTF1 was quite good and showed promise but was VERY expensive, i saw it race in Australia and take its first win in the Swann International Series. 👍

@davonmulder8458 Год назад

Epic video

@qbatmobile Год назад

Great video mate! I enjoed it a lot. Feel free to talk about Polish legend - Junak.

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thank you!

@joshdobson2737 Год назад

The Formula One of scootering......nicely done!

@jurrianmulder2526 Год назад

you should look into modern 50cc racing cups like Freetech50. Nowadays with the same regulations (50cc 6 gears no variator) they achieve extreme horsepowers over 22hp very interesting to see how that's going on. I'm active in a dutch cup, 70cc air cooled two stroke. we achieve about 19hp nowadays, some are already above 20hp, with a puch moded engine....

@MattBrownbill Год назад

Those engines are a mad as a bag of bats! Keep up the content. 👍

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks, will do!

@Predic94 Год назад

Please do some video about Tomos motorcycles. They have huge history in 2 stroke engines. Both commercial and racing heritage.

@rodrigobulman6013 Год назад

Keep up with the great work man, I love your videos. Why not make a video about the most economical production engines ever?

@rikvalcke9082 Год назад

i like your video"s, for sure the ones about 2 strokes.

@martincoufalik9101 Год назад

You age like wine. Good job on my favourite cubature since these little bikes made mirracles when it comes to power. Your power numbers seems to be bit lower than in my literature, but yeah. Anyway, my next favourite thing is Japanese ilegal racing in 80s and early 90s. What about that theme? :)

@Hissing-Syd Год назад

Thank you. I really like this.

@VisioRacer Год назад

I'm glad you like it

@albertoninocitores5443 Год назад

Realmente disfruté del vídeo, gracias.

@abinandrews Год назад

Video about how YZRs, NSRs and RGVs, performance increased over time, also video about Aprilia two stroke engine

@danielle_pine9676 Год назад

loved this little story about these bikes always been interesteted in thesse smaller CC engines

@VisioRacer Год назад

Glad to hear that!

@SONO4B11T Год назад

We need a video on rotary valves on 2-strokes.

@ironhorsehero1988 3 месяца назад

If memory serves me correctly (it often doesn’t these days) the later multi cylinder 250cc machines, Honda six cylinder and their like were engineered because the smaller the parts, pistons, valves etc were so small they created very little if any inertia unlike larger thus heavier parts.

@user-cs1ne8gx9u Год назад

Love the old technical stories. Great work man

@VisioRacer Год назад

Thanks!

@giorgitkebuchava8868 Год назад

cool video..

@paulred2009 Год назад

I already knew theses 50cc Suzukis but I didn't know its history. Amazing!

@bertlbarm4374 Год назад

when i was 17 i had a friend whose name was johann hummel and was austrian state champion in the 50 cc class, my 50cc moped at the time had sufficient 6.5 hp with which i was on the road in half of europe eg rome, athens but also in the giant mountains and up to trenčianske Teplice to visit my sick father

@sargentsakto9236 Год назад

Wow 10 HP. And they were really pushing the envelope with 16 HP in a couple years.

@jamest.5001 Год назад

I don't know how I missed this one, but I love pushing things beyond their limits, engineering extremes like this, it's awesome,. With the rotary valves why not supercharge the little engine? And with the single cylinder rules, why not build a supercharged dual acting engine,yeah it has two spark plugs , but only one cylinder, the supercharger, scavenger is required, but they would probably make a rule against a dual action cylinder, and an opposed piston would probably not cut it either, but supercharger! Boost would do it..