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How Sympathetic Are The Fire Emblem Antagonists? 

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⏰Timestamps⏰
00:00 Intro
00:45 Medeus
02:29 Gharnef
03:26 Duma
04:25 Rudolf
05:14 Jedah
05:25 Hardin
06:10 Arvis
07:37 Manfroy
08:05 Julius
08:26 Veld
08:46 Zephiel
09:57 Idunn
10:37 Nergal
12:58 Lyon
13:58 Ike
15:03 Zelgius
16:19 Sephiran
17:07 Validar
17:31 Grima
17:45 Gangrel
18:07 Walhart
18:36 Anankos
19:12 Berkut
20:33 Nemesis
21:07 Rhea
21:37 Thales
21:43 Edelgard
22:33 Sombron
23:12 Outro
How Sympathetic Are The Fire Emblem Antagonists?
Fire Emblem is a Japanese fantasy tactical role-playing game franchise developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo. First produced and published for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1990, the series currently consists of seventeen core entries and five spinoffs.
The core gameplay revolves around discrete battles between the player's team of characters and enemy non-player characters across grid-based maps. The player and enemy each take turns moving their characters across the map and having them perform combat-based actions. The games also feature a story and characters similar to traditional role-playing video games, and occasionally social simulation aspects as well. A notable aspect of gameplay is the permanent death of characters in battle, rendering them unusable upon being defeated, although this aspect of the game can be turned off starting from Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem onwards.
The series' title refers to the "Fire Emblem", a recurring element usually portrayed as a royal weapon or shield representing the power of war and dragons. The development of the first game began as a dōjin project by Shouzou Kaga and three other developers, and its success prompted the development of further games in the series. Kaga headed the development of each entry until the release of Thracia 776, when he left Intelligent Systems. He went on to found his own game studio, Tirnanog, who developed Tear Ring Saga.
The series debuted in the West with the seventh game The Blazing Blade in 2003, under the title Fire Emblem. According to the game's director, this was because of the international success of the similarly turn-based Advance Wars.[1] The inclusion of Marth and Roy in the 2001 fighting game Super Smash Bros. Melee as playable characters is also cited as a reason. Many games in the series sold well, although sales suffered a decline during the late 2000s. This resulted in the series' near-cancellation until the unprecedented critical and commercial success of Fire Emblem Awakening (2012). This success was built on by Fire Emblem: Three Houses (2019), the series' best-selling entry.
The series has been lauded for its gameplay and is frequently cited as the seminal series in the tactical role-playing genre, codifying various gameplay elements that would come to define the genre. Characters from across the series have been included in crossovers with other video game franchises, including the Super Smash Bros. series.
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@Mangs1337
@Mangs1337 19 дней назад
⏰Timestamps⏰ 00:00 Intro 00:45 Medeus 02:29 Gharnef 03:26 Duma 04:25 Rudolf 05:14 Jedah 05:25 Hardin 06:10 Arvis 07:37 Manfroy 08:05 Julius 08:26 Veld 08:46 Zephiel 09:57 Idunn 10:37 Nergal 12:58 Lyon 13:58 Ike 15:03 Zelgius 16:19 Sephiran 17:07 Validar 17:31 Grima 17:45 Gangrel 18:07 Walhart 18:36 Anankos 19:12 Berkut 20:33 Nemesis 21:07 Rhea 21:37 Thales 21:43 Edelgard 22:33 Sombron 23:12 Outro
@emperortoho
@emperortoho 19 дней назад
you accidentally replaced ashnard with ike in the timestamp
@ExcieXC
@ExcieXC 19 дней назад
Ike the villain D:
@nessdbest8708
@nessdbest8708 19 дней назад
Great video, but where's Andaron Saga?
@jeromeheramis2932
@jeromeheramis2932 19 дней назад
​​@@nessdbest8708 I hope Mangs will do one for that game too.
@nessdbest8708
@nessdbest8708 19 дней назад
@@jeromeheramis2932 Same
@researchinbreeder
@researchinbreeder 19 дней назад
I would've personally just split "Very Sympathetic" into "Victim" and "Dragon Dementia Sucks"
@oof5992
@oof5992 19 дней назад
Anankos did nothing wrong and is easily the most sympathetic of them all, i too would go insane if i was forced to hear azuras singing for all of eternity.
@stefanoandreani2562
@stefanoandreani2562 19 дней назад
Anankos not only he bacame Mad but split his Spirit apart and recruit Heroes from another time to help Corrin finish him. Also he killed his best friend. "Why I am the One to surfer, why I am the One left to die?"
@The_B_Button
@The_B_Button 15 дней назад
Definitely, although Anankos made a big 🤡 mistake with not taking off with his buddies when they left, but I don't remember what the reason was for Anankos staying
@cameron9484
@cameron9484 4 дня назад
I think he got killed but I can't entirely remember either​@@The_B_Button
@RuneTacticss
@RuneTacticss 19 дней назад
Ah yes my favorite FE antagonist, Ike
@lsrrr3857
@lsrrr3857 19 дней назад
Nah, biggest antagonist in FE is definitely RNG
@charlettmoon2693
@charlettmoon2693 19 дней назад
I still love making (almost but not really) jokes about how Ike is just an anti-human racist who blames humans for being racist but is nice to Soren and Laguz when they're racist. I guess it's okay to be racist when they're your friends/you wish you had claws like them???? Also the fact that at the end of FE10 he just leaves everyone and everything, including his own sister, who begged him not to leave her like their father did when he was killed. Absolute scumbag who only cares about the people he wants to make out with, and I'd definitely put him in an antagonist spot just to make people REEEEEEE.
@TheZackofSpades
@TheZackofSpades 19 дней назад
I thought I was stumbling into some DEEP lore about Ashnard being an alternate-timeline Ike or something when I saw that in the chapter list 😅
@jeromeheramis2932
@jeromeheramis2932 19 дней назад
​@@lsrrr3857 Stupid RNG always screwing our tactics, our plans, always there to watch over and to troll us, curse you bad RNG.
@lv4715
@lv4715 5 дней назад
@@charlettmoon2693 To be fair, the Laguz kinda had a point, so Ike siding with them makes sense. And from my knowledge, they were racist to the scumbags that led Begnion. The thing about him leaving though...... Yeah that was an oversight by the writers for sure.
@GerudoKing_
@GerudoKing_ 19 дней назад
Calling Walhart “Walmart” will never not be funny.
@OmniMon94
@OmniMon94 18 дней назад
Agreed
@loserlw337
@loserlw337 19 дней назад
The only reason Lyon lost his soul is because he was envious and horny. 100% most relatable antagonist in the series
@nekonomicon2983
@nekonomicon2983 19 дней назад
Erika simps will definitely relate
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
Dude also had huge shoes to fill with his dad dying and his empire left to him added with him and his low self-esteem issues. So yeah. Can relate.
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
I mean he apparently lost to 4 strenght E rank sword eirika in a spar match if I remember correctly, so when you're that much of a twink I kinda get the whole insecurity thing
@Underworlder5
@Underworlder5 18 дней назад
so basically, if grado had a therapist then the plot of sacred stones would never have happened
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
@@Underworlder5 I'm convinced therapists don't exist in the fire emblem universe
@JordiumZ
@JordiumZ 19 дней назад
so fire emblem is about defeating old people with dementia
@ElvenRaptor
@ElvenRaptor 19 дней назад
Old people are scary when they go off their meds.
@user-pf1kk7zc2n
@user-pf1kk7zc2n 16 дней назад
how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man the series
@tutorialboss4090
@tutorialboss4090 11 дней назад
My favorite comment thread in this video, yes this is the essense of fire emblem. Senile boomer with all their accumulated wealth takes arms against the youngins.
@neintimesthegeek1337
@neintimesthegeek1337 19 дней назад
The most unsympathetic antagonist in the FE franchise is the fan base. God forbid for you to say anything good, or bad, about any game in the series
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
The Megaten Fandom:You poor baby.
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
The true fe villain was the toxic fans who joined along the way
@MultiKarmacharger
@MultiKarmacharger 18 дней назад
It's more of a madness than an antagonist, IMO -it has no real goals or objectives, just a mass of heads reeling
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
@@MultiKarmacharger in other words the fe fan base is the remire village calamity
@randomguy6680
@randomguy6680 19 дней назад
Zephiel may be evil, but you've got to appreciate his commitment. When he wants so wipe out humanity, he is included. When he is defeated, he stalls so that Idunn can continue the genocide.
@whichDude
@whichDude 19 дней назад
Sombron: His ring! His precious power ring! Gone forever!!! RHEEEEE!!!
@DreadlordZolias
@DreadlordZolias 19 дней назад
MYYYYY PRRRREEEEECIOUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
@cladius3216
@cladius3216 19 дней назад
well evil doofenshmirtz lost his toy train
@ethanreddy6551
@ethanreddy6551 16 дней назад
​@@cladius3216played for comedy not tragedy
@ethanreddy6551
@ethanreddy6551 16 дней назад
That's why engage sucked and never do so well, it's forgotten compared to 3H. I'm an Engage hater and stand by it proudly
@andrewshearsby8125
@andrewshearsby8125 16 дней назад
Until we got his motivation I thought he was a good villain 😅
@abcisawesome3418
@abcisawesome3418 19 дней назад
Mangs when talking about Edelgard: Oh my, I feel like I could probably do an entire video on her EDELGARD SPOTLIGHT WHEN???
@karasu__tenshi
@karasu__tenshi 19 дней назад
IIRC she was supposed to be the first TH character to get one…
@raho500
@raho500 18 дней назад
It's been a lot of time since one. I think livestreams are just more profitable right now.
@CritAlps
@CritAlps 18 дней назад
Honestly Idk if I want an Edelgard video from the RU-vidr who placed her into the entirely unsympathetic category LMAO
@abcisawesome3418
@abcisawesome3418 18 дней назад
@@CritAlps fair enough lol, I thought she was gonna be next tier up because he put the genocidal Zephiel up there
@Abundy
@Abundy 19 дней назад
Self proclaimed #1 Jugdral enjoyer doesn't even mention Raydrik and Travant smh
@matiastorres2553
@matiastorres2553 19 дней назад
the scence when travant give his son the gungir bc he knew a new ruler could chose a new path and he is going to face leif and die is pure cinema
@Ephraim225
@Ephraim225 18 дней назад
They stank But at least someone remembered them right Veld???
@SpookSkellington
@SpookSkellington 19 дней назад
My favorite antagonist is the pirate captain guy in FE7 that escorts you to the dread isle, because i spent a long fucking time trying to beat him only to find out it gives you a game over if you do. In my defense, he stated he likes a good fight. He's just a sore loser who dies when he's killed.
@3verlong
@3verlong 19 дней назад
Fargus.
@calzone7961
@calzone7961 19 дней назад
"He's just a sore loser who dies when he's killed" should not have cracked me up as much as it did
@benjaminstorace6699
@benjaminstorace6699 19 дней назад
@@calzone7961 same here🤣
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
Shirou Emiya:People DIE when they are killed!!!!
@anathema064
@anathema064 16 дней назад
Found the mooncalf
@blueshadeseraphim6926
@blueshadeseraphim6926 19 дней назад
I’m actually one of the few people who has a soft spot for Rhea. Sure, her hoping Byleth would become the key in getting her mother back is questionable, but regarding her placing Sothis’s crest stone in Byleth as a baby, what other option did she have? Had she not done that, Byleth would’ve died right then and there. Really, her bigger blunder there was simply not being more upfront with Jeralt about what happened. Obviously telling him the full truth would involve divulging knowledge tying to the Nabateans, which she naturally doesn’t wanna risk. But even simply telling him she had to use a forgotten ritual or something like that at Sitri’s behest, or something along those lines, that would’ve likely been the wiser course of action than just dismissing any notion something happened altogether.
@vao519
@vao519 15 дней назад
For Rhea she also witnessed the genocide of her people too and in all honesty fodlan was doing pretty okay in the1k years she was in power
@acekun6493
@acekun6493 19 дней назад
I'd call Conquest Garon, Hans and Iago very sympathetic because they constantly make me crack up while reading Fates story which is a lot more than I can say about almost any other villain.
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
@chillstoneblakeblast3172 19 дней назад
Hans is Buggi if Buggi had 0 charm and was 100% Based
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
Hans is so based he kills Lillith twice and commits war crimes on a daily basis
@bentowers3614
@bentowers3614 7 часов назад
I'd argue Hans is irredeemably unsympathetic for me, since we flat out know he was a criminal in his past who was incarcerated for his crimes, and even after being given a second chance in joining the military, he never quit being a criminal and upgraded to war crimes instead, as well as disobeying his superiors on the regular. He really only gets away with it because Garon was already gone by then, replaced by the puppet Anankos put in his place, but the old Garon we hear about would've definitely put a stop to him very fast. Iago, on the other hand, comes across as somewhat unsympathetic to me. He really seems like someone who was super loyal to Garon and let that loyalty blind him to the point that, once Garon was replaced by Anankos' puppet, he had no problems continuing to do what Garon asked, even as those demands became cruel and evil. So naturally, he'd plan to ruin Corrin's day if Garon asked, and was correct (from his viewpoint of Garon still being there even though we know Garon was gone) to lash out against the siblings for their apparent betrayal. We never got to see the real King Garon. From what we know of him through supports and other such things, it seems that he would perhaps be a more sympathetic figure. A gentle father who just could not bring himself to leave all the women he loved, inadvertently, causing the death of a lot of them. I wonder when he died exactly? That would be interesting to figure out, since he is clearly a puppet by the time we first meet him in Fates.
@stuckinabucket6873
@stuckinabucket6873 19 дней назад
Why did Ashnard do it? Because why not And he is super buff Truly compelling villain i love him
@grandarkfang_1482
@grandarkfang_1482 19 дней назад
Ashnard is the evil version of the Gigachad.
@jooglebob
@jooglebob 19 дней назад
Not to mention he had a child with a manakete to potentially create a strong human-dragon hybrid, then instead uses the child as blackmail to force another manakete to be his mount. Truly hardcore!
@thekiss2083
@thekiss2083 19 дней назад
​@@grandarkfang_1482All gigachads are evil
@dustinjones7458
@dustinjones7458 19 дней назад
​@@grandarkfang_1482 Negachad
@avaliantsoul5408
@avaliantsoul5408 19 дней назад
sometimes I just mix Ashnard and Senator Armstrong. I dunno why, but they have a similar vibe in my head.
@hilgigas09
@hilgigas09 18 дней назад
I would like to add some context for Rudolph and Rhea. Rudolph rules a nation that is lacking in arable land. Rigel was suffering famine so he went to the sister kingdom of Zofia. King Zofia said " Ha! No" and continued to party and have unprotected sex with random women. Celica and her brother are his only surviving bastard children. Rudolph responded by finding the Falchion, killing Mila, then killing Zofia and his entire family. Rigel is raiding Zofia for resources. Rhea is very much like Medeus in that her people were massacred by Nemesis and his Elite. A lot of her more troubling actions make more sense with the understanding that her entire culture and race were destroyed, and she now has to live with the descendants of her oppressors. The same descendants that swing around the mutilated corpses of her kin and kill each other in droves. Edelgard additionally forces her out of her ancestral land in every route of Three houses.
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 19 дней назад
They really need to find a cure for dragon demenntia, could've prevented a lot of conflicts
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
To be fair Rhea got consent before she put Sothis into Byleth.
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 19 дней назад
For byleth maybe but for the previous subjects that consent is very suspicious, like when you remember the power dynamic it is very disturbing, knowingly or not rhea is exploiting her position as the archbishop to make her faithfull followers go along with her experiments
@brightlight8852
@brightlight8852 19 дней назад
​@pandabanaan9208 They were homunculi they were never human to begin with. Rhea created artificial humans/Nabateans and then adopted and raised as her own children. There wasn't any human experimentation.
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
@@pandabanaan9208 You mean the hominculi she created for one specific purpose? Something like that isn’t exactly immoral considering that she makes them herself.
@NeoNintendo
@NeoNintendo 19 дней назад
You consent. She consents. Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? Sothis.jpg
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
@@brightlight8852 and that isn't messed up why, sitri seemed pretty human to me and jeralt and aelfric, so even if they are humonculi then all that changes is rhea is creating living beings purely for the goal of solving her mommy issues, rhea is a complex character and not evil but there is no justification for this type of experimentation regardless if they were her followers or creations because either way she is exploiting a power dynamic of someone who would do anything for her
@ascrein5247
@ascrein5247 19 дней назад
On the topic of bosses, I would say King Garon of Nohr. If I recall, he was originally a kind man and when it was revealed that an evil dragon was attempting to destroy Nohr and Hoshido, he tried to make an alliance with Hoshido but he ended up getting controlled and starting a war with Hoshido anyways.
@mihaimercenarul7467
@mihaimercenarul7467 19 дней назад
If only we saw that side of him, but nope. They could have done that în revelations where he could escape anankos's control and try to redeem himself by sacrificng his life for his children, but no.
@TrueBladeSoul
@TrueBladeSoul 19 дней назад
Yeah like if that was something we got to see or was properly explained like have people talk about what he was like in the past it would make Norh a lot less obviously evil since then we would actually have to wonder if Garon is doing what he does for a good reason as a kind man who knows when to harden his heart for the good of his people would look like a monster to Hosido but to Norh a tragic king who is only doing what he has to
@carlospolk5033
@carlospolk5033 19 дней назад
@@TrueBladeSoulAgreed. It was sadly only touched upon, based on memories of a few others, but only that, because Fates’s writers said F it... If it was properly explained/delved into, I can see him being much higher on the list.
@theelectricgamer9889
@theelectricgamer9889 19 дней назад
@@mihaimercenarul7467 something like that could have worked when he was dying but remember he was basically dead at this point only being animated and controlled by Anankos
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
I mean, we never see that side of him, we just see Garon commiting war crimes and trying to kill everything that breathes
@ramen1010
@ramen1010 19 дней назад
Fire emblem 7 isn't perfect story wise by any means, but one of the things I feel they got right was Nergal. He was such an interesting villain.
@Mangs1337
@Mangs1337 19 дней назад
Agree!
@mobgabriel1767
@mobgabriel1767 19 дней назад
all of the budget for FE7's story went to nergal and the black fang's backstory and as a result the rest was the tragedy we got XD
@ASMRDoodlez
@ASMRDoodlez 19 дней назад
I always liked the story of Berkut because it's like a Shakespearian-style tragedy of a prince who gradually loses his grandeur and turns self-destructive trying to claw it back. Very edgy, very interesting.
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
Berkut was how I got to know of Ian Sinclair.
@iwantmoney3598
@iwantmoney3598 19 дней назад
I just wanna say the headcanon of Sombron being an Elitist and the emblem he was trying to find was Kaga makes him S tier (?)
@the42ndgecko21
@the42ndgecko21 19 дней назад
I would argue Anankos does get some credit for taking steps to try and prepare the world to kill him after he goes mad, so that's a step above someone like Duma. Of course, there are no steps to go above, so he's in the right spot on the tier list, but just wanted to point that up.
@skynet0912
@skynet0912 19 дней назад
I would put Rhea and Edelgard in the "Somewhat Sympathetic" tier, simply because both of them have the capacity for both love and compassion, but they take extreme actions they feel they must in order to preserve the world. Depending on the path and ending, both Rhea and Edelgard are perfectly willing to step down and leave the future of the world in someone elses hands. Rhea leaves the church to Byleth, and Edelgard honors her own system, and actually steps down as emperor for someone more "worthy" in some cases. It's of course very dependent on what path you look at, but even at their worst, i would say that Rhea would be the one who should be lowest on the list. So the fact that they can both show remorse, loyalty, honor and even love towards Byleth and others, make it seem unfair to paint them as irredeemable or unsympathetic...
@eliyahuoziel1775
@eliyahuoziel1775 18 дней назад
Quick thing to note about Nemesis, Edelgard and Seiros. Nemesis is given a backstory. He is a thief who killed Rhea's mother Sothis due to the prodding of TWSITD, and then committed genocide on all the Nabateans (rhea's people), feeding their blood to his elite commanders and using their bones as weapons. So yes, he is entirely unsympathetic. Fun villain, though. Rhea's backstory is that her whole race, who just wanted to help humans, was wiped out thanks to Nemesis, with the exceptions of Seteth and Flayn. In addition to this, the reason why she put Sothis's heart in Byleth is because Byleth's mother Sitri was on the verge of death and this was the only way of saving his/her life. Still does some messed up things, mainly in the last chapter of crimson flower, and it is kind of messed up that she never explained this to Jerald, but I would still bump her up a tier, maybe even two if you really want to push it. I don't have much to disagree with on Edelgard, just wanted to add that all she really had to do if she wanted to change the system was talk to Dimitri and Claude, both of whom she got along with, and the gaslighting done in Crimson flower significantly hurt my love for the game. She has one of the most sympathetic backstories, but due to her actions, yeah, she still goes in the bottom tier. So to summarize, Rhea should have been in somewhat sympathetic while Nemesis and Edelgard move to/stay in Entirely Unsympathetic.
@endikaaspeurrutia1013
@endikaaspeurrutia1013 15 дней назад
Calling irredimable to Rhea or Edelgard while simpathysing with other villais on the franchise is ridiculous
@sonofpears4691
@sonofpears4691 13 дней назад
Oh yeah because I’m sure if Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude talked then the church, which is the most powerful faction on the continent, would just roll over. Also what makes you think Claude and Dimitri would agree with her, chances are if she reveals who she is it ends the same way for Dimitri since he still thinks that somehow Edelgard killed his family, so at best she has the leister alliance on her side but even then I reckon Claude would be way more likely to side with the church as he does before. Also are you really saying that Crimson Flower is trying to “gaslight” you into finding Edelgard sympathetic, where does it gaslight you exactly?
@TheTenzen12
@TheTenzen12 3 дня назад
@@sonofpears4691 First of all Church is NOWHERE near being "most powerfull faction". They don't even have conscripts nor it's united. Second when Empire dunked on their local branch Church, it did just rolled over. Rhea has zero influence in Empire ever since. Third I do agree that CF did not try gaslight anyone into finding Edelgard symphatetic. She is straighforwardly villain even in her own route and I think game was quite honest honest about it (well maybe except changing characterisation of such characters as Ferdinand, Caspar or Dorothea... I guess that counts?).
@shadexvii3975
@shadexvii3975 19 дней назад
21:10 nemesis, I believe, was established either in the DLC or the GW route, was supposedly just some bandit guy that happened to work well as a figurehead for the Agarthans to prop up as their pawn of revenge against the Nabataeans. So he’s probably just a pawn doing it for power, but idk.
@emils1615
@emils1615 19 дней назад
Sombron is the most sympathetic villain ever guys!!!! He brainwashed his children and use them as soldier in a war to conquer the world because when he was a childeren some guy has stolen his candy and I don't really know actually but come on he gave us a 1 our monologue about his backstory out of nowere how can I don't sympathise with him. I was crying when I learn that he lost his best friend because somthing and then some other thing and then Kaga emblem. Truly the moment of my life
@Abundy
@Abundy 19 дней назад
Brainwashing children to meet with Kaga seems fitting, truly the best villain in all of FE.
@raho500
@raho500 18 дней назад
underrated comment lol.
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch 17 дней назад
What peak fiction does to an mf:
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
Sombrom indeed is a villain from a Fire Emblem game
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 14 дней назад
Sombron reminds me of fire emblem new mystery emblem where that dark wizard brainwashes that female bishop therefore brainwash clarrise
@biscutelizabeth4764
@biscutelizabeth4764 19 дней назад
I think you put nemesis a bit too high. He and a group of his buddies wiped out all but a handful of people by raiding them in the night while they slept. That and they yoinked the bodies literally turning them into weapons and drinking their blood to roid up. Plus if im remembering right three houses implies that the sacred weapons are kind of alive? (Pls correct me if im wrong on that)
@Treasure_hunter_21
@Treasure_hunter_21 19 дней назад
They kinda are
@yacmoth770
@yacmoth770 19 дней назад
Grima has some lore explored in post game shadows of valentia...and yes, fire emblem heroes. He basically hates humans because his creator betrayed him because forneus feared grimas power and sealed him away. Nothing spectacular but its something.
@tbc1880
@tbc1880 19 дней назад
Bro really just had to prove him right didn't he.
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
who plays Heroes
@tbc1880
@tbc1880 14 дней назад
@@AzumarillConGafasBv masochists and people who like reading.
@bgammax5842
@bgammax5842 19 дней назад
There are a few more important details that need to be noted about Sombron 1. His world had all of the Fell Dragons attempt to rebel against the Divine Dragons of their time, resulting in his race being wiped out with the exception of Sombron, who was a child at the time. So instead they banished him to the Engage world, where they expected the Divine Dragons there to keep him in check 2. Sombron lived for years with only his Emblem to keep him company. The Emblem spirit abandons Sombron the moment he finds someone willing to talk with him, which Sombron seems to interpret as the Emblem abandoning him for needing to rely on others. Alear theorizes that the Emblem left because they knew Sombron would be fine now that he had a companion. Sombron was not fine. 3. Sombron’s goal is to search for his original Emblem so that his only parental figure could be proud of how strong Sombron had become since he started working on his own, and is completely apathetic towards the Engage world and any others he might end up going through. He essentially tells Alear to buzz off since Sombron wasn’t going to do anything further to Alear’s world anyways
@hilgigas09
@hilgigas09 18 дней назад
So what you are saying is that Sombron is Toxic Masculinity personified. "Love and Kindness? Ew!! Thats for women and beta males. Nah, it's all about them gains!"
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
He's still a shitty character, even surpassing Anankos
@bgammax5842
@bgammax5842 14 дней назад
@@AzumarillConGafasBv for sure yeah, committed like every war crime. Its just annoying to see him get dismissed like the Gharnefs when he’s not a “literally exists to be evil” character
@robotsturm6488
@robotsturm6488 18 дней назад
FE7 dragon was chilling with his dragon friends when suddenly a portal opened and they were transported and another place. 😢
@villainglasses3051
@villainglasses3051 19 дней назад
your scripted videos are some of your best content.
@Mangs1337
@Mangs1337 19 дней назад
Thanks!
@TeamGenerator
@TeamGenerator 19 дней назад
@@Mangs1337 be honest this whole vid came from the wah wah (insert trivial problem here)
@joshuabonesteel2303
@joshuabonesteel2303 19 дней назад
There is a bit more to Lyon. He also saw the destruction of his country in a vision, and that is why he turned to the dark stone.
@tyeus3673
@tyeus3673 19 дней назад
Thales wanted to commit mass genocide upon the children of the goddess as revenge for being forced underground, but considering what the dlc has shown me the underground is kinda neat so hes a dumbass. 2/10 killed by boulder
@freetoplayking7362
@freetoplayking7362 18 дней назад
To add to medeus' hatred, the founder of the kingdom of archanea, ardrah, removed the star spheres from the binding shield to sell for money, weakening the seal and making the earth dragons go crazy. He then used the money to sweep across the continent and start his kingdom, and used the gemless shield as his nation's crest, the fire emblem. This was mentioned in fe3 book 2, not the remakes. Really, if someone caused the insanity of my people to make money (even if indirectly), I would be pissed.
@nohrianguy
@nohrianguy 19 дней назад
I hope my boy lyon is rated highly
@heyguysxd
@heyguysxd 19 дней назад
Honestly you should have put the Begnion Senators on the list. They are basically responsible for everything bad that happens in Tellius. Thankfully that makes them easy to rank irredemably unsympathetic.
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
Yeah. They were the reason why Sephiran planned an all put genocide of the entire continent of Tellius by evoking Ashera's Wrath all cause nearly his entire people of Heron Lagus were wiped out over a misunderstanding THEY caused. Yeah. I would understand why Sephiran skipped the Magneto Stage and went full Apocalypse.
@MysteryDisc
@MysteryDisc 19 дней назад
Personally I would move Nergal down a tier because his means to accomplishing his goals (Dark/Elder Magic) were already known as a corrupting force and he had people trying help him stop. As for Sephiran, I'm fine with where he is but am tempted to move him up a tier, since on top of the Serenes Massacre, he was also witness to the fall of Beorc and Laguz relationships, including species infighting, and the rise of trafficking. Like that's a lot of atrocities to witness in real time.
@voltron77
@voltron77 19 дней назад
Zephiel and Ashnard are my favourite villains because they’re evil, they know they are and yet they are certain that they are doing the right thing.
@lspuria8440
@lspuria8440 19 дней назад
Well said. They both are just pure bad ass
@tyeus3673
@tyeus3673 19 дней назад
The best villains are the ones who believe they're right
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
Tbh, Zephiel is very selfconfirming. Roy goes to him saying "You are no better, you Hypocrite" and Zephiel just goes... "Yeah actually, that's true and kinda part of the whole idea. I am human, which is why I specifically do not want to rule, I only collect reign to pass it over later".
@kencritical8225
@kencritical8225 18 дней назад
​@@lpfan4491makes him all the more based
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
​@@lpfan4491based af
@fromeggman
@fromeggman 18 дней назад
It just dawned on me, Sombron is just Gollum but a dragon...and he takes it out on others lmao.
@LCardosed92
@LCardosed92 19 дней назад
Rating the main villains from FEH (till book 7): Very sympathetic : Veronica, Fafnir Somewhat sympathetic : Gullveig, Freyja Somewhat unsympathetic : Embla Irredeemably unsympathetic : Surtr, Hel, Eitri
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 14 дней назад
yea I say veronica is very sympathetic because she couldnt control her blood until way later. gullveig because well she was controlled and well... for embla... embla became evil due to jealously... freyja I do feel bad for her because she has loyal followers like plumeria. I dont know whats freyja reason why she attacks humans. I think Surtr probally ties in evil when compare to ashnard, the dark wizard new mystery emblem, and begion senator
@Waauugh
@Waauugh 19 дней назад
Thales speaks of his people having been driven underground by Rhea's people in the past, but then he also just attacks everyone in sight and became a 'I shall conquer the surface world!' villain, even abducting children to replace them with shapeshifters. I believe it's also implied that it was his people that murdered Sothis and most of her children, then made their bones into The Heroes' Relics. Hell, the Sword of the Creator is Sothis' own spine and the Crest Stone is her actual heart, which he then gave to a powerful Thief King called Nemesis to go kill her daughter Rhea with! I understand his motivation but his evil is way past redemption. Nemesis then also had the nickname King of Thieves besides King of Liberation, so he was already evil before he became the warlord killed by Seiros/Rhea, also irredeemable.
@brightlight8852
@brightlight8852 19 дней назад
In the DLC a Slither book reveals that the reason for his beef with the Nabateans is because the Slithers want to perform genocide in all surface dwellers (they had already wiped out several civilizations by them) and Sothis (being a goddess of life) took offense to that.
@Waauugh
@Waauugh 18 дней назад
@@brightlight8852 Daaaaaayum. Okay, mega-deserved to be driven underground.
@Aleph3575
@Aleph3575 18 дней назад
@@Waauugh This is incorrect, the book bright is referring to only states that the Agarthans began to fight with each other and attempted to overthrow Sothis resulting in the genocide of most of the civilization, thus implying that Agartha was the global power at that point. The desire to destroy all surface dwellers came afterwards as a result of them worshiping Sothis. I am not saying they didn't deserve what happened to them though, said book also references their "carnal nature" and proclivity towards violence.
@Waauugh
@Waauugh 17 дней назад
@@Aleph3575 Ooyyy, so there's no good true good sides then. OR, this is just speculation on my part, we can look at the Agarthan technology. Maybe it was damaging the world and Sothis came down and went "Bro, stop."
@kinga6347
@kinga6347 16 дней назад
Isn't it implied that Nemesis was the one to kill Sothis? Or was it just Zanado?
@mobgabriel1767
@mobgabriel1767 19 дней назад
i never knew how many gharnefs were in this game's history lmao this makes me appreciate the twist of idunn being a victim and zephiel being the main villain even more because without the context that you get at the end of the game she is basically set up to be another gharnef like character
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
FE6 is very much a creative mirror of the Archanea games. Stuff like how the first chapter is a 90 degrees-turned version of FE1 chapter 1, but ends up playing a lot diffrently in practice. Or how both humans and dragons were major douchebags in both games' backstories, but Archanea focusses more on "The evil dragons! We must stahp them!", while FE6 parodies that direction at first, but ends up being more critical of the human side of the conflict in the end.
@mobgabriel1767
@mobgabriel1767 19 дней назад
@@lpfan4491 imagine if they make a awakening like game but for elibe in FE 19 then
@Speedwinghere
@Speedwinghere 19 дней назад
Wow a tier list that actually managed to hold my attention throughout the whole thing, congrats. For me personally I like Ashnard a lot. I think if they had fleshed him out a little more to show a man who longed to set things right and slowly became what we see in the games from all his bloodshed he could have been one of the greatest villains in the series. Anankos is peak, his reasonings and machinations will be revealed when he returns in Rev 2
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
@chillstoneblakeblast3172 19 дней назад
Ashnard is Underrated and the Blood Contract ruined him. If the Blood contract did not exist, he would have been a much better villain
@Speedwinghere
@Speedwinghere 19 дней назад
@@chillstoneblakeblast3172 if the blood contract did not exist tellius might actually have the good story everyone claims it has
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
@@Speedwinghere Most people generally do not claim FE10 to have a good story, even with localization or extended script-changes. It was always about FE9 and the Blood Pact is very much something backwards-extended into the prior plot by the sequel.
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 12 дней назад
@@chillstoneblakeblast3172 dude if blood contract didnt exist. silver hair maiden we wouldnt fight her. think of without brain chips for clones. it would ahd changed very different
@ItsAZues
@ItsAZues 18 дней назад
Man, after I've met Edelgard for the first time, she was destined to fit the dictator role. One that will do anything to achieve their goal, even teaming up with people who fucked you up. She 100% make go "But whyyyyy?!?!"
@karmadoggo4224
@karmadoggo4224 19 дней назад
Evil characters that are evil because they're evil are built differently
@grandarkfang_1482
@grandarkfang_1482 19 дней назад
This post was approved by Ashnard enjoyers.
@solomonpnq
@solomonpnq 19 дней назад
IZUKA MENTIONED 🗣🗣
@thekiss2083
@thekiss2083 19 дней назад
I hope Engage is the last "let me tell you about my tragic childhood for the next 27 minutes" villain we get for a while
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
GARON MENTIONED 🗣️🔥🔥 WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD WRITING 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
@chillstoneblakeblast3172 19 дней назад
Lyon being very sympathetic is not right. Lyon literally goes Sicko mode just because he lost his Father and grado suffers earthquakes all the time(Which is very sad) does not justify throwing a nation's worth of army to their death just to try to resurrect a Dark God that easily 1v1 him. Also playing against Eirika's/Ephraim's psyche instead of trying to talk to them directly is also not OK. Lyon literally started a war over nothing because he wanted all the power and not wanted to win favors with diplomacy. I'll say that Somewhat unsympathetic is the most fitting because Lyon is a sympathetic villain, but his means are pure insanity, especially in the Ephraim Route.
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
Eirika story > Ephraim story. Making Lyon into something that isn't sympathetic was a mistake.
@irlShively
@irlShively 19 дней назад
I think Jedah should go in the somewhat unsympathetic tier; his motivation is his misguided belief that if Duma goes mad, Rigel is completely screwed (very similar to how celica views the disappearance of Mila).
@TheJezryk
@TheJezryk 19 дней назад
I think you oversimplified rheas motivation significantly. It's not just the loss of her mother that she mourns. Humans, including the 10 heroes, murdered her entire species in a fully unprovoked war. She still had the compassion and farsight to establish the church, change history so that the murderers of her kind became known as the 10 heroes and tried her darndest to get humans to at least use the legacy of her kin, the crests, for a better future. Instead she had to babysit them for centuries while they use the crests to do horrible research on each other, kill each other, create crest beasts and have nothing better to do than murder each other just as senselessly as they murdered the nabatheans. Rhea is exhausted. She feels her sanity and her compassion slipping. She holds no love for humans after centuries of this nonsense and wants to revive her mother not only because of personal attachment, but also so that sothis can become the new archbishop and rhea can abdicate a position that has been slowy, but surely driving her insane. Imho she should at least be in the somewhat sympathetic tier
@Alector12
@Alector12 19 дней назад
Sounds honestly a bit similar to Medeus so it makes sense to tier them next to eachother.
@MAJJASTAK
@MAJJASTAK 19 дней назад
I don't think building a church in the middle of the continent to raise children in order to kill any opposition for possibly centuries is "babysitting" the world and trying to make a better future. I don't think it had anything to do with compassion. It's just my opinion, but considering how it was shown she didn't give a fuck about any of the past children and men she had children with in order to resurrect her mother, and that she started caring about Byleth ONLY when he became the first one to be THIS close to be the successful attempt she wanted, makes me think she's entirely selfish, and that she wouldn't have hesitated a SECOND to kill of Byleth and co. If they didn't awaken like the others, and if everything wasn't going to change anyways (depending on your route). She probably would have started all over again having other children with other dudes for that reason, and continue to assert her dominance on Fodlàn for generations like she did up to this point. Imo it really feels like she didn't lose any compassion or anything, but that she ALWAYS was self absorbed. Remember that the Rhea that INSTANTLY wanted to kill us and tear out our entrails when we side with edelgard is still the BASE Rhea we've seen up until this point in the first chapters, NOT the visibly religious maniac post timeskip in Edelgard's route. She did NOT hesitate a single second to want to kill us, while at this point of the story we were just siding with Edelgard to protect our pupil, not side with her for a war or anything.
@GoldenRose116
@GoldenRose116 18 дней назад
@@Alector12 Except Rhea didn't do half the evil shit Medeus tried to do
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
Fodlan wouldn't have half the issues it has if the people just went to therapy
@Alector12
@Alector12 18 дней назад
@@GoldenRose116 Pretty much. Makes one wonder why Mangs put her below Medeus.
@Zacariah24-uw1ox
@Zacariah24-uw1ox 19 дней назад
As a mental health professional, I would say that the trauma experienced by Zephiel and Edelgard are vastly underrated in their placements on the list. Yes, trauma doesn’t excuse their actions but the tiers are measured in degrees of sympathy, not justification. First, with Zephiel, his father tried to have him killed on multiple occasions. With the last attempt, there is a detail that you don’t mention that makes Zephiel’s descent to madness a bit ironic. Despite his father being absolutely terrible as a father and the man himself implies he’s nothing special to look up to, Zephiel does because he is his father. In the moment where he is poisoned, Zephiel goes into it extremely hopeful that he has finally gained the respect of his father despite having no reason to believe as such. That is why his father’s betrayal is so hurtful. Zephiel had so much hope that the betrayal of said hope had such the extreme effect it had on him. On top of this he had to kill his father or risk yet another attempt on his own life which just further compounds his trauma. Next, with Edelgard, she literally witnesses her 10 siblings all die horrific deaths in front of her on top of the cruel experimentation done on her. She was taken as a political prisoner by the other nobles in the insurrection of the seven as well, which is what allowed the experimentation to take place. This is on top of everything else that is just messed up in Fodlan, take Hannemann as a good example of the horrors of the Crest system. You’re sympathetic towards characters like Lyon and Julius because they had no control over being possessed. Zephiel and Edelgard had no control over their circumstances either. Lyon and Julius were released from their pain since they lost themselves. Zephyrs and Edelgard had to live with their pain up until their respective deaths. Yes, these are all just video game characters at the end of the day, however, I was compelled to write this because of the very real issue mental health can be and how this is something we can all benefit from being more mindful of.
@avaliantsoul5408
@avaliantsoul5408 19 дней назад
While tier lists are obviously based on opinion (literally the whole point), I also got frustrated a bit with how much Egg switched between sympathy and justification villain by villain.
@brightlight8852
@brightlight8852 18 дней назад
That's wrong they did have control over their circumstances and they chose to do bad things.
@Aleph3575
@Aleph3575 18 дней назад
@@brightlight8852 By that argument, Lyon should also be viewed as unsympathetic because he choose to try and bring his father back to life rather than embrace ruling Grado himself when Vigarde died which is what led to his possession.
@brightlight8852
@brightlight8852 18 дней назад
@Aleph3575 Well yeah, ultimately Leon had a choice and he made the wrong one it's not wrong to hold it against someone for making the wrong choice when they weren't forced to do it.
@fufzooz
@fufzooz 16 дней назад
real
@jeromeheramis2932
@jeromeheramis2932 19 дней назад
Nergal and Lyon are like Darth Vader, what makes them the same is they try to accumulate power even if the source of that power is questionable in order to save what they value and love the most but accumulating so much power corrupted them as that what always happens for seeking to be more powerful, they always fall to the dark side, as cliche as it sounds "Absolute power corrupts" just like what Batman said. Such tragic characters makes interesting villains. You know they've fallen evil but you also understand why they did what they have done. Edit: I saw one of the comments suggesting that Valter should also be here too since he too is also a Victim that turned him into look like an irredeemable prick.
@Dew8Dew
@Dew8Dew 19 дней назад
I actually disagree on Jedah's placement, even through he's clearly a villain, his motivations aren't simply "haha I'm evil because yes", his devotion to Duma is more out of fear, as you can see from the convo he and Alm & Celica have before the final fight, Jedah would rather keep Duma alive even through he's gone fully mad because he can't imagine a world where mankind can live without the aid of gods, so even through he goes absolutely the wrong way about it, he's just a man that's too scared to live without a higher being watching over him, or at least, that was always my analysis of him.
@boredomkiller99
@boredomkiller99 19 дней назад
Yeah he is meant to be the foil to Celica who believes everything will be fine as long as they have Mila's blessing. She eventually accepts that the time of the two gods' is over while Jedah never did.
@deadlypandaghost
@deadlypandaghost 19 дней назад
Sombron doesn't care about the world. He just wants to find his friend. Still an irredeemable scumbag but he is specifically not on a world ending plot. He would've been happy to ditch the main character's world after he fucked it up in order to leave.
@Harbringer443
@Harbringer443 19 дней назад
I may be making a very far-fetched statement but.. I think there was a reason why Zelgius killed Greil. We know that Zelgius isn't the type of man to unnecessarily kill people and he is also very calculating. If he killed for the sake of competition then he might have killed Skirmir, a Powerful lion laguz and proved his strength. But killing Skirmir would demolish his original intents of peace talk. Like I said very calculating. He also took many abuses from Begnion Senators without retaliating. He even accepted execution for upholding his honour. I am pretty sure when he met Ike he must have realised his potential. In fact, Ike could be the only one to thwart Ashnard's and Sephiran's mad plans. Maybe, in all his disguise, he planned to have Sephiran's plan thwarted. I'm saying this because it would've been impossible for Ike to become this strong if his father wasn't slaughtered..He gave Ike this motivation. I do not deny that he wanted to groom him into his father's equal but he may have done this because he already calculated the possibility that Ike may be the only one who can save world from destruction. Even if Zelgius didn't assist Sephiran, he would've still succeeded into awakening Ashera. But because of how loyal Zelgius is to Sephiran he found an indirect path to foil his plans without actually confronting his master. This could be possible because of how much Zelgius looked up to Greil. And he believed that Ike is the only one who can surpass Greil and be the one to save the world.
@Alector12
@Alector12 19 дней назад
Edelgards whole shtick seems to allign with Rudolf and Walhart. Despite being a pretty intelligent character, her plan is kind of dumb and demands lots of unnecessary sacrifice and she is undoubtetly the main instigator of the war that plaques Fodlan for over 5 years. Its really hard to say if Edelgard deserves to hang with the Rigel boys up in Somewhat symphathetic tier but remaining stuck with guys like the Gharnefs and Ashnard is maybe a bit disingenuous. Maybe being in Somewhat Unsympathetic tier suits her best, surrounded by similar warmongers with sad pasts like Gangrel, Zephiel and Arvis. And speaking of moving up, though Rhea did, in her own words, questionable things, she did suffer similar tragedy as Medeus, seeing almost her entire kin slaughtered and turned into makeshift weapons by humans but did not go to drastic genocide solutions like Medeus, Zephiel or Sephiran and instead ruled Fodlan for over thousand years in relative peace. That is to say, she should most likely sit next to Medeus in the tier. Of course, these things, especially the 3H cast, are highly subjective. Oh, but Nemesis definetly goes to evil tier. This guy slaughtered dozens of innocents and made weapons out of their bones. It does not get any nastier than this. Honestly, I am baffled that Rhea allowed the reveration of Nemesis and the Ten Elites in the history books, hell, making most of their descendants even into nobles, after what they did to her family.
@link99055
@link99055 15 дней назад
I'm glad to see my boy Lyon up in that tier. I played sacred stones for the first time when I was in 7th grade, I think. His story always made me feel so sad. I revisited recently as a 30 year old man and still feel the same way. And the way they do that flashback at the end of the game? I cry, dude.
@3To3dSl0th
@3To3dSl0th 19 дней назад
Mangs, there are several important villains you skimped out on: Where would you place Gheb, Glass, Batta the Beast, and Oliver? :p
@raho500
@raho500 18 дней назад
And Kyza
@TheZackofSpades
@TheZackofSpades 19 дней назад
I think for me, one of the most “compelling” parts of Nergal is how hard you, the player, need to work to unearth his story. The conditions on finding his plot are so finite…so almost impossible to uncover without a guide…that it makes me more sympathetic. For some reason. Regardless, I think he’s well placed here.
@calamitoso0066
@calamitoso0066 19 дней назад
I think that Jedah is more like a reflection of Celica and her overreliance in her godess.
@Demonboy007
@Demonboy007 15 дней назад
Bruh. How are you gonna do Rhea dirty like that? Are we just going to ignore her people were massacred? Are we just going to ignore her people and her mom's remains were turned into WMDs? Are we just going to ignore the fact Nemesis worked with the people who had her people massacred with HER MOM'S REMAINS?! Are we just going to ignore that Rhea and Edelgard are perfect foils to one another? Are we going to ignore the fact that Rhea only put up the crest system and the 10 elites because politics forced her to? AND SHE GETS HIT WITH THE DRAGON DEMENTIA DEPENDING ON THE ROUTES YOU TAKE. This Rhea slander is wild. Literally every other villain that had a backstory got it told in detail. Rhea? "Her mom died, sucks to be her."
@ElvenRaptor
@ElvenRaptor 13 дней назад
Meanwhile, they're all but too happy to side with Edelgard, who actively assists her family's murderers.
@whiskey_barrel115
@whiskey_barrel115 19 дней назад
Lyon just got used by the demon king as a vessel, and that's the part that sucks
@grandarkfang_1482
@grandarkfang_1482 19 дней назад
Edelgard lost my sympathy when she sided with the people who ruined her life and brainwashed her in order to destroy the Church.
@pedroribeirodesousa9152
@pedroribeirodesousa9152 19 дней назад
Yeah it definitely feels like she went after the wrong target,if anything the church would have helped her destroy the agartgans,the church has issues but there’s a lot of way of going about fixing them ,also she tried to have the other 2 lords killed for no reason
@grandarkfang_1482
@grandarkfang_1482 19 дней назад
​@@pedroribeirodesousa9152She wanted them killed so they wouldn't get in her way.
@angelpearson696
@angelpearson696 19 дней назад
My thoughts exactly
@Isaiahpgn
@Isaiahpgn 19 дней назад
I understand why they wrote it that way but at the same time its the dumbest thing ever
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
The thing is, she didn’t exactly have the full picture so she got easily put in that situation. Claude was really the only one who pieced the entire puzzle together mostly because he had the most time and incentive to do so.
@nosefera2
@nosefera2 19 дней назад
Iirc, sombron was exiled and brought over an Emblem Ring, he lost that Emblem Ring after supposedly connecting with some in Elyos, gone emo, built an army and trusted nobody to get emblem ring powers, then travel to other worlds to find said ring. Doesnt change his rating tho lol.
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
"Built and army and trusted nobody". Nice.
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 14 дней назад
What happened to Dorcas
@jcly96
@jcly96 19 дней назад
I actually have a theory as to why dragons degenerate over time. I think what's happening is that dragons are SO powerful that a physical body is actually incapable of containing all that power so then their physical bodies deteriorate over time. However when dragons become spirits or find some way to supress or contain their power such as through the use of a conduit like a dragon stone they seem to be fine. Just a theory though.
@fufzooz
@fufzooz 16 дней назад
Nice one! Naga and Tiki are the perfect examples of overcoming that problem by becoming spirits or going to sleep so they can't deteriorate
@Lysvsyl
@Lysvsyl 16 дней назад
Completely misunderstood Rhea. She didn't want to experiment on Babies. She created Byleth's mom. Byleth's mom had a baby. That baby was dead on birth. She begged Rhea to save her child. The only way to do so was to use the mother's heart, which she gave up willingly. Rhea loved Sitri like a daughter and did so with heavy heart. I can understand seeing her unsympathetic, even when I disagree, however you are just straight up spreading misinformation.
@abstr4ct_c0nt3nt
@abstr4ct_c0nt3nt 9 дней назад
Rhea is a complex case because on one hand,his actions are irredeemable but on the other hand,she has redeemable qualities and justifications for said-irredeemable actions. Yet Mangs decided to put Rhea in the same tier as fucking Nemesis whereas Edelgard is apparently worse than both
@Delby5
@Delby5 17 дней назад
I got no sympathy for edelgard. If she just talked to Claude and Dimitri yknow the future rulers of their respective countries. They would’ve helped her. But she didn’t. And instead she caused a war.
@evilworld3147
@evilworld3147 14 дней назад
You know she could talk to Rhea about it as well. She tells her what happened to her, and she knows the truth behind the creast in three hopes timeline.
@Delby5
@Delby5 14 дней назад
@@evilworld3147 I mean I don’t count 3 hopes as canon but yeah. Literally could’ve avoided all that death and destruction if she only opened her god damn mouth
@Ubersupersloth
@Ubersupersloth 18 дней назад
5:25 In defence of Judah, there is a line in Echoes where Judah gives the impression that they believe it is impossible for humans to not live under a Dragon’s authority. An insane dragon is bad but if you believe no dragon means humans go bye-bye, I can see the logic of sticking with the insane dragon.
@STIRRUPLEATHER
@STIRRUPLEATHER 15 дней назад
I can't believe you didn't include Gharnef's "WHOA-HO!" from the OVA when talking about his backstory. You had one job, Mangs!
@Tizi1999
@Tizi1999 19 дней назад
I disagree on Zelgius. He may be a dick for killing Greil and forcing Ike to become the succesor of Greil, but he was also the driving force behind Ike becoming the man he is at the end of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. I also think that he actually cared a lot about Ike because he knew what happened to his mom and Greil's madness. This is important because he could have easily told him about it to have Ike tip over the edge, but instead he decided to taunt him in other ways and guide him by his mere looming presenece. It should also be considered that without Zelgius returning in RD, Ike had a reason to become stronger again which in turn led to him literally killing god. I still don't think that he should be placed any higher than "Somewhat Sympathetic" but I do believe that he is the best "Rival" character they ever made.
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
He was a good teacher. And a good friend.
@raho500
@raho500 19 дней назад
I would say Zelgius actions were immorale for sure, but it gave Ike an goal in life to become a stronger and grow as a person and swordfighter. He was not just a villian, but also an rival to Ike. (Since Boyd sucks lol) Ike always struggled to come up to his fathers expectstions but also idolozed him, but when he did, he suddenly had to be stronger and grow without excuses which pushed him further. Ike also stated that Zelgius was his last teacher and he was thriller to fight him again, as Elincia mentioned the BK survived. And since Zelgius' actions only effected Ike and Mist personally (I exclude the Greil Mercs cause they participated as a party on the war) I would consider him a somewhat sympathetic villian, since he never harmed innocent people. I mean he was a knight after all. I know you mentioned that it's kinda weird, but that what the narration says lol.
@a.e.5923
@a.e.5923 19 дней назад
I’m sorry but placing black knight, who spends his entire life as a tool of those taking advantage of his desire to belong, who is a fundamentally broken man who has been chewed up and spit out by society, who literally fought for 3 masters at the same time and still did not see himself as worthy of his success because he was not able to best his teacher (and he was right, Gawain would’ve dogwalked him if he hadn’t crippled himself) is SO much more sympathetic than Sephiran, and saying “I get it, humans kinda suck” is a lame answer. Zelgius is no dipherent in morality than zephiel, but almost all of his actions are at the whim of others
@hadoukenfighter
@hadoukenfighter 19 дней назад
posting before someone gets upset that Dimitri isn't listed here at all.
@kippies66
@kippies66 19 дней назад
Personally, I would move Nemesis down a tier because just like the Gharnef archetypes, not knowing their motives does not excuse them. I would also move Edelgard and Zelgius up a tier. Zelgius because aside of his interactions with Greil and his family, he has conducted himself honorably on multiple occasions. An honorable person with an inexcusable motive goes into 'somewhat unsympathetic' for me. As for Edelgard, she falls into the 'relatable motive, bad methods' category, which would also be a case of 'somewhat unsympathetic'.
@firenze6478
@firenze6478 19 дней назад
Edelgard also had very little choice. She has a couple years at most left to live thanks to her dual crests and would have been a powerless puppet emperor like her father helplessly watching her kids torment like he did had she not purged her court which would have already grabbed the church’s attention.
@makohidari4723
@makohidari4723 19 дней назад
Lyon is an interesting case. in one route. he is completely taken over by the demon king. in the other. he let the demon king corrupt him but stayed in control. Making him a bit harder to judge. Also. it was not just him losing his dad but he also found out most of Grado would be destroyed by natural disaster if he didn't do anything. Berkut... he truly was tossed under the bus by his uncle and pretty much just lost his mind in the end when he thought Rinea turned against him. Does not excuse him killing Rinea but still. As for Nergal. He left his kids behind and instructed them to use the dragons gate if he did not come back in time from saving his wife. Needless to say. he failed to save his wife and came back too late for his kids. Later. after meeting Athos and learning how to steal quintessence from knowledge in Arcadia to save him kids. He just went too far and was struck down and banished. Soon after. dark magic completely corrupted him. One can argue how much was his own doing and how much was the dark magic. Especially his actions in Arcadia. maybe Eremiya from FE12 and Raydrik from FE5 should have been on the list too..
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
Eremiya is kinda unratable for all intends and purposes. Like, do we rate the original Eremiya or the one we fight in the story? One is the sweetest woman ever but got overwritten by brainwashing only to be briefly restored later to be taunted and the other may as well be an AI programmed to only know to be horrible because she is a brainwashing-induced rewrite by Gharnef. There is really no meaningful conversation to be had, one version of her is in very sympathetic by default and the other in irredeemably unsympathetic by default, and neither is anyone's fault except the evil wizard who is so unsympathetic that he needs a new tier at this point.
@AceAviations2
@AceAviations2 19 дней назад
Was he really in control though? It's very possible that he was being manipulated in Ephram's route, in other words he was basically a puppet to the Demon King and doing his bidding while believing that he wasn't. Imagine not truly being in control of your own actions while thinking that you are, the thought of that is horrifying.
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 19 дней назад
@@AceAviations2 Ephraim route definitly muddies the waters and tbh, that's not really a good thing.
@pandabanaan9208
@pandabanaan9208 18 дней назад
@@lpfan4491 honestly I think ephraim's route inherently makes lyon so much more interesting, instead of the way too overused innocent possessed victim storyline they actually made lyon have some agency and be partially in control, he is essentially trying to overthrow the demon king just so he can look more impressive to ephraim wich is a dynamic that's very unique for the possessed villain trope, very few times does the possessed character actually get to rebel against his possesser and even fewer do we see the possessed try to out villain the ancient evil villain, to this day lyon is still one of the few examples of the possessed villain trope that actually tried to do something different and not follow the same overplayed story beat for beat
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 18 дней назад
@@pandabanaan9208 That would be cool. If they didn't pull a "nuh uh, he is not in control actually" at the 11th hour. Ephraim mode straught up does not know what to say, so it says muddied gibberish. Eirika's story is pretty stereotypical, but playing it straight allowed for them to craft something of quality. Being "unique" does not mean being good, it's like the plottwist idea of "You thought I was good? Nah, trolled" that is getting deployed way too much in recent years.
@tobiz1922
@tobiz1922 19 дней назад
the main antagonists are the early game bandits.
@fireembros1165
@fireembros1165 19 дней назад
As a content creator who has done a vid on this topic before this was a great watch to see a different opinion!!! Fantastic job, love this type of content! Edit: about Gharnef, they actually touch upon the darksphere and him and how it’s darkness took a hold in such a manner that he was even capable of surviving without corporeal form due to the influence of it. Now WHY he always bad is a mystery, but the amplification was proveniente from the sphere, which I think is cool little tidbit of lore.
@bonrulapaugh7164
@bonrulapaugh7164 19 дней назад
Damn good watch, thanks Mr. Eggman!
@JustCrazyDK
@JustCrazyDK 19 дней назад
I thought this was a Heroes Video with that thumbnail. "They're Grand Hero Battles give them a break...except for Edelgard."
@ASMRDoodlez
@ASMRDoodlez 19 дней назад
"Birthrates started plummeting and his fellow dragons went insane." *modern day intensifies*
@chaosprime1629
@chaosprime1629 4 дня назад
lekain also deserves to be on the list. he is arguably the main villain despite sephiran being the puppet master in the end but the former is the reason for the latter's descent into madness.
@kinglionheart50
@kinglionheart50 14 дней назад
Sombron said his entire race was wiped out and he was exiled to another world with only an Emblem as his companion as a child. Then he lost his Emblem and now is trying to gather enough power to travel the multiverse to find his Emblem again. While it might does not change his ranking, it is unfair to say he went evil because "he lost his jewelry".
@grandarkfang_1482
@grandarkfang_1482 19 дней назад
I would also say that Thales and Nemesis are irredeemably unsympathetic because Thales sends Nemesis with the 10 Elites to slaughter the Nabateans in the canyon of Zanado. Nemesis and the 10 Elites then drank the blood of the Nabateans they killed, and the Agarthans fashioned their bones into weapons. They drove Rhea to madness and to commit the horrific acts that she does. It's also Thales that forced Edelgard into becoming what she is. As much as Edelgard chose to do a lot of horrible things in 3H, Thales was the puppetmaster. I realized this whenever Edelgard talks about Rhea and the Nabateans in Crimson Flower - I can't tell if it's her talking or some form of Agarthan mental conditioning.
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
It’s moreso that Edelgard only knows so much, and has a harder time getting access to the information that Claude was able to get his hands on. Even Hubert was barely able to get part of the puzzle. That combined with the fact that she had to keep the support of the soldiers, puts her in a bad spot.
@HanakkoLove
@HanakkoLove 19 дней назад
Villains that have greater motivations than evil for sake of evil are great, but they're also really hard to do, which is how Edelgard falls flat when she is a self-made hipocrite by doing awful, basically iredeemable crimes to justify her means, which instead of seeing sympathetic, just looks pathetic.
@chillstoneblakeblast3172
@chillstoneblakeblast3172 19 дней назад
Dimitri is the One True King of Fodlan. Claude is just a foreign invader
@4wheal
@4wheal 19 дней назад
I also hate the fact that she is rarely ever challenged for her choices, definitely in her own route, unlike the other characters
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
@@4wheal All of the students you fight challenge her on her stance. Dimitri challenges her. Dimitri even has a private meeting with her during his route. Claude also challenges her.
@4wheal
@4wheal 19 дней назад
@@goroadachi9489 No, they dont they become yes men who go along with whatever she says the few that might raise a concern either give up or have to alter their beliefs to fit what Edelgard wants. That's because the writers know Edelgard can't stand as a character if people point out the joles in her logic. The Dimitri one in AM is one i will give you, and it's probably the best writer Edelgard is as a character in the game.
@goroadachi9489
@goroadachi9489 19 дней назад
@@4wheal Dimitri literally has a private meeting with Edelgard herself, and challenges her on her ideals. Even the students who join you do it for a specific reason, not tied to Edelgard’s beliefs.
@alexcanev7398
@alexcanev7398 13 дней назад
Happy egg talking about villains, made my day 😂
@ManaNek
@ManaNek 17 дней назад
I thought this was an insightful, well thought out, and concise overview of every villain 🎉
@themicrowaveableslayerofthots
@themicrowaveableslayerofthots 19 дней назад
Honestly I agree with a lot of this list with most things being pretty minor, but the main differences for me are that I would put Sephiran up a tier as watching the genocide of your people is something that I could easily see why you’d want the world to end and while it isn’t excusable, especially since he can join you kind of, I think he at least deserves some sympathy. Then for Nemesis, I don’t know if I made this up or what, but I always assumed that he did what he did in response to oppression from the children of the goddess and the depiction we see is really just the church doing it’s thing, but I could be wrong. Then the big one for me is Edelgard. Not because what she did was right or made even a bit of sense siding with those who slither, but because you need to keep in mind she did this all when she was a child. She saw pretty much all of her family wiped out and was tortured herself and, being that she’s a child, only saw one way out which was to side with the smaller force that she thought she could take out afterwards. Well thought out? No. But I think she deserves at least some sympathy considering her situation.
@canadadry5449
@canadadry5449 3 дня назад
Here's the thing. Some speculate that the emblem Sombron lost is Sommie, since Sommie appears on an emblem pedestal. If true, then all of his actions are understandable and 100% justifiable. Who wouldn't wage war against the world if that little guy left your side without notice.
@firenze6478
@firenze6478 19 дней назад
How is zephiel higher than edelgard? At least she isn’t trying to wipe out humanity and only has a few years to live
@aloysiusokon3334
@aloysiusokon3334 19 дней назад
And how is Medeus more sympathetic than Rhea, for that matter?? Rhea's not trying to start a war to subjugate or wipe out humanity, she's trying to prevent a war if anything. And she's a LOT more open to seeing reason than Medeus is.
@firenze6478
@firenze6478 19 дней назад
@@aloysiusokon3334 she and edelgard are literally mirrors to eachother. They should be the same rank wherever they are
@hanzou1238
@hanzou1238 18 дней назад
@@aloysiusokon3334 She kills anyone who opposes her and burns people alive in CF endgame. How is that more sympathetic than Medeus?
@hilgigas09
@hilgigas09 18 дней назад
@@hanzou1238 She killed people who made at least three attempts on her life and thought their position as priests would protect them from retribution. Sending Christophe (1), Lord Lonato's militia (2), Holy Mausoleum raid (3). To her it's not just to behead Kostas, a low-level thug, but spare someone who raised an army to kill her people. She sees no value in arbitrary titles when it comes to murder and banditry.
@aloysiusokon3334
@aloysiusokon3334 18 дней назад
@@hanzou1238 Because you sided with the person who started a war of conquest against her and the rest of the continent in that route- and note that that's at the endgame, after 5 years of war, I believe. Marth isn't trying to conquer the world for the "greater good". Also, that's only for the CF. In the other routes, Rhea's way less bloodthirsty and far more willing to own up to her failings and give up power. Medeus never does that.
@yukitono5633
@yukitono5633 3 дня назад
To be fair, Rhea's story is more about "reviving her mother", is about watching ALL of your kind slaughter after living harm harmoniously with the humans, not only that, watching *SPOILER* many of their remaining turn into weapons (bones into the weapons and hearts and blood into the crest stone. Rhea is only trying to revive her mother because she is literally a god, and by doing so Rhea also hope to revive all of her kind that was brutally murdered. About "using other people's baby for her own scheme", when Byleth was born, he was missing a heart, it only then did Sitri (his mom) beg Rhea to put the crest stone inside her (Sothis crest stone) to save the child, if Rhea refuses Byleth would just die, so I wouldn't say this is a selfish action. After seeing Byleth when he is grown, all she did was observe him and try to remind him memories of Sothis to see if Byleth has any of it, she did not experiment on him in any way. Sure you can see her being pretty violent and brutal if you side with Edelgard, but if you see the child you expect to revive your mother sides with the people you swear to destroy aka Those Who Slither In Ther Dark wouldn't your blood boil? Also if you play Verdant Wind/Silver Snow route, you can actually see Rhea slowly realizing her mistake, making artificial life, changing history to conceal the truth, ... And if you S rank support her it goes a little beyond that but to each their own. To sum it up, Rhea story was about watching your kind being murdered and their remains being used for war, so she was trying to revive them, that's basically it.
@vincentthelego7967
@vincentthelego7967 18 дней назад
I'm surprised Raydrik didn't make the cut. I know there's a lot I'm missing since I only brushed on a playthrough of Thracia, but being the twofold traitor would easily make him an unsympathetic character, being an opportunist with little regard for consequences.
@YaGameboey
@YaGameboey 17 дней назад
Regarding Gangrel: his mother was killed by bandits/died of illness when he was little and he grew up in the slums. The Grimleal picked him up to be their puppet king so he can screw up Plegia and people mass convert to the cult. Gangrel doesn't even like his countrys church cult. Conversations with the Avatar Robin reveal more: (M!Robin) he states that he tried to unite Plegia, Ylisse and Regna Ferox against Walmart and admits he went haywire during so. (F!Robin) getting his S-Support he says he needs someone to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid anymore. When Chrom finds out he survived (street pass dlc map), you meet a Gangrel who was treated like shit by a bandit leader the same way he did with his country to the point of not caring if Chrom killing him again and refusing to be recruited *twice* during the map. Making him talk with Emmeryn on the hot spring dlc map reveals he deeply regrets setting the stage for her suicide. He also does not comprehend why she still forgives him, being sure he does not deserved the mercy. Simply put, he never had anyone to truly be his friend and just be played into becoming an huge tyrant. I'd put him into somewhat sympathetic.
@AzumarillConGafasBv
@AzumarillConGafasBv 15 дней назад
Something I do not agree with you is the fact that you state that Rudolph sent Berkut to fight Alm, HOWEVER, Rudolph was always against the idea of letting him enter the battlefield in the first place, and every time Berkut ass got handed by Alm's army, Rudolph always told him to not fight Alm, other than that, the video is fine
@portalguy2246
@portalguy2246 18 дней назад
I love the lore videos Mangs! Some of my favorites you’ve ever done, happy to see another one
@portalguy2246
@portalguy2246 18 дней назад
Although you did miss Raydrik from 776, dunno if there’s too much to say about him but I did find his absence somewhat strange
@Kiwimite
@Kiwimite 18 дней назад
Love when you make these analysis videos!!
@alondite215
@alondite215 19 дней назад
I doubt any of Zelgius' story even happens if he's not born branded, so putting him in the "irredeemable" tier doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially in the context of who he was as a person and the good things he did. Being a great swordsman is all he had, so surpassing Greil was his ultimate goal. Hard to fault him for pursuing the only thing that ever really gave his life any meaning. I don't think he really intended to kill Ike or Mist, and was just hoping the threat would break Greil and cause him to hand over the medallion. I also don't think that his intention was to simply murder Greil; why would he want to? Not only was he his teacher and one the closest people to him in a life of loneliness, he doesn't _need_ to kill him in order to prove he's a better swordsman. I almost think it might have been a bit of an accident, overdoing it expecting Greil to put up more of a fight and ultimately killing him. We don't really get into Zelgius' head too much, though, so it's hard to say. Sephiran, on the other hand, is completely irredeemable. Decides unilaterally that Beorc and Laguz have proven that they don't deserve to exist, so takes it upon himself to orchestrate a series of events that would lead to their destruction. His despair is understandable, but his response to dealing with it is not. None of the other herons tried anything of the like despite all having the same motivation to do so. You could also say that he manipulated Zelgius and exploited his situation for his own means, even if they did share a bond. Makes the battle quote from Ike all the more satisfying: "I'm going to make your death as painful as I know how."
@ZX-Gear
@ZX-Gear 19 дней назад
To be fair to Sephiran. He is a Holocaust Survivor,Chat. Granted he skipped the Magneto Stage and went Full Apocalypse.
@hillnor6812
@hillnor6812 4 дня назад
I'm pretty sure it's not the case, but the Three Houses part feels like made by someone who either only played AM and read the other stories online or played them but ignored most of it. I feel like this because there's a clear lack of information about the things we learn in VW and SS. Also it's missing an important part from CF. -Nemesis: So, he killed an entire race to steal their power and reign over the world. Unless you're the kind of person who just betrays and backstabs people to climb in power, there's no way you can sympathise with him. He is 100% irredimably unsimpathetic. -Rhea: Killed the guy that killed her entire race (you said her mother, but, even though it is true, it's not the full picture). Then controlled the world to try to find a way to revive her mother. She is not a perfect ruler or anything and sure did experiments to revive her mother, but in her route you realise the only reason she implanted Rhea's heart in Byleth was because it was the only way to save her, and that the info you got was partially distorted to make her look worse. Regardless, she goes in either of the mid tiers, but the reasoning clearly lacked the full info, so maybe the placement would have gone 1 tier up. -Edelgard: I'm not gonna say edelgard is not evil, she is. Even in CF, in which she redeems herself a bit by reducing her relations with TWSITD and eventually eliminating them. Either way, CF story is of no consecuence as we're talking about antagonist Edelgard. What I can't understand is how Arvis who did the exact same as her are a tier above and she isn't. They both fith the exact same "the end justifies the means" model. Arvis redeems himself after everything he achieved breaks down. Edelgard is suposed to be a good ruler when she wins the war. They're basically the same villain in slightly different circumstance and they are judged completely different. In case of "Edelgard killed Dimitri's parent's" argument, feel free to check what Arvis does at the end of chapter 5. -Dimitri: He is one of the the main antagonists of CF, and should appear in the video. In any case, he would be in the very sympathetic category, he's not exactly perfectly nice, but he's not done any real evil beside wanting revenge for his parents' deaths.
@JustCrazyDK
@JustCrazyDK 19 дней назад
18:30 I pretty much feel bad for WalMart. Practically Alm's Heritage is just gone.
@WTFIWWML
@WTFIWWML 19 дней назад
It's not just losing "a ring", it's about losing the only thing you know and care for. It's a trope commonly seen in Chine novels, where a seemingly immortal couple that have been through thick and thin together, then one part just disappear and the other cannot truly function without it. I would say somewhat unsympathetic.
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