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How TCW Doesn't Fit Within the Expanded Universe 

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@ArcTrooperRod-269
@ArcTrooperRod-269 2 года назад
TADD LAR'KEN WOULD BE VERY PROUD
@f-zilla7347
@f-zilla7347 6 месяцев назад
Captain Fordo made a whole ass two part video going into depth on how TCW ruined the EU before Disney permanently killed it. Glad to know that others are realizing this, regardless if TCW was good or not because I’m merely speaking on the effects of the timeline/canon.
@SolurVoludun
@SolurVoludun 4 месяца назад
And the shills try to gaslight us into thinking the EU was never canon. Fuck them
@spartacus936
@spartacus936 2 года назад
The Clone Wars Multimedia Project will always remain the true story of what happened during the Clone Wars to me. I don’t think TCW is a bad show, but I feel that the CWMMP is more consistent with the films. The CWMMP and the Prequel Trilogy feel set in the same universe, while the Prequel Trilogy and TCW seem set in two different universes, especially because of Anakin’s characterization and Ahsoka’s existence, which is never mentioned in the films, as well as Darth Maul's resurrection. I'm a huge fan of the Prequel Trilogy, so I tend to prefer the old stories written during the making of the Trilogy itself (1999-2005), as they feel more authentic and really feel set in the same universe as the Prequel Trilogy itself.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
I agree 100%.
@davindeptuck7905
@davindeptuck7905 4 месяца назад
You don't need to 'feel' that, it's objectively true.
@starwarsfananimations
@starwarsfananimations Год назад
What’s worse, he retconned the ENTIRE Ahsoka novel with TOTJ which did a 13 minute diet version of the book that neglects to include any of those characters
@VogtTD
@VogtTD Месяц назад
Who gives a shit? Making the books and comics canon was a stupid idea.
@starwarsfananimations
@starwarsfananimations Месяц назад
@@VogtTD If they're not going to make books and comics canon then don't make them at all. If there is no canon, no continuity, then nothing that ever gets made matters or has any significance.
@jaffarebellion292
@jaffarebellion292 Год назад
To me, TCW will always be an in-universe equivalent to films like The Patriot. A holodrama that tells a great story but gets its history seriously wrong in places. I'd find it especially funny if a new EU work came out and referenced something like the Mirialan people suing the studio for their portrayal of Barriss Offee, one of their planet's greatest heroes. Battletech fans will get it. Hopefully no one issues a batchall against the judge this time around.
@Monkey_Boy9602
@Monkey_Boy9602 8 месяцев назад
Actually I remember reading something about how this show was supposed to be what the kids of The Republic were watching during the war. At least that's how it started.
@cillianennis9921
@cillianennis9921 8 месяцев назад
@@Monkey_Boy9602 I've seen people make comparisons of the opening crawl with the exciting music & the deep voice narrator making it feel like WW2 American propaganda movies which I think kinda supports your point. I feel like it kinda allows parts to work but the inhibitor chips should be considered non-cannon for the whole of it as well they don't fit the show or legends at all.
@Huff-Productions
@Huff-Productions 2 года назад
I seriously agree. It's sad that Dave can't write a story and play well with others while doing it and it's even more sad he doesn't have empathy for the people he screws over or their stories, they spend so much time and energy crafting not only a story but one in something as huge as star wars, they see their vision through and Dave takes a passing glance at it and says "eh it's cool but having a connected cinematic universe is overrated and I wanna do my thing". He definitely wouldn't appreciate it were it to happen to his stories and it makes me so mad. As a fan of star wars I can't even come to care about a new show or book or comic series because if Dave Filoni wants his version of the story then he's gonna have it no matter what. It bugs me even more when in reality the stories aren't even the best anyway. In the 15 years since Dave made his introduction into star wars he's always had the exact same writing method. That being a extreme over reliance of fan favorite characters. It made sense back in clone wars, the point of the show was to go back and fix characters from the prequels and focus on other specific characters. But dave never realized that that isn't all of star wars, the ot never had characters that needed fixing and rebels was a clusterfu,ck of clone wars and ot characters to the point where we'd have episodes dedicated to the random rebel group assigned to meet up with these characters and essentially be their body guards for episodes. Thankfully resistance didn't need that but when a 8 episode season of a show had more episodes dedicated to the main character bumbing into fan favorites and being their sidekick for a episode than his actual story it was just ridiculous regardless of the added in reasons for why it makes sense. From a writing standpoint it's just insane, and it could possibly work, but the method has gone from fan favs with good stories to shoving fan favs on screen and letting the nostalgia boner kick in and take over. After clone wars Dave was creatively bankrupt and it shows because he couldn't even make it one trimmed season into his show about space thieves/mercs/freedom fighters without needing fan favs to boost viewership and care. I don't hate Dave or even as a writer but he really just doesn't have ideas anymore or when he does it's very rare, as evident when looking at the bad batch premiere episode compared to the rest of the series. Having said that it's insane that he refuses to play well with others when he's using characters not created by him and doesn't have good storytelling skills anymore. One of the best things about the mcu is how well everyone works together outside of endgame, a 14 year old cinematic universe with so much continuity and care between almost 30 films and some shows. Every director knows that what they do has a effect on everything after, that they aren't the only ones involved in the story, that they don't run the show and have to play well with the others, that's it not just them but a whole team spanning decades and decades further possibly. And then you have Dave with absolutely no regard for whether his version of events retcon or ruin other's stories canon or legends now or then because he wants to tell a story without having to feel weighed down by what will come after or what came before. What's even worse is that Dave hasn't just stuck with his own work, he's wormed his way into every star wars show animated and live action his or not. Not only changing the story but the method and vision for the series set by director's last season or even episode, and once he gets into movies it's all downhill from there. I really hope Disney puts him in his place because if it doesn't happen soon he'll be too powerful having all their shows under his umbrella and consistency will be dead in star wars. And as master windu said he'll be too dangerous to be left alive
@Shadeius
@Shadeius 2 года назад
Good example of this is actually Rise of Skywalker. Say what you will about the quality of the film but it was revealed that Ahsoka had died at some point between Rebels and RoS since her voice was among the dead jedi. Filoni quickly tweeted image that basically said "No. No. She isn't dead."
@Huff-Productions
@Huff-Productions 2 года назад
@@Shadeius that's because Ahsoka is Dave's little baby and he refuses to let her die until she's been shoehorned into every piece of star wars content he can whether her inclusion makes sense or not, IE Rebels, Mando and BoBF
@wj3186
@wj3186 2 года назад
Paragraph spaces, my dude. Get with that. 💁
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
@Chosen One We have no reason to love Disney. They threw one of those timelines into the gutter and declared theirs the "canon" one. Extremely arrogant considering theirs came after.
@Bmedeiros-youtube
@Bmedeiros-youtube 2 года назад
Filoni turned dooku and grievous into Saturday night one dimensional characters. Especially with dookus portal in episode 2. Then going into the clone wars
@justinnyugen7015
@justinnyugen7015 2 года назад
Grievous for sure. Dooku however seemed much more powerful and menacing in the show than in the movie imo
@397llederson6
@397llederson6 2 года назад
@@justinnyugen7015 How
@VogtTD
@VogtTD Месяц назад
As if Dooku was fleshed out in the movies? LMAO
@turtek12
@turtek12 2 года назад
The healthiest approach, I think, is to just treat Disney the way HP fans treat J. K. Rowling's twitter account ("wizards shat on the floor"). They can say whatever they want is canon, but we should take it or leave it entirely as we want to. If you like Darth Maul being resurrected, more power to you. If you like Ahsoka, right on, man! If you prefer the OG 2005 Battlefront II's take on Order 66 more than the inhibitor chip idea (that's me), then the 501st Journal will always be canon. Heck, if you want to believe Grand Admiral Thrawn flew through a wormhole to the Star Trek universe and waged war against the Borg, enjoy! We can choose what parts of canon to enjoy or not, to think about or not, to add to our own fanfics (or not--depending on whether you're into that kind of thing) or fan theories. This might be misusing the term a bit, but "Death of the Author" means that the author can't really tell us how to engage with a work--and while it might indeed be sad that a story one liked won't be continuing, it's better to focus on the good times we had with our favorite works and characters. The best way to hold Dave Filoni accountable, IMO, is just to ignore him when we makes decisions we don't like.
@damienlarson4145
@damienlarson4145 2 года назад
They just should have remove TCW from Legends and have it only exist in the Canon so that way, you can please both fans of Legends and Canon.
@mazkeraid4039
@mazkeraid4039 6 месяцев назад
It would contradict the Prequel films regardless, and here is the kicker, one of the EU references still lingers in the K-canon timeline.
@BansheeNT-D
@BansheeNT-D 5 месяцев назад
One thing is worse than Ahsoka, the stupid brain chips.
@andrewmento-matos6692
@andrewmento-matos6692 Год назад
I absolutely love the TCW. But you are right it does not fit in Legends continuity. And it most definitely fits better in the New Canon
@Emma_2Banks
@Emma_2Banks 2 года назад
I hate Ahsoka, plain and simple. I know soooo many people love her for whatever reason but personally I don’t see a reason for her at all. Now she is being injected into everything. Her entire purpose was to make Anakins turn to the dark side more understandable…which it already was? I’m ok with Filoni because he’s way better than anything Disney and KK could do, but he’s not an angel for Star Wars.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
Her purpose was to be a genderbent Starkiller to use for marketing. Notice how TCW came out around the same time as TFU.
@Emma_2Banks
@Emma_2Banks Год назад
@@ltb1345 well now that you mention it. She is the apprentice of Anikin and she also had dual lightsabers that she held backwards. The similarities are definitely there
@jaffarebellion292
@jaffarebellion292 Год назад
Indeed. She's likeable enough after a couple seasons, but her relationship with Anakin did nothing to, if I were to borrow Matthew Stover's metaphor, feed the Dragon. If anything, Palpatine would not have tolerated someone with such a stabilizing influence on Anakin, and would've taken Ahsoka out as quickly as possible. She would never have realistically lasted five whole seasons.
@ChosenOne-il4bm
@ChosenOne-il4bm 7 месяцев назад
George Lucas created Ahsoka George Lucas said to Dave the eu isn’t canon The multimedia project in imperial propaganda Because it makes the mandalorians and the republic commandos has the good guys And the Jedi has the war mongors
@rannenw6207
@rannenw6207 6 месяцев назад
​@ChosenOne-il4bm What? The multimedia project is anything but Imperial propaganda. In the multimedia project They showed the Republic has severe loses. In TCW, it is usually tied up in a nice bow even with a WW2 esc narrator at the beginning of each episode. Of course the Commandos are the good guys, of course not all Mandalorians are death watch hell they even canonized Mandalorians who fought for the republic with The Protectors even though in the Mutli Media project they were CIS. The Jedi absolutely are not a perfect organization that can do no wrong they even show that in TCW.
@darthlucasfuu
@darthlucasfuu 7 месяцев назад
Dave Filoni: "I don't like to be put on a box, I like to have total creative freedom!" Then why you don't simply create your own franchise, cowboy? lol
@filmgoblin5016
@filmgoblin5016 3 месяца назад
Cus he doesn’t know how to lol.
@zero1zerolast393
@zero1zerolast393 2 месяца назад
That doesn't even explain so many of the canon problems. If Dave just made new characters, half of the canon problems would go away. As much as I like the Clone Wars, I honestly think Dave just wanted to make as many contradictions to make Star wars his pet project
@symptomaticseb2303
@symptomaticseb2303 2 года назад
As someone that doesn't care about the EU or Legends it's still sad to see this is happening. TCW is my favourite Star Wars content but the thought of how Grievous talked to Kenobi in ROTS although they fought before really bugged me so when I saw this video i was curious to find out more. I never realised how much TCW really goes against all of these older books.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
Well, TCW doesn't so much as those books do. According to the order of things at the time. That was the point of making all those stupid Canon categories.
@Fardawg
@Fardawg 2 года назад
Lucas dictated the changes, not Filoni. Lucas was the one who saw the EU as non-canon and said so many times. He used bits and pieces from the EU from time to time, but usually wanted to throw his own spin on them that contradicted the EU versions.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
@@hoodwinkiez Wrong. Those books were written as the Prequels were coming out. TCW came out years after all of those books and ROTS.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
@@Fardawg This same silly rhetoric has been disproven so many times...
@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429
@thatonenerdwhoreadsbyhimse5429 6 месяцев назад
This is why I kinda can't stand Dave Filoni. The man doesn't want to be put in a box but he'll cause headaches for everyone else. It just tells me that he isn't that creative of a writer nor a good one for that matter. TCW as a whole is an unnecessary contradiction to the rest of the EU and six original movies.
@loganberlew3191
@loganberlew3191 Год назад
While i do love TCW from an out of Universe, but i am a legends purist at this point, and i treat TCW like i treat certain things from the Disney Cannon, i incorporate things that i like from TCW and Canon and throw out most of the rest of it. I include things like hando, the bad batch, and maul while throwing out things like the Kyber crystal bullshit and the inhibitor chip, aswell as Anakin having a padawan, i retconn it into her being a friend of anakin instead of a padawan
@user-ux8ey5oi5i
@user-ux8ey5oi5i 4 месяца назад
Kyber crystal was in canon (legends)
@usgpillarofark3980
@usgpillarofark3980 2 года назад
Great content! Not to mention the awful way the portray Quinlan vos back in s3.
@vasylkasra
@vasylkasra 2 года назад
Like I posted on your Filoni video, the CW multimedia project (CW, the comics, the books) still count as long as it doesn't directly contradict TCW. That was per Leland Chee on his blog as late as 2011, before the website got rehauled. I can show you the web archive if you want.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
Disney bought Lucasfilm in 2012, so it doesn't really matter what Leland Chee said as late as 2011. I don't mean to be snarky here. Just, we have to accept and move on. If it's prior to Disney, it doesn't exist unless they say it does.
@vasylkasra
@vasylkasra 2 года назад
@@hoodwinkiez and the EU was discontinued on April 25, 2014, which means the statement was still relevant to the continuity until that date.
@spartacus936
@spartacus936 2 года назад
The problem is, if we eliminate all the Clone Wars Multimedia Project staff that contradict TCW and leave only the staff that don't contradict the animated series, then all that would be left of the Multimedia Project would be the 2002 "The Clone Wars" video game, the original Clone Wars series, three Issues of the Republic comics and the novel "Shutterpoint". So, wouldn’t it be easier to ignore TCW and take into account exclusively the Multimedia Project?
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
@@vasylkasra Heck, the EU continued even after that, since the final issues of the Legacy comic came out in November or December 2014.
@firestrikerii810
@firestrikerii810 Год назад
@@hoodwinkiez Yes it does matter what Chee says
@ibmm3358
@ibmm3358 11 месяцев назад
10:06 If i remember correctly, Grievous and Kenobi actually fought once in the obsession comics and that took place right before Epsiode 3 i think.
@otminealnamer1385
@otminealnamer1385 7 дней назад
What I hated especially was the whole inhibitor chip thing. It's basically the whole midichlorians thing all over again IMO. Basically, it was just a McGuffin to avoid TCW writing itself into a corner. It made the mistake of making clones relatable and very sympathetic, something you'd expect from a 30-something year old volunteer for the Republic army with a wife and kids at home. I like the sense of brotherhood, something found in all people in military life, but I really think they should've been a lot more psychologically aloof and stoic, reflecting someone raised since birth to be nothing more than a disposable, but elite, weapon. Palpatine to them would be like a god would be to a child of a secluded family of zealots; they would not question order 66 at all, because chain of command and following orders was all they knew. Clones always should've been just the first generation of stormtroopers from the very start, faceless and devoutly loyal to Palpatine, not needing a "plothole-patch" chip to suddenly rewrite them.
@bendu8282
@bendu8282 2 года назад
Interesting video. Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well. "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I dont know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005 “There are two worlds here; There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” - George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001 “Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it’s hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, ‘OK, go ahead.’” - George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007 When people don’t know this or don’t want to accepted a lot of confusion happens in the fandom over what matters and what doesn’t. This isn’t me saying George didn’t care about the EU or that it’s not important this is me filling in the facts, the concept of parallel universes or a multiverse for different specific continuities has been there since the start of the EU so fans can tell their own Star Wars stories while George can tell his own Star Wars stories since he is the head of Star Wars. Disney trying to make this all one timeline and just erasing other Star Wars continuities is contradictory to George’s approach with Star Wars. Fun fact The early Clone Wars that came out before Revenge Of The Sith, Star Wars Clone Wars (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky was originally apart of The G-Canon because under George’s direction it was meant to explore The Clone Wars at the time, George & Filoni’s TCW was also meant to be an extension of that original show but it ended up just being added to The EU as a Secondary Canon or C Canon over time. Now this is my more speculation approach To The Star Wars Multiverse with facts and opinions of what happened in it. The G-Canon which is George’s personal canon is episodes 1-6, his ideas and plans for 7-9 and his ideas of what came before the events of episode 1. Sometimes he includes The TCW(2008) show but while mostly a great masterpiece that show still has its own inconsistencies. He also originally included the (2003) clone wars show back during the run of the prequels and they still match a lot with the continuity of the films so they’re technically still canon but toward the later half of them like TCW has inconsistencies that can’t be un noticed. The EU is Universe Two of The Star Wars Multiverse where all the old iconic Star Wars books, games, and such come from and the events of the 2003 show coexist in this universe as well but the first two universes have a few events that co exist. Star Wars TCW (2008) from the end of season 5 -7 kinda branches off into the Disney canon timeline, as in George’s original vision Ahsoka would’ve died in Order 66, furthering Anakin’s fall to the Darkside so that happened in The G-Canon but in Pre Disney Canon when George was about to sell Star Wars To Disney Filoni made Ahsoka a survival arc because he was in the Ahsoka lives camp. Their are a few other things which cause inconsistencies by the end of season 5 to season 7 but I won’t get into that. That alternate timeline which lead to The Disney Canon continued with Star Wars Rebels and later Star Wars Resistance leading to the infamous Disney trilogy (famous if you like it.) So yeah we have three main universes. G-Canon, EU , & Disney Canon and a multitude of minor alternate timelines inbetween all of them.
@justmike3018
@justmike3018 2 года назад
I think that's well put together. You took those quotes from George at face value and made sense of them considered what we have for Star Wars in it's entirety. Seems like the right page to be on when discussing Star Wars continuity; the most important lines in the sand are drawn.
@bendu8282
@bendu8282 2 года назад
@@justmike3018 well most people think there’s a metaphor behind them but when Lucas flat out says alternate universes it already tells me what he intended.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
​@@bendu8282 None of it matters. What George said back than, it doesn't matter. Anything and everything prior to the 2012 Disney acquisition of Lucasfilm is fan fiction until Disney says otherwise. There is no expanded anything. No multiverse anything. Making everything Legend was probably the most brilliant thing Disney has done with the franchise. Like Deadpool, they cleaned up the timeline.
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 2 года назад
@@hoodwinkiez far from it
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
@@kingorange7739 Move out of your Mom's basement already.
@deltacommando130
@deltacommando130 2 года назад
Dave is suddenly giving me major Rian vibes... Then again, he always did kinda look like him.
@SolurVoludun
@SolurVoludun 4 месяца назад
I like TCW but only as a standalone show, but trying to watch it as part of the Expanded Universe (which is the only legitimate canon by the way, Disney and shills) it just sucks
@TurKlack
@TurKlack 2 года назад
There are some clear intications what Star Wars is, on which Filoni shits on. 1. Clones have no Brainchip. They knew they would eventually kill the Jedi from the beginning. They weren't the victims, they are villains. 2. Luke is the last Jedi in the Galaxy when RotJ ends. The only other alternative to Luke would be Leia, if the former should fail. A person with 0 Jedi training was the best shot in the eyes of Kenobi and Yoda to defeat the Sith. In other words: Ahsoka is dead. As well as all the other Legend and current Canon Jedi. 3. The Force isn't magic. Having the lightsaber crystal act like Harry Potter magic wands is so retarded I despair by the thought people could like the idea. 4. Speaking of Lightsabers, they are goddamn weapons. Everyone could use them. *EVERYONE* 5. Jar Jar Binks had 10 years after the end of TPM to become a somewhat decent Senator. Filoni made him devolve back into a moron that stumbles around like an Idiot on Meth. 6. Count Dokuu wasn't *just* evil. 7. A sentient intelligent species cannot stay an infant for 50 years. Go to hell Grogu. Ah yes. Darth Maul is dead. Noone survives being cut in half. Cauterizing the cut won't help him survive the loss of half his body and when his body finally found solid ground he would be goddamn mud. He's dead. Deal with it.
@EternalEmperorofZakuul
@EternalEmperorofZakuul Год назад
Maul's real mother gave him up to Palpy to spare him the life of a night brother
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
Lmao.
@jaffarebellion292
@jaffarebellion292 Год назад
I don't think they knew beforehand, but that was the point. They had no intent to kill the Jedi. There was nothing for the Jedi to pick up on that signaled intent to do harm, which is why it worked. In most canon sources at the time, the clones' genetic design and psychological conditioning made them incapable of disobeying or even questioning a direct order. Order 66 was obeyed automatically, but they would've been just as obedient had the Senate issued Order 65. The only source I recall which indicated they knew was Battlefront 2's campaign, which is S-Canon.
@Kindasortamaybe
@Kindasortamaybe 2 месяца назад
With TCW in the EU I cherry pick what is important and what makes sense in continuity. So Savage and Maul reeked havoc during the War, Ahsoka existed as Anikans Padawan and due to Sheev having the Jedi Path after her, she probably died after the war. The Mortis Arc happened. Mandalore had multiple governments maybe, also Prime Minister could've just been lieing. Ignore Grievous getting beaten by Gunguns. Jar Jar canonically gets laid. Ignore the Evan Peel death. Adi Galliah must've just gotten better after Grievous stomped her. As for timeliness discrepancies don't worry about it. Also Aura Sing just didn't use a lightsaber or force powers at these points. Idk. Dark Disciple would've been super weird to fit in and I try to cram it in for the fun of it, Quinlan Vos just went back to Dooku again and turned again. That book also explains Ventresses death. Her being a Nightsister is odd but like sure. She had notes in the book of Sith about that. Heir to the jedi I see as legends since it was originally written for that continuity. Idk I just have fun with it.
@dennishicks2440
@dennishicks2440 2 года назад
A parallel universe for Legends continuity" is a FABULOUS IDEA! George Lucas controls the first universe, and The Fandom controls the second universe. And" there should be a meeting of the minds (original and Fandom) to discuss a crossover -to keep The Franchise spicy & dicey!🌈🤓
@wgundamz
@wgundamz 2 месяца назад
Great video. I would appreciate you feedback on a story. How can I get in touch?
@SlashManEXE
@SlashManEXE 2 года назад
Some of it he defended by saying they were Lucas concepts originally, like Maul and Ahsoka. Which is fair, but Lucas has a right to make those canon-breaking decisions whereas I don’t think Dave has that same authority. Plus, something like Bariss Offee staying with the Jedi and dying in Order 66 is from the development of Episode III (deleted scene). Overwriting that means overwriting George, and that’s a step too far
@Fardawg
@Fardawg 2 года назад
Lucas overwrote these things himself. Lucas oversaw everything in TCW and every story was approved by him. This isn't info that is hard to find. Sometimes Dave would question an idea Lucas had BECAUSE it contradicted continuity.
@Spartacus547
@Spartacus547 11 дней назад
Imagine the chaos that will happen if Disney is purchased by some kind of rogue billionaire like Elon musk and then hired something studio executive that hates woke Disney, so they retcon all the movies that Disney has made and the majority of the TV shows first one on the chopping block the acolyte and now Han Solo Luke and Leia are alive they could recast and do new movies like heir to the empire, and the Jedi academy series
@MasterChief-xt6ip
@MasterChief-xt6ip 7 месяцев назад
At last I find someone who likes TCW and acknowledges that it can’t fit in the EU.
@Livelongwforce
@Livelongwforce 2 года назад
please do a video on the "story group" who they are the what they do
@kofola9145
@kofola9145 21 день назад
It does not even fit the canon. As it was created to rewrite the original theme and message of the prequels.
@SolurVoludun
@SolurVoludun 9 часов назад
That show was the beginning of the end for Star Wars
@aloruus
@aloruus 10 месяцев назад
Almac is a Death Watch Sympathizer of course he would decree that the true Mand'alor is just a mere bounty hunter and because of the second season of The Mandalorian we know that Jango was adopted by Jaster Mereel so open season is some what canon
@primal1233
@primal1233 Месяц назад
Star Wars the Clone Wars is an amazing show I don't care what anyone says.
@Lord_Numpty
@Lord_Numpty 4 месяца назад
Lost respect for him a while ago, round about the same time I realised he looks like DSP in a cowboy hat but not because of it, though I can't honestly remember why, probably something to do with The Mandalorian. Lost a good chunk more after realising he was trying to shove Ahsoka, HIS character, into wherever he could even when it meant _she'd_ overshadow established, beloved characters. Lost anything that remained last week after finally reading a comment suspecting that he's not a fan of Star Wars so much as what HE thinks Star Wars should be, ie; his creation/reimagining. Only change I'd like to include in canon is that of the Clone Troopers, they were the heart and soul of TCW and the reason I kept coming back.
@filmgoblin5016
@filmgoblin5016 3 месяца назад
I really don’t get how T-Canon didn’t just fall into C-canon or go under it? Instead it became it it’s own canon and got placed over C-canon.
@maxnuyen4932
@maxnuyen4932 3 месяца назад
simply put, I always thought TCW was always it's own thing, it doesn't really blend into any sort of other star wars media, wither it's legends or the prequel films it's based off of
@zshah3107
@zshah3107 2 года назад
How about Filoniverse TCW should have fixed the continuity errors it caused on Legends!
@thestarkknightreturns
@thestarkknightreturns 2 года назад
It's pointless to fixate on the canonicity of every single material. As a longtime fan of Marvel, DC and Star Wars comics, I've long ago learned that the best way to approach it is to take it for what it is: a fluid succession of events with multiple interpretations which roughly lead to the foundation of the same basic features the characters possess. Only that they manifest through different iterations. It's even better than adhering to a single version of Canon. This way you get more of everything you like, and you can pick and choose the parts you like the most. At the end of the day, this is fiction which is made to entertain you and if possible teach you a thing or two about existence, ethics and the human condition. The more you get exposed to different versions of conveying those same messages, the better. PS: even if a story you really like has just been decanonized, it will still be there for you. It still exists, so you can always get back to it.
@MattStormage
@MattStormage 3 месяца назад
Is there a list of EU material that should be disregarded if you want to pretend TCW isn't canon in EU? You mentioned Fate of the jedi (which is sad, since that is half of the legacy era according to the wiki). Anything else? I know there are some Maul novels, but I don't know if they reference TCW or not.
@UnluckyCantaloupe4
@UnluckyCantaloupe4 4 месяца назад
TCW is proto Disney canon
@SolurVoludun
@SolurVoludun 4 месяца назад
And that’s why it’s not canon
@hoyer
@hoyer 5 месяцев назад
Can’t wait for a movie where maul kill Ashoka to motivate Ray palpatine
@Jake-dm4rk
@Jake-dm4rk Год назад
One thing people don't usually talk about is how much like how T Canon trumps any lore below it, g Canon trumps t Canon so... anything contradicted in g canon by t Canon is non canon... so the clone wars has non canon elements....
@Starwarsfearsome
@Starwarsfearsome 11 месяцев назад
I love both clone wars and am glad tcw is part of the eu but there are major problems
@thetrisdamian
@thetrisdamian 2 года назад
Bad batch was okay when it started but then it just dragged out for no reason, it could have been like 6-8 episodes but it was dragged out so I lost interest
@8bitmagic
@8bitmagic 2 года назад
You make some good points but I do still like the shows overall.
@valetudo530
@valetudo530 2 года назад
I think that he is saying the same thing...
@cillianennis9921
@cillianennis9921 8 месяцев назад
I feel like T-cannon should just be moved below the C-cannon that way their can be more of an idea that it exists in the events of legends but most of it is more a corrupted retelling that misses points & such. I saw someone say that due to how every episode starts much like WW2 American propaganda films that maybe the series is well Republic propaganda. Which kinda makes sense as they are winning the war despite it being known to have been the separatists who where winning. Also Anakin being a Knight at the start of the story. I feel like it makes the series work but you just take it that most of these stories are not how they really happened. I'd say certain things such as the Ashoka maybe was the real terrorist in reality but since she was among the main cast in these propaganda films she is sparred that in the story which would explain her being exiled for really no reason. You can do this for more with this idea just to make it fit in the continuity. Like I'd assume anything to do with the inhibitor chips is not actually cannon to legends since its a stupid retcon that removes from the kinda grotesque nature of Order 66 as many of these soldiers where friends with the Jedi they served under & yet they so easily turned on them. Also Leland what's his name I cannae spell it but you know who said that he had told Dave that he couldn't use some Jedi who died in the Movies & yet he still used him. He's one of the Darth Maul looking guys with hair he is kidnapped by Grievous in an amazing episode but the guy shouldn't have been used when another basically identical character did exist. Anyway I think that's all I can add.
@Fardawg
@Fardawg 2 года назад
Lucas was the one shifting away from the Expanded Universe in TCW, not Dave. Lucas was the one who completely changed the Mandalorians in TCW, making huge continuity errors with the Clone Wars books. If anything, Dave was the one who wanted more of the EU in the stories.
@darrylwalker3976
@darrylwalker3976 Год назад
Source?
@mineturdle6518
@mineturdle6518 Год назад
George Lucas
@darrylwalker3976
@darrylwalker3976 Год назад
@@mineturdle6518 is there some footage or tweet im unaware of
@mineturdle6518
@mineturdle6518 Год назад
@@darrylwalker3976 no I don’t have an specific tweet or anything but just search on GL opinion about Legends and then you will see it and GL was the creator of the TCW and his word was final and a lot of his ideas in the shows are the ones that contributed to destroying legends if anything Dave is actually a big fan of legends
@darrylwalker3976
@darrylwalker3976 Год назад
@@mineturdle6518 i will give you that george lucas was careless with this show mainly the whole moraband debacle but im pretty sure dave was responsible for some of these changes
@jcmahrt5100
@jcmahrt5100 4 месяца назад
Ah yes, use facts about Revenge of the Sith or the OG Trilogy which came out long before Star Wars the Clone Wars series which came out in 2008, which was at least 3 years after Revenge of the Sith hit theaters. Really smart.
@larryhinson947
@larryhinson947 Год назад
This is simple . Expanded universe is not Canon. The Clone wars is. Get over it.
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
Wrong.
@joshtaylor9626
@joshtaylor9626 11 месяцев назад
Y’all are haters filoni is good
@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS
@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS 10 месяцев назад
How
@ymirs4400
@ymirs4400 2 года назад
It doesn’t really matter if it contradicts since expanded universe isn’t canon, and it had a lot of bad things compared to the clone wars. If you’re a originalist, if you go far enough back the clone wars were a bunch of clones of existing characters fighting the Jedi controlled by the “clone masters”. The prequels directly contradict that, so getting butthurt about stuff contradicting canon is kind of pointless. Just enjoy what you want and don’t get so hung up on details
@kingorange7739
@kingorange7739 2 года назад
Except it isn’t. The 90s material was made at a time where George never got his chance to craft what the Clone Wars was and he explicitly told them not to use that era. Of course what’s funny is because of the EU’s continuity being maintained in a management later on these retcons left room for the story to be expanded rather than turning the EU on its head. Something Sheev makes clear
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
@@kingorange7739 Exactly.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
Everyone has their own idea of what Star Wars is and/or should be, but Disney owns Star Wars and we do not. Rage against the Disney machine all you want, but it won't change the fact that everything you or I once loved is bs fan fiction and has no place in Canon. Canon, meaning one universe. The very concept of multiple canon was always ridiculous and I am glad that Disney killed it. I hated George's Prequel films. I thought he did a terrible disservice to that story. I had to pound sand, because it was his universe and I had to live with it. You Sir, now have to do the same. And no matter how much hate you poor on Dave, he did save Bane, regardless of what planet that was on.
@pablocardoso7830
@pablocardoso7830 2 года назад
Yes, they own Star Wars, that doesn't mean every single thing they do is free of criticism because the franchise belongs to them. That didn't stop people from trashing George's work on the prequel trilogy when he was the one who owned the franchise. We don't give a shit who owns the saga as long as the content has some quality, which Disney's Star Wars severily lacks. Also your "unique canon" bullshit argument is both a self-contradictory and an imbecilic statement to make, since it has been proven in less than 5 years that neither Dave nor Disney can keep continuity in their new canon, because there is a lot of contradictions between the new books, the new comics, the TV shows and among the films themselves. The Force Awakens tries to reboot the Original Trilogy, The Last Jedi tries to reboot both TFA and the OT and The Rise of Skywalker literally undoes everything that came before. They've literally made the exact same mistakes again, only far worse than before. So if you're going to criticize the old EU for their multiple canon heriarchy and then praise the new Disney canon for doing the exact same thing, then congratulations: you're a hypocrite.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
@@pablocardoso7830 When did I ever say it was free from criticism. You clearly read English Mr. Cardoso, but do you comprehend English? You seem to have skipped the first half and jumped straight into the second half of what I wrote. Not only did I say we all have our thoughts outs, but I aligned myself with the video's creator in that post.
@kasam0308
@kasam0308 2 года назад
Dave Feloni's a hero of his
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
@@kasam0308 I want him to bring Embo to live action. :)
@ltb1345
@ltb1345 Год назад
Of course you're a Prequel hater, that explains everything. We're not just going to forgive Disney for everything they've done. Their canon is what's fan fiction.
@matthewfarmer9500
@matthewfarmer9500 2 года назад
The EU isn’t canon. The Clone Wars is canon. Get over yourself.
@thejediarchivist2720
@thejediarchivist2720 2 года назад
You just unironically commented this.
@Magicpickle5
@Magicpickle5 2 года назад
The EU is superior, so who cares.
@odatatsunobu
@odatatsunobu 2 года назад
@@Magicpickle5 Let him enjoy Sequel Trilogy. That is also canon.
@Magicpickle5
@Magicpickle5 2 года назад
@@odatatsunobu if he wants to be a loser with shit tastes, then so be it.
@hoodwinkiez
@hoodwinkiez 2 года назад
@@Magicpickle5 It's not a matter of taste. It is just the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.
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