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please go to the Brunei Museum and refer back to the Salasiah of Brunei. Plus, the interior of Sabah never being colonized by any of the Sultanates as it was under tribal organization. There is no evidence yet in the part of interior Sabah being dwelt by any of these sultanates. If there is a referendum, I don't think Sabahans want to be part of The Philippines.
Sabahans see themselves as a sovereign state within a federation and would rather have Sabah be independent than part of the Philippines. If there is one country that could said to be the rightful owner of Sabah it's Brunei, not the Philippines.
The real owner is the people of Sabah and what they decide is ultimately the answer... Many of the people there don't want to be part of Malaysia or the Philippines.. Sabah and Sarawak may vote to be independent and govern their own future.. that is true democracy. This should be true of all people in any part of the world.. no man or country owns the world, it is only the people. I don't mean to disagree with anyone or the history but this is 2023 not the middle ages. We have the same problem 1000s of miles away and the same conflicts and for the most part caused by the same people.. I respect you all but control your own destiny ❤
Sabah will never belong to the Philippines. 1) they never have, 2) they don't speak anything like the same language, 3) they are ethnically different, 4) they have a different legal code. However Sabah shares many of these with Indonesia.
@@Hovite_WandererAll this points if more than enough to end anymore talk of claims. Philippines should focus instead on China’s ridiculous claim on their territory.
Sabah is Sabah. Not Filipino. Not Malayan. Outsiders will be outsiders. Even Filipino coming to Sabah seek for Safety & Jobs. Please take care of your people 1st. If Sabah is under Filipino I don’t think it will be prosperous. It will be ethnics tension as happening in the Philippines. Sabahan is a peaceful people. Not a war tribal people. Just read the History of the Ethnics in Sabah and you will know how rude this Sulu people with Tax & invasion to the peaceful loving ethnic living inside the heart of Sabah. Maybe for you guys never felt peace & freedom, but Sabahan do. In Sabah, the biggest drugs trade, smugglers & illegal trades are from the Philippines, and since they are seller & consumers, crime rates is high. Go & experience living with the Sulu and try living with the indigenous people it is like days & nights different. I met a lot of dishonest Sulu people in business in Sabah. I don’t hate Filipino, I love the Tagalog & Visayan. They are good people. Even the Filipino here don’t want to get mixed up with the Sulu because to them, they are totally different people. Please stop dividing up people. This is 2023. Please fix your community. Even the Badjao sea gypsy also don’t like the Sulu people because they are forced to work in street asking people for money if not they will be beaten. The poorest people living in the street can still afford to eat like normal people here. Sabah don’t have PagPag because the community here even the Sulu is living a good life. Although im mentioning about Sulu, i don’t hate them. I know life is hard, not all is bad, most of them also don’t want to be ruled under Philippines. That’s why they cry when get caught & sent back to the Philippines. Some ethnics fear for their life. They run to Sabah to escape the violence in Philippines & yes most also run to Sabah after doing crime there. Again I stressed here, let people live happy, don’t & stop bringing trouble & problem to Sabah. You maybe can denied me, because you living in denial.
@@x1991xx have you not seen it. You have been judged by the international arbitration court. I never said who live in it however you must talk to the arbitration court because there is a ruling that you owed the heirs of Sultan of Sulu $14.93B.
That's what many people don't know. Even in India, British didn't just came and conquered. East India company was first given Nawabi, a feudal lord position in Bengal by Indian rulers and rights to collect and submit taxes. They later fought other such feudal lords and started acting independent.
In short binudol ng british ang sultan of Sulu. Nabudol na sa renta na mas malaki ang rent na bayad sa Brunei na maliit lng ang area na nka lease. Ung sa area ng sultan of Sulu mas malaki ang area mababa ang renta na binabayad. Patu sa lease contract may budol din gawa na Britanya. Cession dw ung padjak. Grabecang pag budol sa sulatanato ng Sulu. Hindi nila napanginabangan ung oil & gas resources at fiesta ang Malaysia binigay on a silver platter ang sabah sa kanila. Yan british empire ganid yan sila kasama ng mga kaharian ng europa nuon.
when u talk about how british and spanish make agreement without involvement of native people, u should also mention about how brunei and sulu sultanete make aggrement without involvement of native sabahan. majority of native in sabahan are kadazan dusun which have different language and culture compare to malay brunei and sulu.
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Philippines owned Sabah but unfortunately, Sulu is no more, Brits have left and Philippines have no power to make it an issue. Arbitration? Of course, Malaysia won’t participate bcos it is a non issue to them
The British is interested only in its resources. Kaya tayo inaway ni British nung nag claim tayo sa Sabah kasi yung potential na oil deposits kaya Shell is very interested. British supplied arms and training to MNLF via Malaysia. UK even banned PAL to land in UK preferebly Heathrow. Kaya nung 70's ang Airbus sales team nag protocol kay PFEM sa malacanang, Marcos countered if the UK allowed PAL to land at heathrow they will buy A300B4. Kaya Airbus lobbied with the UK Govt to give PAL landing rights. Nung naibigay na bumili si Marcos via PAL ng 13 A300B4.
The only one get benefit from this was the sultunate of sulu, the philippines and EU ICC. Because malaysia pay rent to this people and this people will increase the rent price whate er they like. XD
Malaysian filipino hating on Philippines for being colonize and loyal sa USA hindi nila alam ganun din bansa nila😂nung namatay si queen Elizabeth naka flash yung bandila nila na isa sa mga Commonwealth chocho😅
@@Userkangjihoon23451 ibig ko sabihin ganun din sila colonize ng westerners pareho sila ng Singapore, ang thailand kunwari hindi daw sila na colonize pero matagl na sila kaalyado ng france.
@@Userkangjihoon23451 dami mo hanash dunong dunungan kapa sa geographical ,ang point jan wala tayo maasahan sa ASEAN.military alliance dahil loyal din mga mukong sa colonizer at #1 investor nila.mga muslim dito sa pinas gusto mag federal ang pinas lapit daw sila sa kapwa muslim nila indonesia at malaysia makipag alliance para mahiwalay ang moro sa pinas.in the end dito sa asia magkakapitbahay din tlaga nag gigyera
@@Userkangjihoon23451 hindi ko lang sinabi kung san bansa galing si queen Elizabeth nagulo na utak mo .bakit mo naman isipin na amerikano si Elisabeth binanggit ko nga Commonwealth wala nmn ganyan amerika dahil democratic ang America ganyan natin?
sulu sultanate is foreigners to Sabah, have nothing to do with Sabah, we do not have any history of any sulu ruler anywhere here in Sabah, sulu sultanate have no right at all to be here, we never defeated in any battle with sulu, never conquered or ruled by sulu at all, you are not telling story you tell sulu sultanate lies
Maybe you should cover the final decision by the Spanish international court rejecting the arbitration rulings by the french court, also claiming the appeals are null and void ?🤔
Latest as in June 2023: 1. June 6th - Paris Court of Appeal had set aside and annulled the previous Paris Court (lower court) ruling awarding the heirs of the defunct Sulu Sultanate. 2. June 27th - Dutch Court of Appeal had dismissed a bid by eight descendants of former Sultan of Sulu to enforce the arbitration award by Paris Court (lower court) ruling, and dismissed an attempt to seize Malaysian assets following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. 3. Paris Court of Appeal also imposed on Sulu €100,000.00 (Euro currency) to be paid to Malaysia as legal cost. 4. Mean while in Luxembourg, a second attempt to seize Malaysian Petronas assets had been filed in Luxembourg Court due for hearing in September 2023 after the first attempt was dismissed. This will likely be dismissed too following the Paris Court of Appeal decision. Malaysia had spent around RM32m, equivalent to about USD6.6m to deal with these Sulu claim cases in various European courts, in Madrid, Paris, Luxembourg and Netherlands. Apart from the €100,000.00 Sulu has to pay to Malaysia as legal cost, Malaysia is planning to sue Sulu for compensation for the loss of RM32m spent. As for the arbitration proceedings in Spain, the Madrid Court didn't reject the arbitration ruling by Paris Court because Sulu brought their case in Madrid Court first. Madrid Court rejected Sulu's case and ruled in favour of Malaysia. Failing in Madrid, Sulu brought their case in Paris Court. If they were sincere they should pursue further in Madrid Court of Appeal, not ran to Paris. Stampa's action of bringing the case in Paris Court after Madrid Court had already rejected their case was seen by Spanish judicial authority as contempt of court. This prompted the Spanish judicial authority to annul Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator and Stampa's arbitration which awarded Sulu USD14.82B was also annulled. Criminal proceeding was also taken against Stampa. Sulu and Stampa made an appeal to Madrid Court of Appeal but their appeal was rejected. Later Spanish Constitutional Court upheld the annulment of Stampa's appointment as an Arbitrator.
But how can Philippines claim Sabah?sultan Sulu also Philippines Don't legal them in Philippin?only sultan Sulu can claim Sabah if they have any documen..but they Don't have any legit documen just story
😮 Not surprised the BRITISH, are the best CONNED artist ever! Enjoying and leaving through the privilege of of others countries. And played the superhero through the whole world! The condescending knowledge is best suit the power of the most colonizer.
Sudah kuredhai pajakkan dengan keredhaan dan kesukaan kita sendiri kepada tuan Gustavus Baron von Overbeck yang tinggal dalam negeri Hong Kong dan kepada Alfred Dent Esquire yang tinggal dalam negeri London... sampai selama-lamanya sekalian perintah dan kuasa yang kita punya yang takluk kepada kita di tanah besar Pulau Borneo dari Sungai Pandasan di sebelah barat sampai sepanjang semua tanah di pantai sebelah timur sejauh Sungai Sibuku di sebelah selatan. and tiadalah boleh sekali-sekali kuasa dan perintah yang dikeredhai dalam pajakan ini diberi atau ditukarkan kepada lain bangsa atau kompeni daripada bangsa asing kalau tiada dengan keredhaan perintah bawah duli Queen terlebih dahulu.
as per se; the Austro-Hungarian empire also butt in the concession of North Borneo (a.k.a. Sabah or some parts of it at that time) to be as a penal colony by the Austro-Hungarians therefore the North Borneo/Sabah dispute is much more complex rather than simple when it comes to the land validity between the Republic of the Philippines' and Federation of Malaysia's role about the disputed land of Sabah and the people that themselves inhabit by the Federation's and Republic's people that co-existing in such way.
Very interesting history lesson my wife is a Filipina from Cebu and grew up in Davao like Duterte she told me that Sabah was really Filipino territory. I was shocked because all my life I thought that Sabah was part of Malaysia. Also how come I never see you mention Japanese Imperialism?
Interesting,will continue watching your video, kindly inform us who was the last sultanate of sulu and its succesor if who is he? , we love to hear from you, thank you
Paano ba mabawasan yaang galaw mo, nakakailang eh. Ilang square miles ba ang binigay ng Sultan ng Brunei? Ang galaw mo pala ay siya ring kain ng salita no, kontrolin mo yan pare.
Subai niyu tuntutan amo manga pihak British hasab gumua dain sin pagjanjian halaum sin katas kabayaan sin karua pihak Brtish iban kasultan Sulu Philippine
Your exposition on the subject is highly informative, to say the least. But I would appreciate it if you could support it with your sources, and I mean, both your primary and secondary tools of research.
Half of North Borneo was leased to British Chartered Company by Brunei and the haft by Sutan of Sulu .The proof of facts sabah has the markable stone which was surveyed by British Colonial in Town of Tawau which a Markable stone lies near the Mosque at the edge of the road and the second one is at River Sagaliud,Sandakan and last one lies at Sikuati Kudat.People of still do not know such about .
no village under sulu sultanate, Baron De Overbeck create that made up agreement with sulu sultanate in 1878 just to precede Spanish attempt to take over Sabah by signing their made up agreement with sulu sultanate, there is no actual village ever under sulu sultanate rule anywhere here in Sabah in the past
Belongs to the king if sulo.called sultan of sulo.Sabbah production of oil and gas. Why Philippines government not helping the sultan of sulo? They can pay proty taxes to Philippines 🇵🇭. KawawA in our Filipino Muslim no help for government totally survivor. Philippines have military to protect our citizen country ,why did not helping our Filipino sultan even he is the king in community still need protections. Now the sultan family losing their property part of the Philippines 🇵🇭. Now we need actions to get it back.
As complicated as it is, I doubt Malaysia will ever yield Sabah easily to the claimants - the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate. Will the conflicting parties be able to reach an agreement? A compromise perhaps? It seems unlikely. In part 4, I hope you touch on the Spanish arbitration award that supposedly favors the claimants of Sulu, and what are the possible scenarios where this might lead in the future.
@hopelope1703Malaysia has no animosity and animomity nor documents that they possess to the land...THEY USURPED THE LAND IN GUISE OF ENGLISH AUTHORITY OVER THE NORTH BORNEO EAST INDIES COMPANY NOT THE TRUE SOUVEREIGN OF THE CROWN OF ENGLAND AND GREAT BRITAIN FOR THE SULTANATE OF SULU CO-EXISTED WITH THE BRITISH CROWN IN THAT ERA
Ya memang betul Sultan Jamalul alam orang dari Brunei bukan Philippines dia saudara Brunei dia berketurunan orang Brunei sebab Mama dia orang Brunei ☺️☺️
Sabah was never part of the Filipinos. Why the Filipinos want to take over Sabah by force bcoz of her natural resources (oil & gas). Filipinos are rejected by the Malaysians in the state of Sabah.
So the Culprit of this Problem between the Philippines & Malaysia is the BRITISH, UK forgot.about the.Sultanate of Sulu where they are Paying RENT up to this Date.
Good readings including some comments.. Hope China will not use discussions on Sabah for propaganda purposes to negatively affect the relationship of Phils & Malaysia which both Exclusive Economic Zones seas are being claimed by China.
Filipinos do not care about Sabah anymore.This discussion will only affect Phils/Malaysia relations, as both have parts of their EEZ waters being claimed by China.
Sabah benefited so much from the British administration and the western enlightenment. It helped us to transcend from the primitive native civilisation into a more advanced modern civilisation that is today.True Sabahan are forever grateful and indebt to the British. I hope our current government can continue to learn from the west and focus on long term development plan. Malaysia should allocate more resources to the state so that Sabah dont lagged behind other states in Malaysia.
@hopelope1703 Which comment would you want me to rebut? 🤣🤣🤣 Which world are you talking about? or ha ha ha ha. No wonder its hopeless Does your comment have a sense?
@hopelope1703 Rebut his comment first, provide your arguement why Sabah isn't historically part of Sulu. It's you who should rebut. So, now go, provide your proof, sources, etc.
As a Yank born Filipino I may not have money, but have a historical treasure chest. Well, Brunei, Malaysia and Indonesia, like it or not we appear to be family. Kain na Tayo!
@Hope Lope you won a stay order in France that mean the seizure of Petronas assets will be hold on abeyance only in France but the ruling is the same.😅😅😅😂🤣
@Hope Lope The International Arbitration Court say so. You keep asking that asking that question. Sultanate of Brunei shrinked because of mismanagement😁😁😆😅😂🤣
This is a simple ownership issue. Malaysia is one of the few countries that allows foreign ownership of property. This is just a simple land ownership of a Filipino in Malaysia that is older than the Malaysian government. Philippine government do not have to get involved. The Sulu sultanate should use Malaysian courts to settle the land ownership issue. They may have more favorable tax settlements with Malaysia than Philippines.
Malaysian courts are biased and essentially stooges of the Malaysian executive government. Justice for the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate will never be obtained from Malaysian courts.
Well..no matter how much you wanted to say sulu owned Sabah.. well had to break it up to you..all the relation ended when ww2 happens when the Japanese conquered north Borneo…. The reason British came so far to retake Sabah from Japanese..well it’s a war.. so technically when ww2 ended British owned Sabah and then Sabah choose independence..so yeah..
if we want to follow just history then every country will have a claim on something. We live in a modern era with modern law. once a country border recognized then thats it. Sabah belongs to msia now. It was never philipines and it will never be. move on.
Sabah was never part of the Phillipines now and ever. The Sabahans totally reject the Filipinos. Sabahans only speak Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia and never Tagalog. So, stop be a dreamer!
Do not be a fool. Pajak is not just lease but closer to mortgage. Relying on non-Malays to translate Malay is ridiculous. Even the Tausug call it Sanda, which means mortgage. The terms is forever, clearly written in Malay written in Jawi scripts. The English version stated it clearly as cessation. You do not rent something forever, with no recourse to claim it back, or even transfer the lease. Transferring the lease to the Filipino government means that the agreement is invalid. Read the agreement in full, instead of cherry picking phrases that only you want to believe.
@@adolphdelatorre3102Read the terms of the payments. mortgage is also paid like rental idiot. The agreement is between the Sulu Sultanate, and not transferable. The Filipino government cannot claim any right. Understand. Your merdeka action is an invasion like Russia invading Ukraine. No matter how powerful you are, do you think you can win?
@Hope Lope and why malaysia paid its rent before.. it is a sign that malaysia agree that it was a rent... also even a court know that malaysia not followed the agreement
Sabah, Kalimantan and Sarawak should declare independence from Malaysia and Indonesia, then create a Federation including Brunei (while maintaining their independence) for joint self defence and development? I would love to see Palawan included as it is more Bornean, not part of the Philippines by nature or techtonics.
Geology and geography is not the basis of sovereignty and territory. With that logic, no modern country would exists. All should be redrawn on the map.
The reason why it is pointless to debate to whom or where Sabah belongs to is because of a number of things: 1) Straw manning(using legal documents that prove their point): Luring clueless Filipinos about documents made back then that were ambiguous to all parties be Pro-Malaysian or Pro-Philippines ownership of the said islands 2)Appealing to Authority: as to who is currently owning or in control of the islands or to what nation the islands belong to is out of the question and therefore shouldn't be the crux of the argument against the "so called claimants". 2)Black and White Thinking: "Concept of Proof" within science based thinking is a whole lot different from mathematics or logic based thinking,When you say that something is “proved” within math or logic, it can be taken as immutable, but in science, this isn't the case. Science can be viewed as a method that helps us to asymptotically approach objective truth (i.e., something that is absolute), but we can never claim to know anything with 100% certainty. Now to eliminate politicizing this case let us view this in a matter on Where?and when did things get fuzzy and confusing and as if the Philippines when did the switcheroo occurred? When the British East India company dissolved the following lands should have been given back to its respective constituents. Ok?so the question is how is this fair?when the british east india company dissolved in Sabah, it should have been given back to Sulu Sultanate,the Brunei Sultanate,(Sarawak..?)..it should have ended there.
@Hope Lope thats right,u are right! with then where is it that is confusing is ?it is with the language and we have 2 types of language being interpreted in both countries. Which is where the black and white fallacy goes, retrospective point of view does neither prove anything because the papers falls apart with what islands originally these islands belongs to. With respect one of the claimants has been so called "manipulated" by either parties which is now the crux of the argument. By using a piece of paper u have now gained some form of "aide of confidentiality and trust" from the "Sultanate of Sulu"as an ally during those times. But also by making these "politically drastic moves" to gamble the northeastern portion of sabah to the Kingdom of Sulu, u have carried a huge weight of mistrust by revoking the said islands back because u now have new allies(foreigner/colonizers) which you have now agreed superceding the earlier treaty and also it is the same move that was done by the Sultan of Sulu, as they were now slowly being manipulated by the Americans and even massacred to charging suicides against huge guns and armaments by a more advanced country
In other words there's really a no contest here, Sabah does belong to Malaysia, but the SHAME, the Shame that Malaysia has been carrying with her for the past century that she would scuttle every treaty and every alliance when faced with a bigger threat of a country in exchange against her neighboring brother whom 1.) he has much more closer ties to 2.)much more closer bloodline 3.) much more closer culture 4.) Much more further history In other words it was a brash and unprepared treaty made out of indecisiveness, faced in grave danger and foreign threat and you guys don't even have to hide, you would want to keep this friendship between the philippines and you guys have to give the Sultanate's heirs hush money because it will always be remembered in HISTORY. As long as there is history it will always be remembered AGAIN NO DISPUTE HERE FROM ME BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE WINNING PARTY WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONE TELLING THE HISTORY RATHER THAN LISTENING TO THE LATTER.
Your four Ha ha ha ha's constitute this as some sport you would want to take but the south of the Philippines, the fringe areas has Four decades of insurgency,infighting,insurrection, and internal division,...and here we are laughing this one off.
To the ones reading this(except you hope lope) notice the 3 points he makes in his case, u better stop feeding the troll cuz ive shown him/her how he/she puts his foot on his mouth.
Wasn't the ambiguous language ("pajak") in the 1878 agreement clarified in the 1903 confirmatory deed? (www.officialgazette.gov.ph/1903/04/22/philippine-claim-to-north-borneo-vol-i-confirmatory-deed-of-1903)
