How THIS Became The Worst X-Men Movie 

C'mon! The Dark pheonix was always super famous for standing behind other bad guys and doing nothing... right?

Matthew Vaughn was one of the co-writers on The Last Stand and directed/wrote X-Men: First Class. Writers do not have more control on a project than a director. 🙄

Also, it sounds like you didn't watch the video before commenting. 🤣

Kinberg wrote Star Wars Rebels

The studio butchered A LOT of the original movie, dude. I mean they changed Skrulls as main villain just because Disney wanted to use it as Captain Marvel's villain, they changed the third arc from space battle to train battle: they literally changed everything.

😂😂😂😂 yes

X-Men Origins: Wolverine might be worse, but it's definitely a two horse race.

The Last Stand is worse Brett Ratner was doing only what he was paid to do, nothing more

Last stand is dope as fuck ​@@Zombiesnyder13

Idk, you see new mutants?

Yes, but the major reason is that in the first movies, Avi Arad was working only as executive producer, which was reason why they worked But for TLS, he decided to step in as the main producer, thus gaining more control Arad is known for carrying more about making movies as toy commercials That's why the story was so shallow overloaded with characters Same thing lead to the failure of TASM series and Venomverse, because of Avi Arad's very existence

Yeah Brett Ratner was more known for buddy cop movies like Rush Hour. Red Dragon was solid by him, but I agree.

soon as I heard that one of them was dead set on forcing Dark Phoenix into the story of the third movie it instantly made sense why that movie was all over the place, they should have waited but he was way too eager to jump the gun.

Eh, he may not have helped but he didn't write the thing.

@@genius179 brett ratner is almost equally known for MUSIC VIDEOS. THATS the problem lol. Can’t believe the studio trusted that dude with the 3rd film lol

As any catastrophic failure should 😊

Look at Madame Web!!! That movie will pay bills for reviewers for the next 2 months as it goes to streaming.

😂

I guess there is that

Fox Studio people didn't care about the source material, only about money 😒

@@ChineduOparathey didn’t profit nor did they get a reputation boost.

@@patrickiamonfire965 Yeah but they TRIED. If they were focused on telling the best possible stories, they would have at least *read the comics* and maintained some sense of continuity/coherence across the movies. But they were too busy doing Lord Knows What to actually FOCUS, so they lost money AND got no reputation boost. Serves them right, IMHO

@@ChineduOpara that’s big studios for you. They always want a easy cash and not pay their employees properly.

@patrickiamonfire965 And let's not even talk about WB/DCs attempt to "chase Disney-Marvel" and "fast track" their DCEU, remember that debacle? MoS, BvS, and then suddenly, Justice League. Like WTF. No wonder they had a revolving door of execs announcing film projects, getting their bonuses, and bailing out ASAP.

- The movie is a Phoenix origin story and most superhero franchise start with an origin story. 🙄 Even in the comics, readers didn't care about Jean until she became Phoenix. - Jean was a deeply trouble people who was traumatized by causing the accident that killed her mother. Her entire in the movie was learning to overcome that.

@@agentofchaos7456 stop defending this pile of dumpster fire that is this movie. It's sad.

@@primefamous Nothing sad about having critical thinking skills. ;)

@@agentofchaos7456 critical thinking haha good one 🤣

@@primefamous Still think Matthew Vaughn wasn't a writer on X3? ;D

Hans Zimmer said that he didn't wanna work on superheroes again, but he made an exception with this movie because he liked the concept and Simon Kinberg's approach Even with everything going south because of Disney, he did his part and to perfection His score alone made this movie worth watching, at least for me

@@Zombiesnyder13 I listen to Gap at least once a day.

Well, at least Hans delivered an amazing soundtrack for this otherwise terrible film.

Same thing with the Fant4stic movie. Marco Beltrami and Philip Glass killed that score

​@@Zombiesnyder13I think this would have been decent if Marvel and Fox didn't interfered

I just don't get how they can't figure that out

The thing about Dark Phoenix is that it was a HUGE arc. You’d need to give it the kind of attention that Marvel gave Thanos during the first three phases…

​@@grahamstrouse1165 It was only a huge arc if you combine it with The Phoenix Saga. Dark Phoenix was less than 10 issues. Split the whole thing across two films and it'd be fine.

I think the other thing is that we don’t know who Jean is in either version outside of her romance to Scott (and Wolverine) and being Xavier’s top pupil. And the Pheonix force is often seen as either a corruptive force or a powerful side of Jean. But nothing establishes what type of character Jean is. The answer should include the phrase “Sanctimonious Bully”. That she martyrs herself constantly by doing the right thing to get the praise from others. That she always believes that she’s doing the right thing, even if it crosses breaches of trust. In the pre-giant sized stuff, she literally kept secret that Xavier was faking his death to work on some tech uninterrupted. During the Phoenix saga, she keeps it secret that Corsair, Cyclops’ dad is alive. In Dark Phoenix the comic, she rewrites Kitty’s Dad’s mind to get him to enrol her in the institute and she says “it’s okay, Scott. The professor and I do this all the time”. Heck, cut to the Claremont revolution in 2000 and it’s heavily implied that she kept the secret that Xavier had trafficked a girl from the Hindu Kush, Sage, and was training her to be a spy in the Hellfire club.

Did you even watch the video? Because you're really misinformed. This movie is suppose to be the first film of a two-parter. Also, it was the main plot in Dark Phoenix, not a subplot. Did you commented before watching the video.

They kept on goin with Magneto switching sides, it got played out

It's quite crazy that Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg did such a great job in Days Of Future Past and then they literally dropped the ball in Apocalypse

They SHOULD have continued the franchise from the "future" ending of DoFP, but they insisted on keeping that dumb decades gimmick going, where characters are ageless for some reason.

@@15Candles Apocalypse was smoothly splendid to me in case of Fox getting owned by Disney.

@@15Candles Apocalypse should have been split into two movies.

Covid.

This movie was so bad, my dad actually called me after seeing it with my stepbrother (who was a little kid at the time) and told me do not waste money on a ticket. Because of that, I still have never seen this movie lol

@@lawrencetalbot8346 If you like stories about mental illness/trauma it is worth watching.

You clearly didn't read the Dark Phoenix SAGA. Because it wasn't a single story and Last Stand was not a better adaptation (even Chris Claremont said so). I bet you don't even know who Chris Claremont is. 😆

Also, did you not watch the video before commenting? Because even it admits that it is more faithful to the comics than Last Stand. 😆

​@@agentofchaos7456 He was just joking you fucking weirdo, stop reading your comics 2s and touch some grass maybe. With your cringe 😆😆😆, you think someone care about what you're saying ?

@@agentofchaos7456 neeeeeeeeerd!

@@Vivi_9 Better to be a real nerd than a pretender like @PricefieldPunk and many others. 😆

It was so strange and so limiting? Why crash yourself right up to the time of the PStew-Ian McKellan movies for no reason, when you could have made so many movies with your stacked, lauded and well liked new cast? James McAvoy did not age two and half decades between those films so why imply that he should have?

New Mutants came out after Dark Phoenix.

For sure

Also, did you not hear about Deadpool & Wolverine?

New mutants was good th9

You're misinformed. Deadpool & Wolverine is credited as a 20th Century co-production. So its run never ended.

yes yes we can everything they said they tried to to was the wrong approach you can jam tons of npc in a background without effecting story. The fact he did it twice is a problem. renameing the skrulls would work if the rest of the script worked. Skrulls shouldnt have even been in the movie to begin with it should of been the shiar. None of this would have been a problem you cant have grounded superheroes in space with aliens and space battles and cosmic god like beings your ether all in or all out. As soon as simon pitched grounded movie in realty fox should of passed or told him the phoneix story is off limits. Which it should of been to begin with.

@@ejc2064 The grounded tone also worked, the action sequences didn't have to be as bombastic and frenetic as the MCU's The train battle was the perfect example. Because of this grounded approach, the movie was allowed to have more practical effects, and so was able to look more convincing than anything from the MCU done recently

​@@RayMcElroy50true the train sequence is pretty great

reminds me a bit of the failure of spiderman 3, oversaturation, too much going on

@notthegreatestdetective and also Avi Arad giving himself more control over the film.

You didn't watch the video before posting? It literally mentions that the movie was suppose to be the first of a two-parter. This was movie is meant to be an adaptation of the Hellfire Club arc.

Do some of the actors think they're part of the MCU or something?

​@@Chardan001Yup, the main actress for Madam Web thought it was gonna be connected to a wider universe

i certainly struggle to keep track much of the time, i mean these days i just assume a property is owned by Disney, when it isn't, first i'm shocked, then i assume its probably Paramount or something

Matt Smith asked Karen Gillian if he should do marvel movie and she encouraged him to (since she plays nebula in the MCU), which is why he accepted the role in Morbius, unaware of the difference between Sony Marvel and Disney Marvel

@@rorylynch7775 I recall he said superhero movie.

Many people assumed it was the finale of the X-Men series and judge it on that merit though. However, it is obviously not a finale and the series is still going. So some of its criticisms are misinformed and poorly aged.

@@agentofchaos7456 where's the evidence to back up such a claim? Is another xmen movie coming out based on these characters and timeline?

@@MyZ001 Yes. It's called "Deadpool & Wolverine".

A "grounded" alien invasion movie centered around a cosmic entity taking over a human mutant, going crazy, and destroying the planet... What a great idea!

You hit the nail on the head. Movie producers love the idea of making franchises "more realistic" because they're embarrassed by the source material. They don't respect the lore and visual style of comic books.

Of course a man said this!!

@@twiggycosmicyob stay mad that she sucks. Tons of great actresses, she’s not one of them

@@TheMMAKasual name your top 4 favorite

@@twiggycosmicyob Jodie Foster, Kaitlin Olson, Kathy bates Uma thurman.

@@twiggycosmicyob of course a woman would make an ironically sexist remark about an objective statement because it was made by a man

opposite for Wolverine, started bad, ended great

you're so right

Dang, not even doujin?

They replaced the Hellfire Club with aliens as the villains. Other than that, it has the same basic narrative structure as the Hellfire Club arc.

Nobody remembers that one

Yes but because it was released direct to streaming during a time when theaters were coughing for profit, it barely counts. It’s like if HBOMAX counted Batgirl.

I remember watching that one, and it is a C- movie by default.

Yes

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpI remember

Because the movie was an adaptation of the Hellfire Club arc, not the Shi'ar arc. This is mentioned in the video.

@@agentofchaos7456 I'm typing about the Skrulls being used and replaced with generic alien species #5 instead of just using the Shi'ar. The Hellfire Club is made up of mutants. They didn't even *need* aliens for that part of the story.

@@Monkey_Boy9602 The Shi'Ar are not actually villains though and at that point it was too late to make major changes like that.

@@agentofchaos7456 I was only wondering why they thought that they *needed* The Skrulls when I felt that the Shi'ar would've been just fine as the antagonists instead. Not as the villains, but as a race of beings who wanted to contain the Phoenix Force aka Jean Grey. This would put them at odds with the X-Men since they wouldn't want her taken to an alien world to be imprisoned. Especially when she hadn't done anything except get unwillingly possessed by it! Skrulls are more Fantastic 4 villains anyway. It was stupid for Fox to use them in the first place. I can only think of a single story where the X-Men dealt with a Skrull, and it wasn't during "The Phoenix Saga"! In fact, they had no idea one was involved until after he was killed while he was impersonating Wolverine.

The filmmakers wanted to be grounded and use the Hellfire Club. The studio wanted to use the Skrulls.

​@@agentofchaos7456 In this case I would've sided with the filmmakers. 12 films feels way too late in the game to suddenly drop in a bunch of aliens.

Did you not watch the video before commenting? Because all they did was change the villains from the Hellfire Club to aliens.

I count inserting Skrulls into a story that didn't need them as a replacement for X-Men villains who are already established, as fucking up the adaptation. If you *need* aliens in an X-men movie, the Shi'ar are right there in the books, and even featured in the Dark Phoenix saga. I must assume you only skimmed the video, as my comment was about how the director of this movie wrote the first failed attempt at bringing this story to the screen. @@agentofchaos7456

Accepting a rational, legitimate, and factual reason is WAY less fun than to freak out and point fingers at everything else.

You didn't watch the video? Because it literally points out that this was suppose to be a two-parter/trilogy.

The Skrulls appeared in the Dark Phoenix Saga.

@@agentofchaos7456 My point is that IF you REALLY wanted to do the Dark Pheonix right then you would introduce the Shi'ar empire as they are integral to the Pheonix story, not just as an appearance but as a full ally/opposing force to the X-Men. It practically writes itself without effort AND if full in the X-Men mythos.

@@rdstovall That was the plan for the sequel.

@@agentofchaos7456 they should have planned for the moment.

@@rdstovall They did. And then the proposal for Disney's buyout of 20th Fox came. Because of that, the sequel / 2-part idea was killed and limited to tell the whole story in one movie.

Honestly, it did a lot right… except for Sunspot and Dr Reyes. Frankly, I breathed a sigh of relief when I realised that this wouldn’t be the same Rahne whose character had fallen off multiple cliffs over the decades. Elixir doesn’t need to have an amber alert out on her.

I actually liked it, and think it was better than the last 2 X-men movies

@@MyZ001 Hell yeah, it was!

The Last Stand's Phoenix story was less developed than the new take. Not to mention it was also pretty ableist.

Did you think Logan was boring/bland for being grounded?

Because they replaced the Hellfire Club?

Did you not watch the video? Because all the movie did was changed the villains from the Hellfire Club to aliens.

@@agentofchaos7456 And yet, they still fucked it up. Adapting a story doesnt mean it's gonna be good just because they used "most" of the same story beats

no you're wrong

But sadly, mcu is going to eat every fucking thing: deadpool, xmen, spiderverse, venom (Although I did hear venom won't go into mcu now, not sure) Mcu gave us a great many films, the best version yet of whole interconnected universe thing, but I hate them for absorbing all the other marvel comics based universes into mcu

But it was a horrible film so 😢

Bet you didn't said that after watching Deadpool 3 xD​@@rajK29_

@@rajK29_ the tone especially, thats what i loved about going to the cinemas in the 2010s that the Fox universe, however flawed, always had a distinct tone and feel to it. never tried imitating mcu even when dc did

And it was a sloppy mess because of it, like an even messier multiverse saga

Did you watch the whole video? Because the only major difference between the movie and the comic is that they replaced the Hellfire Club with the aliens as the villains, and that is because the filmmakers weren't allow to use them. It says this in the video. Seriously, it sounds like you posted the comment before watching the whole thing.

​@agentofchaos7456 The only major difference between the movie and the comic is the comic is actually good. This movie is shit

no

LMAO Did you not watch the video before commenting? Because the only major difference the comic and the movie is that they changed the villains from the Hellfire Club to those aliens. 😂 lol Stop parroting what you see online. Social media is bad for your critical thinking skills.

@@agentofchaos7456 Look dude I’m not parroting what I see online, I was just saying that the 90s show did a better dark Phoenix sage adaptation than the movie. Is that wrong?

@@zeldagameryt4018 The movie is an adaptation of Jean/Phoenix's origin story, not the whole Dark Phoenix Saga. It was suppose to be the first film of a Dark Phoenix Saga/Inferno trilogy (as mentioned in the video). So that comparison doesn't really work. It is silly to expect a saga to be told in a single film.

The Hellfire Club arc in the comic was like that.

The filmmakers didn't have much of a choice in this case, as mentioned in the video.

no it's not

This isn't a ranking video.

He didn't direct The Last Stand. It sounds like you didn't watch the video.

@@agentofchaos7456 I never said he directed The Last Stand but he did write it. Sounds like you didn't watch the video or read my comment correctly.

@@primefamous Directors have much more creative control on a film than a co-writer (Matthew Vaughn and Zak Penn were also part of the writing team). That is why directors get most of the credit when a film works or doesn't work. I assumed you had basic knowledge about the film industry, and that you just under the misconception that Simon Kinberg was the director. But I guess I gave you too much credit. =/

@@agentofchaos7456 I actually work in the film industry as a PA so I know how it works quite well. You need to stop assuming. Now my comment specifically refers to Simon Kinberg who served as a writer (along with Zak Penn, NOT Matthew Vaughn, he did First Class which is great) for this film AND writer/director in DP. My issue is that he wrote the story twice and failed. Stop trying to make this be bigger than what it is but I get the feeling that's too much to ask with someone like you =/

@@primefamous Matthew Vaugh himself has stated several times that he co-wrote the script with Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn. He just didn't get credited on it as a writer; probably because he didn't want the credit. Vaughn was actually going to direct the movie, but the studio decided to rush the production right before filming began. That was one of the reasons why he dropped out as director, the studio didn't give him enough to make the movie he wanted to make. See? I'm clearly more informed on the subject than you are.

And definitely better than the Last Stand