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www.crosstraini... How to choose a hybrid rear knobby tyre if the super soft gummy tyres don't suit your riding. Gummy tyres! Ever used them? Should you use them? About 10 years ago everyone started talking about the incredibly soft rear knobby used by Graham Jarvis. The Goldentyre GT216X. Need hard enduro training? Work through our video lists. Many riders decided if Graham Jarvis was constantly winning hard enduros with this tyre then it must help them ride better too. Read about them in gummy tyre reviews. Of course then all the complaints started about this expensive gummy tyre only lasting one to three rides. Gummy tyres work best when you avoid wheelspin, so throttle jockeys complained a lot. And of course the soft rubber does wear out faster. Years ago I reviewed the incredibly soft GT216X. I avoided wheelspin. I only rode in technical terrain. And I still only got eight rides from the tyre. How to choose a hybrid knobby? I normally get about 50 rides with normal rear knobbies. Should you use a very soft gummy rear tyre? Probably not. These are ideal for riding over rocks, roots, rutted trails. It probably be no better than an normal knobby in everyday dirt riding. Hard enduro techniques are covered in our training vids. And it can be poor at speed due to all the flexing of knobs and the tyre carcass. And it can be terrible in mud. I remember being stranded at the bottom of a slippery clay climb while beginners got to the top. The super soft knobs kept flexing and not digging into the clay. Very embarrassing. There is good news though. There is a range of hybrid tyres that can last a long time and suit more dirt riders. Here are some examples. They are called hybrids because they use a combination of trials tyre features mixed with enduro features. First? Into enduro and dirt bikes? Check out our dirt bike videos. The rubber compound. Some manufacturers are using a semi-soft compounds to try and get more durability. Second? Extreme enduro training vids are our focus. The tyre carcass. Gummy tyres are usually lighter and have less ply so they wrap around the terrain, but they can tear easier and flex too much at speed. But hybrids often use a stiffer carcass with more ply to counter this. Third? The tread pattern. Some hybrids lean more toward a trials tyre pattern but with more ply and harder rubber. Others like the Motoz Arena use a motocross tread but with a soft flexible carcass. If you are enduro riding get into our enduro training vids. Our dirt riding tips are great for developing your hard enduro skills.
MOTOZ MOUNTAIN HYBRID: One of our top choices,the carcass is flexible, the knobs generous and the grip outstanding - has proven to be incredibly durable.
SHINKO 505 HYBRID CHEATER: Finds traction in the most extreme conditions-it’s almost like cheating! Strong in braking and loose soil conditions. Prefers dry, harder conditions.
SHINKO 525 HYBRID CHEATER: Shinko’s newest enduro/extreme, designed for soft/intermediate terrain.
SHINKO 216 MX SERIES ULTRA-SOFT REAR: Large lightweight and flexible carcass with an open tread design that clears out well in mud, strong grip in extreme terrain, DOT-approved.
DUNLOP GEOMAX AT81 EX: The AT81 enduro knobby but with ultra-grippy compounds added to the equation.
IRC VE33S GEKKOTA: A new gummy compound that doubles for riders looking for a little less knob flex than the standard Gekkota.
KENDA EQUILIBRIUM K787: The DOT-approved Equilibrium offers the best qualities of a trials tire and motocross tire all in one. It’s a super-sticky race compound for unbeatable grip in both wet and dry conditions.
KENDA IBEX K774: A very tall knob works well in looser terrain mixed with rocks with an appetite for gummy rock-crawling and hill-climbing.
MAXXIS MAXXCROSS EN: Tacky compound and a compliant carcass designed to grip the gnarly obstacles found on an EnduroCross track.
MITAS XT-454: Mid to soft terrain tire for Cross Country and Hard Enduro, excellent grip on wet roots and rocky terrain.
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@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

TRY LOWER AIR PRESSURE FIRST? Most guys in our group now use TUbliss. We usually run 2 to 4psi for our hard enduro rides and the traction is incredible - even with hard compount mx-style knobbies. Running the right air pressure can be as important as your tyre choice. Mousses? Remember using the right size for the tyre is important here as well. Short summary of gummy/hybrid knobbies that appears to be objective: MOTOZ MOUNTAIN HYBRID: One of our top choices,the carcass is flexible, the knobs generous and the grip outstanding - has proven to be incredibly durable. SHINKO 505 HYBRID CHEATER: Finds traction in the most extreme conditions-it’s almost like cheating! Strong in braking and loose soil conditions. Prefers dry, harder conditions. SHINKO 525 HYBRID CHEATER: Shinko’s newest enduro/extreme, designed for soft/intermediate terrain. SHINKO 216 MX SERIES ULTRA-SOFT REAR: Large lightweight and flexible carcass with an open tread design that clears out well in mud, strong grip in extreme terrain, DOT-approved. DUNLOP GEOMAX AT81 EX: The AT81 enduro knobby but with ultra-grippy compounds added to the equation. IRC VE33S GEKKOTA: A new gummy compound that doubles for riders looking for a little less knob flex than the standard Gekkota. KENDA EQUILIBRIUM K787: The DOT-approved Equilibrium offers the best qualities of a trials tire and motocross tire all in one. It’s a super-sticky race compound for unbeatable grip in both wet and dry conditions. KENDA IBEX K774: A very tall knob works well in looser terrain mixed with rocks with an appetite for gummy rock-crawling and hill-climbing. MAXXIS MAXXCROSS EN: Tacky compound and a compliant carcass designed to grip the gnarly obstacles found on an EnduroCross track. MITAS XT-454: Mid to soft terrain tire for Cross Country and Hard Enduro, excellent grip on wet roots and rocky terrain. Read more here: dirtbikemagazine.com/gummy-tire-buyers-guide/

@rehepeks 2 месяца назад

Any ideas about the dunlop en91ex? Gummy but 13mm knobs.

@houjous5131 2 месяца назад

What's your opinion on the motoz s/t & i/t? I just ordered a set of 1.85-21 / 2.5-18 rims for my fattiboy (890 adv) I don't do any highway and rarely do much street riding unless it's to get to the trails (I'm aware of the irony of buying a highway focused offroader& not using it as such.) I have terrain of every kind around me - sand pits, dirt hard & loose, pavement & wet variants of each. I'm thinking of running an S/T front I/t rear.

@noControl556 2 месяца назад

Love the Shinko 525 Cheater for geneal purpose trail riding. Soft enough for non-pro-level technical stuff, big spaced knobs to clear mud. Has stiff enough sidewalls, decent wear.

@EddyOtway 2 месяца назад

Had that for awhile and it got me stuck in a few instances, ie one greasy hill that wasn’t really a hill and other spots which I’d thought wasn’t hard but I don’t as left there spinning, now on the golden tyre gt333 mus hard and never looked back. Plus the 525 was hard to put on and take off

@LukeMorphett 2 месяца назад

I've honestly found the shinko 525 Cheater to be the best tyre I've ever run. In the past I've never even thought of what I wanted for a tyre. Didn't think it made much difference (generally speaking). But the shinko seemed to have the best of both worlds. With tubeliss its soft as, traction on everything including mud. Perhaps my riding control has improved, but I actually found it lasted longer than the mid compound tyres I was using before. That could be because I get up the hill in one go though....

@davehowe_just_an_old_dirtbiker 2 месяца назад

I have the IBEX on both my Betas and maybe I'm the exception but they last very well for me. I ride rocks, mud, roots, hard pack, but try to to spin too much. I've had the same tire on for 2 years. One guy told me he hated the IBEX since he and his son lost all the knobs in less than 2 hours. Then he said they road at 40 to 50 mph on some old rocky fire roads. Well no wonder they didn't last! It's very much application specific and personal preference. If something works for you, then use it. The same tire may be garbage for the guy that rides the same trail with you.

@rehepeks 2 месяца назад

I'm still on my Ibex. Some cracking around the knobs but nothing missing so far. 20h+ on this one. Slow speed, not much wheelspin. I think I might sell the bike before the tire is completely done.

@jmothers 2 месяца назад

I've been a Shinko guy for years. I recently started racing (hare scrambles) and felt I was loosing time from wheel spin and clogging. The tire is great and will still use for rocks and roots, but the 505 knob pattern is too tight for the amount of mud we see. Yes, I know the 525 is more open, but I decided to try the IRC JX8 gummy for the next race. I'll give an update after the race.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

I think we reviewed a 505 years ago. Yep, not good in mud! It was surprisingly good at most other things. Though it began to struggle on steep climbs once the knobs rounded off.

@jmothers 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro the 525 might do better in the mud. The IRC JX8 seems to be a good all arounder from all my research. I'll post my review soon

@vankatanemuedobre 2 месяца назад

For me as a hobby rider, Michelin TRACKER (on the rear, I am not a fan of the front Michelin Tracker tyre) is a good one.

@DmitriyAdv 2 месяца назад

It's worth mentioning that correct pressure (mousse, tubeliss...etc setup) is critical to gummy/hybrid gummy performance as they work by conforming and "sticking" to terrain instead of digging like a regular knobby. Even the best gummy with 15 psi will only be good at leaving burnout marks on every rock :D I find that tires are really location/terrain specific, so it's worth asking the locals who ride similar terrain. Here on the east coast 140 width tires have become popular and the current hot tire for hard enduro racing is the Dunlop EN91EX (or Michelin Enduro Xtrem for those who can find/afford it) - you will see that on the back of most of the front of the pack. A big difference with those is the side knobs that stick of the side of the tire, which provide increased traction/support on sidehills.They last 1-2 events however, especially if rocks are involved. These are all in the $150 range in the US. Kenda Knarly and IRC JX8/IX09 are also popular from the budget side, and you'll occasionally see someone on a Dunlop AT81EX (was much more popular last year before EN91EX became more available) or Mitas. I ran the AT81EX at TKO last year and it works okay, especially at higher speeds, but the EN91EX is on another level. I'm speaking specifically to organized hard enduro racing here (BOG, Kairos, RORR...etc), as what one considers "hard enduro" trail riding is very subjective. The IRC JX8 is my personal favorite all around trail ride / practice tire for medium-hard terrain. The knobs are pretty big, well spaced, and the sidewalls are relatively stiff. Even on a well used soft mousse, I've done some faster races on it in Michigan sand and was impressed how well it handled at speed. It's not directional, so I flip them and run them until the knobs look like little pyramids. This tire is typically in the $100 range, about 50% cheaper than the top dogs. For trail riding, a lot of people around here prefer the IRC VE33s because it will easily get 40-50 hours, has huge knobs made of rubber that's a good compromise of stick and support, and the carcass is very supportive. It is not a true gummy however and not however provide enough traction when things get really gnarly and amount of pushing/dragging increases by 2x. This tire is also usually in the $100 range. I've tried the Shinko 505, 525, and the Kenda Ibex in the past and I think that gummy technology has moved on from what is implemented in that generation of tires. The VE33s, for example, is superior to all of them in the terrain around here.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

Great point, I'll put that in the pinned first comment!

@Montana_Motorized 2 месяца назад

I’ve tried a lot of the gummy tires other than the FIM stuff. Prefer taller lugs for bite and lasting longer. I actually really like the Ibex. I’ve probably run about 6 of them. Usually can get around 35 hours out of them as long as you don’t spin a lot. They will tear knobs if you do. They are one of the cheaper options and I like the tall knob height. The AT81EX is my favorite. Amazing traction and 35 hours with no tearing. The IX-09 and JX8 are on par with EX for traction but don’t last as long and aren’t as good in loose stuff. I like the Arena Hybrid Gummy but the price is too high in IMO. Not as much traction but lasts. The VE33S is similar IMO but 50% cheaper. The 505 cheater is ok. Good traction in the rocks but braking isn’t great. I hate the 525 cheater. Carcass is too stiff and doesn’t have the traction of the others and it doesn’t last. My least favorite of all the ones I’ve tried. I also tried the Mitas XT454 double green is a good tire and similar to the VE33S.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

Good feedback.

@ShadowsFirst 2 месяца назад

The VE33S Gekkota has been my go to tire on the 300s since I discovered it. Do. Everything. And last long.

@Kickaha83 2 месяца назад

I've done a track here, it's a steep rock technical track which I'd normally avoid like the plague, 2020 Beta 300 with the Bridgestone E50 Extreme at 6psi running tubliss felt like cheating compared to doing the same track with a Metzler MC360 alos at 6psi with Tubliss (probably should have run it lower), I took the Bridgestone off at about 50 hours when I put the Metzler on to have something road legal, I've used the Arena Hybrid on my RMX250, best tyre I have ever run on that bike, hooked up great, slid predictably, swapped it onto my IT200 but haven't ridden it much since

@matthewkantola8638 2 месяца назад

green stripe Mitas 754 run at 7-8 psi with Kenda Tuff Tube lasts the whole season and hooks up everywhere

@tx5brent 2 месяца назад

This is not what I was expecting when I searched Gummy near me? While it's nice to have heaps of grip, I do think less grip can make you a better rider, but when you need the grip, you really need it

@middleageddirtscooter7883 2 месяца назад

I ride a 21 te300i and have been trying different tires looking for that 1 goto tire i can use in all terrains. So far the closest ive come is the Bridgestone e50 Extreme. It hooks up EVERYWHERE but corning on faster trails can be a lesson in drifting lol. Ive had 1 last 40 hours. Which for a "gummy" is quite a long time.

@goodley9817 2 месяца назад

The arena hybrid BFM gummy is absolutely the most amazing tire I’ve ever used for the south Oregon coast rain forest I’ve looped out a few times doing pivot turns 😂 it’ll climb hills!!!

@aaronmcelhinney1436 2 месяца назад

The Shinko 525 cheater was my favorite for traction and longevity. It still had great traction, even with rounded knobbies. I’m trying the new Tusk Talon from RM next, but I’m adding the Motoz Arena to the list

@rodjbosch 2 месяца назад

Ive been buying Metzeler mc360 mid soft rear tire,sipiing them....grooving if u wanna call it that to suit my taste. Ive had the siping /grooving tool for years. The mc360 modified is excellent for the SW Alberta single track i ride with my 350. Long lasting,cheap,excellent bite literally everywhere. Got 35hrs out of last one.....all technical singletrack in Mclean,Crowsnest Pass,Porkies of Alberta. Decided to take it off start of the new year. The Taco moto tc tune onmy 350 probably helps alot too😂 Even street legal.....which i dont care about

@motobandits5338 2 месяца назад

Another Shinko 525 rider, on 2nd one now, have been keen to try the IRCVE33S a I've used thr regular version before but unavailable in Australia to date.

@kuttinkuddy3905 2 месяца назад

I use a motoz arena in the back. And goldentyre fatty in front. Best combo for my terrain .. I've been thru many tires and the motoz compound last!

@vsekvsek 2 месяца назад

Tires are like shoes. What one person loves the other is like “meh”. Just gotta try different stuff and decide

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

100%.

@antonbierman1062 2 месяца назад

All I use. Dunlop gummy is affordable and excellent in all terrain

@gearhigher2027 2 месяца назад

MOTOZ Arena is worth every dime, 35+ hours riding Northeast USA enduro and still going...wheelspin is my middle name 🙃

@TimPaddy 2 месяца назад

AT81EX made up for a lot of missing skill, for me. Jump started me to being able to ride with much better riders. I ride an underpowered bike, so wheel spin is not a big issue. AT81EX = tractor-mode champion

@malky525 2 месяца назад

Amen for motoz arena hybrid. Have a new, 2+yr old shinko 525 cheetah waiting to be used one day... But its a very heavy tyre!

@BradenFontaine 2 месяца назад

Rode the Dunlop at81ex and it’s best traction I’ve had and I got 40 hours on my last one.

@johnculbreth4543 2 месяца назад

Dallas talking about tires! OMG ! Next thing Barry is going to tell us the best bike for us!

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

😂 I've been telling everyone the best bike for years though... Honda Goldwing with knobbies!

@painsrides3616 2 месяца назад

As an old, crabby, want to have money for retirement trail rider with friends on the weekends..... I'm not spending $120+us on a dirt bike tire, plain and simple... The Tusk Recon Hybrid will last 40+ hours, grip is very good in our mixed New England terrain and it costs $68us...

@dananderson5528 2 месяца назад

I'm currently trying a Motoz mountain hybrid extreme nice good grip on hard terrain they claimed good performance in muddy bog and soft hills but unfortunately the tyre just fills up with mud very quickly and then wheel spins to easy on soft hill climbs. Ended up lowering the air pressure twice during the last ride. Will keep it for summer riding. Back to the Motoz Tractionator

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

Same here, terrible in mud!

@2WheelDerness 2 месяца назад

Or just learn to reduce the wheelspin... I have Mitas gummiest (2green lines) for 2 years now, about 60 hours and I still ride them😅 had a little harder compound before, which I will buy next (one green line), but the wear on gummy one was not as bad as I thought will be.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

Amen to that. I generally haven't bothered with the softer compounds and just try to focus on less wheelspin and learning how to get more traction.

@winterfriction 2 месяца назад

Wonder how the old Goldentyre 216 would stack up against a modern gummy like the Michelins traction wise. It sure was soft but was it right kind of soft?

@kentooney5988 2 месяца назад

Which front tire do you recommend with the Arena Hybrid rear?

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

Depends on so many factors it's hard to say.

@kentooney5988 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro what did Motoz give you for Grizzbait?

@WASemiHardEnduro 2 месяца назад

Motoz is too expensive here in the states. I’d choose Plews or Mich Xtrem at that price range. I’ve tried so many of the gummies and hybrids - they all have their little quirks and things they do well and don’t do well. The Canadian reviewer: is the Arena the only gummy/hybrid he’s tried? I’d definitely recommend trying several more to get a feel for the differences.

@DmitriyAdv 2 месяца назад

Do you find Plews comparable to the Michelin Xtrem? Visually they look almost like a straight up copy. I've been curious to try them since the reseller (risk racing) is in a pretty semi local.

@bendiesel4446 2 месяца назад

Might try the motoz on my freeride e-xc when the stock one wears out. Have 10 hours on it now and it's trials tire. Wonder if the traction control will make it last even longer?

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

I don't think they have any traction control though? Unless it was 'broken' on the E-ride we rode. It was impossible to get up some loose rocky hills as it would just break into wheelspin no matter how careful we were with the throttle.

@ShadowVonChadwick 2 месяца назад

Good info , thanks 🖖

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

No problem 👍

@Dowent 2 месяца назад

How are Motoz, either mountain or arena, doing in the mud? I've tried a gummy rear from michelin and it really didn't suit me. It was so squirmy, that I've had very hard time feeling the back. It had poor traction in the mud and on my road transfers, it was hard to lean over and unstable. Incidentally, as long as I feathered the gas, it wouldn't get much eaten up, even on asphalt.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

The Motoz Mountain will fill up with mud too quickly due to the tread pattern. Arena Hybrid was great though... at least my experience.

@Dowent 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks, I will try that one out then :) .

@patrickbolin5613 2 месяца назад

A very informative video (as usual 👍😀). I have used both Mitas and Dunlop for many years, but recently fitted my bike with Michelin Enduro Xtreme rear tyre....it was expensive, but like he say "You get what you pay for"...unfortunately I will stick with Michelin from now on even if my wallet will tell me to ****! OFF! 😄. Greetings from a Swedish enduro muppet!

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

The Michelins are really expensive here in Australia too, Patrick. I really enjoyed it on my new Sherco 300SE and wanted to get another one but then saw the price. Ouch.

@Nikolas4g63 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro How much do they cost? looking at your reccomendations everything is upthere.. (despite the fact that almost no tyre in the list is avail localy here in cyprus, europe)

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

AUD240.

@k_plax 2 месяца назад

How could you do that to an EB in such good condition 🫣

@enduro-parts-aus 2 месяца назад

Shinko 216mx or 216sx Michy enduro none gummy version Mitas single green All last well decent grip on most terrain

@user-oe8gy8dk8f 2 месяца назад

Jarvis vs falcon. 👀

@wildoutaussie2228 2 месяца назад

Nooo not the EA falcon

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

😂

@tonn333 2 месяца назад

Your Canadian cousin is confusing truth with opinion. "My truth" when he actually means "my (current) understanding of the truth". Truth doesn't care about opinions.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

It's just debating semantics though, isn't it? In everyday language, truth is typically applied to things that aim to represent reality or otherwise correspond to it, such as beliefs, propositions, and declarative sentences. When it comes to 'truth' in a review it will always be based on opinions. Any 'truth' concerning a tyre will usually just be looking for a common theme among as many opinions as possible.

@tonn333 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro yes, but in this so called post-truth age we live in, this distinction is now more important than ever. There is no my or your truth... Only our truth.

@tonn333 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro for we are subjective beings living in a objective reality... Because if truth is relative (like my truth strongly suggests) then doing reviews at all is quite meaningless.

@crosstrainingenduro 2 месяца назад

It gets really interesting the deeper you dig! Personally I think postmodernism can lead to too much scepticism and overturning all the things like reason, knowledge and 'truth' that come from the Enlightenment. Of course there's a healthy degree of scepticism, but I figure it's way too easy to throw out the baby with the bath water in our alleged 'post truth' era. We have been condemned to live in interesting times (as the Chinese curse goes!). My personal angle is that reviews tend to only hold some value if you get multiple opinions and especially ferret out the negative ones. Statistically it makes sense. I admit I did feel a bit uncomfortable with Dallas mainly presenting his opinion but he says all his customers for that summer really liked the traction. Plus I did my usual googling around to find lots of opinions which seemed to correlate well.

@tonn333 2 месяца назад

@@crosstrainingenduro it really does. My original comment was just a semantic niggle. Not about the video, review or anything else.