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How To Choose Two Amps For Wet-Dry Guitar Rigs - That Pedal Show 

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@southpaw335
@southpaw335 4 года назад
Is it just me - but after so many years i need the “Dan here, Mick here Hello” intro... my OCD doesn’t feel like the show starts without it.
@Jamesppatterson
@Jamesppatterson 4 года назад
Kind of like "Hello, my name is Johnny Cash."
@adamandvanessawilson2654
@adamandvanessawilson2654 4 года назад
This video was another great example of what sets this channel apart from 99.9% of guitar channels. The fact that you guys spend time eloquently explaining what you are hearing/feeling in the room makes a world of difference for your audience. I would NEVER have considered using two 5W amps for anything serious. If you had just played it and moved on, I would have just assumed that your post-production made it sound good. But you honestly relayed your experience and suddenly everyone is ready to try it.
@acpiner2586
@acpiner2586 4 года назад
I've been watching TPS since before TPS was TPS on the GigRig page. I just wanted to say "Thank you" to Dan, Mick, Simon, New Guy, and everyone involved. You've helped me find meaning in playing guitar for the betterment of my happiness and mental health. Cheers to you all!
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Ah, that’s awesome AC, so great to have you onboard
@davedavem
@davedavem 4 года назад
44:30 FINALLY! the Two Rock with the Matchless!
@ulfdanielsen6009
@ulfdanielsen6009 4 года назад
Dream setup: Bone dry Peavey 3120 master amp into inner left/right side of two 4x12 cabs with C12T-75s in the bottom and V30s in the top, buffered send out into board ending in mid pushed dual eq into stereo delay and reverb going into two buffers going to either side of a tube / valve dual mono bloc sending to outer left / right side of same 4x12 cab with same speaker config. Add 9 string Schecter CS9 with Lundgren pickups into the mix and stir. Turn everything up to Patent Applied For and you´ve got Metal ´till You Drop! tone. Glorious. I found my sound. Thank you Dan and Mick. Have a great weekend everybody. :)
@philsaunter1956
@philsaunter1956 4 года назад
I just use headphones and wrap a damp towel around one side - voila, my wet/dry rig. :)
@pd4165
@pd4165 4 года назад
You silly. Bless you :P
@ulfdanielsen6009
@ulfdanielsen6009 4 года назад
I see what you did there...........
@ThemFuzzyMonsters
@ThemFuzzyMonsters 4 года назад
... you're doin' it wrong.
@goodknight37
@goodknight37 2 года назад
No no. That’s a wet dry wig
@JasonClute
@JasonClute 4 года назад
TPS is why I tried wet dry. The first time I heard both amps together was just heavenly and continues to be! The digital latency thing was super interesting. I wonder if DSP and ADDA conversion will ever be fast enough for this not to be an issue. It would have been interesting to see how the Mako did. I don’t know it’s specs but thought the speeds were pretty high
@stevesteve1965
@stevesteve1965 4 года назад
This is probably,for me, the most useful show you've done. You have covered all the questions and demonstrate all I have questioned about the 2 amp wet/dry setup .
@remowilliams564
@remowilliams564 4 года назад
Thank you so much guys! You just saved my rig! I've been running a wet dry rig for a long time using an AC15 and a Marshall Origin 50. Recently though, I haven't been able to get the sound right. It lost that "bigness". Anyway, your comments on analog dry through on your pedals made me think about my setup. I have a Digitech Trio+ pedal that only runs to the Marshall and it doesn't have analog dry through and it bet it's caused a delay. My phase switch does absolutely nothing to fix it. I'm going to take it out of the chain this afternoon and see how it sounds.
@jordanlaughlin4060
@jordanlaughlin4060 Месяц назад
How did it go? Do the Vox Ac15 and Origin 50 sound good together? I was thinking of picking up the 50 to either be used at 10 watts cranked like the Vox or at 50 watts as a cleaner wet amp.
@murfmurphy6212
@murfmurphy6212 4 года назад
Every time that HI-WATT comes out its special. Great episode guys
@johnfrewin7717
@johnfrewin7717 4 года назад
Of course you could just use whichever ones you have-I did after being inspired by Mick and Dan and it was really a game changer, even two small practice amps,( when I can I now use an Orange crush pro 60 solid state paired with a Fender blues deluxe reissue, not what you would think of pairing but it’s what I’ve got and it’s really a greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing) Thanks once again gentlemen for your continued source of inspiration and entertaining content 👍🎸
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I started with two channel splitters and three tiny amp-shaped-objects, and have been some places since then... Try splitting the end of the wet pedal train using something like a Boss CE-3 into a Boss PN-2, and yet another Humdinger and a third amp.
@johnfrewin7717
@johnfrewin7717 4 года назад
Thank you - I sense a kindred spirit 😎
@honestmusicreviews
@honestmusicreviews 3 года назад
Rewatching this through my studio speakers... this maybe the best sounds you've ever gotten. That half and half sound is immense!
@BlackTopAl
@BlackTopAl 4 года назад
I've been gigging a Class 5 and a Princeton for years - glad to see you guys catching up 🤣😉
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Too cool!
@mc5228
@mc5228 4 года назад
This is the third time I listened to this episode. I have 5 kids and so in the few spare minutes a week I get to play I love getting good sound and the wet dry wet has done that for me. What makes this episode one of the best is that the guys talk not about just the pedal but how to use the guitar with the pedals with the amps to augment sound and I learn so much about playing along with the sound. Thank you.
@stueycaster
@stueycaster 3 года назад
After watching you guys for a while now I have set up a Wet-Dry rig. I have an AC15 and Blues Jr. And it's really no bull. At bedroom volume I'm getting fat sounds that are absolutely blowing my mind. I love you guys for this.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 3 года назад
This is FANTASTIC to hear Stewart, thanks for letting us know. And congrats!
@petergeo9446
@petergeo9446 2 года назад
First time today playing a wet/dry with a 5 watt tube amp and a blackstar super fly. Can’t believe what difference this makes. Smiling all day. Thanks guys for the inspiration ❤️👍
@memygtar
@memygtar 4 года назад
Best episode yet!! So many questions I had that I didn’t know how to put across were answered here. This video will take me onto the next stage of experimenting with creating “my” sound. Would love to hear the two rock and Hiwatt in wet / dry with the strat. And Dans classic “sniff the tone” faces throughout were great especially at 32:40. It’s like “ tonal stench “ at its finest Cheers guys
@TheJaketone
@TheJaketone 4 года назад
ATTheDocHolliday that would be awesome. Unfortunately it seems Hiwatts have a slightly different phase alignment than any other amp. They just don’t ever quite align with Fender, Vox, Marshall circuits...it’s not like you can flip the phase of one amp and be good, it’s like the Hiwatt is 33% out of phase with everything. DR103 Hiwatt on it’s own is incredible but it just doesn’t really pair with anything.
@JasonClute
@JasonClute 4 года назад
Jacob Van Noy Thats interesting. I wonder what it is about the circuit that does that. It seemed to work fine with that 5 watt Marshall though
@TheJaketone
@TheJaketone 4 года назад
Jason Clute I’m thinking it was due to the massive difference in output in the two amps and the wet/dry scenario. In my experience Hiwatts have a different phase angle than any other amp and don’t pair well when trying to match at similar gig volumes.
@hitnorcal
@hitnorcal 4 года назад
I run a wet (Fender 5 watt) dry (Marshall 5 watt) wet (Vox 5 watt) set up. This video answered questions for me that I didn't know I even had. Always the best show.
@JazzRockswithAdam
@JazzRockswithAdam 4 года назад
I think today's episode is the best sounds/tones you lads have gotten to date!! 🙌
@-Breakyr
@-Breakyr 4 года назад
From your first wet dry wet show off episode, I went out and got two katanas to be wet sides to my orange rockerverb 50. Having a big sky and el capistan go out in stereo with the Orange in the middle.... Utter and complete inspiration. I've played more guitar in the past year than I have the last 20. Its incredible. Thank you.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Yaaaaaay!
@sesa1076
@sesa1076 4 года назад
Not sure if you've noticed my posts lately about how synchronistically your videos have been aligning to my current interests and questions, but I just spent last night going through your back catalogue on anything to do with two amp setups. At this point I feel like I look like I'm making it up, but it's uncanny. That's like 4 very specific topics now. Its great though, cause I waste more time looking for interesting content on RU-vid, and I'd rather watch you guys than most anyone else's doing guitar stuff so, by all means, keep it up.
@robertritchie2860
@robertritchie2860 4 года назад
My wet/dry is a 22w Fender DRRI for wet, and for dry it is a Marshall 20w 2061x. I like how the Marshall thickens things up and how the DRRI remains cleanish and transparent. Together they produce a combined wall of sound, I can play at low at home volumes as well as at gig levels. I also think it is important to play to the strengths of each amp.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Totally awesome. Two magic amps - we can hear it from here!
@demolarify
@demolarify 4 года назад
Matchless + Two Rock = a match made in tone heaven. Wow! And I have to say the Lightspeed is my favorite drive pedal. Not always on, but just about. One thing worth noting though with W/D or W/D/W is that running your wet signal(s) as wet only (no dry) gives a different dynamic too. I’m pretty sure that was covered in a previous episode and was intentionally left out of the definition of W/D in this episode to keep itge topic focused, but I like to run my wet side with no dry signal at all. It allows you to use your amps’ volumes to control the W/D mix more, it gives you some cool options of running wet only by turning off the dry signal for great pad-like ambient sounds, and it pretty much eliminates the phase issues since you’re not using the dry-through on the wet pedals.
@calleyhoov
@calleyhoov 4 года назад
It brings me joy that I asked for this episode in the comments of another video. Mick responded and said you'd do it and 2 weeks later you guys did it. Customer service at it's finest.
@davedavem
@davedavem 4 года назад
Omg the sound from the hiwatt with the Marshall made me make involuntary noises.
@pd4165
@pd4165 4 года назад
Heard you the first time, Dave.
@danpeabody5687
@danpeabody5687 4 года назад
I was watching this video and the minute you use the high watt amp the very first chord I had was a very emotional response absolutely gorgeous sounding truly very special sound
@baba52
@baba52 4 года назад
My easy solution for the higher headroom amp getting louder with gain pedals is to use a volume pedal between the wet effects and the amp. Not only can you adjust for volume jumps, but you can dial in the effects level to taste as needed. I do this at home with a Bassbreaker 007 (dry) and Deluxe Reverb for wet.
@justinoneil6971
@justinoneil6971 4 года назад
I use a compressor in front of the higher headroom amp. Yamaha G50II (wet) Monoprice MP15 (dry). Works a treat!
@petelawler2199
@petelawler2199 4 года назад
I had acquired at Hiwatt T20 and a Marshall DSL 40 before I knew this witchcraft was an option. When I saw the wet dry set up Mick and Dan were using last year on the show, everything changed. Inspirational stuff.
@bhcarpenter
@bhcarpenter 4 года назад
Wonderful episode! It’s heartening to see you enjoy playing even on budget to mid-level gear. Very inspiring. Also loved the summary at the end: “Use what you like, just watch out for these couple of things.” In a world where people seem to get the most influence from having the loudest opinions, that was refreshing.
@brunobertotti6126
@brunobertotti6126 4 года назад
Two Rock + Matchless = the best sound you guys ever had in the show, by far. SO GOOD.
@DRChevalier
@DRChevalier 4 года назад
Just fabulous episode. I learned a great deal and am less concerned about screwing up my attempts to try wet dry with different valve amps. Mick was this recorded after the pickup change in Blue? The sound of the guitar and that Two Rick is just bliss
@peterglasby
@peterglasby 4 года назад
YES!!! I love that you’ve put this vid up! I’ve been loving your show for a couple of years now, and because of you guys I now use two amps for gigging etc and it has revolutionised my sound! I’ve just had the go-ahead from the missus, to get a (decent) second amp to go alongside my Orange TH30, as I’ve been using a just-ok MOSFET amp as a second amp, but even with that it’s still so inspiring and moving to have 2 amps wet/dry or wet/wet. Thanks guys! Keep it up, AND I’LL SEE YOU AT THE CAVERN IN LIVERPOOL SOON!!! 🤟🏼
@williamsmothers8830
@williamsmothers8830 4 года назад
Wet Dry - it's a revelation. This dynamic is probably my biggest takeaway from TPS over the years. Thx!!!
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I tumbled into it by accident. I happened to have a bit of pro audio gear around from a previous experiment, including a couple Little Labs IBP phase tools. Knowing that they would break the ground loop inspired me to try running three amps together, the original Cerberus. One thing led to another, and I swear it isn't G.A.S., but it looks like there will be approximately 18-20 discrete channels on my rig, depending on if I can acquire a certain pair of very large drivers. Mick is so right, once you spread your tones, you can sound good at low volume. I plan to run it less than 90 dB mostly. ;)
@DavidMorisset
@DavidMorisset 4 года назад
A year ago they did an wet dry wet...your welcome. 😎
@williamsmothers8830
@williamsmothers8830 4 года назад
@@DavidMorisset yes I saw that episode and actually have run wet dry wet and really love the potential. I still don't have enough isolators and signal splitters to do it conveniently. In fact, until I can afford what I need, I am perfecting my wet dry setup.
@DavidMorisset
@DavidMorisset 4 года назад
William Smothers Run a radial splitter to a Blues Jr and the other end to my trem, delay, verb and line 6 m5 at the end then through a lehle little dual to an AC15 and Supro Saturn. Got the Lehle used and it has change everything. 😎with the ground lift and phase reversal.
@LoKi6922
@LoKi6922 4 года назад
Dan, that Tele through the AC15 with just a little bite is pure magic! I've never been able to bond with an AC15, but you really bring the best out of them!
@nicklearnstomove
@nicklearnstomove 4 года назад
i only get a wet/dry rig when i spill coffee on my solid state pratice amp
@batoli20
@batoli20 4 года назад
I picked up a vox ac15h1tv last month to pair wet/dry with my bassbreaker 15. I have never felt more connected & inspired with my rig. Thanks for introducing me to wet/dry guys
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
YES! So cool isn’t it!?
@JohnHorneGuitar
@JohnHorneGuitar 4 года назад
WOW! Did not realize the bit about latency on the digital amps. I have a Katana and don't really like it at all I also have a Fender ToneMaster Deluxe as well as some valve amps. This is good to know while experimenting with them.
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
Always think about those COSM kind of pedals and where they live in the chain, the only ones I have are delay/echo but there are all kinds of overdrives and such that could set you back a few feet. For recording, you could use a phase adjusting tool to compensate for a couple milliseconds. I used to have cabinets in front of cabinets and tried to lag the front cabinets with some Little Labs IBPs but I realized that only the neighbors could discern if there was any difference. 🐒
@jeffduncan9033
@jeffduncan9033 4 года назад
You guys won me over to wet dry a while ago. I’m using a port city pearl and a top hat king royale... I rarely ever just use one amp anymore 👍👍👍 love the show
@stevengarvey5782
@stevengarvey5782 4 года назад
I'm currently using a roland jc40 as my wet amp and either a Peavey Classic (w speaker & tube upgrades) or a Laney Cub12r (w speaker upgrade) for the dry, depending upon the room. I run boosts and gains into the dry amp only. Delays, reverbs and modulation into the Roland (no gain). But i will try the gain stages into both simultaneously later today. Love the Roland chorus... thanks.
@markandclairethomas2062
@markandclairethomas2062 4 года назад
Hiya mate . I’m a Lane Cub 12r user . Fantastic little amp . What speaker did you put in there ? . I know many of the groups suggest a Celestion vintage 30 . I ended up putting a Celestion A type in there along with 5751 pre amp tube for lower gain . The result was just amazing from the stock amp 😀👍
@jordmosselman3403
@jordmosselman3403 4 года назад
Hi Steven, sounds like a nice rig! Question, the jc is a twin input amp, have you ever tried to run it wet dry on its two inputs? Good luck!
@stevengarvey5782
@stevengarvey5782 4 года назад
@@markandclairethomas2062 Eminence RED COAT 70. Made that little gem of an amp into something truly special.
@stevengarvey5782
@stevengarvey5782 4 года назад
@@jordmosselman3403 yes. It is a sound, and in a pinch i would run it that way, but the wet/dry sound is something truly groovy. I sound large.
@stevengarvey5782
@stevengarvey5782 4 года назад
It is actually stereo when used that way. If i had stereo pedals perhaps i'd mess with it more (recent acquisition). But it was purchased to do one thing: to lay that luscious chorus on my wet side. My mxr 95 phaser sounds incredible through this amp too.
@EmilioConesa
@EmilioConesa 4 года назад
Very informative! I’m glad I paid attention to the analog digital latency mismatch. Saved me a big headache. The last two amps sounded absolutely gorgeous!!!
@pow3866
@pow3866 4 года назад
This episode should be top secret. If my wife finds out that I can use the amps I have to get great tone my schemes will fail. I need to prove that I need more gear. Could you re-release an episode for wives with a different outcome.
@realgoodmind
@realgoodmind 4 года назад
Pow is onto something here guys. We need wife versions of episodes like 5 minutes long of the boys saying this is outdated now you need to buy this Matchless DC30 and the Venuram etc...
@user-oy7gz5bf2h
@user-oy7gz5bf2h 4 года назад
Sooo... your life watches the episodes too? Yours is more patient/interested than mine!!
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I don't know if you can sell it, but it is a fact that a wet-wet-dry rig is at least about twice as cool-sounding as a mere two-amp thing. I am using Boss PN-2s to gratuitously double both my wet channels but its certain that you can get your sound with less.
@lanehillard1596
@lanehillard1596 4 года назад
Yea but they actually need to do this...
@andrewmorgan1640
@andrewmorgan1640 4 года назад
yes gents, you need a "why you need multiple $5000 boutique amps and a wall full of pedals" episode. Welcome to That Pedal Show, Dan here, Mick here, Wives here
@donbarr3868
@donbarr3868 4 года назад
You guys can never stop making videos, EVER!!! Such righteous noise!!!
@RobertMaxRees
@RobertMaxRees 4 года назад
Totally enjoyed the bit on wildly mismatched amps - I've been running wet/dry with a Twin Reverb Reissue and a Bassbreaker 15 for a while now. Might not be as extreme as your example, but somewhat comparable. I was partially inspired by the SRV thing of having a dirty amp and clean amp running at the same time, though I'm running the Twin clean and the BB dirty whereas he was abusing Blackfacess for their dirty sound and using Marshalls for their cleans (I know, the BB is closer to a Vox, but you get the idea). Sorry for the tangent! My bandmates looked at me like I was crazy the first time I turned up at a gig with two amps in tow, but I'm actually running about the same stage volume levels as our rhythm guitarist, and he's usually running a cranked 15 watt VHT on half power mode, if memory serves. And after a couple gigs, our sound guy actually noted that he appreciated having the different sounds so he could better dial things in for the PA mix. Plus, there's something super rock and roll about having 2 amps behind me on stage. Great stuff as always, gents.
@DelScully
@DelScully 2 года назад
my main issue is I got a bunch of stereo pedals.. And my main amp right now is an Orange OR15.. I've found the fx loop to be not very good, its loud, and some effects don't work in it like swell, and for some reason tremolo get a big volume drop on one of my modulation pedals. I wonder if there's a way to fix this, or should I just run my DRRI clean with all the pedals mono, then the or15 for overdrive with just a basic reverb in the loop..
@mattelder9147
@mattelder9147 4 года назад
Got a hold of a Fender '57 Custom Tweed Twin Amp RI this weekend. Swapped it in for the Supro Thunderbolt as my dry amp and it made a huge, HUGE, difference in the sound. Wet amp Magnatone Panoramic Stereo on both setups. Very pleasing for both setups, but the Tweed Twin is a very "Tweedy" circuit and works in a much different way as it is already crunching compared to the relative high headroom Supro. The 2x12 speakers and the 1x15 also made a big difference in perceived volume. Fun to explore a different setup.
@eranmontiel
@eranmontiel 4 года назад
Dan looks like when you were in jr high and you wore an "inappropriate outfit" so they grabbed a t shirt that was 3x too big and made you wear it there rest of the day 🤣
@Jaspertine
@Jaspertine 4 года назад
My friend Ryan got to wear his "I'm Going Nucking Futs" shirt exactly once, at which point there was an emergency assembly, and the principal went over the dress code in severe detail.
@Cadoogan
@Cadoogan 4 года назад
Problems that only exist in the US...
@kyle_brenn
@kyle_brenn 4 года назад
I have 4 amps that I love mixing and matching in WDW / WD / Stereo -- Blues Jr, Class 5, AC15, & Supro 1622RT. Some sweet combinations there.
@stevengarvey5782
@stevengarvey5782 4 года назад
7 am in the States. What is wrong with me? Rock on.
@christodav
@christodav 4 года назад
11:09PM in Australia and I am working in the morning and should go off to bed instead of watching this.
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I am on the west coast, and this is the only time I get to myself, enjoy the morning!
@davemabee5798
@davemabee5798 4 года назад
6:30 am in the desert. Coffee time then off to work...maybe.
@eranmontiel
@eranmontiel 4 года назад
Absolutely nothing. 😎
@pd4165
@pd4165 4 года назад
Taste/addiction knows no time zone.
@voodoodr
@voodoodr 4 года назад
GREAT SHOW GUYS!!!!!!!! I liked how the GLADIO pedal made it on for a second go. I think I have questions. Going to watch the show again. Thanks again. Go have a pint.
@batoli20
@batoli20 4 года назад
Blimey, Blue is sounding majestic ....
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Thank you!
@urbanwikstrom9246
@urbanwikstrom9246 4 года назад
Hi guys! I`ve got two Yamaha TRS10. One original and one Classic. They are sweet for wet/dry in an appartment. It`s like a wall of sound at low level. Very inspiering! Thanks and cheers!
@edparker3549
@edparker3549 4 года назад
Wow, I've gotta try wet dry. That just sounds awesome!
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Please do!
@wheelsdetroit8608
@wheelsdetroit8608 4 года назад
Great episode! I call my rig a Wet - Damp setup as follows. Guitar into a DLS Effects Versa Vibe then into a Lehle Dual that splits the signal. One side goes to a BK Butler Tube Driver then to the Wet Amp, A Mesa Boogie Mk V Combo with a Mesa 2x12 Horizontal Recto Cab. Effects in the loop of the Mk V include a Digitech Hardwire Phaser, Boss Dimension C Chorus, Analogman ARDX20 Delay, GFI Systems Specular Tempus, Walrus Slo, then return in the loop. The dry side out of the Lehle goes to a Wren & Cuff Caprid, then to a Duelist Dual Overdrive, then to the front of the Dry amp, a Victory V40 Deluxe Head that feeds a Mesa 2x12 Road King cab and a Mesa Thiel 1x12 Cab. The Damp part comes from the vibe going into both amps and the two dirt pedals into the front of the Victory V40D. The dirt for the wet side is provided by the Mesa dirt channels, with the exception of the the Tube Driver. For Gilmour sounds I use both the Tube Driver into the Mesa and the Caprid into the Victory. All this sounds absolutely HUGE. It's complicated but in the end it is the sound I have strived for for 40 years.
@listentojt
@listentojt 4 года назад
I often use a solid state rotary speaker (Yamaha RA-50) as my wet amp, along with my Dr Z Therapy or Silverface Princeton Non- Reverb. It's epic sounding with the rotary and delay.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
That is waaaaaay cool. :0)
@PTintheBC
@PTintheBC 4 года назад
Thank you so much Dan and Mick. It must have taken a long time to change so many amps in and out. The results were spectacular. So many wonderful sounds and so much practical information about what will and won’t work.
@Buzzel-NL
@Buzzel-NL 4 года назад
I use a wet/dry rig at home, using a fender bassbreaker and a vox tony bruno 18, definitly not overkill for practice :)
@Buzzel-NL
@Buzzel-NL 4 года назад
@Logan 5 is also got a (b)assman :p
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 4 года назад
Do you hear Reverb on the Dry side? Are they using amp reverb, or what? About 12:40 is where I first heard it.
@spacepodi
@spacepodi 2 года назад
It was useful and very enjoyable to revisit this one prior to buying a small amp head to complete my set up at home. To my ears - albeit coming through RU-vid via wifi to my iPad and then Bluetooth to my mini Fossi hi fi amp into stereo mission 100w speakers, the two tube amps together had a slight edge compared to the one being transistor, regardless of wattage. A lot of fun to watch the experiment unfold.
@Erdbeerschnitzel
@Erdbeerschnitzel 4 года назад
Would be awesome to see the lovely little AC10 reviewed by you guys😉
@cuckmasterflex9106
@cuckmasterflex9106 Год назад
AC10's are much more inferior to AC15's, most notibaly the sound and reliability.
@brokenfingers6839
@brokenfingers6839 4 года назад
I was thinking about doing this yesterday but really never how 2 different wattage amps would work. I learnt a lot and thank you for doing this! Cheers from Canada!
@MarkPritchardGuitar
@MarkPritchardGuitar 4 года назад
Love the new intro format, very professional!
@johnfrewin7717
@johnfrewin7717 4 года назад
Mark Pritchard but you’ve gotta miss the “ ..is it on..er ...are we coming through...er..hello “ that we’ve got used to😀
@evanmiller2579
@evanmiller2579 4 года назад
Great tones. Nice of you to run through a number of more unusual amp pairings. Clearly the play out portion at the end was the ultimate. Dan’s face was hilarious. I would love to show up at every gig with a set up like that. I get so used to it at home that I am never quite satisfied with my tone when I have to play through just one measly Divided by 13 or a Morgan by themselves. Ugh the humanity! Cheers guys. Thanks as always.
@SilasRNold
@SilasRNold 4 года назад
Is it me, or does Dan have a Steely Dan-ish tone at 6:35? As ever gentlemen, great episode.
@bretonleo8740
@bretonleo8740 4 года назад
What a great show ! It also feels great to see one of my concerns (comments) about matching analog and digital sources explained, Thanks a lot, Leo
@PedalsFriends
@PedalsFriends 4 года назад
I want a red dry rig 😄 Greets and nice weekend... a big fan 👍
@jasperhouten8688
@jasperhouten8688 4 года назад
Pedals & Friends good one
@peterstrickland8679
@peterstrickland8679 4 года назад
Awesome! You guys inspired me to put together a two amp rig that I use for rehearsals, home practices, and gigs. After watching this episode I feel doubly justified in lugging two amps everywhere! One question you don't touch on is EQ. I image the answer will be much like everything else "play what sounds good to you," but I was wondering whether you guys regularly EQ your two amps noticeably differently. I tend to mid-scoop the wet amp and mid-push the dry, but this episode makes me think I should not assume that is the "correct" way to do it. Thanks for all the inspiration!
@ionobelisk
@ionobelisk 4 года назад
So, I thought at the beginning, I guess analogue dry through wouldn't matter in wet,/dry. You put that one away 😁 And, stop it, you've now got me wanting a Marshall Class5
@dekleinebozewolf
@dekleinebozewolf 4 года назад
Hat's off to both of you (and the rest of the crew). The sounds you guys are producing lately are just of the charts. I really like the experimenting and trying new things. Every week it's a new treat to my ears! 🙂
@zootallures1
@zootallures1 4 года назад
Hello Gents, I run my wet/dry rig through a 20-watt Marshall valve head and an AC-15 head. Each amp is connected to their own 2x12 cabinet with all 4 speakers being the same (and it sounds glorious!). My question is what are your thoughts on mixing different speakers in the cabs? If you think this is a good idea, what configurations would you recommend - 4 different speakers? 2 and 2? etc.?
@stuartmurphy8057
@stuartmurphy8057 3 года назад
Late response but You might try out a greenback and an alnico blue. I play my ac15 combo with the stock greenback paralleled with a mojotone British vintage 25w 8 ohm. I find them complimentary with a fuller and more rounded tone. Great for clean or dirty. I imagine the same combination would work well with the Marshall.
@zootallures1
@zootallures1 3 года назад
@@stuartmurphy8057 Hi Stuart, thanks for the reply. Actually, since my original post, I stocked one 2x12 cab with Greenbacks (for the Marshall) and the other cab with Creambacks (for the AC-15). The idea of mixing speakers in a rig really is a winner to me and glad I decided to do so. Again, thanks for your response. This really is a great community…..👍.
@echoes4660
@echoes4660 4 года назад
I want to share with you how I get a wet/dry setup on only one amp. When I saw your first video of dry wet I thought "how cool is that sound?", so I started thinking how can I get that sound with only my jcm 900. Today I managed to do it. I use my pedalboard in front of the amp, and thats my dry sound. Then I use the record compressed output behind the amp and I run it through my pc (ableton) and I select the sound wich I want on my wet signal (ex. Flanger). So I sent it to the mixer toghether with the mic of the marshall. I think this was a very cool way because I can use every effect i want. Cheers, ale
@RodClark
@RodClark 4 года назад
"Just for the helluvit" I plugged a cable from the second input on my 57 Champ into my Marshall combo. Blimey have we opened a can of worms today my fine feathered friends. I've got reverbs running in the effects loop of the Marshall and the Champ is dry. I blame you ...
@Cuardaitheoirfirinne
@Cuardaitheoirfirinne 4 года назад
I've been asking these questions since the topic of wet/dry was first discussed. Loved this episode. The Hiwatt/Class 5 was my question answered in awesomeness.
@Erdbeerschnitzel
@Erdbeerschnitzel 4 года назад
God bless That Pedal Show🤘🏼
@davidjameschamberlain
@davidjameschamberlain 4 года назад
I was running wet dry with my HX Stomp into two practice amps at home. The stomp modeled an AC30 normal channel for the dry and a JC120 wity CE1 style chorus and Space Echo for the wet.
@gcvrsa
@gcvrsa 4 года назад
"Fine for you guys playing at 100 dB, but what about low volume?" (Switches to two 5 W amps.) (Plays at 101 dBSPL) 😂
@heybuddy6794
@heybuddy6794 4 года назад
lol, for REAL
@patrickbear6727
@patrickbear6727 4 года назад
This may be helpful--I have a 15 watt orange dark terror head (15W) running to a 2x12 cab and a Jet City JCA2212c (1x12 15W) in a tiny bedroom running stereo not wet/dry (which i personally think is pointless.) I love to crank them and together they can reach painful levels but that's just not realistic. I am using a Line6 HX stomp in 4 cable method (which in stereo is actually 7 cable method) and that allows me to use is Volume control to attenuate the signal from both preamps to the power amp. You don't need an HX stomp or 7 cable method to do this. If your amps have effects loops you can insert any effect with a volume control or any line level volume control (i.e. a studio monitor volume control or line level mixer) between Send and Return and you can, without an expensive load box on the speaker out, fully control the volume output of your rig. Yes it does take the character of a cranked power amp and punished speaker cab out of the equation but, to me, it sounds much better than trying to run an amp at the lowest output it's own controls allow. Works for a single amp too if you aren't interested in stereo or wet/dry.
@CloudiVist
@CloudiVist 4 года назад
@@patrickbear6727 About this ... thank you.
@Ottophil
@Ottophil 4 года назад
patrick bear wet dry isnt pointless
@calmthemonster
@calmthemonster 4 года назад
Guitar University... best way to start my Fridays... 6:30am, cup of coffee... you're a ray of sunshine on a normally grey day out here in British Columbia, Canada.
@adrianjewell5995
@adrianjewell5995 4 года назад
I do this with a Fender Pro Junior & Bassbreaker 007 at home, at very low vil
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 4 года назад
I do it at home as well. I swap out my Blues Jnr for a Champ600 and run my Laney Cub at
@charlesbolton8471
@charlesbolton8471 4 года назад
Matt Gilbert The Pro Jr. is one of the best amps Fender has ever made in my opinion. I owned an original tweed Pro Jr. from the first year of production. I had owned for about 20 years when someone stole it in 2014. It was absolutely mint condition I had never even picked it up by it’s leather handle. I really miss that amp. I also own a Blues Jr. which I had bought a few years before the Pro Jr. was stolen, but I don’t like it anywhere near as much. One a good note I replaced the Pro Jr. with a 1960 Fender Champ and I live it.
@alperademi7538
@alperademi7538 4 года назад
I'm always in the market for another amp, and I love wet/dry (because of you guys, you introduced me to it)... So this is worth a second watch IN THE SAME DAY :)
@johnfritzenjr.1240
@johnfritzenjr.1240 4 года назад
Gladio is AMAZING
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I am not budgeted for any drives right now, but I am always interested in a stabby tone. 😎
@kaschbowman
@kaschbowman 3 года назад
Looking to build a 5f1 kit and pair w/ an AC10 for wet dry. This answers a ton of questions! Thanks Dan and Mick!
@grantdyble3472
@grantdyble3472 4 года назад
One of my take aways from this was that the 5 Watt amps easily had the volume just not the headroom. Can you gig with a 5 watt amp even without a milking it up? Demonstrably yes.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
... as long as you don’t need the headroom. But of course yes!
@paulcowart3174
@paulcowart3174 4 года назад
Also if you can run a 4/12 w the 5 watter it makes a HUGE difference
@paulcowart3174
@paulcowart3174 4 года назад
Slave the Class 5 into the HiWatt 😍
@MrBallynally2
@MrBallynally2 3 года назад
I find certain single ended valve amps have better headroom than others. I ended up w a VHT Special 6 w a bypassed tone stack. Tone stacks usually eat a lot of signal in single ended amps. So bypass and put in a high cut filter. Best single ended common valve is a 6L6. Transformers matter 2. The VHT has a bigger than usual one probably not a standard one like a Champ's. More balls. I am not a big fan of the Marshall 5w and think one could do better f the money..
@CapitanJax
@CapitanJax 4 года назад
Very cool episode! For a time I would split my signal with a clean bass amp and dirty guitar amp. I would use an octave down pedal for more low end as a duo. I would put a compressor to the clean bass amp so there was less of the peak and more sustain on the clean side.
@guitarelaxed
@guitarelaxed 4 года назад
I always wondered what Pat Metheny was thinking, when he wrote the song "Phase dance". Now I know!
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
Surphase Tension, by Jorma Kaukonen, comes to mind. 🎸 My friend Dave saw him up dancing on two wah-wahs, but that wasn't part of the set when I met him.
@danielbertola7868
@danielbertola7868 2 года назад
Orange Rocker 32. Two separate all tube 15w power sections in a 2x10 able to run in stereo or wet dry in one cabinet. A great "clean" channel and awesome vintage Orange tone on the Dirty channel. Highly recommended.
@tedc6694
@tedc6694 Год назад
I recently acquired a 32. I haven't learned its strengths over a hotrod deluxe or DT50 212 yet. Maybe I need to try it as this W/D platform
@danielbertola7868
@danielbertola7868 Год назад
@Ted C I would say always match the gain with a bit of volume, otherwise it gets kinda raspy. I find the sweet spot to be around 1 to 2 oclock on both channels. Such a great amp. It loves boosts and "transparent" drives, ala OCD or Timmy. Wet-dry is great, just remember to set your effects to 100% wet and go into the right return jack. I got confused the first time I tried it. Also a vibe pedal will return the best chorus effect this way because one side is dry, just like a JC120. Amazing stuff. Enjoy.
@RobFlaxMusic
@RobFlaxMusic 4 года назад
I'm genuinely irritated hearing the A/B of the Katana and Two-Rock... I can't unhear that. It's chalk and cheese, and now my soul knows it too.
@slmcmorris7902
@slmcmorris7902 4 года назад
The low volume/wattage part was a huge eye opener. I live in an apartment, and I hate that I can't get certain tones at home. Buying a second amp (that little Marshall would be perfect) would complement my 10 watt transistor Fender, and solve some problems. It was also great to see that two tiny amps can play at rehearsal volume. Thanks again, guys!
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
I have played my little fifteen watt Fender practice amp with a lesser amp-shaped-object and gotten decent sound at verry low volume. Put any drives into the Fender because shite amps have absolutely no headroom. If you lived through the eighties you might split it using a CE-3. 😎
@slmcmorris7902
@slmcmorris7902 4 года назад
@@hoboroadie Ha! Yes, I did survive the 80s! And yes, dirt through the little Fender sounds like garbage. It will definitely be my wet amp, and I will get a tube ASO (amp shaped object) for the gain sounds. I already have an ABY box for it.
@loganpayne6086
@loganpayne6086 4 года назад
Let me tell ya, when your 2 amps are out of phase and you're running in ears and they're panned, the inside of your head explodes
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Eeeee nasty.
@hoboroadie
@hoboroadie 4 года назад
There's something special about a panning tremolo, sort of unbearable if not restrained, but that's what has drawn me to that precipice on my latest venture, running a couple Boss PN-2s into three PH-1s. I am putting all four channels into a single open-backed cabinet to try and reduce clipping of the brain waves, but this may be a dead-end. Phase fighting is an ugly, broken-bottle sort of thing.
@heybuddy6794
@heybuddy6794 4 года назад
WAIT WAIT.. wait, what happens if you play a sound panned hard one side in headphones, and you play it out of phase panned hard other side? does your brain phase cancel it???
@ColinDymond
@ColinDymond 4 года назад
I use a Blackstar Artisan 15, switched to 5 watts for the dry and a Cornell Romany Plus for the wet. That's plenty for all the pub gigs I play with a soul band.It's a great sound, thanks for the inspiration.
@mckorczas7483
@mckorczas7483 4 года назад
So now, tell my wife why I need second amp! Great show guys!
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
Ask her why she needs a second pair of shoes. And a tenth pair.
@ginoames
@ginoames 4 года назад
You two have the most powerful finger snaps in the world. I snap mine all the time yet my amps don't move. Lol, you guys rock. Great episode.
@johnfritzenjr.1240
@johnfritzenjr.1240 4 года назад
The yellow Tele sounds better than the red Tele to my ears!
@davidrohland9319
@davidrohland9319 4 года назад
Great and timely episode, as I begin to work with my first wet / dry configuration - thank you!
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter 4 года назад
Missing topic: effects that flip the phase and what to do about them.
@ThatPedalShow
@ThatPedalShow 4 года назад
I like this - Dan here
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter
@GiovanniBottaMuteWinter 4 года назад
That Pedal Show you guys didn’t address it in the VCQ, are you going to discuss it in the future? BTW I have decided to buy a second amp just to try this setup...
@Guitar_Ted
@Guitar_Ted 4 года назад
Thanks guys. If there was ever a reason to be listening to your show on headphones, this show was the prototype for the suggestion. Man! That out of phase stuff is so easy to hear on headphones. Every set up sounded great but I have to say that the messing around to get the Katana to work we-dry makes it not worth the bother to me. Besides, the Katana sounds so sterile. Thanks again guys!
@gpower
@gpower 4 года назад
Been toying with a Traynor YGL-1 and a Fender SS 22 for a couple years. Some absolutely beautiful tones!
@RGGifford
@RGGifford 2 года назад
I've been running two 5 Watt Tube amps Wet/Dry recently due to this video (well one is technically a 20 watt head switched down to 5 watts). They actually sound so much bigger, cleaner, and clearer than when I was running 20-50 Watts. They sound great at lower volume and can get pretty loud too.
@jamescaseymusic
@jamescaseymusic 4 года назад
We've talked about the vintage Strat and Blue a lot recently. But Yellow today. Sublime.
@lukejohnson4688
@lukejohnson4688 4 года назад
Just starting to use a Tone King Gremlin 5 watt and a Lonestar 100 watt in a wet/dry configuration.. I honestly thought it wouldn't work, but after hearing the Hiwatt and Marshall together I thought I'd give it a go and oh my giddy aunt! Glorious! Thanks for all you do!
@ericsfc1ea.16
@ericsfc1ea.16 4 года назад
Glorius Maximus !! May be the finest video I've heard recently. Thanks for all the time on this one fellas.
@stephenpilant7566
@stephenpilant7566 4 года назад
Blue sounds amazing today! Thank you for using a HR deluxe. I have a GB and it’s nice to hear with the V40. Thanks guys.
@johnsmith-sm6mh
@johnsmith-sm6mh 4 года назад
OMG that opening line from you Mick was so reminiscent of your old Job as Guitarist Magazine dvd 📀 editor 😂 in a good way 😁 Great informative show both 👍🎸🎸👊
@joshguthriemusic8090
@joshguthriemusic8090 4 года назад
Ohw!! SUCH a great episode. Made my brain melt and bubble in my skull in the best most wonderful way! I learned SO much today. Thank you thank you thank you!!! AWESOME. You guys are the best! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
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