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How-to clean your primary and secondary snowmobile clutches

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Cleaning your clutches helps keep your machine out of the shop. Here Rick shows us what he does to clean the clutches on an Arctic Cat Mountain Cat and explains why cleaning is vital to optimal performance.
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@regperatrovich9406 4 месяца назад

Take care of your equipment…it’ll take care of you. It’s nice to see someone putting in the work to learn how to work on their own equipment.

@thadschaeffer2563 3 года назад

Don't forget to mark your primary clutch cover to the tower with a Sharpie. That way it goes together the same way because they are balanced from the factory.

@Just-InTimeRepairs 2 года назад

I would actually etch or stamp it, because the sharpie will come right off from the Brakleen and handling.

@BoysInTheWoodsofPA 3 года назад

First you disassemble all your clutches, then you send the wife to town for beer. Once she leaves, you put everything in the dishwasher and give it a wash. Once it is done, simply empty and blow everything off with air. Then load dishwasher with dirty dishes, when wife gets home with beer explain that you loaded the dishwasher but couldn't figure out how much soap to use. Go have a cold one while she starts the dishwasher.

@36ELGALAN 2 года назад

Brilliant 👏

@cannedham3774 4 года назад

was about to talk shit about your video but then i realized my clutch took a shit last year because i never clean it. good video man.

@peytonthomas4506 4 года назад

love the kid just chilling in the back so funny

@mdood9299 Год назад

I really appreciate your channel and the no nonsense approach to your tutorials.

@darcy32171 3 года назад

I like the idea of letting the springs relax.

@andrewgibson1991 3 года назад

My new favorite sledding channel

@kajakas7779 5 месяцев назад

super chill tutorial, much appreciated! 😎

@hunterdupont558 Год назад

Big thanks to you and the camera man

@darrellfolk5284 3 года назад

Another Awesome Video That Reminds me! I better get Cleaning!! Dang It!! So I thought I broke a Drive chain riding hard last weekend. But it looks like it's just a Bearing on the Top Gear Shaft. If I can get the Gear off... its clicking.. guess I'll have to pull the Secondary off other side.

@danielhosking7257 3 года назад

Great video man. Straight forward and even had bbq involved. Only complaint is that i wasnt there

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Awesome, thanks for watching Daniel! If you like that vid we have plenty more on the Digit9 channel. Snoop around! 🤙

@jesusaceron3979 4 года назад

Great Video man! I will do that with my Sportsman's clutches! Regards from Rosarito; Mexico!

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Gracias!

@cdnbcn6164 4 года назад

Great explanation.. thanks !

@biblethumpr2161 2 года назад

Very helpful.

@Cheddarpan8284 4 года назад

Thank you for the video. Definitely helps me out

@paulpeck6973 2 года назад

omg thank you for this i bought a old cat for me years ago and it has never ran right nothing but bog runs min in the air but nothing on ground looks like im rebuilding clutches and will keep in mind for new sled .

@packofjimmys5564 2 года назад

I’m in the same boat bought a 92 Prowler 440 and it starts and runs great but half way into a race it Boggs

@marks4736 3 года назад

Great video

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Thanks for watching Mark and I appreciate you taking the time to leave a positive comment. Snoop around our channel for a hot minute and you'll find all kinds of treasures. Make sure to subscribe and hit that little bell notification too! We publish maybe 2-3 new vids a month. Welcome aboard man!

@1cont 3 года назад

excellent use of the word schmegma

@anythingadrenaline4515 4 года назад

Great video. This will help me with my F7 sno pro

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

That's awesome. Glad we could help. Let us know if there's anything else we can make of video about and we'll get on it. Thanks for watching!

@anythingadrenaline4515 4 года назад

@@DIGIT9 well I'd literally PayPal you for doing a demonstration on how to pull primary and secondary or 2005 arctic cat firecat f7 efi diamond drive. More so how to repair or what to look for in these clutches. I ask because, my F7 won't go past 66mph. Everyone is saying it's my secondary. The closest snowmobile mechanic is 6hrs from me 😒 sucks. Or if you have an email, cell, or if I get the clutches off. Could I send them to you for servicing? As you can probably tell. I NEED HELP 😉

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Anything Adrenaline ok we’ll see if we can find one and let you know. Stay tuned!

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

You could upload a video clip of the clutches on your cat and we'll make a video tomorrow explaining the process of how to pull them.

@RickStuff 2 года назад

Hello. Thanks for the video. 👍 Any chance you can tell where I can find a replacement for the needle braring on the cluch shaft please?.

@creamycatcake2133 4 года назад

Nice vid! I hate to admit I never touch my clutches ever. Never had a failure. 03 f7 6500 miles, 08 f1000 8500 miles, 12 1100 turbo 10000 miles, I’ve never even blew em out!!

@ilikewaffles9744 3 года назад

I know you said this a year ago but did you ever have performance issues? I got 5500ish miles on my sled and I've got huge performance issues did jetting track and chain case and I know the clutch is wore out because I can see with my own eyes between the spider and the button, but I don't know if the secondary is bad, but thats a lot of miles with no clutching.

@jjwalker2011 Год назад

That's impressive! Dang

@bobfleming1495 3 года назад

I just bought a 2008 F1000 snopro, dont have a maintenance manual, I'm wondering if there's a video out there on changing chain oil and checking chain.

@darrellmarthaller9377 3 года назад

A pipe wrench in your hitch receiver works for a vise

@johnstjean1422 4 года назад

A air Compressor goes well as well

@rongravel4585 4 года назад

Man that must suck to make adjustments out on the ice. I’ll stick to my old 3 post cat secondary’s. I could swap springs in like ten mins and be back makin passes. That must take a bit longer.

@felixisiah9054 4 года назад

Great camera work. lol

@jordanstorey8267 3 года назад

DIGIT9 It’s my first winter riding the big boy sleds My clutch seems to be working properly , it engages and shifts all that but makes a slight clunking sound The sound happens at slow speed , when I engage the throttle , sometimes it doesn’t make any sound and sometimes it does a light “clunk” then engages . Same thing if I’m going fast and slow down, then stay off the throttle then when I re-engage the throttle it clunks , It’s a 2009 Polaris dragon with 1500miles

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

that's just your secondary helix making that noise from forward to reverse ! its normal

@jacobbrown2768 4 года назад

So when I hit the throttle the belt won’t spin

@0475Mike 3 года назад

Schmagma? Wow haven't heard that for 40 years. Haha.

@northerntoyota7584 3 года назад

That bearing in the primary is great until it seized on me. Same thing happened to my team clutches in my wildcat. Too cold to change now without heated garage. Just run belt a little loose and no extended idle times.

@ricochetey 2 года назад

I just throw my bibs and coat on and light up my little propane heater,,, does it heat the garage? No, keeps me warm though. If your busy working you don't get cold. I'm tired of everyone complaining about the cold best way I can put it is get busy living or get busy dieing, welcome to the North. Heck I usually keep a pop in the snow to stay cool and enjoy!

@danielvrieze532 3 года назад

Any idea of cleaners I can buy by the gallon? Something cheaper and a little less stanky. I have several clutches I clean every year.

@Metcalferacing_29 9 месяцев назад

Can you do a video on adding shims to a P85 Polaris primary clutch or point me in the direction when i can see one.Please

@DIGIT9 9 месяцев назад

Not sure where to find that but thats a great idea ! I’ll put it on the list of vids to do !

@marc-oliviertanguay9479 2 года назад

Can you do a video on how to change the roller in the team clutch if it’s possible ?

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

You talkin the roller bearing in the primary ?

@patty578 3 года назад

Use a firm paint brush for scrubbing. Gets in tight areas way easier than a toothbrush.

@canadaplace2be176 4 года назад

Any one with a fishing road Reel can do this. For practice...

@briankennedy5578 4 года назад

The secret to brake clean in the eyes. Keep your eyes shut for a few seconds. It evaporates and all is good . Open your eyes and ... FIRE

@nombr 4 года назад

Another solid vid! I have a 13 pro rmk, a team clutch as wel would this be exactly the same? Thanks, Gavin

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Close but the Team on the Cat has a different spring/Helix system and the Cat primary and Polaris primary are similar too

@nombr 3 года назад

Ok, could I use acetone after brake clean?

@richardmaaske7483 4 года назад

You should have marked the clutch cover and the spider. For balance ,when you put it back together

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

RICHARD maaske , they are already marked but I could have made a point of it on the video ! Thanks for the reply

@HaNg_ALL_ThE_tRaItOrS_hiGh 4 года назад

Yep. And polaris clutches have a X on each casting.

@aaronw5732 4 года назад

@@DIGIT9 Where/how are the clutches marked? I pulled mine apart and did not mark them. I am worried I put them back together and it won't be balanced. Thank you.

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Aaron W did you split the spider assembly ? What kind of clutch ?

@karllindberg4830 3 года назад

Looking for a secondary clutch for my 2001 zr 600 efi. Please let me know if anyone has one

@shawnokitkun6733 4 года назад

Nice video, very helpful.. although I may need a new clutch because mine isnt disengaging all the way, want to keep squeling and creeping forward.

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Right on thanks for watching Shawn. Snoop around our channel a bit because there's plenty of helpful vids on it. Thanks man.

@shawnokitkun6733 4 года назад

Ok thanks, any Idea what should i check 1st on my clutch, or would know the main problem right off the bat?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Ya , check your weights , they may be binding ! We have a vid on that !

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ldQipYy_Yx4.html

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

What kindd

@jjhu00 2 года назад

Hi Digit9, what are your thoughts on the CVTECH PB80 clutch for a 2015 XF 8000 ? Any experience with this primary clutch? Reliability, performance, ease of maintenance or in the field weight changes, etc. is what I would like to know. Thank you in advance.

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

No idea , never heard of them !

@kevinsedo6869 Год назад

if you clean your clutches monthly lube is the way to go Polaris use to sell clutch and cable lube but it's been discontinued ( probably to sell more clutches ) 10 -12 drops per cleaning is all you need on my second bottle in 40 yrs

@DIGIT9 Год назад

I use that shit on everything !

@kevinsedo6869 Год назад

@@DIGIT9 LMFAO that old lady probably needs some lube

@scottd8555 2 года назад

Ever considered a dry lube like a little graphite for the two rollers?

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

No , never tried it !

@chrise.400 4 года назад

Good vid! Question about cleaning. I have been reading a lot of opinion on using brake cleaner to clean clutch faces/sheaves. Many are saying it’s a no-no as it leaves residue in the metal that comes out once the clutch heats up, and then causes belt slippage and breakdown of the belt material. Some people say alcohol and acetone, no brake cleaner, others use brake cleaner and say no acetone. So many thoughts and opinions on the matter!?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Cleaning with brakecleaner is fine but do a final wipe of the shieves with Laquer thinner ! Clean/dry and no residue ! Been doing it that way for 30 yrs

@waylonthompson1149 4 года назад

Acetone is all I use after sanding the clutches

@biblethumpr2161 2 года назад

@@DIGIT9 Ever consider hosting subscribers photos of their custom sleds? Couldn't find an e-mail.

@warrenschultz2735 4 года назад

If I may....you want to use NONclorinated brake clean. Clorinated break clean leaves a residue.

@roegenrosi-carney7580 2 года назад

How do you get the primary back together without a clutch press?

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

Use your knee on the ground or mat !

@issel71 4 года назад

Got a question for you. Could you make a video on how to set belt deflection on theses 2018 and up cats?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

100% will do a couple vids on deflection ASAP.

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Dont really need to set deflection on these sleds ! The new team clutchs have kind of an auto tightener like a chain case on their belts ! Theres a roller bearing in primary that spins at idle , so they are able to keep belt super tight ! No need for adjustment !

@issel71 4 года назад

DIGIT9 perfect, thanks for looking into this. Appreciate it.

@charlesmichaels3682 4 года назад

Do you have the dimensions for the tool that you use on the clutch? Rod size, length and the u-bolt section?

@charlesmichaels3682 4 года назад

I have two bearcats, 2007/13. Just turned 5k on the 2007 and 16k on the 13.

@drewwhited624 2 года назад

Have you had a problem with binding of the rollers towards the tip of the helix at all?

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

No , I service my clutch’s after every trip , especially on the mods ! Usually that happens due to a faulty Helix or wore out rollers !

@hedgepethracing9590 3 года назад

Take those 3 bolts off the helix with out that tool see what happens lol... love your sleds !!!

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Oh Oh , ouch

@luckygoose844 11 месяцев назад

Can I use simple green and water to wash the clutch, then blow everything out with air?

@DIGIT9 11 месяцев назад

Simple green is not strong enough , but give it a try !

@BrockoM 3 года назад

Did you ever make the video of putting the clutches back together? I waiting for that one before I attempt the cleaning so I don't end up with a box of clutch parts....

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

studio.ru-vid.comldQipYy_Yx4/edit I do explain it a bit in this vid , but if more detail is needed , please let me know !!

@dmills854 Год назад

I’d still love to see the “how to put it all back together” video sometime.

@macgyver72 10 месяцев назад

Good morning, question for you. Can you take the primary cover off while the clutch is on the sled without taking the bolt off? Thanks

@DIGIT9 10 месяцев назад

Absolutely ! Theres tension on face cover , slowly unscrew the bolts each , a little at a time , so make sure it comes off evenly , so not to strip or break a bolt ! DO NOT USE A IMPACT ! Hold face plate with hand or a c-clamp !

@macgyver72 10 месяцев назад

@@DIGIT9 thank you

@DJaquithFL 4 года назад

The clutches are (your case were) balanced, you need to mark them first.

@Ur_mom_loves_the_yz 4 года назад

I’d recommend a Polaris or ski doo

@BrockoM 4 года назад

Have you made the video about putting the clutches back together yet?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Not yet ! Its on the list !

@kwadlife4106 3 года назад

I removed the primary from my rev went to pick it up and the part closer to motor came part from the outside of clutch. Is there a certain way to put it back together?

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Yes , there should be a little notch on shieve closest to engine , line that up with the arrow on outside cover !

@kwadlife4106 3 года назад

@@DIGIT9 thanks alot.

@Mitch1732 4 года назад

My clutch wont engage been sitting for 2 yrs, do I just maybe need to clean it? Kinda new to sleds

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

Mitchell Butram its just stuck , but a good cleaning wouldnt hurt

@Ryan-uw1hw 3 года назад

@@DIGIT9 How do you get it unstuck? I was going to take it apart and clean it figuring the teardown would free it up

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Take the outside cover off , releases the tension on spring , can be done on the sled or best is to take it off ! NEVER use Emery cloth , too abrasive , use the red scotchbrite pads or very fine steel wool to clean surfaces !

@stephenshultz1183 Год назад

Started pulling clutches off my 2010 Rush Pro R for the first time today. I noticed the secondary had a little slide side to side about 1/8th inch on the shaft. Is that normal? almost like it is missing a washer. No wobble on the shaft.

@DIGIT9 Год назад

That is a Polaris thing ! Perfectly normal ! Belt last longer that way !

@stephenshultz1183 Год назад

@@DIGIT9 phew. Thanks for all the great content

@edgarmunoz9991 3 года назад

Would these steps be the same for a 2009 M8? Thanks

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Yes it would but I highly recommend getting a Cat dealer to loosen spider so you can clean the roller bearing on the main shaft ! Its super tight

@edgarmunoz9991 3 года назад

@@DIGIT9 thank you!

@antongrankvist2802 4 года назад

Should the secundary shieves be mounted in a special way like the primary with the 2 x under and Over eachother? I just Think if they are balanced together?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

It only makes sense right !! But the only ones that have timing marks , as far as I know , are the newer Team Secondary’s and the Paragon Secondary’s , most of the older stuff didnt have any ! Guess they thought they couldnt spin them fast enough ??

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

You can get those balanced by a machine shop , then they will have timing marks !!

@antongrankvist2802 4 года назад

DIGIT9 I have a 17 mountain cat so it dosent have timing marks but it needs to be timed right, seems strange?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

The rollers only go in one way , doesnt matter where shieves go !

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

If you marked them before you took it apart , then put it back together same way !!

@brandondunham8040 7 месяцев назад

When it comes to the secondary. Do the sheaves need tk be put back on a certain way?

@DIGIT9 7 месяцев назад

The secondary sheaves have timing marks as well , most do anyway , but wouldnt hurt to mark them and put them back the way they were !

@brandondunham8040 7 месяцев назад

@@DIGIT9 that’s what I did before cleaning. Marked with a paint maker. Then gave the sheave surfaces a good clean. Purchased the sled used with just over 1k for miles. Secondary just seemed off to begin with. Not super familiar with the boss secondary’s. Threw me off when I pulled the bolt and only one sheave came off lol.

@DIGIT9 7 месяцев назад

Thats a TEAM Secondary , bit different animal ! They can only go back together one way but still good to mark the sheaves with a centre punch or something !

@nicolec7290 3 года назад

You sure it good to spray the center bearing with brake clean ?

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

doesn't hurt, gets some bely dust out of there , then I blow it out with air ! 6000 km no issues with clutchs

@TheRedpete379 3 года назад

Is that about the same on Polaris clutch 🤔

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Identical yup !

@1crashedout 2 года назад

You don't have to remove the clutch from the sled to do this

@billhelentedford7280 Год назад

Bill Tedford Cannot find your video on putting your cat clutches back together.

@DIGIT9 Год назад

They go back together same way as a Polaris primary !

@DIGIT9 Год назад

Secondarys are a bit different , dont think we have a vid on that one , but will add it to the list !

@billhelentedford7280 Год назад

@@DIGIT9 Thank you. I agree with everyone to file a small mark on both sheaves to be sure they go back the same way. Does it matter with the weights? 2019 Pantera 7000 LTD that I tour all over northern On, Quebec and heading for New Brunswick this winter. Have about 6000 miles (not km) on her. Always blow the clutches with compressed air when I return but have never taken them apart. Always worked perfect. Never blown a belt on this Yamacat. I guess over my 60 years of sledding I have put more than 50,000 miles and have never blown a clutch and have ridden them all. However, they all break at some point. I enjoy your videos. Well done.

@jasonkruschke2147 3 года назад

I have a 1997 AC z440. New to cleaning clutches but do I need to mark them before tearing them apart?

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Never a bad idea

@jasonkruschke2147 3 года назад

Thx👍🏼Any advice or alternative methods for getting the secondary apart without that tool?

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

That should be old fashion secondary , no tool required

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Send a pic if you can

@jasonkruschke2147 3 года назад

Yeah, there were 3 nuts on top that I slowly took apart with small turns and it came apart pretty easily. Although after cleaning and going to put it back on, some metal bar cam out of the clutch. I’m assuming it goes into the groove of the inside of the clutch to be the male end for the shaft so it doesn’t freely spin on the shaft. I put it back in and got it back on the shaft. It grabs and wants to turn the track so I assume this is good to go. Or no?

@packofjimmys5564 2 года назад

How much for the homemade tool

@DIGIT9 2 года назад

Think it cost me $15 bucks

@gentilejoshsaved1646 3 года назад

Hey Rick why does my cat always break spiders? Last one only made 4 rides, one before that was like 8 rides. Kingcat bigbore. Thanks

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Not sure ? you using stock Cat ones or Machined from STM ?, You also may be missing a shim in clutch , putting extreme pressure on the Spider !!

@gentilejoshsaved1646 3 года назад

@@DIGIT9 It did it to 2 of them in a row, second one was all new everything.

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Really tough to diagnose without seeing it in action !

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

Got the right belt ? Balanced your weights lately ?

@gentilejoshsaved1646 3 года назад

@@DIGIT9 Could it be a crank issue?

@cobycrisp326 Год назад

I need some help , I stripped the threads inside my clutch to pull it off .....what do I do now?????

@DIGIT9 Год назад

Well , if it needs to come off , then you will have to zip cut it off , but if you just want to clean it , then take it apart on the sled , clean parts and put back together !

@cobycrisp326 Год назад

@@DIGIT9 what's a zip cut

@DIGIT9 Год назад

Cut off wheel on a grinder !

@cobycrisp326 Год назад

@@DIGIT9 I went and grabbed a 3/4 16 tap and a new clutch puller and it worked!!! Thanks for answering me back.... I subscribed

@DIGIT9 Год назад

Wow , your lucky !

@jsboening 4 года назад

Is there a certain mileage I should be doing this at or is this a yearly item?

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

I do my mod sleds after every trip , and my stock sled about 4-5 times per season ! But if you blow your clutch’s out with compressed air after every trip or once a week , it will prolong the cleaning procedure !!

@jsboening 4 года назад

DIGIT9 Wow! I’m way behind. Just got into snowmobiling last year. I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up. 👍🏻

@Manimal5279 2 года назад

Throw a bearing in your clutch compressor tool instead of a washer. . Spin off way easier.

@TheRedpete379 3 года назад

How do I get or buy that tool from you

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

OMG Joe, we literally just shot a video YESTERDAY on an easy DIY way to make that tool. Super easy. You in a hurry?

@DIGIT9 3 года назад

As promised Joe: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jyRtEKL_OKs.html

@Faolan161 Год назад

I dry lube my clutch assemblies so they have something to minimize the wear. I've never heard of removing the springs. Interesting thought... I could see it if they were in compressed position all the time, but I see them like the valve springs in your truck engine, and you'll never remove them for storage, and some of them will stay compressed for a long time. They're made of a material that's designed to be stressed. I suppose that's why I've never seen them removed for storage...

@tbowers581 Год назад

That's because it's repeated compressing and extending that wears out springs. Being compressed for extended periods of time does not.

@Faolan161 Год назад

@@tbowers581 with good quality, sure. Heat does damage as well as quicker repetition, eg, higher rpm... I don't think it is a practice I will engage in.

@waylonthompson1149 4 года назад

No need tare it all apart unless weights are sticking or spring binding, all you need to do is take sand paper and scrub all surface that the belt rubs on after you scrub it with sand paper take asatone on a cloth and wipe it down. Never use scotch bright as he did little fiber fall off and ruin the clutch bushings

@mendomotox1569 4 года назад

What about the sand from the sand paper getting into the bushings and wrecking them? Scotchbright is fine, just clean it all after.

@waylonthompson1149 4 года назад

@@mendomotox1569 I've been told this from d&d and many other pro racers. scotch bright is a no no

@petebrown6753 4 года назад

Waylon Thompson wiring for 1998 touring 500sle

@philasselstine7816 4 года назад

what about 3mm emery cloth sand paper stage 1 too clean clutches

@josephshields2057 3 года назад

you didn't mark the outer and inner covers, they are a balanced unit..... hope it doesn't throw your crank bearings out

@willboucha7419 4 года назад

Am I the only one that kept looking at the kid in the back

@DIGIT9 4 года назад

My nephew! Just mowing down a bag of cheezies...LOL. He wanted to be on Digit9 so badly - so here's his debut: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-k58etnhnPNg.html

@HaNg_ALL_ThE_tRaItOrS_hiGh 4 года назад

That brand of brake cleaner and carb cleaner is no good. Parts master is the better brand. 👌

@HaNg_ALL_ThE_tRaItOrS_hiGh 4 года назад

A good rule of thumb is if it doesn't burn when you get it on your hands/fingers when your skin has cracks or any cuts on them the cleaner is no good. Lol.