"I want you to turn on Melee right now and do this combo" Dude it's like midnight for me right now. How did you know it was the perfect time to play Melee
The people will never know how hard it was to make a video like this. Took like 2 full days just to write the script only. Maybe like 3 other people in the world would have been able to explain how to combo in 7 minutes. Little kids have it so easy these days. Back in my day.... /ego
+SSBM Tutorials This is an amazing video? Any chance of something similar for captain falcon? I really like the way you present this, breaking down comboing like this makes it seem so much more doable for newer players like me!
donovan weekley I recently did a scene in my theatre class of the entire exchange between the Bridgekeeper and the knights; whole mess of fun that one was.
Between the falco videos on this channel and squids guide you guys have made it so fun to learn falco. This one in particular and squids guide are probably the two best guides in melee ever created IMO. Thanks for the hard work.
+OfficialThatGuy He still likes Falco versus Leffen and Mew2King, but Leffen can't attend most tournament, and Mew2King hasn't been playing at his best, while Armada and HBox are the biggest threats right now, and he feels like Fox and Marth have a better chance against them.
+kered13 Leffens at eglx, his visa issues got solved. We probably will see him in the upcoming tournaments. And he used falco at Summit vs Armada the whole set. He said and quote: "I was feeling the Falco at practice", and he used it in the actual match.
damn im always coming back to this video. yes that's pathetic that i just havent memorized it but i just forget stuff there is a lot here. thanks dudes.
I think he beats fox at any level other than High or Top. At those higher levels, it SEEMS like its either even or slightly in Fox's favour, but that's just my observation as a low level player.
KuiNoah not true. He dropped falco because the falco metagame shifts in a direction where he needed to play falcon in a way he doesnt want to an he hopes the meta shifts bach. Watch his VOD one more time ;)
I love Falco. He’s so much fun to combo with. His down air is so lovely, and his shine throws people up. It’s great. I just wish his up B was stronger.
@@joecastaneda6195 He already is the best character in the game without fox's up B. Falco players just cant stand their character having a single part of hit kit that isn't the best in the game
@@yurplethepurple2064 I mean everything except movespeed upsmash upair upb and throws. Even Falco shine is better 99.9% of times, getting shield poked by a fox shine loses you neutral and stage position unless they're Hax$. Getting shield stabbed by Johnnyfalco2007 leads to a 80%+ combo because Falco's the easiest character in the game to combo with
I think the question in the end was a really good one. Do more MU stuff, maybe like Falcon - Sheik, can the 20GX beat their demon? Or other controversial MUs like Falco - Peach, Falco - Icies, Pika - Marth etc.
The parts about waveshining depending on which side the shine hits on, and the weak vs. strong followups were actually incredibly helpful. Thanks! Falco wins slightly on FD, but it's even to Fox's favor on every other stage.
Mike McG Fox can still get them to 50-60% on every other stage, so it's not that different. On the other hand, Fox can't use platforms to avoid lasers on FD.
I gotta go with fox. Once you can get around falco lasers effectively, Fox creams him in neutral game. Falco has an easier time in the matchup but if fox knows how to punish, i think its kinda 60/40
Fox may have better matchups overall, but Falco beats Fox by a slight but significant margin. Falco has more reach on his moves (sans his Shine,) and Falco can punish Fox with his combo game harder than any other character.
@@actually_well_ but in response to the actual mu, fox wins because he has a lot of guaranteed true combos on falco, whereas falco doesn't have the same against fox. Fox can kill falco at any percent, combo at any percent, gimps etc. etc. better tools in the neutral (arguably) the MU is probably 60-40 or 65-35 for fox
+RU-vid Account Mango said that falco wins. He based this on the fact that he started winning with falco more. He's not the person whose opinion you should look for.
I'd say it's even. People say like "just powershield lasers" and Fox wins. But I haven't seen much consistency of that, and even if you do, you get like 1% and a good projectile to cover your approach. And Falcos will obviously adapt to it, learning how to deal with laser coming back at him. There is also the mute/fake laser, or whatever it called, where you do it so low it doesn't come out, could be used as a mind game since some players try to react to the sound, and then making them shield unnecessarily. I also think that Falcos punish-game is a lot easier and cleaner than Foxs, and that Foxs requires more precision to really like 0-death Falco, while Falcos is more true and have more variations. Falco also have more range on his moves than Fox, and an AC B-air which is really safe, and also is heavier, meaning better CC. So y, I think it's pretty much even. Falco probably wins the MU at non-top level, but at top level it's pretty much even.
People are gonna hate me for saying that Fox's combos are just as good as Falco's, but it's so true. Up air, Up smash, Up throw, and tech chasing is all you need, and you WILL 0-death Falco if you execute correctly, whereas with Falco most of his combos are 50/50 DI mix ups that aren't guaranteed. Once you get Falco to percents where up air stops giving you follow ups, just bair/shine them offstage and get a free edge guard. Boom. 0-death. In the neutral all you have to do against Falco is powershield (it's not that hard guys) and then use your superior APM to beat him out. Fox obviously has the edge (kek) when edge guarding, he has just as good (if not better) combo game, and arguably better neutral game. All this comes from a Fox main who gets very little practice against Falco and tends to perform quite poorly against them. I am personally mediocre in the MU, but at least I can realize that it's my fault and not just a favorable MU for Falco. In short, Fox wins.
honestly a lot of what u said is true. to win matches falco has to outplay fox whereas fox can steal games from falco he doesn't deserve through gimps and shit. Falco has to work harder to win the matchup but i do think it's an even matchup still.
I realize it's not directly a Melee tutorial, but what about a video about how to find what specifications in controllers are better/fit you? I know I hear a lot about silvers being amazing, stiff and loose analog sticks/triggers, etc.
+CheeseManFuu The controller barely matters, all you need is something that can shield drop. Put enough hours into your controller and it will become a "good" controller
it's an even matchup,they both have an insane punish game on each other if Falco gets a shine combo it can lead to death and if fox gets a grab it can also be fatal
+Sanic for event 50... ganon upsmash or yoshi down air both do ridiculous hp damage. ganon's up smash can hit the base part of the glove when the hands are in neutral position
+iNSOMNIACssbm Jesus, just powershield. People are dumb if they complain about lasers but don't do shit to prepare against them. It's really not that hard, combined practice that I put in for powershielding is probably just a few hours, and I can do it pretty consistently at this point, in and out of tournament. Aside from lasers, Falco has slightly larger hitboxes for the neutral, but Fox's superior APM beats that out in my opinion.
+SSBM Tutorials another question actually (sorry, new to the melee competitive scene) is it a bad habit for me to pretty much only use tap jump with the exception to wave dashing and shine canceling? should I try to get used to pressing x or y?
+Tyler Wills that's pretty short sighted. Falcon could just as easily power shield back or laser cancel as a mix up. Falco's laser will always be an objective advantage
+Not Thomas It's harder to powershield the lasers back as falco because the sound is not there. When you shoot a laser, it isn't as much of an advantage as it's made out to be (unless sound is turned off) because the SOUND is easier to react to than visual cue. Lasers simply aren't as dominant in the meta as before, and powershield laser is becoming more prominent and common.
+M16U1_D4_5CHKRU8 power shielding has an audio cue as well, so what's stopping falco players from anticipating that. The meta is shifting, but that's simply because fox is the most concentrated character in terms of the meta being pushed. Once falco players adapt, however long that takes, it will again place favor on falco
Max B. Bowser is actually somewhat floaty I think. He's kinda...middle tier. His weight is insane obviously but he doesn't fall as fast as roy. Maybe he's only a couple down from roy on the fastfall tier list? lol idk.
How to combo Floaties with Falco? Peach, Puff? And mid speed? Marth Sheik. Characters you shouldn't over extend against? Samus, Luigi. All of these would be very useful to know
To combo floaties, after the initial shine, double jump over them and fall with a dair. then uptilt don't over extend vs anyone. over-extending implies you went too far
In general, I believe Falco should take the victory. His lasers can keep Fox playing his game, and his combos are much better. He doesn't succumb easily to Fox's vertical hits, but Fox is easily killed by Falco's horizontal moves. The only issue would be shine spiking, but if the Falco is controlling the pace, it's a wrap for Falco. You have to be absolutely god-like as a Fox to defeat Falco, and even then, Falco can still take it.
Depends on certain situations. In PAL, Falco dominates even at the highest play due to less kill power with Fox. NTSC the line is blurred a fair bit. Depends on the player, West for example. On a technical perspective Fox wins at top level, any lower I feel it's even.
I personally think Falco wins the matchup because both fox and Falcos shines come out at frame 1, and Falcos is a better combo tool, as it pops you up. And most of Falcos moves are powerful, and combing that with L-canceling makes them deadly tools. And I'd probably say that Falcos down air is the best move in the game, and both fox and Falco have great shield pressure, but any mess up with fox can easily lead to a stock loss. Falco doesn't have that issue.
Eddie The Smasher i agree with some of what you said but falco definitely has a huge issue with being a glass cannon. He can combo and destroy his opponents but he can be easily gimped. Fox's recovery is so much better that he can slightly afford to make those mistakes more than falco. Also, Fox's shine is still a great combo starter if you know how to waveshine.
I'd probably say 50-50. At low level easily falco, but mid and high level its 50-50 because of Falco winning neutral, but Fox's edge guards. Falco's lasers are what keeps the matchup 50-50, and not in Fox's favor, because of approach, camping and offstage lasering.
Kira, I was wondering how you avoid entering "auto-pilot" mode and letting your brain shut off during sets. Do you have any advice for some way of doing that?
+Alex Sperandio Sometimes it's better to do that tbh. Lets you react faster. You can't think about every tiny decision in this game, it's just not possible. Otherwise pick a specific situation and tell yourself what you will change next time you get in it
I say Fox if he doesn't get hit and knows how to power shield well. All you really need to do is play like Marth, and since your moves are a bit quicker than Falco, it's a lot like playing just a really fast Marth in this matchup. At least that's my experience, I usually c-pick Fox on Falco or just play the ditto. So Fox 6-4 Falco.
I think Fox vs Falco is either even or slightly in Fox's favour, and when I say slightly I mean no worse than 55/45. For the record, I think if there's any character that actually does beat Fox, it's Marth.
It's hard for us to straight up say Fox or Falco because you see some Falcos go off against some foxes, but, overall, the match-up is 52-48 for Fox. He probably wins due to having a more reliable kill set up in edge guarding. Kira you should tell us what you think for some of these polls!
Falco wins, unless the Fox is able to get grabs. Fox's grab on Falco is basically a Falco shine, as it's the best way to open him up and it leads to gigantic punishes and possible 0-deaths (not just on FD). If the Falco doesn't let the Fox get free grabs, Falco wins. Falco has the defensive options to deal with Fox (cc shine, amsah tech/sdi up the thunder's combo, utilt, AC bair, aerials in place, etc.) to deal with most of Fox's offense, and his lasers and shine are ridiculously broken af. At the end of the day though, I think this it the most even matchup in the entire game.
I noticed that if u been using down air lately ( causes Stale-Move Negation) you can do one more down air shine, before it is tech able, if u start pillaring on 0 % :)
you keep saying "if they guess their DI" or "if you predict correctly." I mean, there are essentially three di options, so are most combos dropped if you guess wrong? will most people only di one way for a bit? iirc westballz said it doesnt matter where they di, is this true? thanks so much for the vids. practice every day and this really helps me specifically target things in my practice.
also at 4:15 you say use weak hits to continue combo for switch to di in. was that not a strong nair, and not weak? or do you mean moves that are not smash attack or backair. sooorrrrrry
Well you can follow up on any DI but sometimes you do have to guess correctly. You can manipulate their DI by mixing up which side you shine them on as well, often times you can get long combos going either way.
I play PAL, and there Falco wins slightly, in my opinion. Fox have worse kill options, is lighter, worse recovery, while Falcos little nerf barely affects the matchup at all, as his edgeguarding and combos works equally well against Fox.
fox wins it just by default; falcos options are a bit more limited compared to fox's; whereas fox has options for damn near anything. but lets be real here, falco is CLEARLY the character the most swag, and swag beats skill every time, so in a way, falco does kinda beat fox :p
Fox and Falco are very even and it's hard to chose who would win. Falco definitely wins neutral but Fox also has heavy punish game on Falco and also has chain grabs at low % so I can't chose as it's all about how the game plays out.
How do I know if I hit the right or left side of fox? do you mean the direction foxes nose is pointing?? sorry, if this is a dumb question but I need some clarification about knowing which direction to wavedash.
i think fox vs falco is slightly favored in falco's favor at all stages of play - when a falco like westballz is playing on point, i think he gets way more off an opening in neutral on average compared to a top fox.
top level fox is debatable, to who ever is on form that day, for exmaple On point mango vs on point armada, gonna be fox, if Amrada lets mango into his head, mangos is just reading like a god falco.
