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How To Convert 3 Wire Dryer Electrical Outlet to 4 Wire 

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If you've wondered How To Convert a 3 Wire Dryer Electrical Outlet to 4 Wire dryer outlet, then wonder no more. Today we show you how to convert 3 wire dryers to 4 wires for modern National Electric Code, and how to wire a 4 prong dryer cord. Time for changing dryer from 3 prong to 4 prong. Since 1996, National Electrical Code forbids 3-wire dryer electrical outlets in new construction; we must use 4-wire outlets and remove the ground strap from new dryers when you are wiring it up.
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✅ Leviton 278 30-Amp, 4-Wire Dryer Outlet: amzn.to/2GOMjle
✅ G.E. Wire 30-amp Dryer Cord: amzn.to/2VnV8Wn
How to convert 3 wire to 4 on a dryer outlet
Here we show you how to convert an older 3-wire electrical 220 V outlet for your clothes dryer to a modern National Electrical Code approved 4-wire dryer outlet connector with electrical wiring.
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changing dryer from 3 prong to 4 prong
When you buy your new clothes dryer, order your new 4 prong dryer cord for $20. Do not order the 3-prong dryer cord if you are upgrading your outlet box from 3-wire to 4-wire! We are ditching the old style 3-prong dryer cord in favor of the newer code compliant 4 prong dryer cord.
It is a good idea to upgrade your older 3-wire dryer outlet box when you buy new appliances like a dryer, which is why we advocated above to ditch the 3-prong dryer cord. If you are remodeling your home with permitted electrical work, the building inspector will check your electrical wiring and require you to upgrade your electrical dryer outlet to bring it into compliance with current NEC rules. If they see a 3-wire dryer outlet installed, the building inspector may force you to upgrade your 220-volt outlet from 3-wire to 4-wire.
Converting from 3 prong dryer cord to 4 prong dryer cord
When you buy that new dryer, you'll convert that 3 wire dryer outlet to 4, using a 4 prong dryer cord on that dryer outlet. Connecting a 4 prong dryer cord with 4 wires to your new dryer is easy, but you MUST remove the ground strap inside the dryer that shorts the white wire (common) to the green wire (earth ground) before you attach your new 4 prong dryer cord. These are electrical safety rules for DIY electrical tasks in converting to 4-wire.
Connecting a 4 prong dryer cord to a new clothes dryer for a dryer outlet
We'll show you in this DIY video all about ditching a 3-wire dryer cord and using instead a 4-wire cord to your new dryer, including the electrical wiring inside the dryer. Then you'll be ready to hook up the dryer to the 220 volt outlet. It is so important to follow the manufacturer instructions on wiring, depending if you are wiring a 3-wire dryer cord or a 4-wire dryer cord, you might consider a new dryer plug, and we'll show you all about connecting a dryer cord with 4 wires.
No more 3 prong dryer cord on this dryer outlet
Just say no to using a 3 prong dryer cord, convert to a 4 prong dryer cord. 4 prong dryer cords required by electric code, so future proof your dryer outlet when you convert 3 wire dryer to 4 wire dryer.
connecting a dryer cord with 4 wires
Electrical safety is top priority when working with DIY electrical wiring of your 4 prong dryer cord. Removing that grounding strap is required by code, because when connecting a dryer outlet to a 4-wire plug, the ground wiring must now be separate from the white common wire. Once the DIY electrical wiring portion of this do it yourself task is complete, you can then begin connecting a dryer to the outlet box with the new 4 prong dryer cord.
Connecting a dryer cord with 4 wires
This video also shows you how to hook up dryer cords with 4 wires to the back of the clothes dryer, and how to properly ground this 4-wire dryer cord. Connecting a dryer cord with 4 wires is easy.
Connecting a dryer outlet
Now that you have the new 4-wire dryer plug wired to the dryer, you are ready to plug in the dryer plug into the dryer outlet box on the wall and fire it up! You just got better DIY electrical tips on wiring a 4 prong dryer cord than Ask This Old House.
00:00 Introduction to 3 wire dryer outlets receptacles
00:29 Inside wiring of 3-Wire dryer outlet
02:35 Upgrading to 4-wire outlet, turn power off first
02:55 Anatomy of 4-Wire dryer outlet
07:39 Remove wires from old 3-wire outlet
08:20 Move wires to 4-Wire outlet
10:33 Wiring dryer for 4-Wire connectivity

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@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
✅ Tools/Parts in this dryer electrical outlet video: Fluke FLK2AC Voltage Detector: amzn.to/2THggao Leviton 278 30-Amp, 4-Wire Dryer Outlet amzn.to/2GOMjle G.E. Wire 30-amp Dryer Cord: amzn.to/2VnV8Wn
@Gabriel24861
@Gabriel24861 3 года назад
Thomas IIXE nice time II call you
@edwardrobinson1541
@edwardrobinson1541 3 года назад
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@jamesdowning8909
@jamesdowning8909 2 года назад
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@Sambo16
@Sambo16 3 года назад
I can't believe how protective you are of all the little kids playing behind the dryer. Thank you! On a serious note, I appreciate the video very much. Extremely detailed and full of helpful information that other videos breeze over. I appreciate the talk about what the codes are. Thanks!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
You are so welcome Sam, and thanks for watching
@brucebear1
@brucebear1 5 лет назад
Finally, there's a knowledgeable, sane electrical poster on RU-vid. No "suicide cords", no lectures on how Code is "too expensive", no "this is really all right". Thank you for that. Re: having the ground on the upper position, it's a good safety thing, too. Dryers move around a little by themselves, plus the cord is heavy so they tend to pull the cord out a little bit after being is use for a while. If the ground is in the upper position and the cord is hanging straight down, there's much less of a lever action putting force outwards on the plug. Also, if for some reason the plug gets dislodged and a small metal item (clothes hanger, etc) falls onto the terminal prongs, it's much more likely to hit the safe ground terminal; if the very worse happens and the metal item hits a "hot" terminal (X or Y), it's almost sure to also hit the ground, resulting in an immediate breaker trip before anyone can get hurt. Yeah, it's a good thing.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
That is a great idea! Thanks!
@MsShanarun
@MsShanarun 5 лет назад
You added a lot more info than I initially thought of. Thanks for posting!!!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Be sure to subscribe to our channel and also hit the bell icon to be alerted of new useful DIY videos each week.
@jdog0519
@jdog0519 2 года назад
Just changed mine today appreciate the vid man clear and straight forward 💯🔥
@luiscotto8405
@luiscotto8405 2 года назад
Thank you so much! I had to install a 4 prong cord on my new dryer that had the neutral n the ground together! I did it before I found this video n I did it the same way you did, connected the green to the metal n got rid of the brass connector! Thanks again! Now I know I dit it right! God bless you!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
@luvkountry
@luvkountry 5 лет назад
Great instruction. I'm no electrician but when I pretend to be I usually try to make sure that any bare ground wires don't cross or touch any of the insulated live or power carrying wires. I do this as an additional precaution. Most washer and dryers sets are installed in close proximity to each other and sometimes the washers vibrate excessively when unbalanced so it never hurts to take the additional precaution to remain safe and have peace of mind..
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Indeed and that is why you are still alive today
@beardofsteve
@beardofsteve 5 лет назад
THANK YOU for this! This is the only video I could find explaining what the grounding strap is and why I need to remove it. I knew I needed to remove it but also didn't know where to put my new ground wire, you explained that as well. I feel much safer tackling this job now.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Awesome, I'm glad we cleared that up for you. Sometimes people complain I'm too long winded, or waste too much time on the trivial details because people are always in a rush. But it's the trivial details that are the most important.
@beardofsteve
@beardofsteve 5 лет назад
jeffostroff people are idiots, Jeff, you are not! Haha. I appreciate the details here. In fact I just finished installing my washer and dryer with the new 4 prong cable. Working as intended!
@bbens999
@bbens999 3 месяца назад
Thank you sir! Very much appreciated - worked like a charm.
@louisnatkin5317
@louisnatkin5317 Год назад
Great video! I tend to keep extra parts or attach them in a safe place. The only thing I could even comment on is just getting an extra bonding screw, attaching in to the original position and point the bonding wire down with a label on it. It isn't your problem but if you ever get sell or give away the dryer. Someone may convert it back to a three prong cord and not realize they need to ground the machine.
@Tinyhall1
@Tinyhall1 3 года назад
Thanks - excellent and complete teaching, explaining all the little complications that happen in the real world (but are glossed over in many vids). Great job!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Glad you liked it thanks for watching!
@ScubaCat3
@ScubaCat3 5 лет назад
I just swap over one wire at a time so I don't get them mixed up. Great video, thanks for posting it!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
I'm glad you found our video useful good job on getting it done.
@rickgomez4445
@rickgomez4445 10 месяцев назад
Great video, Thx for the help.
@ElEddieboss
@ElEddieboss 3 года назад
Thanks for the Video it helped me to change from 3 to 4 wall plug
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
No problem 👍 Thanks for watching Eddie!
@alinajmi4004
@alinajmi4004 3 года назад
Excellent presentation, thank you
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@moonamigo
@moonamigo 2 года назад
😁👍Excellent Detailed Video... Thank You!!!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@kimtierney7299
@kimtierney7299 2 года назад
Thank you so much! This was so helpful!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@davidrobins4025
@davidrobins4025 Год назад
Excellent. Thanks
@quietpianist
@quietpianist 4 года назад
Thank you, Ron Swanson!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
LOL that's sir Ron Swanson
@sinfalacias2009
@sinfalacias2009 2 года назад
Thank you very much for you good explanation. This is a very good video.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@toycelica185
@toycelica185 3 года назад
👍🏻thanks bro, appreciate
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
No problem 👍
@jorgegomez8491
@jorgegomez8491 Год назад
Thank You very much your video is so helpful
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
You are welcome!
@johannjohann6523
@johannjohann6523 8 месяцев назад
well done. thanks. good video.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 8 месяцев назад
Thanks glad you liked with the video
@hphillips7425
@hphillips7425 2 года назад
Good video and explained well👍
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Thank you 🙂
@jorgegomez8491
@jorgegomez8491 Год назад
Thanks!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
Thanks for the $superthanks Jorge!
@dustindircks6647
@dustindircks6647 Год назад
Good video.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
@mbaines95
@mbaines95 3 года назад
Great video! I bought a used dryer that has a for prong cable, but the jump strap is still connected on the dryer. And my old house has a three prong outlet, but i think all the wires are there for a four wire outlet. This video might help me rectify everything.
@panama-sx2oh
@panama-sx2oh 5 лет назад
nice video jeff im a electrician since you have a 30 amp breaker number 10 wire u can use number 10 ground wire ground to box n make connection to outlet dont have to run all the way back to panel
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
We used the existing ground wire that the builder originally ran to the box, but they never wired it up. We simply completed the process.
@carlosgarciaphoto
@carlosgarciaphoto 5 лет назад
Hi paname1965, very interesting note. Would you mind and let me know which code from the NEC applies to your comment, please?
@Al_Z.Heimer
@Al_Z.Heimer 2 года назад
Thank you. Unfortunately, I can't EASILY upgrade with just two large black wires that are hot and a kind of silvery woven/coiled neutral. No ground. Your preliminary info helped me make that decision.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
James, check to see if you have metal conduit, maybe that is your ground. Also, I have had to run separate ground wires back to the panel before.
@techguy3507
@techguy3507 3 года назад
Great video. Well done. 1/4" nut driver is so much easier if possible.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Yes I love that.nut driver set
@jayross6588
@jayross6588 6 лет назад
Informative video, thanks for the posting. I am trying to do some electrical planning.. I have a jointer on the way that I prepped the 220 outlet in a 3 wire configuration as per the manual. In the panel I set up 240 by running a single hot wire from each 20 amp breaker, along with the ground froml to the outlet. I am eyeballing this 240 bandsaw that I plan to buy within the next couple months so while looking in the manual, I noticed the bandsaw power cord has 4 wires.. What would be the easiest way to configure both equipment plugs/outlet so that when I would want to switch, all I would have to do is unplug one and plug in the other in the same outlet.. I dont really understand how (and if its ok) to configure the 3 wire outlet I currently have to include a white wire.. I know the ground and white have similar yet different purposes but I am not electrical savvy enough to know what to do in the particular instance. It seems like you have a pretty good idea and so I wanted to ask you if you might have some insight you could share with me. I would truly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 6 лет назад
Jay Ross What I would do is check with the manufacturer and see if they will allow you to change the power cord to a 4 prong cord and if they do allow that it would solve your problem. Washer's and dryers allow that all the time you have a choice when you buy your washer and dryer if you want to buy a 3 prong cord or a 4 prong cord
@jayross6588
@jayross6588 6 лет назад
Thanks for the reply. I will give them a call, but Im not sure how that would work since the wiring diagram for the jointer doesnt account for an additional connection. The tools often time come without a plug but with a power cord, so you can wire a plug to your configuration. What would I do if they do say that is possible, in my panel I still have only 3 wires- one ground, two hot (each single wire going to one 20 amp breaker connected with a breaker bar). How would you wire in that additional neutral?
@AirSteve-O
@AirSteve-O 3 года назад
“Sanity check”... lol... I like that.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
In my case, insanity check!
@seanzhu5463
@seanzhu5463 3 года назад
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@johnwuethrich6505
@johnwuethrich6505 3 года назад
Earth And C/N are tied at some point in your home if done correctly. 240 doesnt even need common as its leg to leg, IIRC some dryers pull 120 though so for that it sure helps. Micro switching supplies will probably eliminate this soon they have gotten hella cheap and require few external components plus do ranges like 90-300VAC to 5vdc with no trouble. but i believe the real reason you remove that strap is less to do with your saftey than not creating a giant antena with the N and EG/G
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Yes on most electrical panels the common and the ground are tied together on a bus bar inside the electrical panel.
@ryanthomas7069
@ryanthomas7069 5 лет назад
Two questions, One I placed the green ground wire in the original place without the little shiny piece. Also the dryer I bought after changing the prong to 4 from 3 won’t turn on. I didn’t have it tested with the 3 prong because there wasn’t an outlet. How can I test to see if there is anything else failing my dryer
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Ryan, On your first question, I'm not sure what you meant by the little shiny piece, please clarify, and what you meant by original place. On your second question, you should get the voltalert sensor that I link to in the description of this video: Fluke FLK2AC Voltage Detector: amzn.to/2THggao You must use a tool like that to make sure you have voltage going to both your hot wires, which should be the left and right holes in the outlet receptacle. There should be no voltage on the white wire or the ground wire. Even better if you can get a digital multi meter, set it to volts AC, and measure the actual voltage of the 2 hot wires, to make sure you get 120 on each wire. Also, check where the dryer cable is attached to the terminal block inside the back of the dryer. Is the black wire screwed onto a terminal screw with the black wire inside the dryer? Same with red wire? White wire to white and green wire to green? Did you remove the metal strip/shunt from the green to the white wire on the terminal block like the dryer instructions tell you to do? Make sure your dryer circuit breaker is on in the fuse panel.
@irraesto7283
@irraesto7283 2 года назад
My outlet has a black and white wire and the ground i feel that a wire is missing 😕
@greenzone5146
@greenzone5146 4 года назад
My 3-wire neutral is a bare copper wire that runs through metal conduit back to the box. Do I still need to run another bare copper ground back to the box to upgrade to a 4-wire? Or can I just ground the new outlet to the metal box?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
What you need is an insulated white neutral wire going back to the electrical panel, but also we need to see if your panel is wire with neutral or ground or what. How old is your house?
@greenzone5146
@greenzone5146 4 года назад
@@jeffostroff built in 1918, but I'm sure it was rewired at some point since the old knob and tube is gone. My dryer outlet is literally two feet from the breaker box with wall-mounted metal conduit, so it should be easy to rerun the wires. Just seems strange to run a separate neutral and ground wire just so they can be connected to the same bus bar two feet away. Why not just connect them at the outlet?
@Culture-and
@Culture-and Год назад
I just moved and changed my 3 prong outlet to a 4 prong in order to fit my dryer. When I turned on the breaker for my dryer, it was tripped (lit red). When I turn the breaker off and and back on, it’s still tripped. Any idea what the issue may be?
@darelldd
@darelldd 2 года назад
While it is of course true that it is no longer "allowed," I think it would be a great service to your adoring masses to mention WHY it is no longer allowed to to use the neutral as the ground. Rules are one thing. But knowing the reason for those rules is powerful. What amazes me most is how this was once considered "safe" to bond the neutral to the metal of the machine.
@bk9852
@bk9852 2 года назад
Shock or fire pick your poison
@darelldd
@darelldd 2 года назад
@@bk9852 Wiring correctly protects from both, yes?
@bk9852
@bk9852 2 года назад
Shock to the dryer and fire
@bk9852
@bk9852 2 года назад
I couldn't agree more
@jamescc2010
@jamescc2010 2 года назад
How do you test a ground wire for good or bad working, and also if it comes from the panel?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
You don't really. They have advanced equipment that can put a signal on a wire at the panel and see if it receives that signal at the outlet box.
@rcireland
@rcireland Год назад
I can't find the cover plate that you used. I ordered one that looked the same but the opening was too large. It's a 813c.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
I always test everything out in the store to make sure they fit before I leave. That's the best way to find them and if that story doesn't have it then you gotta go to another home depot.
@sandspritpark
@sandspritpark 2 года назад
GLOVES..LOL
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Gloves are our friends
@joealtorfer1740
@joealtorfer1740 5 лет назад
I only have 3 wires in wall, black/red/white. Can I install a jumper from the neutral to the ground on the 4 wire outlet and avoid running a new ground wire?
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 4 года назад
Joe Altorfer No not legally. That is the whole purpose of changing the receptacle.
@JanceAnderson
@JanceAnderson 5 лет назад
i want that installed screwdriver set... where did you get it... BTW Great Video and Very Informative! Thanks!
@turd7771
@turd7771 Год назад
My outlet only has a white, black and bare ground wire. I tried using a jumper to jump the black to the other hot side on the four hole outlet and it tripped the breaker when I tried to turn it on. What do you do when you don’t have the red wire?
@szargos
@szargos 3 года назад
Nice Video. So I might have to do something like this. Unsure, as the house has not been moved in to yet, but it has a 3 prong outlet. Dryer is 4 prong. Assuming there is no ground wire, there is no issue with changing the dryer to a 3 prong, correct? However the best practice is to always convert the outlet to 4 prong if possible?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
right you can change the dryer card back to 3, but then you have to add the metal shunt back in place at those terminals in the back, and short the white neutral to the green chassis wire. I bet if you open up the outlet box you'll see a ground wire in there. If you do, your problem is solved and all you need to do is buy the 4 conductor outlet receptacle.
@szargos
@szargos 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff Great. I'll definitely check. Thank You!
@hazard389
@hazard389 3 года назад
Can i get the ground wire from the washer 110 outlet next to the dryer outlet if i don't have a ground like you have?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Yes it is better than nothing at all but it is preferred to have each circuit running its own ground wire. It could be that your dryer if you have conduit throughout the house, might be grounded to the metal conduit which was big back in the day. But I would check your fuse panel and see do you have a ground wire coming from the dryer breaker. If you do then you really need to search to find out what happened to that ground wire and why it's not in the box, or if they grounded it to the pipe conduit, then maybe all you need is to screw in a ground wire pigtail into the back of the box.
@hazard389
@hazard389 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff thank you
@nestcamo1181
@nestcamo1181 3 дня назад
The white ground wire, did you switch it to the neutral bar at the panel?
@tiaviahorses40
@tiaviahorses40 Год назад
Hi Jeff, I wanted to make sure I am doing my wiring right. On the new 4-wire; since I am connecting the new green wire to ground where the green/yellow was, Do I connect the green/yellow wire behind the white neutral?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
No they should be 4 distinct wire connections.
@tiaviahorses40
@tiaviahorses40 Год назад
@@jeffostroff Thank you so much!
@campucheakingz367
@campucheakingz367 5 лет назад
Hi I just changed the 3 prong outlet and the wires were red, white, black, and a copper one. The copper one is short then the colored ones. I got it some what screw in tightly plugged it in turn the breakers back on and turn on the power for dryer no luck at all. The breakers for the dryers is also 40 watt instead 30. Any suggestions?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Check to see at the outlet, if the wires have voltage on them. I highly suggest you get the Fluke FLK2AC/90-1000V Pocket-Sized Voltage Detector, VoltAlert 90 to 1000 V AC, that is what I use in the video: amzn.to/2THggao Double check that your wires are all the way into their correct connector holes on the outlet, so that the exposed wire is touching the metal lead inside the connector. Also, make sure the 4 wires are connected correctly according to their intended location on the outlet. The copper ground should go to the horseshoe shaped hole, while the white neutral wire should connect to the L-shaped hole. The black and red wires go to the other 2 connector holes, usually called X and Y, but does not matter which of the X & Y that the red and black wires connect to, they both carry 120 volts each and the appliance is looking for the aggregate total of 240 volts from the red and black wires. Lastly, check if your circuit breaker might be to blame, maybe it is bad, or needs to be pushed in further to the breaker panel bus bar. Also check where the red and black wires attach to their respective breakers on breaker panel, make sure they are screwed into their respective breaker, make sure those set screws are nice and tight, to ensure a proper electrical connection.
@campucheakingz367
@campucheakingz367 5 лет назад
Thank you Jeff I appreciate you taking your time reaching back Ima have to try it tomorrow after I get home from work.
@karlagarza6614
@karlagarza6614 4 года назад
Great video! I have a 3 prong outlet and want to change to a 4 prong, but the wall outlet only has 3 wires, there is no ground wire, can I add a ground wire to the metal box attaching it with a screw, would that work for my electric dryer? Or DEFENETLY must run the ground wire from the main electrical box?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
Karla you must run a ground wire back to the panel, that's what we've had to do a few times, it's not that hard but if you have never done this, you should let an electrician do it for you. What you are suggesting would not provide a ground at all, becuase this circuit requires it's own ground.
@karlagarza6614
@karlagarza6614 4 года назад
@@jeffostroff thanks í will looks on that
@matthewknudson357
@matthewknudson357 5 лет назад
Hey Jeff! I am trying to switch from 3 to a 4 outlet and the 3 plug has a copper ground a white and a black wire but no red wire. Will i need both hot wires when making this upgrade? Thanks
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Excellent question, not sure, but I am thinking that the white wire you have there might be the other 120 volt hot lead. This would make the most sense, as many older homes had 120 v, 120v, and ground as their 3 wires. Can you get a volt meter and measure the AC voltage of both the white wire to copper ground, and also from the black wire to copper ground? I bet you'll see 120 volts on both the white and black. If this is the case, I would recommend installing a brand new 4 conductor cable from the fuse panel to the outlet. There they would attach the copper wire to the ground bus bar in the panel, and then they can pick up the white wire from the neutral bus bar in the panel, then they simply connect to both the red and the black wires to 120 spots in the panel fro the dryer wiring.
@carlosgarciaphoto
@carlosgarciaphoto 5 лет назад
jeffostroff thanks for your video. I understand your reply to Matthew but I have a question. In the main panel (not a subpanel), the neutral and ground are connected in the same bar. So, this new 4 wire connects as follows in the main panel: White and ground together, black and red in their own 120Volt leg. The connection in the dryer does not change, we still need to remove the ground strap from the dryer. Is that right?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
@@carlosgarciaphoto Yes, the white and green wires are connected together in the main panel bus bar. At first glance even I at one time questioned why do they want the white to be separate from the green inside the dryer outlet box, if they are connected together in the main panel anyway? I think the answer lies in the separation of the wires itself. As long as we separate the white and the green wire, the white wire will always carry the return current back to the box where it terminates on the bus bar, tied to the green wire. BUT, back in the outlet box, the green wire normally never carries any current unless there is a fault somewhere and 120v hot wires short to the chassis. See the difference? They never want the safety ground wire to carry current under normal operation. Only the white wire should carry any current. this keeps things in a predictable state.
@limsun3814
@limsun3814 Год назад
My dryer outlet has 2 wires and no ground and there both black I am trying to install a new outlet and watching your video, do I need to have a ground installed? I had a dryer plugged into the outlet for 4 years and it worked fine. Helplp
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
If your Electrical panel has grounds in them, I would run a new ground wire to the dryer port from there, along with the white neutral
@lberhold
@lberhold 2 года назад
If you are on a 120/240 V line, they are NOT out of phase, 120/240 is single phase. 120/208 is 3-phase voltage which is very rare in residential (exception being commercial residential).
@floorpizza8074
@floorpizza8074 Год назад
Came here to say this. In the US, we have two 120v legs, that are "split" off of a single phase. So two legs that are in the same phase with each other, not 120 degrees out of phase.
@jessenester1760
@jessenester1760 Год назад
Rookie. He meant to say the two 120 volt hot legs are 180 degrees out of phase. Not 120 degrees. You are not SHORTING OUT the white to green it is called neutral bonding, or NEUTRAL TO GROUND BONDING. It is a jumper, not a short!
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx8627
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx8627 5 лет назад
Hey could you help me figure this out with my dryer outlet. So it's a three wire outlet(white, black, copper) and the plug is a four prong plug. What/where should I connect everything?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
Your case seems a bit different than normal. We would expect that your 3 port outlet would have "red, black, & copper", not "white, black, copper" like you have. Normally the red and black are the 120 volt line voltage, and the ground wire is connected to system ground. So because of this confusion with wire colors, you need to check your fuse panel and see where they connected that white wire to, is it power, or is it a white neutral wire? We need to make sure that the white wire is indeed a line voltage and not the white common wire. You need a digital voltmeter or, you need to see where that white wire comes into your fuse panel and make sure that white wire goes directly the side of the dryer's circuit breaker screw built onto the breaker switch. The black wire should do likewise, and the bare copper ground wire should go to a ground bus bar with other bare copper wires. You cannot use that 4-prong newer plug without updating the dryer outlet on the wall to 4-prong, AND you have to have a 4th wire run, (neutral) to that location which would connect to the white neutral bus bar inside your fuse panel (not to be confused with the other white wire we talked about earlier). See the confusion here? I don't like the coloring of the wires your builder chose. You have too many unknowns here, and should have a licensed electrician doing this. My preference would be if possible, to run all new 4-conductor power cord from the fuse panel to the dryer outlet, with 4 correct colored wires: Black, Red, White, Bare copper. Then you wire it to the back of your dryer according to the install manual, and you'll then remove the copper metal piece that shorts the green wire to the white wire inside the dryer after you are done converting the outlet. That is explained in your dryer's installation instructions with diagrams.
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx8627
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx8627 5 лет назад
@@jeffostroff Thank you for the response! So what's been happening is the dryer breaker would constantly trip about half way into a cycle and more recently just started tripping on its own. I'm scared there could be a short somewhere but as you mentioned it's not exactly the right configuration to begin with so I want to try everything possible beforehand. I only found out it was a three wire outlet when I purchased a new replacement outlet thinking it would resolve the issue. So on the breaker side it's a 30amp double pole and the hot/neutral are connected to it with the copper grounded on the busbar
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
@@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx8627 OK so tripping on its own, the most likely culprit is the breaker switch itself in the fuse panel. they are usually cheap, maybe $10? If you are up to it, you can change it yourself, otherwise have a licensed electrician do it. May have to cut main power outside first. It could also be bad wiring, although unlikely, or your dryer is getting old and having problems causing the motor to work too hard and drawing current. Electricians with an amp meter can clamp around your dryer cord and tell you how many amps your dryer is pulling. At 27-28 amps, it will trip a 30 amps breaker switch. How old is the dryer, and has the dryer itself had any problems?
@paulk468
@paulk468 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff so have same issue and saw another video with someone replacing a 3 wire (black, white and ground. He was putting in the same outlet. He said in homes built in early 80s and before that is how a 220 was wired. So I bought an older home and trying to change the dryer. Bought the new correct plug but old outlet wired with 1 power line (black) a neutral (white) and a ground. Searching all over for how to connect. There looks like there used to be 220 connections with only 1 hot but what it was connecting to only had a spot for 1 hot. So with 2 hits connections what do i do? Looks like call an electrician
@Lupinsx
@Lupinsx 4 года назад
I HAVE A QUESTION IN MY SHOP I HAVE A DOUBLE CIRCUIT BREAKER THAT HAS ONE SWITCH SAYS 20 ON THE BREAKER SWITCH SQUARE D TYPE. MY 220 SHOP PLUG THAT I RUN A DRYWALL HEATER OFF IS THE ONLY THING POWERED BY THIS BREAKER. THE HEATER HAS THREE WIRES. THE INSIDE OF MY 220 SOCKET HAS A RED A BLACK AND COPPER. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A 4 WIRE SOCKET IN TO RUN A HOUSE HOLD STOVE FOR POWDER COATING. CAN I HOOK UP JUST THE RED BLACK AND COPPER AND BE GOOD? . I HAVE NO WHITE NEUTRAL WIRE IN THE BOX. THE WIRING IS SAY TEN YEARS OLD INSTALLED BY A PROFESSIONAL AND WAS INSPECTED SO IM SURE ITS TO CODE.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
Hi Steve, if your circuit breaker says 20A on it, that won't be enough to handle a stove which should typically be 50A. Not only that, the wiring for 20 amps is insufficient, because for a stove you need 6-3 wiring which means 6 gauge, and 3 conductors. You don't have a white common wire either which is strange for work that was done 10 years ago by a professional. With my projects I usually try to upgrade the stove to 4 wire. Usually we have been lucky and already have the white common wire but several times we have had to run the ground wire to make the 4th conductor.
@Lupinsx
@Lupinsx 4 года назад
Thanks for the reply. I will pickup new wire and start fresh at the panel.
@RockStarOscarStern634
@RockStarOscarStern634 2 года назад
Electrical safety codes have been upgraded
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Yes that is why we use the 4 wire outlet in this video
@RockStarOscarStern634
@RockStarOscarStern634 2 года назад
@@jeffostroff Same goes for that washer & it's a good thing they've added a ground wire for every house.
@connorchristy1077
@connorchristy1077 2 года назад
Two owners before me followed these instructions but overlooked the fact that the ground wire was only connected to the metal outlet box. Unlike the lucky situation here most conversions require changing a 3 wire cable with a 4 wire cable which is not a DIY job unless you plan on running conduit all around the outside of your walls.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
We have run the extra wire a few times. Sometimes we have to go up tot he attic and over.
@johnmos2936
@johnmos2936 6 лет назад
hey where can i pick up one of them tester lights that ypu have showed in the video to expain that ther power /no power coming thru the wire
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 6 лет назад
john mos I bought it off Amazon it is called the fluke 2AC alert voltage tester. Fluke 2AC Alert Voltage Tester www.amazon.com/dp/B004I9J4DI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_FdbtAbHMCBC6G
@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys
@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys 3 года назад
This Ground and Neutral thing has always scrambled my eggs because aren't they both connected to the same buss bar in the entrance main box~? An old instructor that taught me years ago used to say "ground is ground is ground"~!
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
Yes they are connected inside the fuse box, and it is confusing, although I suspect the reason why they have separated the ground from the neutral is that current is flowing from the black hot wire, through the appliance, and back through the neutral to the fuse box to complete the circuit. But if you have a sperate ground wire, there is no current flowing in that ground wire, making the ground wire safer to sue to ground the chassis with.
@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys
@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff Thanks for your explanation and I guess I am doomed to keep thinking "Gnd is Gnd" "Always was and Always is". Thanks for efforts to make us rookies understand=it's appreciated.
@brandonsherman7450
@brandonsherman7450 Год назад
Was the red wire the 'x' or the 'y'? Also, I may not be too savvy in this department, so I do not know if this makes any sense. Could you (not having a ground in the wall) still switch to 4-outlet and leave the ground strap on the dryer?
@KaiErichsen-rr2qi
@KaiErichsen-rr2qi Год назад
X and y are interchangeable. I'm more curious which ports the ground leads go into. Why didn't he show it? Does it matter?
@rosebrannan1743
@rosebrannan1743 2 года назад
I had a friend install a couple 3 prong outlets for me and saw they were all installed with the ground prong to be on top like you did. Normally outlets are installed with the ground prong at the bottom. Then I asked an electrician if that is safe and he told me it's not code that the ground prong in an outlet has to be on the bottom but it is an issue of safety that it should be. Something about how a person normally pulls out a plug from top to bottom. If ground prong on an outlet is at the top then the ground prong is pulled out first when a person pulls the plug out of the outlet. This can then make it unsafe since the 2 active prongs/now on the bottom. are last while being pulled out of the outlet if they touch metal, or there's a splash of water, etc. The ground prong has been pulled out first if it's in the top position so that jeopardizes the safety/protection of the active electric prongs being pulled out last from the outlet.
@zp944
@zp944 Год назад
I understand the reasoning behind what the electrician said, but I'm struggling with his justification. I actually walked around my house with a little power strip I wasn't using and plugged it in and pulled it out to see how I naturally pull a plug. Some of my outlets have ground on top, some have it on bottom. I tested it on your typical wall outlets, at standard height. I also tested it on kitchen outlets that are counter height. And the wild card was the outlet in my bathroom which is sideways (ground on the right) and located above my head, about 6'3" high on the wall. The results were interesting. The power strip I was using had the power cable coming off the side of the plug, next to the ground prong, so that when plugged in to the outlet it was flush with the wall, not the kind with the wire sticking out of the back of the plug, like you typically find in ungrounded appliances. I started with the standard "normal" outlets along the wall in my living room, with the ground at the bottom. I tried 3 different locations. All 3 times I noticed that with the ground on the bottom, and the power strip cord aimed at the floor, I always pulled it by the cord when removing it. I reached down, grabbed the cord, and pulled up and out at an angle, meaning I pulled the ground first. However, at no point was able to fully remove the ground before the hot wires. Even at an angle, all 3 prongs pretty much came out at the same time. Then I moved to the wall outlets that were "upside down," and tried 3 of those. This time, I didn't pull it by the cord to unplug it. I reached down and pulled it out fairly straight by grabbing the plug head. I'm sure there was some upward angle as I pulled, cause I was still standing, but it wasn't noticeable. Then I tried the counter outlets, and the one in my bathroom. 2 counter height "normal" outlets, 3 counter height "upside down" ones, and one sideways. I noticed something very interesting about those outlets. Whether the ground was on top, on bottom, or on the side, in all those tests I pulled the plug straight back by the head rather than the cord. The ground prong and the hot prongs all left the outlet at as close to the same time as you could get. I retried the test again using an extension cord, where the cable was attached directly to the back of the plug, sticking out away from the wall rather than close to it. In this test it was instinct for me to pull it by the cord for all the outlets except one of the counter height outlets with the ground on bottom, and the overhead outlet with the ground on the side. In both cases I noticed that if I pulled the plug by the cord, I'd be pulling it "sideways" because of the angle I was at, so I opted to grab it instead. But in all the tests, the plug came out fairly straight, regardless of pulling the cord or pulling it the "right way." So what do I conclude at the end of my super scientific study? Having the ground on the top or the bottom doesn't really matter, but ground on top does have an ever so slight advantage due to the way plugs are removed in some situations. But it's more beneficial for the appliances than it is a safety thing. What does seem to matter more than outlet rotation, is outlet LOCATION. Outlets that sit about elbow height are the most natural to unplug "safely," with outlets below the wait being the least natural.
@blackratsnakes
@blackratsnakes 11 месяцев назад
Wanted to get your thoughts on this. I know you usually never want to do this, but they sell a 10-30 to 14-30 adapter so that you can plug a 4 prong into a 3 prong outlet. And on the 4 prong side they actually have the ground wire coming out and running as a separate wire. They say you would then plug the ground wire into a nearby standard outlet ground slot (NEMA 5-15, using the ground slot only). It seems like a pretty hokey way of upgrading to a 4 prong but I guess technically this works. You are basically borrowing the ground wire slot from a standard outlet because there was no ground wire available to the dryer outlet to make it a true 4 prong outlet. Do you see anything wrong with this as a way to not have to run another ground back to the main panel for the dryer outlet? Setting aside the fact that it's gonna look really odd with the single green wire going into the nearby standard outlet.
@smi7585
@smi7585 4 года назад
Is a 14-30p cord safe to use on a 14-30r outlet?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
You can use it, just make sure the cord is 30 amp rated, and that you have a 30 amp breaker on the dryer circuit.
@zetuskid
@zetuskid 2 года назад
What would you have to do if the ground wire had not been already run as you show in he video!
@jesses9553
@jesses9553 3 года назад
Jeff, Why does one not get shocked when inserting the electrical tester directly into an outlet.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
You don't get shocked because the electrical tester is made o plastic. If it was made from metal you would get shocked. Also digital voltmeters have metal probes, but the red and plastic handles on them insulates you from the high voltage
@Drew1734
@Drew1734 2 года назад
What if the outlet box I am converting to 4 prong does not have a ground wire in it? My Samsung cord is 4 wire, but the outlet box is from 1993 so there is no ground wire even in the receptacle. There is a green screw on the back of the dryer but that doesn’t reach far enough to be used as the ground wire in the back of the new outlet.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
If your electrical wiring passes tot he box via electrical conduit, it might be grounded already. If not, you have to run a new cable from the fuse panel to the outlet box, one that has a ground
@josephrodriguez8266
@josephrodriguez8266 3 года назад
Just bought a new dryer and hooked everything up good and it wouldn’t dry a code kept coming up that the ground had a problem so I opened up the plug and I have no red in the x plug or at all
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
You should have at least 3 wires, a black wire, a red wire, and white wire.
@mossmanordesign
@mossmanordesign 2 года назад
Excellent video. New dryer came with a four prong plug. I have a 3-prong outlet (house built mid-80’s). I opened the box and have three wires: a white, a black and a bare copper wire. No red. Do I need to call an electrician?
@panemon187
@panemon187 10 месяцев назад
Can i barrow a ground wire by splicing it off another circuit?
@garybrown7044
@garybrown7044 2 года назад
i was an electrical inspector when 4 wire receptacles & pigtails became code. i thought "it's long overdue" unfortunately people moving into a new house with an old dryer and/or range chanced the 4 wire receptacle to the 3 wire "crowfoot" configuration. the thrift stores had plenty of 4 pole pigtails & receptacles as a result. unfortunately the 4 pole configuration didn't go over as well as expected. i suppose in time this will change when 3 pole products are eventually gone.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
this will take another 30 years for the current gen of 3-wire appliances to die off
@garybrown7044
@garybrown7044 2 года назад
@@jeffostroff i've wondered over the years why the appliance mfgrs. didn't use 240 volt drum & timer motors, thus eliminating the need for a neutral. 240 volt stove burners wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
@tobylarone3831
@tobylarone3831 4 года назад
Does the ground need to remain bonded at the metal box when you connect it to the new outlet?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
Yes, National Electric Code requires all metal junction boxes to be bonded to the ground wire. I seldom find this to be the case in a lot of foreclosure properties I have taken over, so the builders are doing a lame job here in FL, and the inspectors are even lamer at checking them.
@tobylarone3831
@tobylarone3831 4 года назад
@@jeffostroff thanks for the reply. Im.also on south FL. My ground wire that bonds the box is cut short. If I was to buy some extra length copper wire, is it possible to extend the ground and extra couple of inches so I can reach rhe new plug? Again thank you for the reply.
@sandspritpark
@sandspritpark 2 года назад
DUH
@TheSanchezFamily1062
@TheSanchezFamily1062 5 лет назад
Successfully switched mine from the 3 prong to the 4. What would have happened if you left the ground strap with the green wire? I left mine in before I seen your video then immediately removed it.
@trevorhuntington6236
@trevorhuntington6236 5 лет назад
The only thing you did was essentially put a four prong plug on but still bonded the ground/neutral which eliminated the added safety of separating them. It's exactly the same as using a 3 prong setup
@StarryDynamo88
@StarryDynamo88 3 года назад
Old house built in 54 with glass screw fuses..... Would it be safer just to upgrade to breaker panel with upgraded dryer wire to 4 prong outlet?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
That is what I would do. My friend bought a 1946 house a couple of years ago, upgraded to a modern panel, made life a lot easier, now he has 3 prong electrical outlets everywhere, and 4 prong outlet for dryer.
@StarryDynamo88
@StarryDynamo88 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff 10/4 , this old house .... Is exactly this old house haha, headaches Thank you
@MM-cd5xk
@MM-cd5xk 3 года назад
If I have all 4 wires, could I assume they are all connected at the breaker? I dont know if I asked that correctly.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
You could remove the panel over the breaker box and see where the wires come in so for example if it's for a clothes dryer just find the clothes dryer breaker and see where the wires are leading to it how they come into the box and see if they're all connected up the ground wire should go right to the ground bar the white wire should go to the other bar with the white wires and by the way both of those two bars are connected together. The black wire and the big red wire should each go to dear respective breaker connections
@larrymar19
@larrymar19 2 года назад
I'm confused about the first part of the video How could the 3 prong have been running without a ground?? 3 wire 220 is a ground with 2 hot legs. Seems you would need to run a neutral and wire that in the breaker box
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
That's the way they did it back then and remember there was a ground already in there, and in your electrical panel the ground and the neutral are connected together, but nowadays they want completely separate neutral from the safety ground after 1996 I believe it is. The likely reason for this is they pretty much want current to stay on the neutral line, and they don't want the ground wire to be a current carrying conductor, unless there is a short circuit and then it just directs the current to ground.
@richarda.valdes1197
@richarda.valdes1197 4 года назад
Run a ground green wire to a grounding rod conviente located outside . Easier than running a new green wire all the way back to the breaker box. Will that work?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
No you cannot do that! The reason why is if the hot wire shorts to the ground Then you have the problem that the fuse might not blow inside the panel like it should because there is no real circuit you're just feeding it out to the ground and you could still get shocked. This is why they want the ground to return back to the panel to that grounding bar so that it would complete the circuit that way the fuse will trip if there's ever a short.
@woodstream6137
@woodstream6137 2 месяца назад
Might have to do this. the dryer that came with the house is 30yr old and i can't figure out the fix. 3 prong outlet is less than a foot away from circuit breakers. I doubt they have a 4th wire considering how many other hacks we've found.
@phoebecastillo2319
@phoebecastillo2319 4 года назад
Where should i put the ground wire if im changing it to 3 prong outlet?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
Are you saying you are going from 4 prong to 3 prong? You are not allowed to do that and you should never do that.
@onlyone2348
@onlyone2348 3 года назад
Do have to switch out the breaker too?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
As long as the breaker is the correct amperage and is in good shape it can stay
@stuzman52
@stuzman52 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff Now with the NEC 2020, 210.8(A), the dryer receptacle now has to be on GFCI where a breaker would be installed. Clear and concise video Jeff.
@vancester1st
@vancester1st 3 месяца назад
The ground wire in the box looks to be a #12, I thought it had to be the same size or larger than the conductors?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 месяца назад
They are allowed to be smaller because they don't normally carry current
@toadamine
@toadamine 5 лет назад
What about the opposite, I have a generator with a four prong 125/240v 20a plug, I have a welder with a three prong 240v dryer plug that I need to plug I to it... I cannot find an adapter... I do have both end plugs I need and three and four conductor 10g wire... Can I make a little jumper in the plug to connect both 120v sides to the "single hot 240v" needed?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
I just looked on Home Depot's web site, is this an adapter you were trying to get? I hope this link works: click.orders.homedepot.com/?qs=aff930c2a2fa114fe49fec1604a0d6cdd5f9b31b2d7043b7c9727e7b8c2be6ca8e6d8349eafb21c2eecad1995c4e3b09908acb191f622c9c19431a4771b65512
@toadamine
@toadamine 5 лет назад
jeffostroff nope, I need a three prong dryer female to four prong 125/250v 20A twist lock male...
@toadamine
@toadamine 5 лет назад
Female needs to look like www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-50-Amp-Heavy-Duty-Grade-Flush-Mount-Power-Receptacle-with-3-Wire-Grounding-Black-1254-BOX/203492410?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD27E%7C27-2_WIRING_DEVICES%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000034239053%7c58700003946878363%7c92700031954447751&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5s3cBRCAARIsAB8ZjU0T8x187aTtC01DOElGKNI_PGGDRtJr5CMCf0WVvRaqqw7-8SMs3sQaAqAWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=COn2gbn0rN0CFXYFrQYdL2EGfA
@toadamine
@toadamine 5 лет назад
Male end needs to look like this www.walmart.com/ip/TSV-L14-30P-Locking-Generator-US-4-Prong-Male-Plug-30A-125-250V/160525693?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=2961&adid=22222222228146555887&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=256590953955&wl4=pla-487083549837&wl5=1014415&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113509951&wl11=online&wl12=160525693&wl13=&veh=sem
@toadamine
@toadamine 5 лет назад
Problem is one is four conductor 110/110/neg/gnd... Other is three conductor 220/neg/gnd... My question is can I put both 110's together to make 220 or does it not work like that?
@zetuskid
@zetuskid 2 года назад
Oh I’m sorry.! I didn’t listen to well. You explained I would have to run a ground from my panel to the dryer plug box.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
few times I have had t climb into attics to run ground wires, and even cut holes in drywall to feed it up the wall past fireblocks
@richardklinger9886
@richardklinger9886 3 года назад
Why do they still sell the appliances with the three prong?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
I think most houses still have 3 prong so they actually sell you the appliance, and you buy the power cable separate, and if you need 4-wire, you remove the shunt metal strip that shorts common to ground on the back of the machine first.
@anthonydelgrosso6518
@anthonydelgrosso6518 3 года назад
So the wire coming out of the wall is cloth covered. There is a red, white, black, and a ground wire as well. So pretty cut and dry? Switch to new outlet and switch to 4 prong plug?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
That is some old wire! If you can upgrade the wiring to add the neutral I would do that as well.
@anthonydelgrosso6518
@anthonydelgrosso6518 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff that’s what I said haha. White is neutral Correct? Because white is there. Along with black, red, and the bare ground.
@Mr.Revere
@Mr.Revere 7 месяцев назад
I only have the ground the black and the white, but not the red,can anyone please tell me what to do in this case?
@Santana_1981
@Santana_1981 3 года назад
I have 3 cables White, black and ground (bare cable) And I don't have the neutral cable What can I do?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
A couple of times we ran all new 6-3 cable from the electrical panel to the range outlet. Typically on 3-wire systems they use red, black and white. Makes me suspicious if you really have 240 there or 120 volts. What year was your house built, and what AC voltage are you measuring across the black and white wires?
@tpcoachfix
@tpcoachfix 2 года назад
Can you just run a separate new ground wire from the service panel to the receptable instead of a whole new cable.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Yes, we have done that before as well, just bought a reel of green insulated stranded ground wire,
@tpcoachfix
@tpcoachfix 2 года назад
What gauge wire? Thank you for your answers.
@smitlag
@smitlag 2 года назад
It doesn't make a lot of sense given your neutral bus and ground (earth connection) are tied together at the electrical panel. Yes the neutral competes the circuit back to the source but at the panel they are at the same potential. You do get better load balancing with a neutral but 3 prong dryers worked for decades.
@AAchurch
@AAchurch 5 лет назад
How would I wire my three wire Miller mig welder to a 4 wire receptacle like that one? Hmm anybody know?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
You should check with Miller for confirmation, but on the welders, you usually have the 2 hot wires and one neutral, which is equivalent to the older 3 prong dryer outlet receptacles. Some guys will just wire them to connect the 2 hot wires of the welder to the 2 hot wires on the dryer outlet, then connect the neutral on the welder to the neutral "L-shaped" hole on the dryer outlet. Then they do not use the 4th wire on the dryer outlet, which is earth ground, still connects to the neutral in breaker panel bus bar anyway.
@AAchurch
@AAchurch 5 лет назад
Instant subscriber with that help, Thank you! Double thumbs up,
@carlp3602
@carlp3602 5 лет назад
Thanks for the video. I really appreciate it and you did a perfect job explaining everything.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 5 лет назад
@@carlp3602 Awesome, I'm glad you liked our video converting 3 wire to 4 wire!
@thomasmarable6818
@thomasmarable6818 4 года назад
Jeffostroff must 240 volt welders don't require a neutral just 2 hots and the grounding conductor. If you come out of a sub panel neutrals and ground are separate. And by not using the grounding conductor could cause problems. Always check the equipment on what's required. Never leave the grounding conductor unused.
@eliezerbrito301
@eliezerbrito301 2 года назад
So question can you just change the wire instead of the wall socket ?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
No to convert to 4 wire you need a 4 hole socket
@godfreyappliance5585
@godfreyappliance5585 4 года назад
Does you no good to change the outlet unless you change the service panel in the home. The new service panels in home have a dedicated ground and a dedicated neutral
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
Most of the outlets we have replaced the house already has a panel with dedicated ground and dedicated neutral, and they are connected other inside the electrical panel. but most of our properties were built in the 1980s, the electrical panel is ready for it, but since it was pre-1996, none of them ever have 4 wire outlets. These types of properties make it easy for us to convert. Sometimes we just run a new ground from the electrical box to the dryer outlet, but mostly it's already in the box.
@carloslindo11
@carloslindo11 3 года назад
Just wondering how you will have a neutral without a wire
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
You will have to run a separate neutral if you want one. We've had to run grounds before, not a big deal.
@ytrbro1041
@ytrbro1041 6 лет назад
"the ground" is actually the copper wire, the white is neutral.
@nc3826
@nc3826 4 года назад
they all r copper wires... lol... and actually the ground is this case is uninsulated copper wire, but sometimes it's green... while the white one was more accurately referred to as the common wire....
@ytrbro1041
@ytrbro1041 4 года назад
@@nc3826 exposed copper wire in the box is the ground, white neutral, black hot, 2 blacks 120v a peace, for a 240 circuit.
@nc3826
@nc3826 4 года назад
and the white wire is still more accurately called the "common" not the neutral... but call it "peace" if it makes your feel better...
@ytrbro1041
@ytrbro1041 4 года назад
@@nc3826 buddy put the crack pipe down, not sure what the wild hair up your a**s is about, but really dont care, kick rocks! btw "peace" "peace" "peace" "peace""peace" "peace""peace" "peace"😂😂😂😂
@nc3826
@nc3826 4 года назад
@@ytrbro1041 good luck getting a "piece".... instead of ranting about your crack pipe and other BS your hallucinating about 😂😂😂😂
@pieceofparadise9338
@pieceofparadise9338 3 года назад
“Volt alert” aka “widow maker”
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 3 года назад
It's funny the world is made up of jokers like you who've never used any of these tools that you're trashing they work and they work quite well I've never seen a failure with it I always test it on a known outlet 1st and it works. And if you're that scared you can always whip out the digital multi meter which I carry in my bag as well
@pieceofparadise9338
@pieceofparadise9338 3 года назад
@@jeffostroff I carry one of these everyday douche. It’s just another name that a lot of people use. Get over yourself.
@chrisstephensmiley4629
@chrisstephensmiley4629 7 месяцев назад
Looking for this but with no ground in my old 3 wire plug!!! 😢
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 6 месяцев назад
Sometimes we run a separate ground wire from the electrical panel, across the attic and kitchen ceiling and down the wall to get that 4th wire.
@tier3rd375
@tier3rd375 4 года назад
Correction: The red and black wires are 180 degrees out of phase to get 240 volts. If they were 120 degrees out of phase the resulting voltage would be 208 volts.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
You are correct
@smitlag
@smitlag 2 года назад
Which would be the case on a three phase system ie the 120° phase differential, which you don't have on residential wiring.
@PaintballWillis
@PaintballWillis 4 года назад
My 3 hole outlet only has 2 electrical wires and a ground, there's no third wire. Is there an easy solution for that?
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
A few times over the last few years, we either re-ran wire for stove, but never had to with a dryer. If your house has the safety ground, you can run one from the electrical panel, which we have had to do before. OR....If your dryer outlet box is metal and you have metal conduit, find out if they grounded your metal conduit in the house. If they did, you can just tape a pigtail ground wire to the screw hole on the dryer outlet metal box. That would be your 4th wire now.
@zilfondel
@zilfondel 4 года назад
Sorry, you have to buy a new house.
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 3 года назад
So you have red, black, white. All you need is to have a ground wire.
@danammon1273
@danammon1273 3 года назад
I have a black wire a white wire and a bare copper wire. How do I figure this out?
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 3 года назад
Not to much to figure. Black is power white is neutral, bare is ground
@robertwhite2947
@robertwhite2947 Год назад
What happens to dryer if not wired right
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff Год назад
That depends on which way you wire it as long as the black and the red wires go where they are supposed to and the white wire goes to the chassie in the case of the old 3 wire system, you should be OK.. But don't put either the black wire or the red wire where the white wire should go or you will energize the chassie and people can get electriculated.
@Dextermorga
@Dextermorga 2 года назад
Wera screwdrivers for life
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
I use also the Milwaukee insulated drivers
@WilTimesTheBigScreen
@WilTimesTheBigScreen 2 года назад
The outlet says white and green on the connectors , you dont have a green plug, it would've been nice if you had shows exactly what you plugged up to what
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 2 года назад
Next video we will do this
@dogpoochogenius
@dogpoochogenius 4 года назад
I have a 4 wires 3-10 for 220 dryer, can I connect outlet 110 about 1 food away, to the same box and the same wires, using one wire the red or the black for positive and negative to white. Can you please let me know or anybody else can you advise me on that, thank you. I like to do it in the right way by the code.
@jeffostroff
@jeffostroff 4 года назад
That is not allowed by code. The dryer has to be separate from others, must be on its own dedicated circuit.
@dogpoochogenius
@dogpoochogenius 4 года назад
jeffostroff thank you for the information I truly appreciate
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 4 года назад
Genius Dog Poocho Although the answer no is correct, the real reason is, you cannot connect a 15 or 20 amp receptacle on a 30 amp branch circuit.
@dogpoochogenius
@dogpoochogenius 4 года назад
Kevin Coop thank you so much for answer to my question
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 4 года назад
Genius Dog Poocho No problem.
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