@@orishaphotos481 yep ... and I still think I'm about twenty six .... strange thing is that riding bikes seems to slow down the aging process .... that's my story and I'm sticking to it ...
I watched this video years ago when I had my harley but after buying my 300 remembering his advice has made me very confident and fast when cornering his advise could save so many people with bigger bikes that are afraid of leaning or have run off the road or fell over while turning due to bad form
Ian Davies he’s amazing. First off a really nice guy and clear instruction. I watched the unemployable documentary and I swear his story was fucking heart breaking. But it taught me a lot about adversity and strength of character. His legacy is teaching.
I saw that and it was a tear jerker, I was shocked how the racing world had dropped him even though he still has so much to give and wants to work, he is a top bloke.
@@aliray1165 Il certainly look this up. iv issues sometimes where i lock up on handlebars, my hand having all the weight on a downward turn...halfway thru the vid and hes pointed out the obvious mistake im makin...great stuff.
ive taken so many falls on the mini track of my hobby racing (50cc) been asking a lot about cornering with no clear explanation. I know that you guys are talking totally different class of heavy bikes, but what a nice principles explained!
+Colin Morgan (Trickshot72) What's wrong with offering both? And why is it the manufacturer's responsibility? If you are doing something that has higher risk than other pursuits, it is your own responsibility to make sure you're doing it safely.
Ziggy Sheppard I didn't say it is the manufacturers responsibility, but if they have enough interest in rider safety to offer ABS, then why not offer training, as this would prevent more crashes. Prevention being better than cure.
To address everyone's comments Money is the the excuse or answer. Being smart is. The first thing most riders do after buying there bike is spend more money on modifications on making the bike go faster instead of spending half of that on making them ride better. If most people put the money into riding schools or advanced riding courses than you will increase your skill, become a safer rider, and actually lower your insurance rates.
@James Sowin - Leaning while up against the tank usually happens just before, during and after hard braking into a slow corner. In contrast, leaning while back in the seat (away from tank) is usually done in fast corners when little or no braking is needed. We don't want to be too far back in the seat under hard braking into a slow corner, this may result in a front end low side because the front end of the bike may not be under enough load. The body up against the tank, in a hard braking slow corner, compresses the suspension and increases front tire mechanical grip because the body weight slightly flattens the front tire, thus increases the contact patch onto the pavement. The trade off is the bike will not steer very well during hard braking. As they say, nothing is free.
Free play in this discussion means the ability of the throttle to rotate for and aft without altering the power. My original throttle was without any freeplay. I read you can losen the throttle cable to provide 3/32" or 1/4" free play to eliminate bump induced abrupt throttle changes. I tried this while riding on the bumpy back roads of Long Island I was able to ride without the engine abruptly changing speed every time I hit a rough bump. This enhanced my control over the motorcycle.
I'm gonna try that. I was riding in some very strong cross wind gusts and had to keep very light on the bars and hold myself in place with my knees on the tank just to maintain control. If you're stiff-armed the wind moves your upper body and causes steering inputs you don't want. Same basic idea.
Exactly. I have ridden bigger bikes, but currently I am still on my YZF R125 (with a few mods). Its not all about blasting off in straight line with 1000cc's under your arse. 90MPH from a light and well balanced 125 is awesome fun plus its more than enough power for cornering and also a decent sized bike to learn how to develop my skills and be a decent rider. Some people are just show offs. And I've done 130. That's my max and was on an almost straight dual carriageway. Nothing to boast about.
yeah I'm serious there. You're homing your skills on the samller bike and this is the correct way to do it. You're postining yourself to really be able to handle these bikes. I started quite late you see so I jumped straight on the 600
This is a great tool... your weak points can be dissected in real time. But at the end of the day it all still depends on your ability to apply instructions.
Yeah the tire size has a huge effect on your confidence when leaning. I started on a CBR 600RR and was confident of doing it within days. This isn't a reflection on me tho. It's a reflection on how well these modern bikes are built. I can almost gurantee that you'd feel the same if you had the 180/190 rear Due to riding a 125, If you brought a 600/750/1000cc bike now...you'd think it was easy to get your knee down mate
Superbike School is REALLY good. They are a little pricey but definitely worth the money. You can also check for a national MC organization that has classes for your skill level and usually they are a little less pricey so they fill up fast. If you don't have the basics down you need a class. After a class you realize how little you know and want to take the next level class. It's so much fun. :) Cheers and good luck.
Cool vid dude...thats a nice set-up they have there for a quick lesson on weight and body position. Need to check out some shows in the U.S. and see if they have a simulator like that.
My question: while braking before corner, should you sit one fist away from your tank or push yourself more to the rear part of the seat or have a contact with tank?
very informative.....will be trying this method to increase my confidence.... just I feel very unstable when cornering...I am 240 lbs......ride a zx9......propeer position will be key I imagine.......thanks
Just a matter of changing the hydraulics on that prototype to servo motors so that the transition is smoother, and have the dip directly related to how hard the rider turns. Probably a bit of tweaking in the programming of it as well.. Pretty cool though!
yes but when you twist the throttle from the closed position, you take up the slack in the cable before the intake actually opens. the free play comes from the fact that the throttle can be twisted without opening the intake. Since you want to use the word "throttle" for the control and not for the intake throttle, that actually blocks airflow to the engine
@DonZaloog88 The clutch does not go up and down, the clutch is the lever which you pull in and out. The gears or transmission are what you click up and down :)
Too bad the recording stops at that point where he's sitting to the front in the corner. Was curious about his findings about this position.I now realise that I'm always sitting close to the tank when seeing this video. It just feels comfortable since I can let go sme pressure on my arms and ellbows this way. Or even bend them slightly.
As you progressively apply your front brake it exponentially increases grip on the front wheel ,as you corner,the inertial force trying to fling you off the road transfers into pressure on the front hoop equalling more grip,unless you are sporting ABS it is your job as a biker to know the tolerances of your own bike,over braking on a bend can result in wash out of the front or partial washout resulting in a highside which flings you unceremoniously from your machine ;-)
PS: I've been riding for about 10 years so I'm fairly experienced. I've owned various sports bikes and have been a courier in London. A few weeks ago I slipped on a cold tire. I was stupid and temporarily forgot how torqy my bike is. This is a simple mistake that I had made after all this time just beacuse of a lapse in concentration. It was literally 1/16th too much throttle and it cost me allot. It's not so bad for the 600 class.
"go 55 mph on your r-1 and try to go left by pointing the front wheel to the left." Quite a few riders do just that, every time they ride, and get through corners just fine. The problem is when they try to take the same corner following behind a rider who countersteers properly. But it does seem to work as long as the rider obeys the posted speeds for turns.
They cut off the point he was going to make about riding up on the tank...dammit really wanted to hear that info. Otherwise wonderful video. Thank you for posting!
It's designed to teach correct body position for cornering and braking (which it and the instructor do well IMHO), not how to actually corner and brake. The stability that comes from locking in with your knees and being light on the bars and properly positioned is fundamental to good control on track or street.
moving back on the seat gives u better leverage at the knee, but not move too far as u want to be reaching the ridge of the tank as support for the knee If u are right close to the tank, u dont have leverage on ur knee, as u are squeezing with the inside tigh. spine in line with the bike, or even slightly to the inside
Actually it doesn't happen automatically. Gyroscopic action forces the wheel to turn in, not out, as you lean over into the turn. You do have to consciously countersteer to do it properly.
you'll be surprised about the amount of people that do not know what counter steering does lol practice it on a bike (pedal) to get the hang of it even though im a year late on this lol
@Smurfacation im not sure if theres a video from that guy, but check out "a twist of the wrist 2" from keith code. Its very useful and youll learn a lot. A good way to help notice countersteer, is by riding without your left hand. When safe to do so, try turning your bike in either direction using only one hand, and youll notice that your pushing the opposite way. This helped me understand countersteering a bit more.
@evosmybitch very true, and also the motion is really jerky and does nothing to simulate the act of tipping into a corner. The fact that you are just dangling there and not actually going around a corner means that your weight force is straight down instead of inline with the bike. This makes it much harder to hold yourself in position, good workout for the leg muscles though!
@XxAtomic646xX Not sure if anyone has replied to your question as of yet, but, the rear brake on a sports bike is on the right side - somewhat like a lever, for the foot. You can only push it down in order to apply the brakes to the rear tire. The clutch is on the left side, also a little lever you either pull up, or push down.
The easy way is to set the throttle with about 5mm (1/4") of free slack. So when you hit a bump the throttle does not change. position if your hand moves up or down.
I wonder if this works the same when I ride lying on my massive tank bag. I guess I'd still have to use more leg power to keep the weight off the bars in the corners when I shift off of it.
Its called counter steering. When u turn the bars to one side, u break the bikes balance, making it lean to the opposite side. After that, to hold your angle during the corner, u have to steer to the other side (point the wheel to the corner) and control your throttle. If you want to tight your turn, u have to steer to the outside of i, and vice-versa. Remembering that... all these movements are very delicated. In the video they are exagerated, A LOT.
No matter what you ride, how you ride, or how long you've been riding your supposed to not have a death grip on the bars and your weight shouldn't be on them. Don't have to go to a school to practice doing that, you can learn it on your own so long as you remember that you should be light on the bars when you ride.
You think the riding position changes at 250km/h for street as compared to a track? try stiff arming at those speeds, hit a corner, and stare at oncoming traffic, see where you end up.
"Believe me...1/16th of the throttle too much and you will whipe. Espeically when you start chipping these bikes." that's true with any bike of any power level
"acutally that's not quite true, ,you have two cables on a bike, one that opens the throttle and another that closes the throttle. To close the throttle you have to actually twist the throttle handle backwards. The free play is the difference between when the open-throttle cable starts to open the throttle-body (for lack of a better phrase) and when the close-throttle cable begins to close the throttle-body. So, even if you have the throttle halfway open say, the free-play still matters."
Well that escalated quickly. Well at any rate, i might over take you next time im out on track, and just to test you do you even know what county Donington is in,and what's the name of the airport just next to it ?? :D ? I mean if you live next to it.
BTW when I wrote that "free play means the ability of the throttle to rotate fore and aft without affecting the power", to be sure this means it enables the throttle to move open or to close a little bit without actually changing the power, like when you hit a large bump. I was not implying that the throttle no longer works to alter the power when you delibertly wish to do so.
Just as the natural inclination is to let the bike drop down below you, not to get below the bike. If good technique happened "automatically" and "naturally" then you wouldn't have so many people wrecking their bikes in turns.
PS: I know this guy at work the complete opposite to you. He rode a 13 Bhp Yam on a CBT125 when I started the company. He is a big strong dude so I let him have a little go on my litre in the car park. 6 weeks later this guy had his full license and went and brought an R6. He sais it's one of the best decisions he's made and this was why I let him have ago on my bike. Your insurance will come down but like you say...petrol isn't cheap. This is the one factor which sucks.
@pacrat90 Now you confused me, LOL ^^ I think we're trying to say the same thing though. Brakes = Right Side of the bike :) Clutch/Gear shifting = Left Side of the bike :)
@daonendonli look at the way he stretch his arms holding the handlebars, that's the way to break your elbows in a sudden stop... i think he rides a motorcycle though, but those of 100-150ccs
this could be done easily even with a mechanical linkage as long as you can select one out of a set of cams for the throttle takekup. Just like changing gears on a bicycle.
After given further thought to your comment i must say that you're right. If a beginner with no experience on a bike starts thinking that he has to pull that hard on a handlebar to countersteer, then i hope i'm not there to see the results. But i thought that you were reffering to the average rider not noobies on 600cc's (wich i think is stupid enough already)...
