I've been riding for 57 years, I raced off-road and street. I tried to explain this exact thing to someone on another video that scolded me saying, it's physics, and there is only one way navigate a turn. I told him that simple countersteering is not always sufficient. It takes multiple techniques to get through a corner correctly, efficiently and safely. Look where you want to go, the path you want to take. Trail Braking, weight transfer forward on the bike to load the front suspension for Braking. Countersteer, lean etc. More than one way to navigate a corner, but there is only one correct way.
Wow, this is interesting. I've always heard it's the other way around. I used to ride the way he explains it at the beginning. I guess I'll have to give it a try again. Cheers!
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After testing his suggestions for a day I can confirm that I've been faster and felt safer but my lower body is exhausted now. Probably it's the case because I tried to get even more stabalization from my lower body than from my upper. Just need to get used to it and then it will be fine. Thanks for great tips Troy.
Similar thing here. Had to back off and go back to some of what I had been doing before just to keep from being in pain. But I did feel a lot more confident, secure on the bike, and stopped scraping toes.
When you preposition and brake for a turn, your inner leg is in optimum position. It feels awesome. You'd think you should move up on the tank from a straight (when I was very new I was doing this) but because of the braking force you move up. Just as when you go under power for straights your body is in correct position because it got thrown back. If you ride like this you will enjoy riding more and it's safer because it becomes crazy predictable and natural in feeling.
I've always ridden with the heal hooked into the pegs....started when I was a kid on a mx bike so I'm sure it's transferred over from there. It all takes practice, patience and to stay within your riding skill limits! With the correct technique and keeping your movements smooth you will become faster and safer. That's my theory anyway....have u ever noticed when you try and push over your limit, your not riding the bike, the bike is riding YOU! stay safe guys and enjoy😏
great advices ..but, what if rider is high or have long arms? s1000rr have small distance between handlebars and back of tank. .this is problem for me for example.
well that just changed everything. I've noticed more and more this season that GP riders are on heels most of the time if not all of the time this explains why
the_whisperer as Troy says here every time you move from toe to heel your body shifts. it means you can upset the bike more and cause a tank slapper. mid corner you may loose grip entirely
I watched this couple of times, and just taking guess here but I think he was pressing the point of stability using mid foot on peg in straightaways, and quick turns (hence foot possibly slipping off) while making it less tired legs, etc.
He makes a lot of good sense, but it isn't new. This is very similar to what is taught at Stay Upright Level 2 cornering and braking course for quite a number of years.
Ray van den Bosch LOL...it's what I was taught in 1978!! Seriously. There's been so much bad instruction given over the years, and also too much detail, a lot of it is pretty simple, and professional racers are just extremely good at it. The core of your body is the key...through the hips & waist, that's where your strength is. To use those muscles, you've got to have your feet positioned as Troy shows. Get the feet right, your hips/waist are right, you can use strong muscles to reposition, keeping light hands...roll off throttle smoothly, roll on throttle smoothly to keep suspension in the central sweet spot. It's not complex in terms of theory, you've just got to do it correctly and fluidly
Hey i think everyone should go to riding school who buys a new production race bike...when i started racing i got a little help frim friends an some one gave me keith codes book which pribably saved my life....
See When you transitions from left to right into a chicane. Say your leaning left dont you use your opposite knee to push on the tank so it pulls you over to other side of the seat by gliding over instead of lifting your ass off the seat?
if you *glide* you create friction..this transfers to the chassis as movement....and on a race bike,you have a grippy seat foam,not that slippery shit you get on road bikes....
Did you get that from super bike school video? Troy's demonstration is exaggerated. But if you every look at the butt cam on GP they stand up a little to flick over. Takes a fraction of a second, you ain't gonna be grabby grabby on the handle bars because you lost contact for a second and feel unstable. Especially when you instigated it. Also newton's law for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But force your thy against the tank to flick you over, you essentially flick the tank in the opposite direction. (at a much higher centre of gravity area) doing it with your feet, yes you are still moving weight across but the place of application is lower (on pegs) so more stable. finally the gracilis muscle used to close your legs are tiny in comparison to the muscles to stand up and over a lap. constantly closing your legs to shift your weight will be Far more tiring. Try it yourself. Sit on your bike and flick yourself left to right by sliding technique. Your legs get tired real fast.
Yep, he sure did, and he'd know having won 2 x WSBK championships :-) If you look at the foot position of most MotoGP and WSBK riders they position their feet the same way. There's a RU-vid Video of Jack Miller talking about foot position and it's identical to what Troy teachers here.
what a ripoff, the guy isn't actually riding, the bike's engine isn't running... he doesn't even know how to stand upright on the bike, you can clearly see the bike is held upright with these things on the front AND back, DON'T YOU ALL SEE IT?
