How to Corner Stupid Fast on your MTB (with NO fear) 

The paul the punter one with kasper Woolley is really good.

@@jackshuttleworth6570 Yeah anything he or Kyle & April creates is always really helpful!

Great video. Random q. What are those clear riding glasses you got?

I agree with recommendations on those Paul the Punter and Kyle and April’s videos. Please also add Fluidride… absolutely top notch. This Loam Wolf video seals the deal!

@@WildMidwest1 Agreed! Those fluidride videos were a lucky find, I've learned so much! They break each skill down in a way that really makes sense

Raquet / club / bat sports can do with a variant of that too. "Without the why we're all just out on the court making weird motions after the ball/puck/shuttlecock is already on its way for no reason" (re: follow-through).

Same here 🤣🤣🤣

Same.

Don't you mean your elbow, your knee, your neck, and your back, from that last time you wipped out making funny shapes for no reason, and it didn't work?

I busted out laughing with this one hahaha

Same here

Same here wow I can corner with so much more confidence. It’s crazy

Mine tooooooooo

I learned this when I was 8 years old riding my BMX bike. It's mind blowing that a "coach" wouldn't just instinctively know this stuff from hundreds of hours on the bike.

@@CANNABISfreedomNOtaxeswhen you spend so much of your life riding, it can be difficult to find the words to break down what has become muscle memory

@@MartianMoon yeah I guess my comment was a little snarky. I should learn to be a little nicer.

@@CANNABISfreedomNOtaxesMost (perhaps all?) of us could probably use some of that, but few admit it. Good on you for being able to self reflect!

@@CANNABISfreedomNOtaxeslol you a good dude maan

Exactly

I’m an engineering student and I can completely relate

Another engineer... I agree completely. The why is more important than the how for me.

I’m exactly the same way in software.

@@nugzila4170 Thank God. Good to know that it’s a thing. By the way, watch the cherno’s c++ tutorial. It’s so intuitive

Glad it was helpful!

YES!!! This is applies to motorcycles even more, including "transitioning roadie" syndrome (leaning the wrong way or staying neutral).

that's cause road bikes don't turn

On the road your tires tipically grip to the road. The tire moves out of the center to stay in contact with the road (as long as there is no bumps or potholes). When you move into dirt/gravel it's a whole different game, you have to keep in mind that your tires will stay put and you really need those cornering lugs to reduce the amount of cornering skidding. And just keep in mind that with all the dirt and bumps your bike is bound to skid. You have to get used to the amount of "play" your tires give you and you have to adjust your body position to accommodate for a higher range of motion/possibilities unlike the rigid position you take while on the road where if you skid you fall and game over. Riding on dirt/gravel is like skiing. You have to get used to it.

I am in the same position as you. I used to ride racers and I transitioned to MTB. Best change I’ve ever made in my cycling career. Now I need to get good 😂

Counter steering is very effective

Davis Phinney espoused this decades ago!!!

What I've learned is not enough MTBers ride dirt bikes or motorcycles 😅 But yeah, the slacker head angles and longer wheelbases on modern MTBs has opened the door for less turning and more leaning to get around corners. Since this is a more recent development among MTBs, it's really not surprising that a lot of guys haven't adapted yet, especially if they've been riding for awhile. Once you get your head around the physics of these new dimensions, it's easier to apply new riding techniques.

This is the answer that the video doesn’t give. No one takes the time to actually figure it out. Mtb is still new but moto has some science behind it.

This technique is also called counterfeiting in the baking world. The goal is to bake muffins wile your cat is making biscuits on your 29er. Go for the bunny hop. If you're still reading this then congratulations..

Nice!

This comment made me watch this

This is so badass!

Coming from a dirtbike background racing single track cross country (but who has never been on a mountain bike) I'm sitting through the ad to see if he's going to mention weighting the outside footpeg, or in this case, pedal. Whenever you turn on a dirtbike, you want most of the weight on the front wheel and the footpeg on the outside of the turn. Explanation: putting weight on the outside of the bike during a turn creates torque that pushes the wheels INTO the ground. Putting weight on the inside footpeg during a turn creates torque that tries to lift the wheels OFF the ground! Edit: it translates to mountain bikes! Pointing your knees in the direction you want to go makes perfect sense, and this is something that only happens on bicycles, since our footpegs on dirtbikes don't move, but it makes sense. Notice the way this feels the most comfortable, is with your outside leg (with respect to the turn) straight, and your inner leg bent. This "makes room for the bike frame to lean" as he says. It also naturally puts your weight on the straight leg. Think the captain Morgan pose. All your weight is on your straight leg. This allows you to point your knees where you want to go WHILE ALSO making room for the frame. There is still room to improve. Even having the inner leg bent and the outer leg straight, make a conscious effort to put as much of your weight on the straight leg as possible. If you shift your weight inside, you'll notice the back end slide out in a bad way, not in the "fun and controllable" way this guy was talking about right at the end of the clip! As you begin to put more and more weight on the outer pedal in your turns, you may slide out slightly as you get FASTER, but you'll always feel in control and it is quite fun, as he says!

@@cyleleghorn246 The point is simply leaning the bike instead of the body achieves most of what you mention anyway. Your outside pedal is going to get all the pressure by default, which is the beauty of it. That list of do's and don'ts is covered in other cornering videos which complicates the tutorial.

Why

@@bobohunter1776 why are you asking him why

@@heteroerectus why are you asking him why he's asking why

@@kylemurphy4525 Why are you asking him why he's asking the other guy why he's asking why?

@Anthony Narvaez why are you asking this guy why he's asking him why he's asking the other guy why he's asking why?

Jules - this guy below does (Lee Likes Bikes). I find that Lee and the Loam Ranger are telling the same story on cornering. Lee shows drills you can perform in a parking lot. What lee adds to it is what the Loam Ranger leaves out: dropping your weight and “making yourself heavier” at the crucial point of the turn. Check it out. It should “click” as well: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GFKPtEzE4xw.html

Right around 3 minutes he talks about how to “weight and unweight” your bike on a corner. Your traction is proportional to its downward weight. It’s a pumping motion.

Wow that’s fantastic! Thanks for coming back to the vid and sharing.

I’m here too

Try the pnw dropper post With air spring/suspension. Really appreciate the shock absorption!

That's an awesome way to explain it to beginners! Probably be a lot better to tell my fiance this trail-side than me rambling about body position and CoG for 5 minutes

Exactly. Wearing knee pads with protection on the sides helps, you will push the bike a bit farther and will not be afraid of hiting the frame.

KOM?

@@jakobannerdal3709 King of the Mountain - a STRAVA thing where it shows that you got rank1 on a segment.

@@jakobannerdal3709 "KOM" means "Killer Oven Mitts"

@@friendlyneighbourhoodmtb7961 only for paid subscribers I guess.

@@sathyaki I don't think so, but I wouldn't know since I'm not close to claiming one.

I’m not a mountain rider, but body positioning is key for motorcycles… this seems to be opposite of my riding style on a bike. But you’re just playing with the centrifugal force and using the valuable contact patch of the tire. For a motorcycle I try to lean my body so the middle Of the tire is contacted as much as possible. This you want that outside to grab, so lean the bike and then use your weight forward or back depending on tight or fast corners. 2 wheels is fun either way 😂😂

Do you find more issues if too soft or too firm? I run 22ish, 2.6in, 160lbs

It's great that schools have mtb teams.

That’s awesome to hear!

How did it go my man? I rode for a few years and I'm just getting back into it, realizing now that my issues before were partly bike-too-small and partly lack of skill. Weather's looking beautiful now so I'm hoping to get out there

Yes - and I commented above: he actually makes a mistake. You should put your weight forward, but on the outside of the bike, not the inside. That will stop you washing out as it stops the tyre sliding out even more.

In addition to the weight shift, bringing your elbow out also likely pointed the front tire more inwards along the turn. Going into a corner with your outer elbow tucked yields more likelihood of pulling back on the bar, which turns the wheel more straight or outwards of the turn. Combine with outer elbow tuck meaning more weight towards the pedals (ie, off the bars, which means off the front wheels, which means less friction on the directional wheel) equates to a slide/drift.

@@theoriginalstoney hey - how much of your weight forward? 30%? I try to ride with a light grip and weight over my bottom bracket - and it seems need to bring some additional body weight onto the bars for cornering?

@@majic2802 Difficult to put a % on it, but I would say I prefer forward because it pushes the front wheel into the ground. I can tolerate a back wheel sliding out, but I will immediately wipe out if the front wheel slides. And, as mentioned, I push on the outside of the front wheel. If I exaggerate the move, I'm even partly pulling the inside handlebar up to try to rotate the front wheel through the ground, really hammering it into the dirt to keep the grip. So while I don't disagree with the video - just leaning over won't really help. Putting weight on the inside of the front wheel will still wash out. You need to combine that with pushing on the outside of the handlebar. Leaning forward helps do that even more.

@@theoriginalstoney this! Just leaning feels sketchy, too "soft" (I don't know how else to describe), pushing the outside make it feels way more consistent

Same!!

Kendall-Weed is one of the most freakishly talented riders on the planet. He doesn't race anymore, he doesn't do freestyle or rampage or any of that, but just watch him ride. No one plays with natural trails so... naturally.

@@paulwintermute1495 he's just so damn good. Love his style.

Moto cornering helps so much with mtb. All of this came naturally. Lean it, weight the outside peg.

my dad used to do motocross when I was a kid. I got into MTB because I think it's a bit of a safer and cheaper alternative, but it never came to my mind that you can apply the same cornering techniques as with a motocross bike.

Too bad you can’t Ronnie Mac it and drag your foot behind 🤣. I still do it sometimes, I put out my foot when going into a turn

Absolutely! I'm just a casual that only rides around town on 26/29" but picked it up from some bike safety thing years ago that you should be able to keep your body going in a straight line while "slaloming" your bike around concrete expansion joints. It's a part of defensive riding that can help riders avoid collisions.

That’s awesome to hear! Funny enough, I’m the same way - much more comfy turning left than right 😂

Same here on the left/right natural issue.

@@TheLoamRanger I think it depends if you are left/right dominant. I'm a lefty and its the opposite for me...

@@TheLoamRanger Me too. After watching your video (causing my own additional epiphany about skids in the parking lot as applied to cornering), I practised more on my "braking skids" in the parking lot and focused on my weak side (right side) before taking the light bulb learnings from your video on to corners out on the trails.

@@TheLoamRanger It's easier to get your lead foot leg out of the way of the bike lean. You have to contort more if your rear leg is on the inside. IOW: left turn, left foot forward, lean bike to left; right turn right foot forward, lean bike to right. BTW - you should be able to do any maneuver with either leg forward. It takes just a little practice.

road cycling is for organ donors.

Nice explanation. It’s funny that skiing came naturally to me but I was much more cautious on the trails when I first started riding. Re-enacting a scene from the forest moon of Endor is always a fear for MTB riders and I’ve done it plenty of times.

So when do I pizza and when do I French fry. 🤣

Absolutely! What a race run.

Right?? What that guy does to a bike is nuts. He uses it like a weapon on the trails lol.

I agree with the above. I left mountain biking about 20 years ago and am just trying to get back in to it. I'm 38 now, quit all the "extreme sports" around age 20. I find that while the legs and the cardio aren't there, the mind, seeing the lines, that technical skill is still right there. This video made me kinda think, "well, yeah duh" and I even thought about like moto gp - road motorbikes - what little tread they have is all on the outer edge, and yeah... they know how to move their knees..." lol.