How to Create the Best Gamecube Controller for SSBM 

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@@hahahalala-i1x why did i laugh at this reply?

Herr Doktorr Hax$ has a PhD in Smash

@@ugotvectored1628 bro does hax have the most chad fan base of all time

@@daxmoney5011 idk

After the kick start cancel of the panda controller, this would be our best bet

@@Mach7tequila phob is better than PG controller imo

@@calebrobinson6406 I guess it's time I start doing some more research

@@Mach7tequila the major thing is the analog stick accuracy and the ability to callibrate the sticks. Even with UCF the oem controllers I used would miss dashes, shield drops, not to mention snapback. Phob software includes a snapback filter for both x and y.

Can older phob motherboard be upadted to get the things that the 2.0 motherboard has in terms of functionality/software side?

the goat

pls go to more tourneys I miss ur combos :(

@@RedBarchettaSSBM puff

Forrest 😍

@@jop3249 buff

Also soft L cancel is better for the hands anyways imo

doesn't the phob have programmable notches? if things drift you could just recalibrate

@@AndyHope970 i forgot about that, it allows for you to callibrate notches

You also forgot that they use a t3 Stick box type. On gc controller they're pretty rare but on nunchucks they're abundant.. Therefore you can have a perfect replacement for peanuts whenever you feel like it.

Skel goat

Agreed, the idea of notches is to consistently hit angles and remove the octagonal restrictions. The boxx by definition does this same thing. Consistent angles with intentional inputs. That’s the only thing I really disagree on.

@@Broseidon132 Sadly I think hax might be hurting the case for 1.03 by advocating for banning notches

@@fresca4008 - yeah, I just think it is out of place compared to his argument for 1.03, mouse click z, and phobs. Like there cannot be any regulation on notches since the people who want the mod will do it themselves or pay for it regardless. There’s no way a controller check would be permitted to ban the use of notches on a controller.

i think notches should be done at a software level. but the community wont agree with me for like 10 years after the last gcc shell is dust.

It should be done at a software level tho. Notches on gamecube controllers with other mods equates to hundreds of dollars just to play the game without being at a disadvantage. If this can be done at a software level it could increase the durability of the GameCube controller while also being more affordable.

@@Rassmaster also it would give controller Parady between gcc and xbox ds5 conches

I’m a claw gripper when I play on gcc too. It’s unergonomic but it’s how I learned to play before I got a b0xx. The problem with z jump is that it makes R tough to press

@@yelv I use my middle finger to press R. I use R for wavedash and shield (L for wavedash OOS). Works for me

I don't think, so. IBDW used to claw but switched to z jump because his hands are huge, so it's easier on his hands. lloD never clawed. Afaik they have the same advantages, so if clawing feels good for you no need to switch. If you feel more comfortable in the standard grip consider switching.

frame 1 n boxx are pretty much the same thing the only difference being is the quality of materials used in building the boxx/frame 1. U can see the difference in the prices as well. Lower prices equals cheaper materials but cheaper materials doesnt mean that its not good. its decent enough to get the job done. think of it like a budget fight stick vs a fully upgraded custom built fight stick. same shit ykwim

yo can someone make stl files of the GCC case so anyone can make a shell does someone have them.

yeah I agree with phob, a perfectly functional and working gamecube controller will always be better. There are advantages to digital ofc, but a *perfect* gamecube controller will always reign supreme. Being able to use all wavedash angles and the ability to easily switch between a tiny wavedash to full length shouldn't be understated. Simply walking forward and jabbing can be a bitch on digital set ups

Digital to analog isn't cheating. The box has limited angles. And a shorter long wavedash. The box has a 30° wavedash where as a GameCube conch with notches is like 13°. As for the automated l-cancel. The inputs are jump, aerial, fastfall, z. He is saying it's automatic because of the inherent analog shield press on the grab button because it is a macro. The controllers are equal but different. Everyone says there broken. But I could argue that yoshi is more broken than the box thanks amsa

@@Indigamesforlife I guess my question is, is digital > analog an instant 0-1.0, or does it simulate a “natural analog press”? Specifically for the boxx’s analog l cancelling button

@@burgerchild it is 0-.996 I think. But 1.03 makes it 1.0 but there is no "travel" time. However button travel time is still there. Hax did a vid.

@@burgerchild also for the l-cancel it is used with z. Z is a macro of light shield and attack. So it's not a good question.

@@burgerchild the box does have a light and mid shield button but not used for l-cancel.

I've always been with hax on the whole polemic stuff but i swear the dark triad jokes always crack me up

Nah just make x or y grab

Yeah make sure that there is no analog press. You could also put in a mechanical keyboard switch if your crafty enough

I use my left as wavedash, shield and right for l-cancel you can use what you want but you can't do all on one as you would be able to in 1.03

No, it's a feature where if you press the trigger fast enough it'll delay the analog trigger output until you stop moving. Move it slowly, and you'll get normal analog shield. Move it quickly, and you'll get digital first every time.

i know its nice when shield works

@@Indigamesforlife I've been in favour of these fixes for some time

@@Lampaluile personally i dont think its enough. i think software notches are an eventuality. when people come from other consoles like Xbox PlayStation and switch, the controllers that they use are better than standard gcc. the only problem is circle gates on all the conches besides gcc. there is no matter on the knotch in that case. making software knotches needed. i want to future proof the game tbh.

haha

A Phob motherboard is like $80 plus labor for a modder

@@reddabos bro I made a box I can make a phob. The goomwave is better than a phob technically and if I want the magic conch I want the best one.

@@reddabos where could one purchase a Phob if they wanted? Having trouble finding someone with them.

@@SupremeBeyonder I kno a guy who makes them if u need :) edit: I think I saw you commenting on a vod of solibattle vs Franz so I'm thinking maybe ur EU? if so I don't think my guy ships outta the US :(

@@SupremeBeyonder ebay is actually a good place. You can find them for like $25

Did the video say that this made L cancels or shielding easier? I don't recall that being said at all. If you're talking about the ADT shielding then yes, you have been affected by it since it's impossible to avoid without removing a spring. There's a separate video on that. Just because you haven't noticed it (like many issues pre-UCF) doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Bro just use your keyboard or diy a box. And listen if melee is too hard for you. you can play street fighter I heard street fighter has a buffer...

You know that top players buy controllers that are just as expensive every few months? Hopefully that stops soon but I don’t think price is a great objection against legality of boxes. In the long run, box controllers tend to be much cheaper if you’re aiming for an actually good controller. Just save up, play on keyboard for now with b0xx AHK.

I get where you’re coming from, but to play it at a casual level or semi-professional level you can get budget controllers for 100 yourself. Or, you can just get a GameCube controller, you won’t be held back that much. Until you want to take a professional career more seriously it will matter. Plus, phob prices top out at around 350-400, that is a very cheap price to pay for a hobbyist. Think about being a guitarist, a good guitar will be 500-600 but if you go cheap it’ll be like 200-300, then you need jack cables, picks, strings, an amp, maybe headphones for your amp if you have neighbours. It’s not hard to save for it, and I’m working class.

@@firstlast-wg2on yeah and I diyed a boxx for like 150 maybe less. Look up Cranes diy vid

300 is a lot? I mean if you take something seriously that's really a normal thing to do, as a musician dropping hundreds of dollars on gear every now and then this is normal. If you're a casual then you're not really playing that often so it doesn't matter

That's not what a macro is. A macro is 1:many ratio of inputs:outputs i.e. 1 input to many outputs.

there will be a black friday sale

You won't be able to play at any tournament running UCF then since that's not vanilla.

@@hounvs I meant gamecube controller my b

@@IAm-zo1bo but you said elsewhere that you want the game as vanilla as possible to avoid a divide. Seems like you're picking and choosing which mods you want.

@@hounvs even I forget my comment how the hell do you know that. Ucf is pretty much the standard and dashback is the one reason that I like it a lot

@@IAm-zo1bo tapped your name and it shows other comments on this channel. UCF is changing pretty much the same things that this mod changes (except the ADT shield thing). Seems very arbitrary and just biased to pick things you're used to when they explicitly aren't vanilla.

You don't have to claw grip the two jump buttons in order to properly utilize c-stick fastfall or fastfall into c-arial while being able to recover. Having Z jump gives you an option that doesn't require changing hand grip to use the C Stick and jump without wasted movement

@@AzureCrux He asked over L/R, not stock X/Y. Hax actually originally was going to include L/R in 1.03 I believe, but he and altimor scrapped that and made it just Z because remapping L/R allows you to bypass the b0xx's wavedash nerf (the nerf angle happens when holding L/R). You should be able to remap the buttons however you want in an ideal world; Z is kind of objectively better though due to requiring less actuation force to press (try short hopping with L/R jump with a 3 frame jump squat character, that will never be consistent ever, even Z jump with stock GCC is awful with 3 frame jump squat).

@@Fireblaze3127 Also by using Z you're keeping both L and R open for some tech that's easier when using both triggers/muscle memory/etc

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@@calebrobinson6406 savage

Lol

That's what I wanna know.