How to DRILL & TAP Hard Jaws | Big Lathe Chuck

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We show how easy it is to drill and tap the hard jaws on a lathe chuck! We've got a new 3 Jaw Chuck for our big Shenyang lathe and need to set it up with bolt on soft brass pads. We do this with all our 3 jaw chucks to make set ups of chrome rods simple and quick. We show the step by step process of drilling and tapping the hard jaws of the chuck and also make up the brass pads that are bolted on to the jaws. This is a quick, easy fix to solve the problem of dropping & searching for shims in the chip tray!
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@hot_wheelz Год назад

Well look here folks, this here is a prime example of the fabled 2nd video in 1 week. Thanks Karen and Kurtis!

@maxcactus7 Год назад

Monday CEE - It's like having TWO Fridays in one week! Great work, Kurtis.

@arkeyethenoo Год назад

That look of exasperation and dispair in the out takes was priceless😂👍👍👍

@d00dEEE Год назад

It's such an obvious quality-of-life improvement that I can't believe chucks don't come like this from the factory...

@valuedhumanoid6574 Год назад

I had one of those highly repetitive jobs where I had to run 50 pieces in a row. I was using loose shims to prevent the jaws from marking up the workpiece. After 30 some parts I forgot to put one of the shims in and of course it scrapped the piece. After that I made my own set of these. Learn as you go!

@vincentwalker2081 Год назад

My computer is hacked

@user-tr2dh4xx6u Год назад

i would have taped that sht on lmao

@jtbrownful Год назад

@@vincentwalker2081can you un hack your computer

@Ottoman83 Год назад

Hey, I know you from Grim Reapers comments!

@tomte47 Год назад

Machining is about being the right kind of lazy :), taking the time to make it as easy for you as possible and you will end up making parts better and faster in the long run.

@MotoRestoFL Год назад

I have a Bison 3 jaw in my little Atlas lathe, really nice chuck but didn’t come with outside jaws (it was on the machine when I bought it). I emailed Bison and they provided me material to figure out which jaws I’d need since my chuck is old and not listed in even their internal documentation. They asked an old timer and he knew which ones they were. Really great company.

@jamiemarshall3070 Год назад

Did you know that none of the filmed segments are sped up. That's just how fast Curtis works 😁

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

this comment is approved as truth, this reply was written by Homeless 🐾

@frankward423 Год назад

Note to staff... keep Curtis away from the Red Bull dispenser.🤣

@ellieprice363 Год назад

He was lucky not to break the tap going that fast. 😎😉😉😉

@67cudaksa34 Год назад

its magic

@paulsharp695 Год назад

I like how the first one takes ages, but as he learns it gets quicker and quicker /s :D . ps, *Kurtis*

@SloppyMechanics Год назад

ah yes, nothing is as exciting as seeing a new upload from CEE

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

cheers mate thanks for watching the channel!

@HolosunGodOfOdin Год назад

Denmah on CEE?! My worlds have collided.

@philho122 Год назад

You say: Thanks for watching! I say: Thanks for filming, editing and uploading! And thanks for sharing tips and tricks! Greetings from Germany

@krisholt Год назад

A quick tip when installing jaws on a scroll chuck, turn the scroll just past the slot for the jaw, put the jaw in the slot and back the scroll up until the jaw falls down. This trick ensures the jaws are in place, and not hanging on a burr or similar.

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

good tip thanks for sharing!

@lqueryvg666 Год назад

OMG - I had to do a double take at my screen and calendar - LOL - WOOHOO - It has been a bad day at work and THIS video just put me back at ease!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

You are so welcome! Hope the rest of your week is better 👍

@Bgoodman6113 Год назад

Bonus content from CEE…it just doesn’t get any better!!! Kurtis and Karen, top notch as always! Also I like seeing things Kurtis does for the shop to do jobs properly and make him more efficient. The guy is just a master at his craft and then you’ve got Karen “Spielberg” putting out masterpieces in her own right!! I’d watch a video a day even on the most trivial thing, just because it’s CEE!! 🤷🏻

@ckamina768 Год назад

I hope you didn’t feel pressured to put out more videos! I have always enjoyed your Friday video early morning with a coffee! That being said, I was pleasantly happy seeing this released and will watch anything you guys put out!

@shopshop144 Год назад

This isn't Friday?!

@Matt-my7pz Год назад

Please don't feel pressure, like I said before, the world of RU-vid will ALWAYS ask for more and consume you until your life is all stress. One video a week is the money spot and plenty enough a burden for you good folk. Don't do more content. In general a RU-vid audience has no skin in the game and although pretend to care about the welfare of the person, there is no connection other than basically clicking and texting. You guys are beauty where you are!

@steveanderson4768 Год назад

It is amazing how the material when you drill it go from the hardened areas to the softened steel of the jar truly does make a huge difference like everything he does when you use your head and you think about it rationally it’s actually quite easy thanks Kurtis

@BruceBoschek Год назад

Frosting on the cake! Karin is sure you put up this video for her as she missed the first viewing of the flame spray video. It gave me a chance to serve her a green apple martini on Monday evening. She was very happy and so was I. I liked watching the carbide end mills digging right through that hard surface. Thanks much for the video. We appreciate every one of them.

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Hi Karin & Bruce, sounds like the perfect way to watch the video. Hope you enjoy the rest of your week 😁

@Hyratel Год назад

a quick project, an hour out of your day for who knows how many hours and patience-points saved from Every Job that needs softjaws, thank you for taking the extra time to get this on camera. your straightforward and up-front explanations of the process and reasons-behind the process make for possibly the most informative "Not meant as tutorial" videos around.

@sky173 Год назад

Thanks for being an inspiration to many of us. Love the videos. Please never stop!

@jasonxd5738 Год назад

Always amazed me to see how many different types of tools you have. Seems like every video you pull out some new manner of tool from who knows where! Myself and I'm sure many others are a little jealous at the amazing workshop you've built up over the years!!

@tinman7551 Год назад

Two videos in one week 😮 what amazing new year content is this !! 🎉❤ Please tell us more about your drift car 🥰

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

All about the drift car in our recent Q&A

@Uli_Krosse Год назад

Everybody, watch this Q&A. There are BRILLIANT photos in there! 😎

@Tiger351 Год назад

Gotta love it when one of your favourite chaanels drops a bonus video, top job and it'll definitely make your life easier than using loose shims all the time.

@jones7399 Год назад

i genuinely believe Kurtis spends more time redoing shots then actual engineering

@markneedham8726 Год назад

...or does he do the "out takes" pretending that is how hard it is....?

@BlueSpark-vy3fd Год назад

Just shows you how fast an expert can get the job done !👍

@legend7ify Год назад

@@markneedham8726

@shawbros Год назад

"then actual engineering" than

@daleburrell6273 Год назад

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?!

@dans_Learning_Curve Год назад

+100 for excellent camera and editing work!

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Thank you very much!

@rhhart13 Год назад

Karen and Kurtis you screwed my week, now I have to rearrange my calendar and switch Monday with Friday! Thanks Alot..... 😀 😃 🙂 🙃

@cda32 Год назад

Love how you say "Only a 630mm chuck" - you could swing my entire lathe in that chuck.

@awemowe2830 Год назад

I really find it amazing that you have a workshop, you do all this work, but you still manage to be so "grounded" and approachable, funny and likable. Both of you. I've never met a mechanic or any "handyman" in my life that hasn't been super annoyed or seemingly fed up with life in general. Love this channel so much. Thanks.

@paulg3336 Год назад

An alternative holding arrangement for soft jaws is to design them as a U shape and on one of the legs bore a hole and epoxy a thin neodymium magnet to hold it on the chuck jaw. If the magnet is close to the thickness of the brass , chips that stick to the magnet can easily be wiped off.

@jamesbuttleman3130 Год назад

Nice project you'll definitely use. Short n' sweet,good camera work,well explained. Always like to see Homie,he's the "top dog" at CEE. Stay safe and well.

@Ghine91 Год назад

The gags you both made at the end of the video are pretty! You looks like to got a real and honest relation, the way Karen help Kurtis to find the right way to explain is literally a love demonstration!

@ESmith-ik8vu Год назад

Although not a machinist myself, I do appreciate your videos. Not only, I should say, because of your obvious skill and approach to the jobs, but also to a very high degree on account of the camerawoman's uncommonly fine work, making yours both interesting and educating to the likes of myself. Thank you very much.

@go06bolts Год назад

Had a really rough day at work today, totally changed my night! Love you guys! Thank you again!

@andrewjameson5918 Год назад

The mill sounds great after the service you did last year. BTW I loved that video.

@adnanalajwadi7589 Год назад

I am from Basra, Iraq - I look forward to see your videos every week on Friday. To enjoy your skills and Karen. Thank you all

@christoph72761 Год назад

Kudos for the video editing of the drill and tap! That not only was the perfect balance of showing the process and saving time but also perfectly seamless. 👍

@caymanchristopher7014 Год назад

Wow what did we do to deserve a Monday video?! Thanks for making my day!🎉

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Hope you enjoyed it!

@Happily_retired Год назад

@@CuttingEdgeEngineering ABSOLUTELY!! Thanks from Florida, USA.

@alisciamarotta3888 Год назад

Second that comment, Ohio (USA)

@toblexson5020 Год назад

That's a great idea. And if you cannot use the bolts for some reason [maybe you're butting the work up against the jaws], then the old method can still be used, because there are just screw holes, no protrusions.

@kevinbrisson3116 Год назад

The bloopers at the end are awesome. Especially since I can relate lol. Enjoy the videos as well!

@weijingburr2392 Год назад

FAAAAAAAANNNNCYYY! Split screen. The production team is really stepping up their efforts. Some of the best shot and edited "Amateur" content on RU-vid.

@jasdunlop9907 Год назад

You Mill sounds a lot smoother after your rebuild well worth it I thought the jaws would be harder

@longlowdog Год назад

Whoah there. There I was having a safety snooze 8pm Monday evening and I woke up to a notification from C.E. My mind thought 'faaaaak it's Friday morning'. Damn near gave me palpitations. Regards from Scotland.

@mariocortes1337 Год назад

It's vary important to have people with this type of skills , so I can learn a lot of different types of techniques, thanks for your videos.

@majorrsoul2466 Год назад

I have to pause it now to show the last minute to the misses. She gets a kick out of it as we all do. Let's go another year 🤙🇦🇺

@ZeroFox1970 Год назад

That was a pleasant surprise. Very interesting. And outtakes hilarious as usual. Was just about to go out and rip the heads of my car. Your vid definitely helped me get motivated it's a good thing I don't have to use my brain as much as you. Cheers

@mikeinfinity2572 Год назад

Was not expecting this video on a monday but damn thank you it was a surprise. Wish we had more but know how it is busy and all. Nice chuck smart shopper. Great ideas with the brass.

@ArmorerUSMC Год назад

Bonus video week!!🤙🏽 was looking forward to this one. Outstanding as always. Thank you

@MajesticDemonLord Год назад

Tis a good day when we have been blessed with bonus CEE content.

@thomasechols8834 Год назад

you two, and the pup, make up for so much bad in the world, glad to see you both being productive.

@AndyFromBeaverton Год назад

Lunchtime watching CCE, PERFECT!

@AlanSprague Год назад

Sweet bonus video! and right at my lunch break as well good times! so I am really curious to know if you can tell the difference in the milling machine now that you have done that massive maintenance job from a few videos back? It seems with so many of the bearings pretty much shot seems like it would be much nicer now.

@ronblack7870 Год назад

the bearings were not shot. the noise comes from the straight cut gears in the head when he shifts to low it goes through the gears. high just goes straight through so quieter. in the video at the end he found the noise was the same before and after.

@artszabo1015 Год назад

@@ronblack7870 Yet he still replaced a bunch of bearings that he said it needed so Alan did ask a valid question.

@trainman5371 Год назад

It seems like it is a tad quieter now

@davidnightingale2260 Год назад

You can actually see the hardened layer transition, just as you send in the centre drill.

@nicblum1548 Год назад

love that cheeky little trick for starting the tap.

@renatoaristeugomes3720 Год назад

A beautiful and pleasant surprise, a video of the CEE, on a Monday. I liked it too much.

@alisciamarotta3888 Год назад

Thank you for the bonus video Karen! Look forward and enjoy all your videos. I'm not a machinist nor a fabricator, just interested in equipment and what goes into them, and of course cute adorable " HOMIE" KEEP THEM COMING! greetings from the banana country, OHIO ( USA).... HAVE A SAFE, HEALTHY AND GREAT WEEK!

@billjamison2877 Год назад

Your skillsets amaze me! Great Video. P.S. Being known as a guy that can fix damn near anything, when it comes to machining, I know next to zero. I have learned quite a bit from watching you work. Thanks. Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania

@bobqzzi Год назад

Every month or so I can't help but be reminded of that famous Crocodile Dundee scene. "That's not a chuck, this is a chuck!"

@johnwaby4321 10 месяцев назад

Very nice little tip there Kurtis . Saves all the fiddle messing about trying to hold them in place 👍👍👍👍

@RossDMTBYT Год назад

the joy when this notification popped up on a Monday night! 🙈 love it! keep er lit Curtis and crew! 💪

@yeagerxp Год назад

Well done . Informative 👍👍👍. Thank you for sharing. Be safe🇨🇦

@PoteauCowboy Год назад

Thanks for the "Extra".... It was amazing to see the Cutting tool go past the hardened steel.

@georgeescaped6035 Год назад

BONUS vid thanks, might be the only machinist out there that does this or ones i have watched, THANKS !

@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Год назад

I love the brass pieces hitting the floor, 5 camera angles on just that shot. Karen is beyond editing prowess. Thank you both. Jim, Portland, Oregon USA

@markschweter6371 Год назад

It was 🎼 MuSiCaL 🎶

@Adrian-dv1sl Год назад

I love it when curtis shakes his head and says f***. 😆🤣🤣👍🏻. I feel for you brother 😉. Greetings from a mechanic from Switzerland 🇨🇭 🙋‍♂️.

@johnquinn3899 Год назад

What a treat for Monday !!!!

@newtonzer0 Год назад

Karen, I love your editing. The way you compress a repetitive multistep task like the drilling of the holes and bending of the brass. Also do you do captions as well? Cause the outtakes captions were hilarious!

@peterb1594 Год назад

I'm Peter from Holland (the netherlands It seems to me that youre wife hes to do a lot of EDITING with you . Sofar I've seen al your videos and still love ever one of them..looking forward to the next one

@TrondBrgeKrokli Год назад

Thanks a lot for this unexpected joy to see and hear from you again. Highly appreciated. Have a wonderful week. ❤🐶😊😊

@jeffanderson4979 Год назад

Love that idea! I bought all three model 91 Starrett tap wrenches because they are the best! I love to see tool hacks

@matthewb8229 Год назад

Your method of finding center of the work area is better than mine. I mean, all I have is my son's wooden ruler from school, that has half the marks worn off of it.

@markschweter6371 Год назад

Your's has marks ? 🙄😏😉😁

@matthewb8229 Год назад

@@markschweter6371 Barely. 😄

@cullenmiller8170 Год назад

Hey a new video. That was unexpected. It sure beats watching the dryer go round at the laundromat. 😂😂

@oscarmarfori613 Год назад

Quality workmanship comes by using high quality tools no wonder CEE is known all over Australia 👍

@johnnyshell2839 Год назад

Holy shit. A second video on Monday. I always love the surprise videos. Thank you

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

you're welcome!

@stihl0903 Год назад

Great Channel full of tips very well done.

@alisciamarotta3888 Год назад

And entertainment 😂

@johnmcclain3887 Год назад

Watching you set up pads for your jaws makes me want to set up a set for my own lathes. Always a pleasure to watch you work!

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

You should! 😁👍

@briantok6518 Год назад

I like to see your videos, I can get a lot of things from your videos, I'm enthusiastic I'm from Indonesia 🇮🇩 🇮🇩

@25vrd48 Год назад

Your videos teach us something every time . Keep producing instructional videos . Not all of your viewers know the information you share . Great video .

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Thanks, will do!

@jasonbryant6694 Год назад

stellar camera and editing work. jaw #3 time lapse was a masterpiece. well done to the both of you. so glad to be along for the ride watching this channel evolve.

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Thanks so much!

@broheim23 Год назад

Another great video! I greatly appreciate that you both took the time to record and edit a video of a relatively simple job. Thank you both for the extra work. One quick question: do the brass shims you're semi-permanently mounting to the hard jaws affect the part running concentrically? To my mind it seems like it might induce an unintentional offset.

@djpaulk Год назад

All 3 shims are 2mm thick, so they have no affect to concentricity of the part.

@gail8494 Год назад

What a nice surprise! Thanks Karen and Curtis. Precision work as usual

@walter9724 Год назад

I'd be lost without my automatic center punch. Best thing I've bought, except for maybe a stepped drill bit 😁👍

@gzegorzbrzezinski1246 Год назад

Jak miło. Miłej pracy życzę. 👍👍🔧🔧

@macmac19800 Год назад

Widzę, że nie tylko ja oglądam, pozdrawiam ;-)

@gzegorzbrzezinski1246 Год назад

@@macmac19800 tak oczywiście. Fajny kanał 👍

@TrevorDennis100 Год назад

Well that's interesting. It never occurred to me that chuck jaws were not hard all the way through, but it makes sense thinking about it. I am surprised that you were able to drill into the jaws with an end mill, but I went back and had a closer look @4:06 and could see that your end mill had cutting face and clearance all the way to the centre. I'll check later, but I think my carbide end mills have a recess at the centre and definitely won't drill straight in. I do have 6mm carbide slot drills though. I was also worried that you used a tapping size end mill as the tap would still have to cut through the hard outer 2mm, but that was a fancy looking tap. Was it also carbide? I'd be worried about breaking a carbide tap if they exist. I am going to look at doing the same mod to our lathe, but using the 6mm slot drill so the tap only has to cut the softer inner material. So thanks for another super useful tip. I am 73 and long since retired, but I still love learning new things.

@HappilyHomicidalHooligan Год назад

The end mill was larger than the screw hole (5mm end mill, then a 4.5mm drill & tap) so neither the drill or tap had to cut into the hardened top layer... After he finished cutting the very first hole, Karen took a close up of the hole and you can see the shoulder where the end mill stopped cutting and the smaller threaded hole starts...

@LanceMcGrew Год назад

The end mill size cleared the outer tap diameter. Also he is using what is known as center cutting end mill.

@MachiningandMicrowaves Год назад

The slot drill was 5mm, the drill was 4.2, the tap was M5, so it wouldn't need to cut the hardened layer because the slot drill had removed it. You should be fine with a centre-cutting 5mm carbide cutter.

@halfinchholes88 Год назад

Loved seeing the Starrett tap wrench at work. Still the best made tap wrenches on the market!

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

Agreed!

@armageddontools Год назад

@@CuttingEdgeEngineering Speaking of wrenches you should make a short wrench/adapter for your cordless drill-one side with square profile and on other side 6 points. That way you can wind up or switch those jaws faster ! You still tighten them with good old key but cordless drill is just pure awesomeness when it comes to winding jaws ! Think about it . . .

@patrickgreen9747 Год назад

Wow…..what a surprise a Monday video. This week is looking up already..!!

@uncleheavy6819 Год назад

That surprise video on a Monday totally screwed up my internal calendar. 😆 Great stuff, as always, guys.

@Hagop64 Год назад

Monday vid!?! Also, is there a reason you don't have your overhead crane reach over to your welding area? I notice you frequently moving pieces between the lathe-fork lift-welding and back. Seems like that would save time if the crane reached over there.

@SeanBZA Год назад

Probably crane is at end of limits, likely original use of the shop had the crane only in use in part, and a dividing wall to the other side. Now the shop is larger the crane is still limited, so the forklift and mobile crane get a lot of use in place of it.

@PhilG999 Год назад

I'm sure you've covered this before, and anyone that has changed jaws on a scroll chuck should know this, but you didn't mention that they are marked and have to be put back in the right place. Might save a "first timer" some frustration. 😁 And you can definitely see where the end mill gets through the hard layer! From essentially powder to stringy swarf. 😁

@CuttingEdgeEngineering Год назад

hey mate thanks for mentioning that here, I did mumble it to Karen but wasn't worthy enough for the video 😅

@JonoMacIntyre Год назад

Thanks for this comment, I was wondering if there was something like this to avoid a painful process to get the jaws all aligned

@tystahl3961 7 месяцев назад

I stumbled upon your channel and have not been disappointed. As someone who owns a landscaping business, I make a lot of my own repairs. I have already learned a thing or two from you.

@hrandhayrapetian3913 Год назад

Great engineering skills as well as fantastic cinematographic taste. Bravo to both of you.

@gwharton68 Год назад

Happy New Year and thank you for all the hard work you put in to make your videos.

@brantnorthman9040 Год назад

Xtra content, nice beginning of the week treat. Thank you

@killtune Год назад

This should be a feature of every chuck manufactured. Thanks for showing us your process Curtis.

@TheDeadHorseRanch Год назад

lmao I saw that flip of the bird coming right off the bat! hahaha Kurtis and I think so much alike.

@KC-7mm Год назад

I can’t get enough of your channel typically I wouldn’t watch something that I’d do for a living and honestly I’m pretty critical of how people do things that being said your quality of work is top notch I really enjoy the machining I used to do it out of job shop but now that I’m working for myself I do welding Repairs on heavy equipment I haven’t got to investing in machinery and tooling this channel is inspiring me to get back into machine work especially because it goes hand in hand with heavy equipment repairs. Love the channel had to sub after seeing the quality you produce

@djamesthree Год назад

This was an especially good video. The videography and editing on this channel just gets better and better. An especially inspired cut was the split screen showing Kurtis using the break to stop the tap after it got its start. We’ve seen a handful of videos now where he uses the mill to start a tap and I always wondered if it was just friction stopping the tap when he shut the mill down, now we know. Thank you both for sharing, and happy new year.

@berrieds Год назад

Beautiful video editing as always, loved the side-by-side shot when Curtis was tapping that second thread.

@matt.gordon6823 Год назад

Bloody beautiful, thanks CEE 👍

@TooMuchMiddle Год назад

The best part of this video, aside from it being Monday, was when you were bending the tabs into shape. all of the precision available to you, and you're like fuck it, hit it with a hammer.

@floundergearjam Год назад

My Monday just got a whole lot better. Thanks CEE!

@reeley Год назад

great engineering by Kurtis, great videography and editing by Karen. Thank you guys.

@rypkepaulusma Год назад

Wow, what's happening? A tuesday treat on my favorite YT channel! I could definately get used to this. Keep them coming please...

@advil000 Год назад

That beautiful mashup at 9:21 is how every machinist feels on a really good morning, full of energy, coffee in hand when you walk up to a job ready to rock and roll. That's EXACTLY how fast and smoothly the vision in your head is. 3 HOURS LATER when you have not yet accomplished what took 15 seconds in your head is when the words sailors hesitate to use start flowing and that is when you know it isn't going to be a magical day after all.