How to Find Your Position on a Topo Map Using a GPS & UTM

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This quick video shows you how you can use your GPS to find your position on a Topo map using the UTM / NAD 83 format & datum. There is a LOT to learn about map reading which is useful when your GPS fails.
Anybody with tips can post them as video replies or comments.
When using your GPS in conjunction with a topo map, is to make sure that Datum is the same on the GPS as on your map. For example, out of the box GPS receivers are set to WGS84 while most topo maps are probably NAD83. This is important to set since it will make a different where you are on the map.
The next setting to change is the position format. Depending on the age of the map, it will be using UTM number format instead of GPS friendly lat/log format. Position format is much like a phone number, you can write it in various ways, but they all mean the same thing.
Now you can take a set of coordinates from the GPS, either grab a waypoint, look up a phototagged image. Here we want to get the position where we are and where we want to go, like a visitor centre.
Write down the UTM coordinates on to a piece of paper. Take the corner of the piece of paper and mark out the scale, using UTM each tick on a grid is divisible by 10. So you can take each digit in a UTM and narrow down on the map by 100m in this example.
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@Starshoals 13 лет назад

I've started my journey learning land navigation, and videos like this are really helpful. To the point, no nonsense, and concise! At first I found the UTM system confusing, and now I'm seeing the beauty of its simplicity and accuracy. Thank you!

@RMB787983 11 лет назад

Jim, just to say thank you for your brilliant series of vids relating to these GPS Systems. You are clearly a natural teacher, and your understanding of these brilliant devices (I use the Garmin 62STC for some time now) is legend. Given that I am subscribed to your site, I watch and learn from your vids on a regular basis. Once again, thank you for your knowledgeable vids. Best wishes. RMB. Scotland.

@PunoDeTierra 12 лет назад

Going Hiking to Yosemite and got my self a Topo map. thanks for showing me how to read it. Now I know what is UTM zone 11 mean. going out there with compass and this map. Half Dome and the backwoods. first time going. getting all my Intel via youtube by watching and learning from people like you. Thank you again.

@joejacoby2464 9 лет назад

Jim, good stuff and thanks for sharing! In the military, we didn't "go right and up the stairs;" the rule was "read right up."

@yonallb 11 лет назад

Love these tutorials! Keep em coming.

@AdamCraigOutdoors 7 лет назад

awesome. never played much with a GPS and map so i had no idea i needed to setup my GPS properly. Thanks for the help!!

@AvoidingChores 7 лет назад

+Adam Craig Outdoors glad it was useful

@iniacorerega3724 8 лет назад

Very informative. Thanks !!

@Vivaldi111 11 лет назад

This is so cool! Thanks for sharing your knowledge !

@whosane1985 3 года назад

THANK YOU TEACHING ME LIFE SAVING SKILLS

@ShanaAndJeff 10 лет назад

awesome info! thanks for sharing it. I just got a 62s for hiking and hunting and this will certainly come in handy

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

excelent!

@erosaffinity115 13 лет назад

Thank you for the tutorial.... I have a Garmin 62s for Geocaching and now I am starting to love this device.. Please make some more video using TOPO map and 62s..

@Aonexia 13 лет назад

Cool Mate! I just seen the bird's Eye Video. Very nice.... I was watching a video a few days ago on how to use Google Map's together with your Garmin. This video allowed you to down load JPEG images from Google Maps to your GPS. It was a very complicated and lengthy video, but it was accomplished. I so wish they made the Garmin simplier; but I enjoy it and its features. Thank you for writing me back mate. I look forward to your vidoe's in the future.

@Michael-yt3wz 2 года назад

Great Video! Very helpful. The more I learn on your videos, the more I learn I don't know. haha...I'm subscribed for all of the new tips and tricks.

@AvoidingChores 2 года назад

Thanks for the sub!

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

sure can! Just need to go into your settings and match the position format & datum to the map you are using and you are good to go!

@Pimptorious69 10 лет назад

I love Keji!

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

thanks for watching mary!

@nataliaboada5898 7 лет назад

Awesome, thanks very much.

@AvoidingChores 7 лет назад

glad it was of help!

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

glad the video helped.

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

I'm glad you found this video useful and thanks for commenting :)

@lovetraveler1 10 лет назад

Thank you for that quick lesson..

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@MrRocque thanks for the feedback, I'll adjust the annotation

@DENMONKEY 13 лет назад

I'll probably never use it but very helpful none the less. cheers

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

I agree, but those things are actually hard to find in my area. I've seen a product from Sunnto I think that had a compass and the angle part, probably more geared towards orienteering but would do the trick when you don't have paper in the field. Thanks for mentioning this!

@MiClLC 5 лет назад

That is really interesting my man. You got any uploads explaining intersection and resection?

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

*Find Your Position On A Map Using a GPS & UTM* _In case you find yourself in the situation where your GPS is low on batteries and you can only grab coordinates. This tutorial will show you how to find your position on a Topo Map_ This quick video shows you how you can use your GPS to find your position on a Topo map using the UTM / NAD 83 format & datum. There is a LOT to learn about map reading which is useful when your GPS fails. Anybody with tips can post them as video replies or comments. When using your GPS in conjunction with a topo map, is to make sure that Datum is the same on the GPS as on your map. For example, out of the box GPS receivers are set to WGS84 while most topo maps are probably NAD83. This is important to set since it will make a different where you are on the map. The next setting to change is the position format. Depending on the age of the map, it will be using UTM number format instead of GPS friendly lat/log format. Position format is much like a phone number, you can write it in various ways, but they all mean the same thing. Now you can take a set of coordinates from the GPS, either grab a waypoint, look up a phototagged image. Here we want to get the position where we are and where we want to go, like a visitor centre. Write down the UTM coordinates on to a piece of paper. Take the corner of the piece of paper and mark out the scale, using UTM each tick on a grid is divisible by 10. So you can take each digit in a UTM and narrow down on the map by 100m in this example. #outdoors #hiking #survival #bushcraft

@biggles1024 10 лет назад

This video won't play for me. :( When I click play, the box with the screen capture is cleared and then remains blank.

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

that's odd.

@MrRocque 13 лет назад

@thecyr cool, otherwise, nice video. I find too many ppl that rely on their GPS like its a 'God send' but don't have any skills when it comes to navigation other then following their electronics blindly. My preference is map/compass...but ANYTHING that gets ppl to develop some kind of skill (map reading for example) other then 'my GPS will save me, its a computer dooooh' gets my vote.

@gingermavy 9 лет назад

Very good

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

yes, you should be able to change the position format & datum on the eTrex 10 no problem

@DENMONKEY 13 лет назад

@thecyr My 62s is on its way ( I hope) . The way I see it you can use custom maps to interpret an image and overlay/underlay the map. I'm wondering why you would not be able to use Google earth to generate a satellite image of the area, convert it to the correct format and then use it to create your custom map ? If this is possible, no birds eye subscription would be required. ?? Is there a cost to use the custom map software ? Am I way off base with this one, or am I on to something ?

@tboy221 11 лет назад

you should use a map protractor, they are usually clear and have a cut out grid square for finding the location on the map. i think you caget one for any scale map. adding something like that on your video can show people there are other alternatives than scaling a piece of paper. in the military we use maps that have been laminated so we can use "map pens" to draw routes and easily wipe them clean to add in new routs and locations, and we use a map protractor to pinpoint the location

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@Aonexia I don't see a limit with the micrSD slot in the manual, so I assume a 16GB card would be fine.

@Aonexia 13 лет назад

Thank you for you video. Please keep posting. I have a question: I just purchased the 62st and a 16G micro SD card. Can you talk about this in one of your videos? Also, can you talk about the bird's Eye View?

@johngo6283 9 лет назад

Re map datums at about 4:00, NAD 83 and WGS 84 are pretty much identical unless you are doing precise surveying. So, if your map datum is NAD 83, and your GPS datum is set to WGS 84, you're going to be just fine.

@AvoidingChores 12 лет назад

@teridacktal02 thanks for commenting!

@Aonexia 13 лет назад

@thecyr I will chwck them out! Cheers! Question: Would the 62st allow its user to the allowance of the 16G micro SD card? Or is it limited only to the 4G micro for now? Thanks

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

I do have a number of eTrex 20 videos uploaded, which I think is the better choice than the 10. But the satellite page will give you all the info you need very easily if you just want to get your positions at a glance.

@AvoidingChores 10 лет назад

*How To Find Your Position on a TOPO Map using a GPS & UTM* #yearinreview2013 This quick video shows you how you can use your GPS to find your position on a Topo map using the UTM / NAD 83 format & datum. There is a LOT to learn about map reading which is useful when your GPS fails. Anybody with tips can post them as video replies or comments. When using your GPS in conjunction with a topo map, is to make sure that Datum is the same on the GPS as on your map. For example, out of the box GPS receivers are set to WGS84 while most topo maps are probably NAD83. This is important to set since it will make a different where you are on the map. The next setting to change is the position format. Depending on the age of the map, it will be using UTM number format instead of GPS friendly lat/log format. Position format is much like a phone number, you can write it in various ways, but they all mean the same thing. Now you can take a set of coordinates from the GPS, either grab a waypoint, look up a phototagged image. Here we want to get the position where we are and where we want to go, like a visitor centre. Write down the UTM coordinates on to a piece of paper. Take the corner of the piece of paper and mark out the scale, using UTM each tick on a grid is divisible by 10. So you can take each digit in a UTM and narrow down on the map by 100m in this example. #outdoors #hiking

@Niknodder 10 лет назад

I always Carry a compass whenever I hit the trail.

@Niknodder 10 лет назад

Yep knowing how to use a map and compass should be part of the hunters safety too

@raynettechance3668 7 лет назад

Jim Cyr

@alexnikoo244 5 лет назад

Jim, can I get that GPS using in Russia? do I need to download Russian map there?

@Commander_HW 9 лет назад

Hi Jim, one question for u. So let say i have a handheld GPS and a topo map, will i be able to hike anywhere any pin point in grand canyon? Cuz i've always hear ppl talking about a hidden waterfall in grand canyon, but i've been there twice, and still can't find it, so i'm thinking about buying a handheld GPS and learn how to read topo map.

@AvoidingChores 9 лет назад

Yup, once you learn to how read a topo map and plotting coordinates, you should be able to create a route to navigate.

@watsonmary100 10 лет назад

Great and informative video post....Thanks for sharing this amazing Post...

@r.edgarbutler3892 7 лет назад

Hello Jim, I'm wondering about geo-tagging images. At 4:46, your Garmin shows an iPhone image with UTM coordinates. How did you connect your Garmin to your iPhone?

@AvoidingChores 7 лет назад

+Ryan Butler oh. The photo was taken with the iPhone, The embedded info including the GPS coordinates & camera taken were from the phone then exported/ imported into the Garmin.

@AvoidingChores 12 лет назад

@johngo6283 I don't' think it matters which one you change first on the GPS, the important thing that I mention in the video is that both position format & datum need to match the map. But you bring up a good point about datum, I should probably expand that in a future video.

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@DENMONKEY Yeah it's kinda like using microsoft word, you only end up using 10% of the features. :)

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

thanks for watching!

@wilfredocruz1911 11 лет назад

Is there a ways to locate the exact coordinates pointing on a certain exact location? For example, if I put nail on a concrete pavement, can the GPS find the the exact coordinates of of the nail?

@zekehooper 11 лет назад

I just got a garmin e trex 10. Can I do what you are doing on the basic gps I have?

@AvoidingChores 12 лет назад

For sure if you carry a smartphone, there's your backup. But a paper updated map of the area is cheaper and less likely to fail unless you use it light a fire ;)

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

Garmin sells an european version of the map62 which will work in your area.

@wilfredocruz1911 11 лет назад

Do you missed to explain the last coordinate Point x,y after the easting and northing (5,3). How you determine the (72,12)? There are several coordinates given in example location, why the coordinates point (24,23) and point (5,3) was the answer in your location and not the point (03,49) or point (72,12)?

@SaaTBundo 8 лет назад

thanks for this video. I need one but how can I get it? I am from Monrovia, Liberia in Africa. I look forward to hearing from you.

@johngo6283 8 лет назад

Saah, go to caltopo.com, choose Open Cycle Map or Open Street Map from the map layers. This gives international map coverage.

@jamescraven480 3 месяца назад

Have you ever posted a video on how to use the topographical companion? It's a plastic scale.

@AvoidingChores 3 месяца назад

No, have not.

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@Aonexia I also made a similar video for creating custom garmin maps using google earth. Myversion is shorter and not as complicated

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

glad you found the video interesting

@wilfredocruz1911 11 лет назад

By determining the Azimuth Bearing, can the GPSmap 62s capable of determining up to the extent of minutes and seconds not only the degrees?. In other example of locating the bearing, given bearing only give degrees only not extending to minutes and seconds. This question was raised to determine the Airport Runway Orientation.

@suleimankuta6027 4 года назад

Wish I can get answer to dis

@Darcon64 9 лет назад

I have a GPSmap 62s which I use in conjunction with Basecamp. I have created about 100 routes labelled A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, B1, B2, B3, B4, B5, B6, C1 C2 etc. Each of these routes has about 6 waypoints selected from about 30 waypoints. All of these routes are in Basecamp and in alphabetical order. I transfer the 100 routes to the GPSmap 62s (the unit can hold about 200). However, on the GPSmap62s, they are not in alphabetical order. Any ideas as to how I could place them in alphabetical order for eas of selection? In addition, when a route, say A4, is elected on the GPSmap62s, the GPSmap 62s picks the nearest waypoint to where I am currently at rather than the first waypoint in the list associated with that Route. To overcome this problem, it is possible to elected and force the GPSmaps62s to navigate to the first waypoint on the list. However, two problems occur: (1) the GPSmap62s will not now display the name of the current waypoint; and (2) you cannot use the auto transition from one waypoint to another. Any thoughts? Thanks

@AvoidingChores 9 лет назад

Darcon64 I thought when you hit the menu button, you had a sort by alphabetical. Or it's buried in the system setting or the route screen. I don't have my map 62 anymore so hard to verify this on my end, but fairly certain you have that option. Hopefully someone else will reply. As for the second item - I'm trying to help someone else with a similar problem but with a NUVI. Other than avoidance options and profiles, kinda stumped. However, are you using the most up to date firmware? if not, then it could have been resolved in the update. Man those were some solid questions.

@123DOWNUNDER890 6 лет назад

time to RIGHT it UP

@daltonryan4142 7 лет назад

In the military we use the term always read a map right and up same same.

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@Aonexia I haven't picked up a SD card for my 62 yet, but it's coming! As for bird's eye, I did a video about it about a month ago, check it out! "Garmin GPSMAP 62 - How To Prepare for a Hike - BirdsEye Imagery "

@pradeepgiri1337 5 лет назад

How to find a point from BHCnav GPS

@ocheanamanus8272 11 лет назад

Sir Please Give me system I want it using for oman.

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

you will never get exact location with consumer GPS units, there will always be a level of error due to the satellite accuracy at a location & environment and other GPS units. The best case would you are within a 3-12 foot radius.

@ocheanamanus8272 11 лет назад

Hello sir, I need GPS system pls tall me details. i want to using it in oman. pls tall me how it work and costing .. THanks Rahim

@scruffstaa 9 лет назад

Hey Jim, why didn't you do anything with the last two digits?

@AvoidingChores 9 лет назад

Mainly cause the map scale. If you had something like a 1:15000 map, you could have gotten more precise location by using the last digits.

@phildo864 8 лет назад

+Jim Cyr I have more faith in you. You could have used the 7 in the easting and the 1 in the northing to get around a 10 meter square. Don't you think? Just makes it 5.7 and 3.1. Thanks for the video.

@AvoidingChores 8 лет назад

Phillip Griffin great point and I could have certainly done that to increase precision.

@yaseenullah3093 6 лет назад

how to find layout at gps

@denbeigh 7 лет назад

its zone 20, but where on the map does it say T?

@AvoidingChores 7 лет назад

Good eye. on the newer topo maps, they have the latitude band and zone visible.

@johngo6283 6 лет назад

The "T' latitude band is a part of a complete UTM Coordinate. However, it's generally safe to ignore, because you already know if you're in the northern or southern hemisphere.

@ocheanamanus8272 11 лет назад

Hello sir, Jim Cyr. I need GPS & UTM System . Please Tall me Details. I want to use IT in OMan. pls reply me. and Tall me how costly. THanks Rahim

@paulhester1904 2 года назад

left bottom corner go right then up

@cmootrey 2 года назад

You just taught me more in 8 minutes than any ex-boyfriend could do in years. 😄 Thank you

@AvoidingChores 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful

@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Год назад

I'll have a go at teaching you things colleen

@AvoidingChores 13 лет назад

@DENMONKEY take a look at my garmin playlist - I made a video how to make an overlay map using google earth.

@littlegoobie 12 лет назад

interesting. but in this day and age, if i carry a "backup" it will be another electronic GPS with appropriate maps installed, not a paper map and compass.

@AML147 6 лет назад

That's idiotic lol. Hopefully you've changed that view by now considering technology can always fail. You should always carry paper as a backup even if you take two GPS devices.

@pondmapper 7 лет назад

This grid reader make the job easier and faster and very accurate: www.rei.com/product/641456/universal-transverse-mercator-utm-grid-reader I like to carry a small magnifying glass and a flashlight in case of darkness. I prefer a 1:24,000 topo map whenever one is available. I would never go to a difficult place without a paper map and compass since the GPS reception is not always good in deep canyons and dense forest canopy and the battery could quit. As difficult as it is sometimes, believe your compass.

@denelson83 5 лет назад

Nova Scotia, eh?

@2tiggsU 8 лет назад

The Aeroplane goes down the runway and takes off

@bedrillana2134 3 года назад

I CAN READ

@johngo6283 9 лет назад

Umm, I might've missed it, but I don't think once in your entire video you mentioned what an Easting and a Northing actually are.

@AvoidingChores 9 лет назад

johngo6283 Hmmm, you may be correct, I know after I posted the video I add a number of annotations to supplement the information I may have omitted.

@suleimankuta6027 4 года назад

Easting are the vertical lines drawn on the map running from South to north and graduating in figures from West to East. Northing are the horizontal lines drawn on a map running from West to East and graduating in figures from South to north

@MrRocque 13 лет назад

I realize you put in an annotation of 'in 500m and up 300 m, but that's barely going to register with viewers. The description of the 100m location verbally says 'down 5 (easting) and down 3 (northing)' which completely breaks the 'right up' rule of coordinates. Perhaps a longer annotation with the correction, laying over the video, as opposed to a few seconds in the top left corner. Or a voice over with the correct plotting.

@terrycornall9488 3 года назад

yeah, this bugged me too

@AvoidingChores 11 лет назад

i have that tutorial using google earth on my channel, check it out!

@bromandudeguy1995 3 года назад

Why couldn't you use the phone or watch?

@AvoidingChores 3 года назад

It’s been a few years since this upload, but you can use a watch or phone as long as it can display the values in the right format.

@bromandudeguy1995 3 года назад

@@AvoidingChores Definitely. Thx for replying anyways. I noticed most of the cheaper watches with gps that are more of a fitness tracker don’t use utm or way points. That’s what I was looking to find out I guess I’ll have to grab a standard gps meant for the trail one day.

@AvoidingChores 3 года назад

@@bromandudeguy1995 For that type of usage, check out the fenix or Instinct which are more aligned with handheld functions.

@animethighs2706 3 года назад

Im about to send some random guy to random coordinates

@johngo6283 12 лет назад

You cause some confusion at about 3 minutes. You talk about map datums, pick up the GPS, then go right into setting the coordinate system. Datums and coordinate systems are totally different. An improvement would be to adjust the datum first, then the coordinate system. Plus, it's my understanding that WGS 84 and NAD 83 are, for recreational field use purposes, the same thing.

@johngo6283 8 лет назад

Dedicated GPS units such as those made by Garmin are quickly becoming dinosaurs. (Major outdoor retailers in the USA, such as REI, will not even sell them in another year or two.) The iPhone 6 has fantastic battery life, a better quality GPS chip, and is a better tool for navigation than a Garmin GPS in almost every regard. And it's certainly not just for driving around in the city. A dedicated backcountry GPS app such as Gaia GPS is and incredible tool. For $20, it will send your Garmin GPS into the recycle bin. Search RU-vid for < Gaia GPS > to see some tutorial videos, or go here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oi4aUEQj7vU.html

@ctyragdoll 6 лет назад

Going into the wilderness with just a smartphone is why we have Search and Rescue units (that use dedicated GPS receivers and maps/compass)

@terrycornall9488 3 года назад

drop your iPhone just one meter onto a rock, into rapids, then wash it down the river underwater for half an hour and see if it still works.

@johngo6283 3 года назад

Terry Cornall I never said you should not know how to read your coordinates from a map. It’s a useful skill, although one that is less and less needed. Of course electronic things can get lost or broken. Just like your map can blow away in the wind. :-). Having some redundant systems, like your partner also having a phone with the GPS app, backs up to you if your phone fails. If you have to choose between using a calculator and a slide rule, which one would you reach for first?

@vivageocentrism5167 5 лет назад

Only works on a flatearth map. The spinning globe curvature is never considered

@markdudley3831 5 лет назад

So we need a spinning globe curvature map do we ?

@terrycornall9488 3 года назад

I thought that the Mercator projection took curvature into account well enough (1 in 1000) in 'small' areas (like the zones)

@electricety 6 лет назад

You really need to loose the politically correct language lol 3:25 just say your position your standing in hellooooo

@electricety 6 лет назад

you should bring your videos to life and take your videos out in the field or forest and it will seem real this is a off putting video with good info that's getting passed up