How to FIX Cinewhoop Washout | OPEN SOURCE 

OMG!!! I have a Flywoo Cinerace 20 and I love almost everything about it for flying small gaps picking through tree canopies and proximity flying I would never do with my 5" drones. The only thing I hated was a really annoying float when I wanted to drop from high trees it would just hang in the air. The reversed props totally fixed this and I have so much more control over it. Thank you

HUGE THANKS for the prop reversal hint! My Mobula8 was having the throttling up issue when trying to let it fall down, and your fixes immediately worked. I can finally do dives with this thing ^^

Thank you so much!!!. You saved me from trashing this quad. Been pulling my hair trying to fix it. 👍👍👍

Thanks Mark! Modified my 3" squirt style to a 3.5" with guards, everything was flying great except that it would float and not come down, who knew it was as simple as swapping the prop rotation. Now it flys like it's on rails. Thanks again for all you do!

Great to see this issue covered! A few of us on your discord noticed this same behavior on our 7" long range quads where yaw I term would build up on dives. Only thing that fixed it was going props in

Oh wow, I gotta try props in. I think it could be that motor shafts are not parallel to each other. And one or two motors tilted a little making extra yaw drag as they spin. With props out they fight with actual yaw intentions, with props in they help.

Thanks for this video! Got my quad running good after 4 months!!

You should mention (for beginners) that changing prop direction also requires to change props ;-)

Thank you it helped a ton, I thought it was my tune for the longest time and nothing helped.

Thanks! I am going to try this tomorrow but I have a feeling you help me fix my quad.

Well that is just perfect timing, thankyou for running through this issue. I've recently picked up a Pavo25 and did the first few flights on Thursday. I have had both the issues you describe, and have just sat down to see what the internet says about it. The floating around after a bit of full throttle or a steep descent was really disconcerting, so I'm going to take a look at the gains first, then try swapping the prop direction. Thumbs up, and a subscribe from me :)

Great vid Mark! 9:45 I noticed this as well on many ducted rigs. Yaw authority is also really bad with props out. I’m wondering if this is even subtly detectable on any rig

Thanks UAV Tech, I will give this one a try next time I notice some of those weird autorotations on cinequads!

Thanks Mark. So myth saying that props out configuration will allways help at yaw washout is busted. I'll certainly try that on my cinewhoop because it is doing both things shown here. I would never though to try props in configuration. 😲🙃

Yes there is yaw washout but it ain’t falling outta the sky like the avata that the difference between washout and poor drone design great video by the way thank you

I can't beleive I gotta go props in for my cinewhoop. But I've been battling this issue for a while now and I thought it was I term wind up lol. I can't wait to switch my props and give it another shot. Thanks Mark for this helpful video👍

Mark is the only content creator where I am a Patron. He always has news you can use!

Thank you so much, as my Pavo25 (my first real FPV Drone) scared me in anything other than Angle Mode until i found this video and made the suggested changes now I never flight it in Angle Mode,

Much needed info thanks you so much

I’ve been struggling with this for a while. It did not occur to me to change the prop rotation. Thanks

Thank you for this.. I though my pavo would flyaway until i crashed in in backyard full of grass

Thanks, made a difference definitely, but would be interested in your PID settings as mine are completely different. I have the Pavo25

Thx for your help

I love when the music kicked in a you sbanged that thang!

Been having a hard time tuning the GEPRC Cinebot30 it keeps having really bad propwash it's drifting backwards on however. I am going to try the props in and see if it eliminates some of these problems

Wow, that’s really good to know. Gona have to try this. Great video 🤩

I'm having that same floaty-zero throttle issue with my slammed squirt. Here's a weird one: after reversing motors, props and un-ticking the motors direction is reversed button in BF, my squirt now has bad trilling oscillations as soon as I arm and attempt to hover. RPY works as it should, but the motors are now hot and angry. I asked JB about it and he said he's never heard of this before. Any ideas how a simple props-in adjustment can cause these trilling oscillations and basically throw my perfectly working tune with props out, out the window?

I have the same problem on my 5 inch... I will test it

Hi mark, I have a turkey25 with gyro bmi270, is it safe to update to the latest version of betaflight?

So.. that is it. You rock. First time on the channel and you solved the only two concerns I had on my very first flight. I never flew a drone IRL before, and I went for my first rodeo with this brand new pavo25. I had a blast but those two things (the yaw washout and the drone hanging on the air) got me thinking if I was doing something wrong. It felt like something was wrong besides me being just a total noob, but I was not sure. So thx mate, thx a lot!! PD: did u put some blackbox i to the Pavo25? because if I recall correctly this drone comes without it, right?

Hey Mark, do you suggest D63- 5 blade props or the 3 blade for cinewhoops? Thanks in advance

i have this problem on my pavo25 and SOO THANK YOU i will try this!!!!

Good video thanks, I have the same phenomenon with Pavo 25 and Pavo30

So is Props In the beter option for all quads?

I also have the pavo 25, is there a way you can sale me your tooning?

Hi Mark, I've been having this ''autorotation'' thing with my 5 inch in some occasions, I'm heading now to the field with a normal prop configuration... If this fixes it I'll be amazed...

I have the same kit and waiting for the rest of parts to come. I've been searching for someone who has this quad and hoping they share thier CLI. Watching this video i noticed your RU-vid name "UAV TECH" and recognize that in BETAFLIGHT PRESETs. Could you kindly share your CLI dump for this drone pls. It would help me alot after i build my drone. Thank you.

Genius ❤

Would this particular issue be because you were using a pusher? I tried flipping my rig over and found that it behaved quite differently than a whoop.

OH MY GOSH!!!!! I spent months trying different FC and motors, different PIDs and BF versions to make this sh..t fly and the solution was to disable props out?

@uavtech, I applied these settings on my pavo25 and it sounds like the motors are spinning A LOT NOISIER!!! like alot alot

man! "props in" solve my problem of floating...I was lost tuning and retuning and just with the props all have been solve is a little bit embarrassing... this whoop is my 20th built I feel like total noob

What can cause this on a 5" 6S, because one of my friends had this happening for months and he couldn't figure it out, then he switched from props out to props in and it was gone.

I have a problem when I go through a hallway it has a lot of turbulence. The vibration only happens in small hallways. What can I do it's a cinewhoop 25

For my cinewhoops, i have tested props out conf, and for all, i'm props in because is soo better bizarrely!!!. but for all the rest, 4inch, 5 inch, 6 inch, all are in prop's out! and is better. but i'm not on 4.3 for now.. one day but all my quads fly's great, and why changing a quad when it fly's well? no? ;) and the prices are expensive, now i recycle, the market are so expensive, it annoy me. i have a foxxwoop but i have 4.2 on it, and it works.. sure the 4.3 is better? all are mpu6000.. and i dont know what to do.. (thank's for the presets, always a good base!) and thank you as allways!

ima try this stuff, my protek35 doesn't fly well when doing like dives or split s moves, it just snaps everywhere and freaks out

Wow... I switched components from beta95x v3 to new pavo25 frame and for a couple of days was struggling with exactly the same problem on zero throttle. I was thinking about switching to props in at the beginning but forgot about that and now your video... Same model, exactly the same behavior :) Will check it tomorrow, hope it'll help. By the way, it's my first quad with Betaflight 4.3.x, so I just thought that I missed something in the configuration... Speaking of configuration, could you provide cli dump for pavo25? I'd like to compare my setting with the original one - for now I have default BF settings. I'm just surprised that even on the product page (I mean pavo25 build), betafpv says that it flies much better with props out direction. Well...

Thanks Mark, great video. In your expert opinion, could DJI fix or tone down the prop wash issue of the Avata through a firmware update that would change the PIDs and possibly the prop rotation?

Ottima spiegazione e ottimo aiuto grazie, ho avuto lo stesso problema, domani vado a fare un test, per vedere se la situazione è migliorata, per favore togliete anche questa curiosità, perché la maggior parte dei cinewhoops sembrano zoppicare quando volano dritti? Sto cercando di capire mettendo le mani sul pid, ma non riesco a risolvere il problema, potresti dirmi dove posso intervenire per cambiare qualcosa e far volare il mio Shendrones Squirt v2 liscio come l'olio? Sto usando i gemfan a 5 pale da 76 mm, i motori Xing2 2205 2300kv, lo stack Speedybee f7v3 con Gopro Hero9 montato completamente sulla parte superiore. Grazie

I still don't understand why there would be a difference between props in vs out. Can anyone explain it in more detail?

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Im still have washout problems :/

That's mean the pavo25 is not a good thing. I will say good bye to betafpv.