How to fuel a HYDROGEN car? | Toyota Mirai (182 hp) | POV drive 

I don't know

i just checked in this month we should get it in italy i actually didin't know i thought it was maybe in 2023

@@inigopatch420 I actually waited testing this car until we had some new hydrogen fuel stations installed...

We only have 1 in France

@@johnnypovdrives sick

You’re missing the point. Lithium and oil is finite. Hydrogen is unlimited.

​ @CrianCRNA You miss his point lol Hydrogen is far more efficient than petrol or diesel and no one talk about battery and oil here

@@criancrna1487 Platinum is also finite.

@@scottkolaya2110 “For example, contrary to common thinking, the cost of platinum makes up less than 1% of cost of the fuel stack system. This is compared to battery vehicles, in which commodity-type raw materials, such as lithium and cobalt, makes up a significant portion of total costs.” (Deloitte, 2020) - Deloitte. (2020) Powering the Future of Mobility. 1, 1-2, www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/cn/Documents/finance/deloitte-cn-fueling-the-future-of-mobility-en-200101.pdf

​@@criancrna1487 You still needs batteries in hydrogen EV, just way less. Also currently a good portion of hydrogen came from breaking down certain parts of oil. And hydrogen cells usually requires catalyst. So while it helps, it still won't outright remove the problem. It looks like a good start tho.

until some innovator like elon musk, or elon himself gets into hydrogen cars and develops a system like tesla did. The future will be EV and Hydrogen, our electricity storing capabilities and methods will change over time. We will run out of fossil fuels, or it will eventually become extremely, extremely expensive

@@thelogicalkrampus462 the future of ev seems pretty dim, especially knowing how we're having difficulties with our power grid while bringing power to the charging stations. i wish hydrogen cars caught on better than ev because it's simply better for the environment.

California has no problem with this, they are everywhere here.

@@EagleWithAhGun Only texas is the one having issues with their power grid. lol

And also, 13 euros per 100 kms is a nightmare price!

But you could freeze to death touching that fuel nozzle :)

bet lexus designed most of it then toyota did the engineering and slapped a badge on it

@@kareemalmond bro Toyota is Lexus Lexus is Toyota

@@kareemalmond really?

@@Legend-lc9bv not really, they have their separate R&D orgs

@@gitgudchannel They are the same. Toyota owns Lexus. A Lexus had a Toyota engine. Toyota stamped parts. A Lexus is just a Toyota with leather essentially.

Wow that is the first time I notice that text, and I made the edit. 😂 Congrats on the eagle eye vision and the insight, really interesting. Time will tell!

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@@emekyilmaz7396 It is amazing how battery technology is changing. Even with the 500,000 mile warranties in other countries, they will last much longer than any FCEV at this point. I agree, the battery costs have changed a lot.

@@scottkolaya2110 The "do not refuel after" date doesn't mean the tanks are unusable. It's just a disclaimer since no one has seen what kind of wear and tear these tanks go through after 14 years. Also for comparison, I have not heard of a single FCEV owner having to get their tanks replaced, but I have heard many people needing battery replacements in their BEVs.

@@k1fizz On the other hand, carbon fiber tanks have been out for not only more than 14 years, but many decades. The industry has long since seen the effects of deterioration of high pressure composite tanks. It's not like Toyota somehow came out in 2016 with some unproven technology and just threw it on the streets and let the public test it out for them. The US DOT and many other countries standard is 15 years. We'll see what happens when the first Mirai hits 15 years (the oldest one is only half that) but people have been replacing tanks in their CNG vehicles for a long time now because they can't re-register or insure them after the expiration date. Maybe someone will come up with a way to reliably re-certify composite tanks by then without damaging them further. It's certainly possible. And for comparison, of course you haven't heard of an owner replacing a FCEV tank because 100% of them are still under warranty. People tend to not complain when the company takes care of it. You certainly hear about every battery replacement that's out of warranty because people complain, rightly so, loudly. A few Mirais, Nexos, and Claritys have failed routine leak tests and were fixed under warranty. I'm not sure the tanks were the cause all the time, probably the myriad of pipes and connections. I hear about that all the time from owners. Many have had failed fuel cells replaced under warranty. Also for comparison, EVs outsell FCEVs by 500:1 worldwide. So proportionally, you'd need 500 battery replacements to equal 1 tank or fuel cell replacement. And the fact that there certainly have been some out of warranty battery replacements or refusals to replace them by burning them on a lake and other various stunts, is hard to compare against zero FCEVs even eligible for out of warranty repairs.

...I see your extreme lack of reasearch, Electrolysis. Lotta energy to make hydrogen, energy today is mostly coal and oil...

Inefficient, only 20% of the hydrogen is used to power the car. The hydrogen will dissipate in 3 days, wether you use it or not

I don't think it's more eco friendly than a Tesla. Hydrogen fuel take like 4x the energy to be made than just charging.

@@bermudacorp4234 nuclear

Me too. Most of America's stations are in California.

Yes it is lovely to drive. Thanks for watching!

thanks :)

Exactly! It is ok to be ECO Friendly, but why we need to pay 12 euros per 100 Kms, as he stat in another video, that the car run 450 Kms with 1 full tank, which costs 56 euros!

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Thanks! 🙏

Something you’ll only see in California :). This station opened that same day, I shot that video 4 months ago and every time I drive past no one is using it. Also because there’s hardly any hydrogen cars sold here.

Exactly. 👊

I agree, I love diversity when it comes to this stuff

It IS an electric car!!! hhh But it uses a fuel cell instead of a "normal" battery.

@@sassuki oh ok thanks, still better than a electric car

what ?

Yes, Dats24!

Hydrogen is fairly new tech, that's mostly been specialized and not in any consumer vehicles before now. Producing anything gets better and cheaper with time and with the economy of scale. I still maintain that rather than Hydrogen, a Chevy Volt system using diesel instead of gas would be the perfect car until we perfect solid state batteries enough to put them into cars. A small, 35 Mi range battery for day to day operation that you can plug in to charge overnight (and regenerative breaking), and a diesel generator to charge it while driving for longer trips. More efficient by far than a gas engine on both emissions and fuel milage. It's literally the system that Diesel-Electric trains use for freight all around the world. They're the most efficient style of engines we have available to us.

Fossil fuels won't keep low prices... the stuff costs billions in healthcare and we are running out of it. Less fuel means higher prices. If we run out of hydrogens main source we don't beed to worry aboutbtge fost of stuff ;)

I had a classic car that had been through 3 petrol engines in it's lifetime. Lack of maintenance from former owners plus just wear and tear. The fact it was on it's third engine didn't change the cars asthetic, availability or age - the things that make it 'desirable' and classic. The new engine I put in added nothing to (nor adversly affected) it's market value. Oh, it had also gad at least one fill up of fuel so the power source wasn't original either. Don't be scared of different fuel/eninges. Don't be scared of change. We will run out of oil one day - all those ICE cars won't become classics jusf because there is no fuel. We need change, we need cleaner air, we need to keep progressing or trying...

@@thebrowns5337 In Spain our scrapyards are filled with old cars with perfect working engines. ICE engines lasts forever if properly maintained, the car simply become just too old before the engine dies. Trucks however are all their life on the road and they run millions of kilometers.

5 minutes from arrival to leaving again.

You probably spent more time typing that than he did pulling into the garage

the industrial foundation of hydrogen creation is on the first steps,thats why its expensive

It is impossible for hydrogen to compete. Either you reformulate (I think that is the word) natural gas and have to pay the price of gas + the price of the energy used in the process + man hours to do so + energy to compress and liquify hydrogen + energy to transport it, which will obvious be much than what you pay for natural gas alone, or.... You will have to pay electricity to make the hydrolysis (a lot of electricity) + electricity to compress the hydrogen and liquify it + man hours to do it + energy to transport it which will always be much more than what you pay for electricity to directly charge you battery. So, unless the laws of physics are broken, hydrogen as a fuel for ordinary citizens won't be a thing, no matter what they tell you. It will work for very specific cases like the international trucking industry and that is it.

@@TheAllMightyGodofCod Unfortunally, it's something we will have to do, natural gas and oil is finite and can't be produced in all countries, electric vehicles have that big disadvantage of charging times and hard to fit big batteries for long travels, hydrogen it's practically unlimited and fixes the issue of time to refuel.

@@antcarhd1823 Charging time is decreasing massively, but people still lie about it. I heard someone say that the average EV takes hours to charge, when in reality it's 10 minutes on a supercharger

@@antcarhd1823 Charging time isn't a problem, people just don't think. "What if I am in a hurry in the morning?" Charge it at night... Anyways, the average EV today is actually better than the average ICE. Low charging prices (5$), More range (350-400 miles), more powerful, etc,

Thanks Juan! 🙏

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I have no idea tbh. Cooling it with a diesel generator would be special. 😅

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Cheap I’m not sure, I just see it as an alternative way of transportation next to electric & gas. Mainly for big cargo, not personal transportation.

Diesel, LPG or BEV.

Many popular H2 stations are now around $20/kg, to that's $20/70miles or $0.29/mi BEV in CA is $0.25/kWh @4 mi/kWh or $0.06/ mile if you charge at home

Tanks of either isn't a good measure because they tend have different ranges. Cost per distance is a better way to compare. In the US, H2 averages 25¢/mi, Gasoline is 9.4¢/mile (for an equivalent sized 40 MPG hybrid) and full Electric is 3.5¢/mi. Although depending on where you live and the car you bought. Many places offer a $15,000 fuel card to get things rolling if you buy a new FCEV so it's essentially free for the first 50,000 miles to fill up.

Ah really… damn. Thanks to let me know, it’s an automated translation, guess it messed up. 🫤

@@johnnypovdrives If you want, I can give you a hand on Portuguese subtitles. Edit: You're welcome. :)

it was an emergency brake, was a bit too enthusiastic on the brakes

EV are not going to be "future", even if you want them to be for unknown reasons.

@@divinehatred6021 What is going to be the future?

@@divinehatred6021 Wrong, they are the delayed past. BEVs are the present and going to just keep growing into the future. Sorry that is Harsh Reality regardless if you hate it.

I wish you can drive one soon! ✨🙏✨

Updated: I've got my license. 😄

Just to fill up the tank hydro is a bit cheaper not much tho around 10-20€ but still diesel is around 20-30€ more but you get double or more the range so in the end its cheaper to run a diesel car but then again prob no taxes on the mirai 🤷‍♂️

For me, H2 is $18/kg that gets a Mirai 67 miles or $0.27/mi. Gasoline is $3.70/gal or roughly $0.12/mi. Electricity is $0.14/kWh that gets 4 miles, or $0.035/mile or 8 times less. I have solar, so charging doesn't cost anything.

Gas, we don't have hydrogen here

I get about 400 miles off of my 5.0 V8 when I drive it like a normal guy, so about 30 mpg.

The rate of decay for the capacirors and battery is waaay lower for the Mirai

Yes I should and most of the time I do. For some reason I thought it was safe because I wasn't getting petrol... it was a late night. 🤦‍♂️

No it's not. Hydrogen has some commercial use, but the consumer market wont pay 3-4 times the running costs over plugging it in at home.

Some of these chargers are already at gasoline prices and will only rise when more BEVs are sold. Then you have the issue of households that live in complexes with no charge point whatsoever. They’ll have to go to a commercial provider and pay through the nose and wait their turn at a BEV line. No my friend hydrogen fuel cells is the future

@@illuminaughty2929 EVs have already won. It's not economically viable to build out the Hydrogen infrastructure, for those people that can't charge at home. They will have to get the bus.

​@@illuminaughty2929 didn't you see how expensive hydrogen is in the video? Not to mention hydrogen supply chain are more complex than electric.

​@@bltzcstrnx Have you seen how expensive EV charging is. Right up there with gasoline with less than 5% of total cars built are EVs. What can we expect the price to be when EVs make up 50% or more.... all waiting in line to charge up.

More like billions lol That's why the climate hoax agenda is working properly That's why the plandemic worked and people became programmed masked zombies Hope you are not one of them

Great info, still I'm most impressed by the fact u can get gas at 1.40€/L

@@sebs4938 price in Spain right now, though it has a temporary 20cent government discount till the end of the year

I think the Mirai owners will replace more 1.2 kWh batteries than a Kona's 64 kWh, because of degradation. I can swear that there is no thermal management for such a small battery that powers the car. And when that battery is down, you'll gonna get less and less out of your 5.6 kg H2 tank...

Hahaha, yes, I thought it was exploding 😅

Depends on the kind of driving. WLTP-range is ~650 km. Might be ~520 km with "average" driving. And 400-450 km on the highway?

Dat loopt er gewoon onderaan uit. Zie ook m’n andere Mirai video, daar toon ik het.

we do not have the mirai in sydney, they only exist in melbourne

Fossil fuels are not sustainable. As we getbthrough it pricescwill rise drastically. Bit of a shortsighted thought process you have there.

@@thebrowns5337 It is not a question about the suitability of fossil fuels. It is a question about the thermal efficiency of the two systems. Over 65% of the energy in a conventional motor running fossil fuels is lost to heat and friction. I was asking how this compares with a hydrogen fuel cell which is combined with an electric motor. I know fossil fuels are not sustainable.

@@bengt_axle Its more or less the same, given a 60% efficient combined cicle electricity generation - distribution looses - 5% looses in EV motor - 10% looses charging the battery - 10% looses discharging the battery.

I think we should test that. 🚀

@@johnnypovdrives keep me clear of it when it happens lol Hopefully the manufacturers took that possibility into account.

when your only application for a vehicle is to get to work.

That Hyundai concept car is sooo sexy and it’s a Hydrogen EV hybrid. I’m here for them to be honest

@@Maderasdesign yea, they set the bar with that concept car. I love that they used flat wheel caps for efficiency and made it look good.

Yep 🙃

That’s right, only California. Also because the Hydrogen infrastructure in the rest of the country just isn’t there.

That’s the price for being an early adopter I’m afraid… could be something in the future but they’re not there yet.