How to get 1000+ HP out of a 6-cylinder BMW/Toyota B58 engine with @PapadakisRacing

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Stephan Papadakis is an iconic name in drifting and drag racing. He has built some monster engines in his time. This week, he's taking Davin behind the scenes of his latest build, a B58 motor from a Toyota Supra that he is customizing to fit in a GR Corolla drift car. This straight-six will be pushing 1000 hp when all is said and done, and we can thank the Papadakis team enough for showing us the process.
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@IfindPortchPirates 27 дней назад

You can sense the tension of 2 master engine builders talking shop on how each personally works and gets it done. Love it.

@dangale6969 27 дней назад

Grabbing a beer and sitting in the hot tub for the next 1 hour and 8 minutes watching this, the Timelapse was incredible as always 👌

@JjNorf 27 дней назад

Beat you to it.

@invertedpolarity6890 27 дней назад

Yes, Hagerty. Much, much, MUCH more of this kind of content.

@ahwee77329 23 дня назад

as a bmw tech. the new engine is no longer honed cylinderical (its tapered). they called it form honing, which greatly reduced thermal distrotion at tdc and already reduced friction at bdc. also the top rod bearing ,they use irox coating for msa stop and go, which supply lubrication when engine is stopped . its coated red.

@MMOchAForPrez 16 дней назад

Steph actually mentioned the start/stop rod bearing coating before in his B58 VS 2JZ video, if I remember correctly. He said they were not thrilled with the reliability at the power levels and rotating speeds they run around the track, so he switched to a rod bearing without the coating. Pretty interesting stuff

@gothicpagan.666 День назад

Different requirements, it's the same difference as with the Vandervell vp2 brg. and something like Glacier tin alloy. Especially if they are running on a tuftrided or Nitrided crank. The Glacier will ultimately take more load, where as the Vandervell will take more damage and tolerate contamination to a far greater degree

@flyonbyya 23 дня назад

Gotta agree with papa.. 80’s 90’s Japanese service manuals were the BEST!

@TheScorpio32 27 дней назад

funny how an hour ago i was just rewatching the entire b58 engine series on Papadakis channel.

@ToastyCornFlakes 27 дней назад

Yes yes yes! Two of my favorite people in one video! Much love to Papadakis.

@StavTech 27 дней назад

Love this, Papadakis with the zero BS! Saying what doesn’t matter at all, which I agree with. So much is stories, and like he says, unless it’s proven to him, he ain’t doing it. ❤

@dalesmit7869 26 дней назад

It is stuff like this that reminds me, constantly... that I made a wrong career choice. Thank you Stephan and Devin, you guys are Masters!

@all-flat-engines 27 дней назад

Stephan Papadakis is an amazing engine builder. Love watching a modern build with a true expert.

@shifty1927 25 дней назад

Love how bmw is responsible for one of the best boosted inline 6 platforms around currently. As someone who boosted non turbo m5x/s5x engines in the early-mid 00s this makes me happy. Funny thing is we were the first to make 1000whp with a m52 back in like 2007 and that was like untouchable power. Nowadays thats normal.😂

@nickj2508 27 дней назад

13:00 brilliant discussion on torque, torque error and stretch. F=KX, K = Modulus of elasticity, X = stretch.

@pokepa 27 дней назад

An hour of video and I didn't scroll a second.Legends

@1mpur1ty 27 дней назад

11/10 episode!! Knocked it out of the park with this one gents, more episodes like this please!!

@GleepGlop2 27 дней назад

1 hour of a Papa masterclass, OK Hagerty, I'll bite.

@Sookigarage 27 дней назад

Love how they took it from the engine clean room all the way to FD Long Beach. Great video guys.

@tyrelirwin 27 дней назад

stephan is the GOAT

@lightmanek 27 дней назад

To think that my engine was rebuild with around 70% of precision shown here and it still held over 1000hp reliably for 2 years (now killed it with stone through oild radiator 😢). I run grandfather of B58 ... N54! I learnt a lot for my rebuild from first B58 engine build Papadakis did on his YT few years back - a goldmine of knowledge!

@ednis32 27 дней назад

The thumbnail says Papadakis but the channel says Hagerty. Couldn't click fast enough 1hour. Glorious

@pilotboy217 6 дней назад

Oh man go beat off to the thumbnail too why will ya

@g6et_wrx177 26 дней назад

Awesome collaboration. Thank you Papadakis Racing

@patbullard9276 27 дней назад

When I started the video I thought that I didn’t have time for an 1 hour and 8 minute video but I was wrong. Once I started I couldn’t stop. I enjoyed every minute and want to thank everyone for the production. Great job.

@rideepicdriveepic 26 дней назад

This was even better than I expected it to be. More uploads like these, please.

@moparedtn 26 дней назад

Thumbs up for *Davin* being such a gracious host.

@c987long 27 дней назад

Just incredible and informative! They are truly masters of their craft!

@TheEvilKenivl 27 дней назад

Kind Regards from Germany ✌️ Love it👍

@davidmiller1938 10 дней назад

One wonders how much slop finds its way into the factory setup and how much more reliability is achieved by this kind of attention to detail. Close enough ends up being sufficient but seeing what can be achieved is really eye opening! Thank you

@robin_marriott 18 часов назад

If Steph says “good enough” is good enough, then there’s no question.

@User85306 2 дня назад

This is petrolhead gold 🏅 Thank you guys! 🤩

@justamar 8 дней назад

16:40 a Twist-Ease 0.5, a man of refined taste.

@TML34 27 дней назад

This is therapy for Davin after the stress-inducing Subaru rebuild many months ago. 😂

@nooooooooooo6uoki67 26 дней назад

I gave this dude a thumbs up as he was roamin around formula d and this dude gave one me back I almost died. My buddy got a picture with him but still what a god among men yknow

@NomisChild1 15 дней назад

The break in oil question and his reaction were fantastic! Do remember he is going to have spare engines sitting ready to go. They don’t have time to break it in after rushing to put one in. Fill it full of fluids, and treat it how it’s going to be and he’s trusting it will be right and ready out of the gate. Both cars on his team are running this engine now so it’s been proven as much as it can but all of the big teams are like this.

@WyattWill 18 дней назад

I've been watching Formula Drift and other drift leagues for years, and Papadakis is pretty much the highest standard around the world for engine builders in drifting. Rarely do you ever hear of mechanical engine isssues with their built cars. After watching this video, it's clear why that is with how meticulous the engine building process is.

@Runningnthe90s 27 дней назад

Honestly id love to see papadakis do a crazy na straight 6 w his wild exhaust/intake setup

@AdinSLaboy 27 дней назад

Wow wow wow very good inf what a monster

@AdinSLaboy 27 дней назад

I downloaded this one and save it to my favorite videos

@iuranescitcuria 27 дней назад

Great video, thank you guys!😊🎉

@davidl9230 27 дней назад

19:08 i wonder if thermal expansion has something to do this more than torque load.

@kalebcalrow5556 22 дня назад

Love this so much, thank you @hagerty. Stephen P is so great at teaching, these longer well explained RU-vid videos are so refreshing compared to a lot of other “car RU-vidr” crap

@sebalduslorenz5098 27 дней назад

Hey Davin and Hagerty, what if You do a GoDevil Engine from a Willys Overland M38 ?! To make old Hero running smoothly again 😃 Great motor builds Guys!

@tormado 24 дня назад

Dude. Yes. Thank you, Hagerty.

@asylumville8544 27 дней назад

Another cool source of engine building info wascwhen Steve Dinan was on 'The Smoking Tire' Podcast a few years back. Talked about building the V8 for the BMW prototype cars and what it took to get the extra power while working within the rules.

@V8bgt 27 дней назад

A proper engine build. Love seeing Davin and Stephan nerding out. Couple of questions: In the same engine family of the B58 you have the more sports oriented S58. Why is the S58 not used for this application? Also Toyota has a very sturdy 3.5 V6 on the shelf. Why is that one not selected? Also surprising to see a manual gearbox in a drift car. Makes it a long drivetrain for a initial FWD car, makes lovely inline 6 noise though. Keep up the good work.

@rsjet 27 дней назад

B58 because it's still a Toyota product (since it's used in the Supra) while S58 is not. For your second question, I'm guessing either the Toyota V6 can't make that much power reliably and/or size constraints.

@TML34 27 дней назад

@@rsjetthe B58 is 0% Toyota, other than it sits in the engine bay of a Supra, which is also a BMW. Toyota didn’t manufacture a single part of a B58.

@iuranescitcuria 27 дней назад

I was also wondering why they don’t use the S58 instead of the B58. Well the B58 is a great engine anyway.

@rsjet 26 дней назад

@@TML34 Of course it is made by BMW, but it's put by Toyota in their car and even has a Toyota part number for every part. If they are trying to use Toyota parts, the Supra B58 is fair game, but the S58 is not.

@Leofred2000 26 дней назад

I doubt Toyota would sponsor them with the S58 since its not in their engine lineup (yet?)

@ss-fc2fh 23 дня назад

What a great ending. Many thanks for making this sort of content.

@ss-fc2fh 23 дня назад

Masters. What a great video. This is historical.

@cameronbrett5687 21 день назад

Great video, With these new alloy blocks with the sprayed on liners how does a normal machine shop bore and hone them?

@iliketorockrock 27 дней назад

Amazing content!

@CubanRider 18 дней назад

I hope to never have to tear into my B58, but sure enough I had to set one hour apart to watch this masterclass.

@SlickSniper3 20 дней назад

B58 is a fantastic motor, both stock and to build up on.

@giorgitkebuchava8868 24 дня назад

loved this video.. more tech talk plz..

@hitnorcal 22 дня назад

I love these engine build walkthroughs. I don't even build engines.

@kevin-jm3qb 25 дней назад

i love hagerty for this one.

@G-regular503 25 дней назад

So kinda like a crush washer for the cylinders. Beautiful engine

@bpintogsxr1000 22 дня назад

I think we all wish we could have Papadakis build our engines.

@johnw3996 27 дней назад

VERY VERY COOL,LOVE IT 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

@liboy34 8 дней назад

Hi It's cool to see a bmw engine rebuild.

@OngoGablogian-ku8xn 9 дней назад

Awesome content

@DougsMessyGarage 26 дней назад

This video reminds me of an old Hot Rod Magazine article "Know Your Enemy" I believe by David Freiburger. The quote went something like, "We have heard of guys squeezing 1000 hp out of their Supras but if you spent that much on a Rat (big block Chevy), you'd be capable pf spaceflight."

@anpredictable 19 дней назад

Finally waiting for Papa!

@Daniel-RunToRoyal 26 дней назад

Can't wait for a 7MGTE build.

@dhanjuanda0238 24 дня назад

Davin specialist V8 engine anda papadakis specialist B58 engine 🔥🔥

@blobcsgo7190 26 дней назад

super cool

@KaizenMotorsports 24 дня назад

Well said Steph! the people that still tell customers to break in an engine on some special oil, could be using sub par machine shops. also the break in tunes! LOL

@AllanMontoyaVillegas 17 дней назад

Kind of Video that you get chance to reinforce the appreciation of Combustion Engines

@ivegonemad 24 дня назад

The more I see papidakis talk about the b58 the more and more I want to swap one in my car, they are really good motors…especially on the Toyota side we haven’t had any come to the shop with engine issues…

@philipparana9225 25 дней назад

His theroy on the bore is probabu just how the tool operates to be fast. It is within spec so its not an issue.

@TheOystei 26 дней назад

Some of the topics they talked about, especially about block taper etc, would be super interesting to get something like a bmw engineer in to, if nothing else, explain why seemingly all blocks have tapered bores.

@greekpowerellas 23 дня назад

You Are All Crazy Guys, I Love Toyota

@JonHullock 23 дня назад

Modern top notch engineering meets old school engineering.

@D-DAY 17 дней назад

In relation to if manufacturers use a break in oil i doubt it. When we do a pre delivery inspection the oil level is always on the low mark just to save money .

@greatheightsu 27 дней назад

In-line engines are sexy.

@iuranescitcuria 27 дней назад

I love those engines!❤

@jake20479 22 дня назад

PAPADAKIS lets gooo

@solidsteal 18 дней назад

Ownership. This is when you can't help but be yourself.

@kenphilpot1903 27 дней назад

Kinda surprised we aren’t using lasers to get accurate measurements for clearances/ tolerance. Nothing wrong with taking measurements the old way and maybe it’s just not worth the price but at this level of performance I would think it would be somewhat more beneficial. Could also better account for wear at end of race season.

@Leofred2000 26 дней назад

Maybe cuz its Formula D and not Formula 1, meaning the money and the need for research is there imo

@1BlinkwithAngels82 20 дней назад

24:40 total seal is awesome

@MrBlackbutang 27 дней назад

Best efficient design inline cylinder layout . Only one better is odd number cylinders 5 or 7 cylinders

@spdcrzy 11 дней назад

19:00 I wouldn't be surprised if that's true. FEA has come a VERY long way in just 20 years - OEMs can DEFINITELY account for this kind of distortion and reverse-engineer it into the CNC program quite easily nowadays, IMHO.

@Evolution8R 27 дней назад

What product was he dabbing on the head nuts before he torqued them down? White bottle with blue label? Subbed and belled!

@jamiem9849 24 дня назад

I looked it up and the bottle seems to match ARP assembly lube.

@jefflamb5343 5 часов назад

In the video, he said he uses the CP Carillo assembly lube because it has given him better results than the ARP assembly lube

@JeffersonGomes87 27 дней назад

🔥🔥🔥

@Petesv321 20 дней назад

Tremendous video. Thank You

@justinmijnbuis 27 дней назад

if you mix a standard and an undersize bearing shell, wouldn't that be (ever so) slightly egg-shaped?

@jimmyaber5920 16 дней назад

The shells are oil distributors and the miniscule difference in std and plus or minus increment shells is so slight. There are many engines manufactured with selective fit mains. The old way was to make accepted clearance wider to reduce scrapping loose spec parts. With size range shells you can make up for blocks with honed bearing openings and crank journals that needed more polish finish to get acceptable journal dimensional quality. The selective shells allows the oil clearance to be optimal and not throw away blocks and cranks. Most main bearing fails wreck the crank and block and the extra work selecting bearings from a more expensive bearing kit is very rare, a new engine is installed.

@_Flguy76 9 дней назад

really great content for us engine nerds.. lol

@miltonmaxcruz2014 26 дней назад

Saludo de puerto rico👍👍👍👍

@seankeef9838 25 дней назад

Dom Spec. Ruler!

@jamesf2656 19 дней назад

Dom!!

@heyitsjel 8 дней назад

I'd take a guess that with the FEA they've run, the taper is probably due to the way the thermal properties (ie. distribution of temps) are around the block at operating temps (ie. top/bottom may run hotter/cooler than the alternative end due to things like the coolant/oil gallery design or even thermal mass of the block). As a result, there's probably a transition in terms of how much the bore expands across it's distance/length, so they're likely just accounting for that transition... ie. the tapered machining may result in the bores actually being pretty uniform/round at operating temps, across the length of the bore (TDC to BDC).

@bpoirier4 24 дня назад

This is remarkably similar to an M54 from 20 years ago with all the BMW special alignment tools lol

@andrewltz 25 дней назад

What are the best platforms for buying old race cars from Japan or crate motors to take apart or do you recommended to take it apart my step dad is older stelantis but he doesn’t wanna do to much like turbo ish or like anything best 500whp but he has forums and freinds and stuff

@adventurefamilyy 12 дней назад

Did you weight pistons before putting them into the block?

@AshLongie 5 дней назад

I always wondered, by putting the bearing thicknesses offset one big one small aren't you offsetting the crank ?

@andrewltz 25 дней назад

I’m looking for a rwd early yazuka chrome like the yazuka scarlets or old jdm race cars and 911s any recommendations I’m by Spokane Seattle area

@Swedish_John_Wick 23 часа назад

How is the balance in the car comparing 4 vs 6 cylinder engine ?

@mondo_stunts27 10 дней назад

The break in oil is actually able to bind to the metal chemically, intermolecular forces i believe. So the wearing that is happening initially is a microscopic chemical wearing, not as much mechanical wear I believe. Probably still not that necessary 100% of the time like you said.

@AshLongie 5 дней назад

Interesting about the torque plate and distorted cylinders

@brarautorepairs 26 дней назад

For a factory block, they have to pick a compromise. I don't think you can have a perfect mass produced engine. You'll have variation in production and hence you'll see some engines that put out different Dyno numbers than others. Also when a factory engine is assembled, you aren't checking every single clearance 10 times. You assemble everything and turn it. If it doesn't bind, send it. Direct injection plus port injection imho would be the best bet. Probably the tuner wants to cool the cylinder charge with fuel however this also slowly kills the engine, is less efficient and gasoline is a poor conductor of heat. Water meth injection works much better for cooling and is a fuel as well.

@setharcher5869 25 дней назад

They are running E85 so they get the cooling in the fuel.

@georgef1176 17 дней назад

That’s not the only BMW motor with that taper. They gotta be doing it on purpose.

@Formula1-Dave 6 дней назад

Oil gallery guys, not oil galley. Just my ocd flaring up 😅 as engine builders who pride themselves in paying attention to the details we should by now in 2024, know that it is called oil gallery.

@cobratuner 10 дней назад

I just want to know what torque wrench he’s using!

@CallMeSssnake 5 дней назад

Specs are just specs, the type of oil you use is goes with the given tolerances you use

@mmurzin1 26 дней назад

What ever happened with the Pantera?

@exothermal.sprocket 25 дней назад

Built for drifting. I can imagine how stout the acceleration would be on that chassis if it had a strengthened version of X-drive AWD for other motorsport.