How to get Italian citizenship through your great grandparents

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Italian Citizenship Podcast Ep. 17:
How to get Italian citizenship through your great grandparents.
In this episode of the Italian Citizenship Podcast hosts Marco Permunian (an Italian citizenship attorney)and content creator Rafael Di Furia talk about some of the specific processes that may come up for a person who wants to claim Italian citizenship through a great grandparent via Jure Sanguinis as an adult. Italian citizenship by descent is a subject that has been covered in the Italian Citizenship Podcast a number of times, but since one of the most common types of claimant would be the great-grandchild of someone who left Italy, we wanted to dedicate a specific episode of the Italian citizenship podcast to this subject.
00:00 Intro
01:10 What is the first step?
02:12 How to find the birthplace of your ancestor?
04:22 Issues with online records
06:20 Naturalization documents
08:41 July 1st, 1912
09:35 What if my ancestors didn’t come directly from Italy
10:30 1948 cases
10:20 Proving your lineage
12:50 Why can’t I apply directly through the Italian-born ancestor
14:05 Other important vital record documents
For help with the Italian citizenship process and more information about Italian Citizenship Assistance visit ICA's website
ItalianCitizenshipAssistance.com
To contact Italian Attorney Marco Permunian and his team of dual-citizenship experts and attorneys you can use the contact form on the Italian Citizenship Assistance website ItalianCitizenshipAssistance.com
#italianamericancitizenship #italiancitizenship #italiandualcitizenship #dualItaliancitizenship #iloveitaly #juresanguinis #jussanguinis

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@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 4 года назад

Please note: Both Marco and Rafael are respecting the orders of the Italian government and not meeting to record in person for the time being. This episode of the Italian Citizenship Podcast was recorded before the Italian lockdown and social distancing became necessary.

@gino007able 4 года назад

for those on the quest, I suggest you become a member of Gente di Mare Italian Genealogy they will help you get you the information you need as to dates times and how.

@AmeeraG242 2 года назад

Thank you !!

@americanladybug3354 3 года назад

Ty for posting these videos!

@KallipolisCracks06 Год назад

Wow, this is exactly the topic that I was looking for and definitely didn’t expect it podcast. Thank you. My great grandparent migrated from Sicily and Calabria, and I’ve always wanted to get dual citizenship. Didn’t know how common this was guess it makes sense with the early 1900’s. My Papa (grandparent) had citizenship in Italy as well

@KallipolisCracks06 Год назад

Papa’s side was from Calabria and Grandma’s was from Sicily.

@billbergendahl2911 10 месяцев назад

My maternal grandparents came from Nevelli, L' Aquila, Abruzzo in Italy. My grandfather, Sebastiano Bonifacio, was born in 1875. My grandmother, Maria Troiani Bonifacio, was born in 1888. It was through Ancestry DNA that I learned that my ancestors lived in that part of Italy at least since the 1700s.

@CC-br9qg 9 месяцев назад

most people in these comments aren't eligible. the line of citizenship has to be unbroken. it's actually a very slim population of people who would qualify. you parents had to have been eligible for citizenship

@dannydonnelly8198 2 года назад

My great grandfather was born in Naples in 1912 and immigrated to the US in 1917. He never received his US citizenship until the 1970's. I have the original copy of his birth certificate (from Italy) and his US naturalization papers. Due to my last name it's evident that my paternal lineage is from Ireland so I'd didn't know if I'd be wasting time applying or if it was worth a shot. I can can also provide my mother and grandmother's as well. Both were born before my great-grandfather naturalized.

@getitdone854 3 года назад

Problem I had years ago that is still not resolved for this process, is finding my great grand parents Marriage Certificate. I found the Birth Certificate from his Comune and I had his naturalization records. No problem on these fronts. But the Comunes around his birth area did not have a record for marriage. So I am frozen on what to do next. Anyone have any suggestions?

@sheria.5538 3 года назад

Any clues on how to get an appointment at the Italian Chicago consulate? No appointments seem to ever be available I have been trying for over a year?

@celestebennett1525 Год назад

How about great great grandparents

@joann2348 3 года назад

How can we research where our parents attended school in Italy if we have our grandparents birth certificates and our own parents ?

@cle63 2 года назад

Hi. I'm applying for citizenship through my grandfather, who became a naturalized citizen after my father was born. My daughter (who is NOT a minor) will also qualify through her great-grandfather following this line. I believe you mentioned that the application also needs the Birth Certificate for any of the applicants children. Will my application also cover my daughter at the same time or does she need to make a separate application. My appointment with the Consulate in Detroit is for September 2022 (I've been in line for about 1 1/2 years now) and would love to be able to have her receive her citizenship at the same time as mine.

@Blackenedsabbath Год назад

How far down the line can you apply I.E great great grand parent?

@richarddiloreto6655 3 года назад

Hello, I believe I can get dual citizenship through my GM/GF/M . GM and GF born in Sicily, naturalized in US 1930, my MOther was born in US 1917. So she was born before they were naturalized.(only thing is my mother married my father who became a US citizen before they were married, does this knock my mom out of my line? Also, I want to pass this down to my children. and also with my husband. 1) can my husband apply with me at my appt at consulate? 2) my adult children will have to apply separately - same documents; however my son served in US military - does that knock him out?

@jetlaggedchef6806 Год назад

I was trying to apply via my great grandfather but I was told that I would not qualify because none of my ancestors applied to "maintain" their citizenship before 1992. Does that sound right to you?

@helenasavaryboulos2220 2 года назад

My grand-parents (maternal) are italian, migrate to Haïti and never naturalized; can i become easily and right away italian?

@francinemoloney2527 4 года назад

What if you can't find records because of war. I also heard Italians are not so good keeping records. Is this true? No offense. I just want my heritage back & move to Sicily.

@LayDiiLucK11 4 года назад

Hello! So My Great Grandfather emigrated from Licusati, Campania, Italy on July 23,1923. My grandfather was born IN Italy on November 28, 1927 and came to America on April 14, 1930. My great grandfather submitted his Declaration of Intention on April 4, 1932 and received his certificate September 22, 1932. Due to my grandfather being born in Italy and being a young child I have heard that he would have naturalized with his father. Would this remove any lineage for Italian Citizenship or because he did not voluntarily declare his Naturalization due to age would it continue?

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

No, your grandfather would have not lost his Italian Citizenship since this was after 1912.

@davidlyf2508 2 года назад

Question, my great grandfather, born in Italy, naturalized in the US in the 1920s. My great grandmother, his wife, Came to the US in 1928 and had my grandfather in 1930. However, my great grandmother didn’t get naturalized until 1940. Does that help in regards to eligibility??

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 2 года назад

Yes, you seem to have a 1948 case. We made several videos on on the topic and there is detailed information on our website. Feel free to contact us through our website for more information or for assistance

@TiVi_br87 2 года назад

I am a fourth gen sicilian decent. My great grandparents who Iv never met came here and had registered at ellis Island. Our last name was different when they came here but the spelling was changed, I guess to make it easier for Americans to say. But my grandfathers parents were from Palermo Sicily, my dads moms side of the family were from Calabria. Would my family, meaning myself, brother and mother and father, (who is third gen italian) be eligible for getting a citizenship? All relations are on my dads side, my mom has background in Ireland.

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 2 года назад

Hello! Please contact us through our website for a free assessment of your case as the info alone you provided is not sufficient to establish eligibility. We look forward to hearing from you

@amomentwithlife1557 3 года назад

Thank you so much for all the great information you have in this channel. I have a question : my husband is putting together all the documents he needs to get the Italian citizenship though his great grandfather and apply this year. But my son is 17 years old. What will happen when he will become 18 if my husband has not yet get the Italian citizenship. Can my son still get the Italian citizenship?? Thank you so much for your help.

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

your son will have to apply himself. But depending on which consulate your son may be able to go together as long as you all live in the same household

@CC-br9qg 9 месяцев назад

most people in these comments aren't eligible. the line of citizenship has to be unbroken. it's actually a very slim population of people who would qualify.

@GiuseppeNataleDiCristiano Год назад

A proposito di domanda di cittadinanza italiana per discendenza: Davvero non capisco prorio perché un richiedente sceglierrebbe di usare una linea di discendenza che risale ai nonni, sinche' a quanto ho capito io, si deve provare che il proprio padre non si è mai naturalizzato (esempio nella USA) prima della nascita dello stesso ricorrente. Per cortesia ICA, mi spiega.

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance Год назад

Salve Giuseppe, la domanda va presentata a partire dall’avo nato in Italia. Quindi nel caso di genitore nato in Italia la linea di discendenza va provata a partire dal genitore. In caso di avo nonno o bis nonno nato in Italia va provata la linea di discendenza a partire dal nonno o bis nonno rispettivamente

@francinemoloney2527 3 года назад

What happens if you buy a one euro house or more & you want to live in Italy full time & you sold your other home. That is the point to move to Italy permanently. What happens. Also, can you later be asked to leave & what would make that happen. I heard something about that. I hear so many things my head is spinning. Can you help please. Grazi Francesca Marino

@forzajuve4845 Год назад

the way I understand it, owning a house in italy will only help towards the financial requirements needed because it lessens your income needed to be self sufficient to live in italy..people that buy the property first , which they suggest you do, still have to leave and come back after 3 months

@amilcarschettini5290 4 года назад

My great grandfather was born in 1893 and he had my grandfather in 1917 in the West Indies. He went back to italy in 1920s.Do i qualify for citizenship?

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 4 года назад

Please send us an email, we’ll be happy to evaluate your case free of charge. You’ll find out contact info on our website italiancitizenshipassistance.com

@dogguy8603 Год назад

Ok so I am in a odd position, my great grandmother and my great great grandfather left Italy and settled in the US, the problem is my great grandmother naturalized but my great great grandfather did not, and on US census records its just labeled as initial paperwork, can me or my family claim Italian citizenship?

@CC-br9qg 9 месяцев назад

no. most people in these comments aren't eligible. the line of citizenship has to be unbroken. it's actually a very slim population of people who would qualify.

@barbaragalliera9846 3 года назад

All my Great Grandpants only census records and their children’s birth and death records and every one only says their from Italy, then what?

@americanworldsuperbi Год назад

So... I went to the town of Teggiano where my great grandparents are from. When I ask the comune for help the man said... Cosa Voi fare qui.. and I said... Voi iniziare Cosi... Buono... They were no help at all. Then when I asked for my residency the asked for my permesso di sorgiono... It's a circle that continues forever. Can you please help me?

@forzajuve4845 Год назад

its permesso di soggiorno ..italian residency

@JCBeBe31 5 месяцев назад

My Nanny’s family still lives in Italy and my nanny kept ALL of her parents records. My great grandfather was born in Northern Italy in 1881. My nanny was born in 1916. Her parents and their three minor children came thru Ellis Island in 1920. I have confirmed with local records here my Nanny was naturalized with her parents in the late 20’s. He died in 1933. Since my nanny was naturalized as a minor, with no choice, does this remove the line of lineage through great grandfather? Or can I still qualify through my great grandfather. I know my nanny is not a direct qualified line since her parents naturalized her with them.

@JCBeBe31 5 месяцев назад

I don’t think one could consider a minor child as voluntarily naturalizing. She had no choice. Would that mess up the next in line?

@christinagallo416 4 года назад

I've been researching all over and one thing I can't find info about is any considerations to take about great grandparents who "americanized" their names after arriving in the US? For example, Giovanni changed to John - does that matter if it's the clear English equivalent? Does it require more documents? What if the name wasn't officially changed and they just began using it on official documents? Apologies if there is a video about this :) Would you mind directing me to it if there is?

@terijohnson9355 3 года назад

Did you ever get an answer on this? I have many name questions. Or, did you find a video?

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

Depends on the consulate. Some do not care while other will want you to make an amendment to the documents or even get a court order changing a name.

@francinemoloney2527 4 года назад

My grandfather was born in Palermo. How do I find out. What do I have to do. Please help if you can. Thank you in advance.

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 4 года назад

Please send us an email, we’ll be happy to evaluate your case free of charge and let you know how we can assist. You’ll find out contact info on our website italiancitizenshipassistance.com

@francinemoloney2527 4 года назад

@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance Hi Marco & Rafael. I can't thank you two enough. That's the kindest thing anyone has ever done for me, ever. I'm going crazy. I'm not very computer savvy. Both my grandparents were born in Palermo. My grandfather 's name is Salvatore Marino, my grandmother's name was Ignacia. Not sure of spelling. It means Nancy. Her last name is Di Lorenzo. Only one marriage. My father was born in Brooklyn, NY . My mother's maiden name is Ericson. Or ck. Not sure. I have some more info. My dad & mom had to get passports so we had to do some paper work to. My sister has it. Both my husband & mom recently passed away. I want to live full time in italy. It has won my heart. Thank you for whatever little you can do. I appreciate it. Warm Regards My email is fmchef98@aol.com. I try to write what you say, but I'm not fast enough or know Italian. Whatever you can do. I'm sure your busy. Or just give me a list of what I have would be much appreciated.

@lisaparys4976 4 года назад

I got mine through my bisnonno and then I got assigned to his comune. I guess that's how they do it when you're "living abroad."

@suzannederringer1607 3 года назад

This is how they will do it for me. I will be assigned to my Greatgrandpa's little Town in Abruzzo. When I get that far!

@rydiaofmist 2 года назад

And how was the process for you? My mom is on her quest through her great grandfather that was born in Genova but shes still trying to find his death certificate and a way to prove that he didnt naturalized. Thank you so much

@lisaparys4976 2 года назад

@@rydiaofmist not too bad. Of course, it helps that I speak, read, and write Italian. The thing that took the longest was getting the naturalization certificate from the US government. Fortunately, when I made the appointment with the consulate in LA they told me about this and advised me to start with this.

@user-pw6bg4vz8d 4 месяца назад

It sounds like my great grandfather naturalized before my grandfather was born. Does that mean I’m not eligible for citizenship by decent? 😅

@barbaragalliera9846 3 года назад

What if they were born between 1850 and 1865?

@forzajuve4845 Год назад

has to be after 1912

@sheria.5538 3 года назад

Is a copy of the letter from Immigration sufficient? They said that the agreement with Italy means that the copy with the envelope is required? Can you confirm?

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

you need the actual letter with the seal, not a copy

@LynAnthonylifeinthePhilippines 2 года назад

Does my great grandfather on my moms side qualify ?

@erinmccrickets4700 Год назад

Did you get an answer to this question? We looked into this 30 years ago (father's maternal line) and the consulate said no, but we are trying to find out if it has changed.

@forzajuve4845 Год назад

according to another video I saw online they are allowing the maternal side too ..I believe italy changed the law per equal rights

@dianad.5312 2 года назад

Is Rafael the one that voices the intro? such a sexy voice.

@yournotthatimportant1032 2 года назад

Can you become a cutizen if your great grandparent was from italy remained in italy but your grandfather was birn in Italy but came to America on Ellis island we have the Ellis island data

@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance 2 года назад

Yes if all the other eligibility requirements are met. Contact us at info@italiancitizenshipassistance.com for more information.

@grassytramtracks Год назад

I hoped to get it, but it turns out that my great grandmother naturalized in France before my Grandmother was born. Never mind though, I can still get French citizenship and a French passport via my mother, so I can enjoy freedom of movement in the EU, including Italy

@CC-br9qg 9 месяцев назад

most people in these comments aren't eligible. the line of citizenship has to be unbroken. it's actually a very slim population of people who would qualify.

@AzimuthTao 4 года назад

I'm almost glad that I don't qualify for the jure sanguinis. That's waay too much legwork and documentation to dig up for citizenship.

@alegriasiempre1513 3 года назад

funny you have a video about, parents anf great grandparents but none for grandparents....???

@CaydeeRey 2 года назад

Because grandparent would be the same as great grandparent just - one line

@ahall6091 Год назад

Can you apply through great -great grandparents

@Blackenedsabbath Год назад

I’ve read that you can. But would like an official to confirm that

@ahall6091 Год назад

@@Blackenedsabbath yes I looked into it going to cost over ten grand, crazy

@Blackenedsabbath Год назад

@@ahall6091 which site did you get this info from?

@ahall6091 Год назад

@@Blackenedsabbath The same one represented on this RU-vid channel, Italian Citizenship Assistance.

@Blackenedsabbath Год назад

@@ahall6091 excellent! Thank you

@GCiambrone 3 года назад

Does the process differ if your ancestor was female?

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

Yes, totally different. Look into 1948 citizenship cases

@rhonddanetherton8718 Год назад

I know my great grandfather was born prior to 1860 and this will not help getting Italian Citizenship

@NigelHyphenJones 4 месяца назад

Correct…. Italy as a state did not exist

@loutonacca5919 3 года назад

Don't forget that when Italians came to the USA in order to be an American citizen you needed to resigned your Italian citizenship. So because of that you don't qualify for Italian citizenship.

@matthewrichards9578 3 года назад

Does not mean their dependent lost their citizenship.

@CC-br9qg 9 месяцев назад

most people in these comments aren't eligible. the line of citizenship has to be unbroken. it's actually a very slim population of people who would qualify. this is true. especially those with grandparents between 1948 and 1992. post WWII emigrates of Italy are punished if they followed the law and naturalized in another country. very strange on italy's part as that excludes lots of young people today with verifiable heritage , and Italy is a dying country with the 3rd oldest population.

@user-pw6bg4vz8d 4 месяца назад

It sounds like my great grandfather naturalized before my grandfather was born. Does that mean I’m not eligible for citizenship by decent? 😅