Certainly more cruel than just staking him outright. How many days/weeks did it take for Cazador to reduce Astarion to that pitiful creature? Cazador got a far kinder death than he deserved in this scene. Must be one of the few times when I felt compassion for a zombie. Never seen lore on zombification of someone already undead...
I never met Astarion in this playthrough.. AO in Act 3, I simply rushed towards Cazador's lair hoping Astarion would be well. Yes, I wanted to punish Cazador more than just a stab but this was all I could do. Couldn't help comparing the book reading scene with living Astarion.
I imagine Cazador would have had him alive for the ritual given the option. I like to think Astarion died free and was only recovered in death, already decaying by the time Cazador found him. It's at least some solace.
@@ANPC-pi9vu Not a likely explanation because of the tadpole. The illithid tadpoles leave the host's brain upon the death of the host, if the tadpole is not destroyed at the same time. Destroying something inside a medium sized humanoid, without destroying the head of the host, that is extremely hard. If Astarion was killed but the tadpole left alive, the tadpole would have exited the brain. If this was at nighttime, the body would have had a few hours to attempt to regenerate naturally as vampires do, before the sun would have reduced it to ash. Plus what can kill a vampire spawn are things like decapitation, staking, fire, acid or sun. Those would have been visible on the corpse, if not utterly destroyed by the sun. Once the tadpole was out, the ability to regenerate injuries and sunlight vulnerability would have returned at full power. The damage on the zombie suggests flaying of skin, which was a torture method, practiced by Cazador, that Astarion had mentioned. So my bleak assessment is likely the more accurate.
@@ANPC-pi9vu Oh... oh no. Uh... don't look up what actually happened. This is just a rando zombie he grafted his tattoo one while he ran away to Faerun Disneyland upstate. Yup thats it. /denial
This is even more cruel than it already is, given how Astarion went outta his way to maintain his sense of fashion & remain dandy despite literally living in squalor & tortured almost on a daily basis for 200 years, & now being forced to exist as such a hideous monster & being made aware of it the whole time.
So, thinking about why Cazador is able to use a zombified spawn for his ritual but if we kill Caz or the siblings, we don't have the same option to do that for an AA ritual... the implications are horrible... that the corpse is not only re-animated, but the soul bound inside it. I don't know if that's how zombies normally work in D&D necromancy... I kind of doubted it... thought the soul was gone and they are just almost mechanical in their reanimation. But no, poor Astarion has to still be trapped in that rotting corpse, and all he has to look forward to if you free him is the Wall of the Faithless. Ugh
nah , i'd revivify him ,and leave him there , rather then take him back to the camp. That's even crueler. Deserved honestly , becuase astarion is a shithead no matter the route u take with him
This is the CLOSEST I've been to crying when seeing any part of Astarion's story. I'm not exclusively his fan, but this is... this is just..... I CAN'T
I thought he was walking aimlessly but when I saw him making his way towards his would be camp... words fail me to describe the feeling. It was like recruiting him without ever meeting him.
@@tea_illuminaty я ярый противник его анимации в течений всей игры. читать я люблю но время от времени я хотя бы разминаюсь. а не стоя читаю. глупая анимация раздражает.
Imagine if you could recruit Astarion as a zombie: "Hey Astarion, now that Cazador is dead, want to help us beat the Absolute?" "*Dignified Gurgling*" "Great! Welcome to the team!"
Hello, thank you for this video because I would never have the courage to do that to my favorite vampire ! 😂 I have a request, could you show us the different versions of Cazador's diary? The one in the room with Vellioth's skull? I know there are at least three versions of the text. I was always curious to see what Cazador wrote when Astarion was delivered to the Gur hunter in Act I ? Poor Astarion 😅
Oh.. He wasn't delivered to the Gur hunters - He was completely ignored, never met with till now. This is the first time I've set my eyes upon him and tried to talk to him in this playthrough and tried to recruit him.
My mind refuses to believe that a creature so cunning and beautiful could turn into something so rough and exposed. It's like he never was the man we met at the beach 😂. Just imagine what he went trough until he get here at this stage. It also happened when I killed him and left him instead of inviting him in my group. Maybe they scooped out his remains and delivered them to Cazador. Now I wonder what would happen if I kill him, but keep his corpse in my inventory, hmmm
Thanks, I was totally in need of something shattering my heart in a million pieces today and will be 100% OK for the rest of the day, never thinking about this again for one second... 😭😭😭
Of course he likes to read! He's a zombie they like brains. I was alwats quite fond of himself when he was a vampire, it's only natural he'd like to continue liking himself.
Now I wonder if you keep the Scroll of True Resurrection from when Gale dies whether or not you can bring him back the way he was. Or is that just a 5e thing? 😅
My latin is a bit rusty so take the comment with a grain of salt! "Consummatum" is the word from which we get consumated, meaning sealed or finished. Est is just "Is", meaning Consummatum Est means "[It] is finished". Ego in this case doesn't mean ego, but "I". Cecidi in this case has multiple meanings, but the closest direct translation in English is "Cease", in this regard meaning ceasing to exist or be alive. In essence, the full translation would be "It is finished, I cease to be".
@@SkycometAnimeVamp Consummatum est are Christ's last words before dying, in the Latin Vulgate. This was the bible used by catholic priests before regular people were allowed to read scripture for themselves. So not only is he comparing himself and his fate to that of Christ's, but he's doing it in the most elitist way possible. Self aggrandizing to the last, haha
I just wanted to see what happens to Astarion if I never recruited him. This part was a shock to me that he ended up as a zombie. I simply wanted to provide this pale elf a home where I could at least know he's alive in a different way but at least free from Cazador.
oh my god, this broke me... I'm just in tears, it's unbearable, no one deserves this, but knowing the history of Astarion this causes me even more damage... I just went into my game again to look at him alive and happy in the epilogue
I'm glad this video made you to go in-game to see how's the pale elf is faring in the epilogue. I'm also very much impressed by the content your new-found channel has created. I love it ☺.
@@kapitainein thank you very much, I am very pleased that you paid attention to my work!) I am grateful to you for the video, I definitely would not have done such an experiment myself 🖤🤍
@@kapitainein "That's it my dear pet. Feed on the knowledge of books. Your blood drinking days may be over but the hunger is never ending." Or you know, "Suck the milk of knowledge from daddy's books." Either way.
I played a bad guy with good intentions, I helped Astarion ascend(because I'm a good friend) then immediately betrayed him because he had become too powerful.
Astarion had to be killed because Cazador couldn't "command" him anymore because of the mind flayer worm. You can choose to resist the Staff Cazador yields if played as Astarion. Another reason could be that Cazador simply punished Astarion and crossed the limit where the pale elf could not take it anymore and eventually died. Therefore Cazador raised the dead elf into a zombie to complete the ritual.
@@Senok13 but the shadow cursed undead don't change their form to the zombie form. That's why you can 'get the drider as a follower' with ... I think it's the paladin command dead? I'd think a vampire of Cazador's standing should have access to such an ability, seeing as Lord Astarion can summon undead that aren't zombified by the time of the final battle But Cazador is also a complete sadist (despite them trying to soften him up a bit in act 3), so I could see him being amused by the idea of turning Astarion into a grotesque zombie just because it would horrify him.... on a separate note though, i would think if they found his body and then turned that into a zombie the soul wouldn't be present, and therefore he shouldn't be able to be used in the ritual.
is this what happens if you ignore astarion completely? i had no idea! i’m doing a duo run with my gith and lae’zel and not recruiting anyone else, but i might have to bring in zombie astarion just for the hell of it 👀
If you wish for a full gith party, you can ask Withers for some... "Mercenaries", i think that word will suffice. They doesn't have any special speach option though.
He'll stay with you at 1 camp only. It is advised to unlock the Inn Rest location so you can see him again. As he's not a living uh .. elf anymore, he'll not show up in the Epilogue.
As Lae'Zel fought Cazador, the King or Rituals, he opened his Domain "Ascenscion Ritual of the thousand spawns" but Lae'Zel, due to her heavenly Restriction, is immune to the Domain's Sure Hit effect as she does not count as a living being for the sake of the domain and she managed to snuck behind him and stab him in the chest with her sword. As the vampire laid down being exorcized, Lae'Zel looked at him and said "Stand proud Cazador, you were strong"
Just revived zombie Astarion in camp after reading this again. I don't know why it's not working out in your case. Larian Studios usually makes it clear which bugs/game elements got patched.
@@kapitainein While I've gave him to a hunter I discovered the gour camp empty, only the hanter was in here and he attacked me immediately, I killed him then kiled Casador, took the Astarion zombie in my pocket and tried to revive in the camp, but "he can't be revived". Maybe i did smth wrong?
So glad I didn’t find this out myself. I mean, I didn’t have a plans of ever leaving him behind on a playthrough like I have with Wyll, Karlach and Lae’zel, but now I *definitely* don’t! My poor baby 😭
The answer is no. He'll stay at one camp only. So it's advised to unlock the Tavern/inn rest location where you can find Astarion again and again. It would be good if Withers somehow resurrect him completely.
I don't like him, probably the character I dislike the most in this game. But even so this fate was...well... Oh, who am I kidding, now that I know this happens I am definitely letting this happen to him everytime I play the game from now on 😂.
1. приставил нож к горлу. 2. высосал всю кровь. хоть и обещал не переходить черту. 3. просто ушел не извинился видимо воскрешение там в порядке вещей. 4 его неодобрения добрых поступков 5. убил гурца на болоте. 6. убил тысячи собратьев ради вознесения и тд. вы все еще ему сочувствуете? он фрик
А ты поставь себя на его место. Тебя избили до полусмерти, тебе дали шанс стать бессмертным, чем ты и воспользовался, потому что не хочешь умирать в канаве. Тебя использовали 200 лет, тебя пытали, с тебя сдирали кожу, происходило сексумльное насилие (Астариона заставляли все эти годы ухаживвть за будущими жертвами Казадора. А если он отказывал кому-то отдавать свое тело для использывания, то его пытали снова.). Тебя даже нормального питания лишили, лишь бросали дохлых крыс перед лицом. Любой человек бы уже сломался спустя несколько дней такой "жизни". Всю эту ненависть ко всем и желание быть всемогущим можно легчайше объяснить, если ты хоть чуть-чуть углублялся в Астариона, как в персонажа. К тому же, он меняется по сюжету игры и его судьба зависит лишь только от игрока
@@lazyanimator8168 ну вот видишь сам описал что все это сломало его психику и он стал фриком. а вознесенным он становится ужасен. есть вариант его исправить это кол в сердце когда он нарушает доверие и готов тебя высосать досуха. и упокоить его истерзанную душу.
@@daviddj5655 . Астарион никогда не вёл себя, как псих. Да, он жестокий, но я уже описал, почему он стал жестоким. Почти все компаньоны имеют у себя тараканов в голове, но почему-то Астарион лишь виноватый. Шедоухарт пытала собственных родителей, Лаезель с детства воспитывали как машину для убийств, Уилл вообще заключил сделку с дьяволом. И виноваты все в этом окружающие их люди. Также, как и с Астарионом. Вознесенный Астарион боится потерять гг, потому что до сих пор чувствует страх. Ему страшно, что его могут лишь могущества, страх, что его кто-то снова будет пытать. Здесь проблемы с головой, но я уже писал, что САМ ИГРОК может изменить СУДЬБУ Астариона. Из него можно спокойно сделать "героя"
@@amberh709yeah… trauma just excuses shitty attitude….and everyone should just be nice to me even though i am an ass just cause Trauma….he brought this on himself. The “redeemed” astarion felt disingenuous….like a lie he told us to think he “changed”.
