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How to Homelab - Laptops as Servers?! 

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In the latest episode of "How to Homelab", we take a look at the concept of using laptops as servers, and I give you my thoughts. It might just be a crazy enough idea to work!
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@umka7536
@umka7536 3 года назад
I bought ASRock A300 system for AMD Ryzen CPUs and installed Proxmox there. It has enough power for labs and experiments. You tutorials are of a great help. Thanks a lot for your work!
@BlockchainShango
@BlockchainShango 3 месяца назад
Oh my goodness gracious! Thank you very much! This video is a TREMENDOUS help with my attempts to get familiar with the ins and outs of a career pivot. Take care
@leeh.1900
@leeh.1900 3 года назад
This is cool...i am in the middle of creating my first laptop server. Thanks Jay!
@sfengineering8142
@sfengineering8142 3 года назад
Thank you for this content... well outlined and ready to follow
@hasnomoney1800
@hasnomoney1800 Месяц назад
I was legit going to do this on my Thinkpad business laptop, great minds think alike
@RandyHanley
@RandyHanley 3 года назад
If you ever offer online classes, I'd be interested in paying tuition to learn some material / ask questions ,etc.
@kirksteinklauber260
@kirksteinklauber260 3 года назад
Gr8 video!! Can you do a video on how High Availability and automatic failover needs to be configured proxmox cluster for VMs
@cryptohobo4589
@cryptohobo4589 3 года назад
Nice I've been looking for something to do with my old laptop and NUC
@mackiebthatsme7287
@mackiebthatsme7287 2 года назад
Are you logging in to the GUI, on the same laptop as the PVE? - if so how do you get the web browser up from the PVE?
@ffp3
@ffp3 3 года назад
It's so funny, I just build a server out of my laptop 1 day before pre-view of this video appeared on Patreon :) I've used my old Lenovo T460p for those purposes.
@mirshakilR
@mirshakilR 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
@johnlug9655
@johnlug9655 3 года назад
Perfect timing. Can you model Virtual LAMP or PERN stack pieces?
@le_travie7724
@le_travie7724 3 года назад
Hi Jay, I'm planning to build a ryzen home server so I can load something like proxmox on. Any motherboard recommendations?
@hugoa4064
@hugoa4064 3 года назад
a friend of mine gave me a HP ML370 G6 tower server and I'm planning to make it a homelab but I don't know how or where to start, can you give me some advices? thank you
@theena
@theena 3 года назад
Before I actually followed your Ubuntu server tutorials, I was looking to buy an old second hand tower to work as a server. My cousin (who works in IT contract work for Canadian military) told me 'nah dumbass, just use an old laptop' (not exact words but the spirit of his suggestion). So I installed Ubuntu server on an old Asus XJ15 laptop. Its battery has conked out, it has a spinning hard disk, only 8GB of RAM, and running a i5 5th gen. It works like a charm for my nextcloud and plex server instances. The only issue is that the server dies every time I have a power cut, and it can't handle 1080p video without seriously overheating, but for music and simple nextcloud instance, you can't beat it.
@vgamesx1
@vgamesx1 3 года назад
You really should put it and your main computer on a UPS (Uninterruptible power supply), it doesn't just protect against power loss, it also protects against data loss/corruption for example if it were writing data as it lost power, and it also protects it from things like brownouts or lighting, they might be rare events but spending ~$50 or so now can save you hundreds on replacing hardware or wasting hours trying to recover data, plus you can often find quite good used ones very cheap as people end up just tossing them out when the battery dies, granted a lot of them do appear to be dead when the battery goes out, but a simple battery swap will fix them most of the time.
@andrevanvlaanderen6666
@andrevanvlaanderen6666 3 года назад
Great tutorial, as always !! I'm using two old laptops as servers. Be aware of the accu !!!! Of you keep them 24/7 connected the accu WILL die. So i use a timed powerplug to switch of the power a few hours at night. So the accu stays healty and does the job when it needs to, in case of a powerdown.
@alexxx4434
@alexxx4434 2 года назад
Wanted to point out the same thing! Keeping Li-Ion batteries at 100% is harmful to them. Some of the laptops have a (BIOS/software) setting to switch max charging capacity to 50%. That way you get an UPS functionality while not killing the battery.
@hidde3454
@hidde3454 3 года назад
Im gonna finish my main proxmox at some point until I do I’m actually using an old laptop without a screen for proxmox it doesn’t have great cpu performance but it has 2X500gb hdd and a 120gb ssd for proxmox/ISO’s and 12 gb ram
@henrik2117
@henrik2117 3 года назад
Great video!
@jivanmainali1742
@jivanmainali1742 3 года назад
How do virtual machine server assigned a public ip
@ArchivistsEndeavors
@ArchivistsEndeavors 2 года назад
I have an old dell 610 that I got running zorin os ... It runs pretty smooth but maybe this would be a nice project for it ...
@coop4422
@coop4422 3 года назад
I installed Ubuntu server 20.04 on a Dell Latitude E5520 laptop. The install went fine but I can't get the display to blank after time or when the lid is closed. As a server, I do not want the display active continuously. Mostly I will be using ssh to manage the server. Any suggestions?
@Aera223
@Aera223 15 дней назад
Look for a setting to blank display after inactivity (not sleep mode)
@herb2181
@herb2181 3 года назад
Awesome content
@nauolin
@nauolin 3 года назад
My only concern about this, is the heat produced by the laptops under high demand. Even one single task runing in the servers could rise the temps significally. it's an affordable option now that the 4 or 5 years old premium laptops are a bang for the buck. But i'd prefer a tiny pc for about the same price. Better cooling solution, more ram and storage.
@Aera223
@Aera223 15 дней назад
I've run mprime on my laptop server once, it kept up well tho cpu limited itself a little. (For the gaming laptop, manual limits on the cpu were needed coz it shutoff after running mprime at default speed)
@bertnijhof5413
@bertnijhof5413 3 года назад
I have a kind of cluster between my laptop and my desktop. I use Virtualbox and Ubuntu as Host. Both hosts run from ZFS and I use the "send | ssh receive" to move my VMs from desktop to laptop once a week. I moved all my "work" to VMs. I have exactly the same environment (VMs) at home (desktop) and on the road (laptop). The VMs are: - a Xubuntu VM for communication, so Transmission, Email, WhatsApp, KDE-Connect etc, the only VM with open ports and the only one always loaded; - an Ubuntu VM for experiments and trying new Apps; - an encrypted Ubuntu Mate VM for banking and PayPal; - an Ubuntu Studio VM for multimedia; - a Manjaro VM for browsing the internet, a clone that can be destroyed and re-cloned at any moment; - a Windows 10 Pro VM. Note that I have extensive ZFS snapshots on the desktop up to one year, while on the laptop I maintain only one month of snapshots, caused by the difference in storage sizes. Desktop 512 GB nvme SSD and 1536 GB of HDDs and laptop 1 TB SSHD. My laptop is a Sandy Bridge i5; a HP Elitebook 8460p with 8GB, my desktop is a Ryzen 3 2200G with 16GB. On my desktop I can run 2 Windows VMs or 4 Linux VMs at the same time. I have only two hands to feed the beast, so 2 or 4 that is enough.
@megastarling
@megastarling 3 года назад
I've gotten similar setup and was working with Virtualbox for years, but more than a year ago I moved everything to KVM (staying with Ubuntu Server as a host). The performance boosted - both for Linux and Windows client machines. The main problem for me is the unified desktop "access method". For now, Spice is fine, but sometimes there are clipboard problems. RDP works great for Windows guests, but installing reliable RDP server on different Linux desktops is a nightmare. I do not consider commercial or closed source methods.
@bertnijhof5413
@bertnijhof5413 3 года назад
@@megastarling I tried QEMU/KVM too, but for me it still has too many issues with; 3D graphics support; the correct CPU support and Windows with respect to activation and some drivers from 2014. True the KVM performance used to be better, mainly the disk IO was faster. However I run the Host from ZFS, so ~97% of my disk IO is served from the lz4 compressed L1ARC (4 GB memory cache with now 6.7 GB of content), so you can't get much faster :) I don't use a server, but my Host OS is a minimal install of Ubuntu. Gnome makes it easy to switch between full screen VMs.
@darrenmaher7995
@darrenmaher7995 3 года назад
Looking to buy a laptop that was used as a server. Is this hard on a laptop
@fuseteam
@fuseteam 3 года назад
wait, with this set up the data isn't replicated between the two?
@tokoiaoben3842
@tokoiaoben3842 3 года назад
please do a video series on ZFS freenas or truenas
@deaft_shot4489
@deaft_shot4489 Год назад
i brought some damaged/broken t430's i plan on making a plex media/Minecraft server out of one planed specs: i7 2nd gen (4 cores) 16 gb ram i was thinking to run it out side of the laptop case as i was thinking about putting a bigger cooler on it so it could be passively cooled and i plan on splitting the sata port so i can have more hdds am gonna 3d print a 4 x 2.5 inch hdd holder and having an msata for a boot drive although before i plan on keeping in the laptop case so i can set it up and find out what os i should use and how to use it this is learning experience as i have little experience with servers i have ran a linux mind and windows 10 plex server and i tried too run plex on truenas but failed, need to learn more about dhcp and static ip's as for the Minecraft server i have ran a server on my main rig (windows 10)and it worked fine any advise would be helpful (btw am 16, no job. i brought these laptops for my birthday as just love fixing computers)
@LearnLinuxTV
@LearnLinuxTV Год назад
OMG you LUCKY LUCKY person! The T430 was EPIC. I had a T430 and T430s at the same time, great machines. I'd recommend leaving them as-is. No need to change their case or cooling. Besides, a laptop as a server? It has a built in KVM and UPS (if the batteries work). Laptops are perfect for homelab. Maybe try LXC containers on those laptops? That might be a fun way to do it.
@Slate245Ivanovo
@Slate245Ivanovo 3 года назад
Thanks for more awesome content, Jay! I have a question/request. Currently I have a half-dead lenovo g505s with almost non functioning screen. I tried to hook it up to a monitor and use as a linux box, but can't enter the bios setup because of dead screen. Do you know a surefire way to force a laptop to output video to vga first instead of built-in monitor? And could you perhaps make a vid about turning a no good for traditional use machine into a server?
2 года назад
try to disconnect/fully remove the internal screen
@leon1985ist
@leon1985ist 3 года назад
Quick question do the laptops have to be open or on all the time if am been ssh In to them !?
@Aera223
@Aera223 15 дней назад
Probably, unless they support wake on lan
@digitalluxury2033
@digitalluxury2033 Год назад
thanks
@mannycarrion7862
@mannycarrion7862 Год назад
can i run promox on orangepi
@elektron2kim666
@elektron2kim666 2 года назад
I gave my Dell 6420 a file server job as it won't die. Just to have some files centralized is worth it.
@mannycarrion7862
@mannycarrion7862 Год назад
can i use old xp computers i have alotb of them
@zubairakbar9937
@zubairakbar9937 3 года назад
Is proxmox something similar to VMware ESXI host?
@virtualizeeverything
@virtualizeeverything 3 года назад
Yes in some ways better proxmox has no cap on the number of cores that you can have.
@zubairakbar9937
@zubairakbar9937 3 года назад
@@virtualizeeverything thanks for the reply, I will definitely try it as well.
@whylde7834
@whylde7834 3 года назад
I was just trying to do this. Then found out my one laptop doesn't support Virtualization lol. Any recomendations for its use? Standalone Debian server running something?? 2 Cores, 4GB Ram
@Jny010
@Jny010 3 года назад
I have similar stats on one of my laptops. ( I have yet to fully research these options and try them out. Hopefully they spark ideas for you.) 1- network firewall - pfsense, ipfirewall, or ipfire 2- ddwrt or openwrt - network controller-router (these 2 hold more options if you look through their packages) 3- android box with Bliss OS 4- Kodi box with openelec or libreelec ( not so sure about this one - but an install with modest capability could work.) 5- retro console emulator - from DOS games and Atari 2600, Nintendo, Sega, and sony 8-bit to 64-bit systems.
@PatrikKron
@PatrikKron 3 года назад
Check so it is not just disabled in bios. If it’s a mac, it could be used but by default you can only use virtualization from macos.
@whylde7834
@whylde7834 3 года назад
@@PatrikKron Alas, I've looked. It's an old core2duo dell inspiron. I anticipated it wouldn't so its not a big loss.
@Jny010
@Jny010 3 года назад
You guys can still do a bare metal setup of a file server or a few other things. Similar to his set up.
@alexxx4434
@alexxx4434 2 года назад
Containers are a better option in terms of resource cost rather than vitrualization anyway, the best one is bare metal.
@SkyFly19853
@SkyFly19853 3 года назад
And I was wondering about that...
@wwahyyy2035
@wwahyyy2035 Год назад
so can all of these old pc can run just One OS ?
@wwahyyy2035
@wwahyyy2035 Год назад
@@FizzleFry2049 yeah that would be nice. Then you can make your own supercomputer and not have to rely on cray
@wwahyyy2035
@wwahyyy2035 Год назад
@@FizzleFry2049 if bottleneck exist. just use the fastest machine as a central processor unit hub that assemble and disassemble the processes. a big piece of cake can be eaten by a million worms very quickly vs one giant worm
@Felix-ve9hs
@Felix-ve9hs 3 года назад
I have found an 6 year old gaming laptop in a dumpster with an Core i5-4310m and 8GB RAM, never thought to use it as an hypervisor The battery is dead and the Radeon GPU might be too but everything else is still working fine
@GenreFluid
@GenreFluid Год назад
Would it be worth clustering more than two laptops?
@kumaran88thiru
@kumaran88thiru 3 года назад
Needed subtitles sir
@is6031
@is6031 3 года назад
I made my first homelab on a machine with Ryzen 7 2700X , and 32Gb ram
@virtualizeeverything
@virtualizeeverything 3 года назад
One of my first home lab machines had a Ryzen 2700x, but it was power hungry compared to the laptop that I run the house off of today. At idle the 2700x was pulling 65w from the wall the Ryzen 3580u that I now use only pulls 15w.
@is6031
@is6031 3 года назад
@@virtualizeeverything My whole machine idles on 20W , I checked at the PSU
@virtualizeeverything
@virtualizeeverything 3 года назад
@@is6031 nice every machine is defferent HDDs and fans can make a big change on what a machine pulls from the wall.
@mannycarrion7862
@mannycarrion7862 Год назад
i have put linux on them upgrade the ram so they very modern i know that bkuz im able to use them online
@danielstellmon5330
@danielstellmon5330 3 года назад
I know its apples and oranges, but proxmox VS docker?
@PatrikKron
@PatrikKron 3 года назад
Depends on what you need. I think it’s useful to run as much as possible in docker. I find it easier to know what needs backup when running docker (docker compose file + volumes).
@vadimantoniuk5253
@vadimantoniuk5253 3 года назад
Good idea, bun not working for me. I have setup zabbix on old netbook with atom cpu, and he got always stuck after 2days.
@sjoerdvelzen8255
@sjoerdvelzen8255 2 года назад
Thinkpad laptop is terrible because it swaps the Cntrl and Fn buttons on the keyboard as shown in 2:43 .
@JCLarsen
@JCLarsen 3 года назад
How to homelab? That headline indicates it is for beginners! I am a beginner and you kind of lost me here in this video. Don't get me wrong it seemed quite forward and easy. Your guide was very understandable. But I was waiting for the gold! And risking to become ridiculed because of my ignorance, I have to ask: Why? Why would I install proxmox and install debian on it. What is the usecase? How will it benefit me doing this?
@themedleb
@themedleb 3 года назад
In this video, he installed only Debian (to show us), but in real life we install more than one virtual machine, think about you might want a Nextcloud server, a Bitwarden server, PiHole server, ... And this is where Proxmox comes handy, it gives you an easy to use user interface to manage all these virtual machines/environments and do a lot of things ...
@gearfriedtheswmas
@gearfriedtheswmas 3 года назад
But you never explained what can you do with a home lab? What is it used for? What can you do with a home lab that you can't do with a single pc?
@gearfriedtheswmas
@gearfriedtheswmas 3 года назад
@@birsp Sounds like model trains for computer nerds, not something a regular person needs. No shame.
@alexxx4434
@alexxx4434 2 года назад
And if you care about your data privacy you can host some of the productivity web apps on your own servers. You can also host your private VPN.
@TurboSilke
@TurboSilke 3 года назад
im sure this is a great video, but im less then 2 minutes in and i feel this is not the vid im looking for.. (to advanced for me, wtf is proxmox??)
@kreont1
@kreont1 2 года назад
Proxmox 70$$$ buy year or buy new laptop ???
@alexxx4434
@alexxx4434 2 года назад
You know what, smartphones have the same described advantages as laptops. So, why not repurpose old smartphones in home network as some kind of small computing devices, instead of creating more e-waste? I've been carrying this idea for a long time.
@JohnErikjohansson
@JohnErikjohansson 2 года назад
yeah i haev been colection lots of 2015 smartpgones for al kinds of labtech tests etc for remote management, mobile divice management .
@GorkemYildirim
@GorkemYildirim 3 года назад
Yes but they better have quad core CPUs otherwise it slows down quickly.
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