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I used this video for some reference while installing a similiar snow performance WMI system on my '13 ST. While still an overall great video I want to point out that neither of the boost references shown in this video are accurate. The one edited in this video does not match up to my accessport at all. I bought a different sound symposer delete that had the option for a boost reference and that has fixed my issue. Just an FYI for anyone else doing it on a ST. Overall still a great video, bought a guage pod from the same supplier he did and my system is working great!
The location referenced by the arrow at 29:13 is an accurate boost reference location. I still have it hooked up this way and it works fine. Your access port gets it's boost reference info from the MAP sensor on the front of the intake. That is probably more accurate since it's directly at the intake, but the place I referenced is just at another location.
@@SavageProductionsCars That's where I originally T'd off as well. While it read boost, my WMI controller would report boost and thus start injecting when my AP still read vacuum. The WMI controller would be peaking out at my tunes max boost while nowhere near WOT. Just didn't seem right to me.
@@Taylorek2011 you make a good point there. I see 20-21 pounds if I'm low RPM and just give it half throttle rapidly (which then reduces to 13-14 at higher RPMs). I figure that's just due to the small turbo immediately spooling. But it would be better to measure at the MAP sensor like the AP does. There's a whole system pressure mismatch not being taken into consideration when you're measuring at the sensor which (I believe) regulates boost for the turbo vs. where the boost actually ends up in the system.
I have the 2.5 kit on order for my F56 Mini Cooper S. I got the kit with the braided stainless lines and I’m planning on mounting the reservoir, and pump in the engine bay so it’s all short runs.
Thank you for showing your installation, Can you please make a video of how your Ford focus ST is doing with the water methanol I will appreciate that, like a follow up video.
Hello quick question is your Ford Focus ST working fine with the water methanol kit you installed? And if is posible can you upload a video I will appreciate that, thank you I like your channel
@@ocurrenciachapina yeah it's working fine with it. It's not a potentially harmful mod like nitrous (if done improperly). My tank is empty right now and I don't have any extra just yet. I'll get some soon, but I don't know if I'll do a video on it. I might upload something to my Instagram instead.
Good morning and sorry to bother you again I'm very excited because I almost finished my installation at the way you did yours thank you for sharing this but before I install the motor is safe to install this outside the vehicle rear bottom bridge like you did? and in the engine fuse box there is 3 fuse opening with key sourced any of those openings are ok? You were a life saver making this video thank you very much for all your help.
There's different mounting points for different applications. Further from the throttle body (right after the intercooler) is better for optimization with the fuel, giving you a better blended octane. Closer to the throttle body is better for cooling. I wanted more octane out of it than cooling, so I opted for mounting it far away. I actually ended up having to get a charge pipe to replace my factory one, and it had a welded-in bung which put the nozzle about 8 inches from the throttle body.
I always thought the gauge was like a super high end gauge option for the water meth kit, but nope the vc50 is just a gauge type controller it’s cool tho, I needed uo ordering that thinking it was better then my stage 3 controller big mistake, lol but I like to have it in my gauge pod but the stage 3 is way more options
Need assistance. How did you connect the VC-50 to a boost source. The line off the gauge is pretty dang small. What fittings did you use? My kit came with a T-fitting. But it’s more for a regular boost line. Would heating the lime off the gauge work? P.S. I watched this video 6 times so far. Love it.
Hi Boosted 3.7. What did you use to connect the two vacuum lines together? I’m wondering the same thing and mine came with the little T that won’t even nicely go into the VC-50 vacuum line.
I showed the plumbing. Snow Performance has a chart for which nozzle they recommend for your setup. Dual nozzles are a case by case basis, and talking to Snow Performance themselves would be the best bet.
I hope people are not just slapping these on and expecting hp gainz 😬 you will lose hp and that's a fact.... you have to tune your setup with water methanol injection after installing...
Actually, if you're just using it for cooling or even if you have a car that auto-corrects for octane, you'll still make more power without a custom tune. Not to say you can't get an optimized tune for it that'll make even more, but lower IATs and higher octane (usually up to around 93-95 octane on newer self-correcting vehicles) will always make more power. (Clarification: more octane will make more power up to the stock allotted timing increase)
The trick is to not spray too much and just flood yourself out. This is why Snow Performance offers a chart for the correct nozzle size for your engine size and boost range.
I leave the injection off daily and only turn it on when racing. I've had to top it off once since I installed it and that's only because I was doing a lot of testing with it right after installing. I'd say it would last maybe 50 full runs, if I had to guess.
Hello I had mine installed at a shop a week or so ago and it seemed to work good and for no reason the gauge is not recognizing boost. We used the port on my symposer delete, I’m confused it just stopped working Any ideas
@@FabulousMrCheeks I never really felt the need to upgrade anything on the car, so I couldn't tell you. I've waxed heavily modded STs in my stock ST even before the water meth. Driver mod is worth 100 hp in some cases. Lol
Hey im reading the description on this and its saying for smaller, faster spooling turbos to use the snow performance 212 instead of this one(210). Ive read a few comments of you saying its working great im just checking before i order.
I've never seen the 212 kit. Looks like it would be a good fit for a smaller turbo, like you said. I don't know if it comes with an on/off switch so you can turn it off when you're not using it. That's one good thing about this kit with the controller as a gauge. Although, you have to get a gauge pod to mount it. So it's really up to you. As long as you select the right nozzle size, they should work similarly.
I want the same kind of little fitting he has there as I am fitting my own to my can and need us standard piping and thats would be amazing to have two of those little things in my size
Out of curiosity, why have your last videos been flipped? Causes writing to be backwards. As for the Snow kit, that pump seems absolutely overkill for the application. Keep them coming, enjoying the videos.
I'm recording with my new phone now and the forward facing camera flips the video. I need to look into having it record the other way. But yeah this same kit applies to 2000+ hp cars...lol
@@SavageProductionsCars For what it's worth, I use Sony Vegas and it has a setting that'll flip video. Might have something like that in your software. And since it'll do up to 2,000 HP, looks like you now have a reason to modify your ride even more! ("Yes, I really do need those two 88 mm turbos. This poor meth injection pump is totally underutilized! Think of the meth pump!")
@@rizzoid I make those excuses for modifying my Mustang now...it's a good thing I don't really have to convince anybody except for myself right now. And I use iMovie and couldn't find the flip functionality in a 10 second search, so I'll investigate further.
Good point. I believe it eats up the plastic a bit, but I also think it gets worse the stronger the formula is. This was blue Loctite, and luckily I haven't had any leaking issues with it, and it's been installed for about two years now.
Watched the entire video very nice content... but I am still unsure if I should go Snow Performance on my S550 Gen5 3.0 Whipple Supercharger.. any power gains, lower IAT'S, will the kit come with all I need... what r ur thoughts!... thanks
You absolutely should! The power gains will mostly come from lower IATs, which means it's good for back to back runs. At the same time, the octane will be slightly raised with the meth, so your knock sensors will be happier than normal, meaning you may be able to get a revised tune for the meth and run more timing. The difference it makes scales based on horsepower, so your car will really see the effects of it. When we put it on my dad's ProCharged 2012 Mustang, it felt like a night and day difference when we were spreading it vs. when not. The kit will come with everything you need minus the bung to tap into your intake pipe and (I believe) the connectors for wiring. You'll also need zip ties to secure the line and hardware to secure the pump and reservoir.
@@SavageProductionsCars Super Awesome. Thanks for your quick and detail response. I am really thinking hard about ordering but everyone said it does help/ add power but Snow Performance said it does. Maybe those saying no r "haters"! My IAT's were extremely high last summer here in Ga... so I added a killer chilla but now I want that Menthol for the extra coolant & power..... do u recommend? Thanks I really appreciate you giving me the time and help/support... that's Cool Stuff....
@@pjmprojectman9018 no problem man! And yeah I highly recommend. When we installed the kit on my dad's car, I was sponsored by Nitrous Express. Nitrous Express acquired Snow Performance sometime after that, so that's how I'm also sponsored by Snow Performance. But I stand behind their product regardless. They have recently come out with a bunch of plate kits for spraying the water/meth instead of using a nozzle and a bung. I could be wrong, but I think the Whipple uses the stock throttle body housing. If that's the case, you could get a plate kit instead which are more efficient and don't require any tapping of an intake pipe.
I was thinking you need a fuse for the power line going into controller... not a fuse for pump cause if pump fails why would the controller fry? Wiring diagram doesn't show an inline fuse anywhere
@@realtalk9648 it would be best to talk to the guys at Snow Performance. They know a lot more about it than I do. Feel free to use the vode "savage" at checkout for free shipping on any order.
I run Snow Performance Boost Juice. It's 50% methanol. You can run windshield washer fluid, but they typically have less methanol content. Also, some of them have a chemical additive that you do not want to run through your engine. So if you want to go the cheaper route and run windshield washer fluid, do your research.
We're located in Hebron, KY about 20 minutes south-west of Cincinnati. And no, we don't do cages, but we recommend Tin Soldier Racecars for chassis work.
@@SavageProductionsCars I am in the Columbus Ohio area.so not too far away. Thanks for the recommendation. I will likely need a cage in the next year or so. Not for my gti.
Hey guys ,I recently bought a 2015 6.2 Silverado , will this injection system work for keeping intake valves clean? Just found out about DGI intake valve issues ,I am running a range technologies AFM delete , and plan on a good catch can. Not worried about hp, just thought this might help carbon build up ,thanks.👍👍🏁
Methanol should definitely help with cleaning the valves. On this car in particular, I can notice a good difference in performance after I have sprayed it recently. I'll go a few weeks without spraying it, I'll make one hit with the system on, then I'll turn it off again, and it almost still seems to be helping!
@@SavageProductionsCars Thanks for the quick reply. I am very concerned the truck has 70k ,very nice ,well kept ,but I know nothing about how the engine was treated. This DGI intake valve thing is not good ,wish I would have known about this before I purchased it. CRC claims to have a product for removing carbon but I've read conflicting reports on that. Thanks again .
@@TheMrmmkkpro no problem. Yeah there's nothing dangerous about water/meth. This kit is for use with a boost reference, so at max boost, I spray about 50% of the nozzle's capability. A low amount like that won't harm anything. The worst you could do with too much meth is wash the oil off your cylinder walls, but you'd be really flooding the cylinders and noticing a loss of power when spraying if you were spraying that much.
@@SavageProductionsCars ok thanks i have the Snow #3 nozzle in my Focus St in throttle body spacer, also where did you get the Vent Pod holder for the gauge? Thanks again
@@SavageProductionsCars ok , I have a full bolt on G37s coupe , l live in the Caribbean islands we dnt have high octane fuel . I was just wondering if I decide to get my car tune , will it be beneficial to have
@@torvarrisevans3961 not really. You'd have to spray a large amount in order for it to really affect your octane levels. You would maybe see a 25hp difference if it was tuned correctly for it.
The car doesn't have a tune on it. I don't think it does much for this setup untuned. I've been wanting to get some real before and after data with a few friends whose cars are always dead even with mine. I think if anything, it helps it up top in 3rd gear onward because the IATs remain low throughout the pull.
The kit is great. Had a small failure of the check valve, but other than that, all the electronics are great. My dad's, which he installed (I think) 2 years prior to this one is working great as well.
Also meant to ask. How are your pistons and piston rings holding up. I've been hearing a lot of failures because of the methanol breaking down the oil? But obviously if it's been a couple years you guys aren't having that issue. Any advice or feedback on that issue would be much appreciated.
@@justinhinsey4093 that sounds like something that could happen if the mixture is too rich. The same could happen with any fuel, and can often happen when you have a leaky injector.
@@minimanadam been working great. Recently had a little failure with the check valve so it dumped all the meth in the tank into my charge pipe, so that was fun. Other than that, all the electronics and everything else has been working great.
Unboxing? description on the 1 gallon meth tank ? you can drill it to install a float ? just came here after watching product videos on AEM injection and not only do you not have to add a float but they use sensors which is a float upgrade and this fucking kit doesnt even have a HEY your out of meth in your tank warning system your gonna blow your motor cause its tuned to run with meth ?? not buying this shit .. how much extra you gonna charge for a basic necessity of adding a float ?
This was an install video, not an unboxing video. If you want to see what comes in the kit, you can look at their website. The kit does come with the float seen in the video. The reason the float isn't pre-installed into the tank is because this kit gives you the option of using a different reservoir for the water-meth. My dad installed the same kit on the Mustang featured at the beginning of the video, and he used his windshield washer fluid reservoir. The whole purpose of the float is that it connects to the gauge, which does warn you when you're running low.
The pumps are waterproof. We installed it in an even more open location on the Focus. Small gravel or even a decent sized rock shouldn't damage the pump. It's a quality piece.
Had shop install my snow 2.5 kit yesterday looking at my data logs my fuel trim exactly the same the afr exactly the same what's best way to know if it's actually spraying ?
The stage 2.5 kit comes with this guage, which is also the controller for the water/meth injection, which works off of boost. It's not really a boost controller.
