How to Make a Competitive Middle Earth SBG Army List ~ How to Win!!! 

Thanks for the feedback! Buying the bases makes a massive difference to the channel. I am trying to eventually make Conquest Creations a full time job at the moment we are a long way off so your support would help heaps!

Hahahaha very very true

I appreciate the comment! Good luck for the tournament

@@ConquestCreations thanks! I'll post my list when I'm done for critique. also thanks for dealing with the "other" comments 👍

Glad you enjoyed it

Awesome army list. This is definitely going to be very powerful. I would recomend giving the witch king the morgul blade. If you come up against a mumak or anything similar it will be worth its weight in gold. When you are structing warbands in an army list like this I recomend spreading things out relatively evenly so each hero can operate as their own force. If you are in maelstrom Always roll for your most vulnerable and important warbands first. In your case it is Kardush. After he is on the table have a go at bringing in the other warbands. You can use might to make sure they come in close to Kardush so he is safe. I really like that you chose gorbad he is one of the best cheap heros. Thanks for the comment mate!

Conquest Creations thanks for the advice! If I was to include the Morgul blade what do you think would be worth dropping for it?

How many points Rohan is a basic but nice option especially because riders with bow don't count to you bow limit or wolves of isengard (legendary legions) is at 500 points is also a fun option but they have the problem of no real good heroes just 1 named heroes

Riders of Theoden LL is a good shout

I love this list! I wish that Rivendel and Arnor were a green alliance because the 6" fearless bubble from Arvedui would be awesome in this but you do have the courage 5 elves so you shouldn't need it to much. Glorfindel and the knights can put damage but the other elven warriors will hit just as hard as the arnor warriors. I reckon you want to have them with the warriors so they can get the spear support and the banner. You need to be carful with your cavalry and keep them very safe from enemy shooting even loosing a few horses could really hurt your list without them you have lots of strength 3 which will struggle to break through a lot of enemies. At 600 points to have 28 models that are this strong and Glorfindel is really good. I am making an Anror army so i may need to try this list!

@@ConquestCreations Thx for your Reply. I totally agree: Arnor and Rivendell should be green. I was very unsatisfied when GW's last errata did not come to this conclusion and stated that every possible alliance has been looked on. Those to factions are Pretty much a very thematic alliance and the army Bonus of Arnor is super strong. Alone, this faction can not be played. I also admit, that this list has vulnerable Points, such as the horses and Malbeth. I agree, that the field and good tactics are needed to Keep certain parts alive, this list probably does not forgive mistakes. I also thought About switching the elven Warriors shields to spears, what do you think? I would love to see this list in a BR! Last Question: Where do you buy the Arnor-Warriors?

Paths of the Druadan is a really interesting legendary legion. One of the best Australian Players brought it to our most competitive event and did decently well with it. This legion is really good because you wont have to worry about terrain so you can cross the board really quickly with the cavalry. Your courage defence is good, your shooting is super solid, manoeuvrability is great, and you have a lot of models. For an all cavalry army your hitting power isn't amazing because you don't get the +1 strength on the charge. I would maybe drop some of the riders of rohan to bring in Dernhelm because she has so many attacks. But I haven't gotten to play with or against it though so I am not totally sure. Its a pretty rare army to see so good on you for bringing something unique!

Thanks for the comment! for 950 points you don't have heaps of models. I reckon the Herald of the Dead doesn't work super well in this list, only the Army of the Dead models can benefit from the King of the Dead's heroic actions so it wouldn't help the whole army. I would drop the herald to just increase the models in the King of the Deads warband. When you deploy you want to have the Army of the dead as your front line and have them spear supported by the rest of your army. This means all of your front line would be defence 8 and causes terror. Those are my thoughts, What do you think?

Nice list! This will be super cool to play. I reckon there are a few changes that could make it more powerful. Firstly I would give the witch king the Morgul blade. Its only 5 points and if you go up against certain armies like a mumak or Smaug its is god tier. The Tainted isn't the most powerful of the named ringwraiths but has a really unique ability that most people will have never played against before so you will be able to catch heaps of people off guard. I would consider changing him into a captain on warg (we can use these extra points) but this one is more up to you. I think the two key things that this list is missing is are hitting power and manoeuvrability. Even if you manage to paralyse a hero the strength 3 orcs will still struggle to kill it. Adding in a cave troll with a hammer could fix this. If you could paralyse a hero then charge it with the cave troll its almost a guaranteed kill! I would also include a handful of warg rider so you can get to objectives around the board a bit quicker. Its going to be a super cool list either way!

@@ConquestCreations also, knowing he has the morgul blade is another board control factor to an extent. People typically try and avoid risking being near a morgul blade with their best hero's. Nuclear deterrent even if you never use it

Thanks for the comment mate! The troll with drum is such a good inclusion it going to make your warg riders in particular super fast. This army is going to have a super hard time against a terror army so what I recomend is changing Guritz into Kardush the Fire caller. This will get your whole army Fury so terror isn't a problem and he can throw around fire balls to kill enemy heroes horses. Its going to be a super fun army to use!

This is a good question. Thanks for the comment! I didn't realise until now but evil has wayyyy more tricks than good does. It it sounds like Matt had a great counter to your list. Heirlooms is my least favourite scenario because you just need to get lucky to get a massive advantage. Bifur is a great inclusion in your list and can give a lot of control in movement. The Iron Hills amry bonus is so powerful that I don't think tis worth including Cirdan in a list with them. Cirdan is very strong for his points but when he also costs an incredible army bonus I don't think its worth it. The +1 or -1 to come in for heirlooms could help a lot. I think the best way to deal with things like that on the good side are the wizards. You could take Gandalf the grey because he is in the Survivors of lake town army list. Or better you could take any of the Mirkwood heroes and a handful of sentinels. they wouldn't help heaps against elves but in many match ups they are very powerful

@@ConquestCreations Thank you for your answer. I'd still not get the army bonus because Bifur is from the Erebor reclaimed list. But Legolas with a few elves and 1 or 2 sentinels sounds like a good addition.

I appreciate the comment! I like Isengard a lot I have played them heaps. This list is going to be really cool. Always deploy Grima with you instead of your enemy. Otherwise an experienced player will just put 3 models around Grima and trap him so he can't move near the enemy heroes. I reckon swap the 5 mauraders with shield to be regular scouts and put them in Thrydans warband and then move the 10 scouts with bows into Mahurs warband and make them the Mauraders. This way they can move really quickly and still fire. Also if you run them to claim an objective they can now shoot at the enemy while they approach the objective. One last thing if oyu can find the model having Sauruman on a horse makes him a lot more powerful. Because he can use magic at any point during his movement he can run up 5" can sorcerous blast and then run back.

Hey mate! thanks for the comment. I really like the fiefdoms. You list is really solid. It is really well rounded and will be able to win and scenario. Your magic resistance isn't amazing but as you said there isn't much that you can do about it. With 3 will on Imrahil and at 600 points there wont be to many wizards. Your courage defence is actually really good! The warhorn gives you courage 5 knights and having the men at army and the axemen you don't need to pass courage tests to support your own models so you will always be able to get heaps of attacks into combat. I don't think there is anything that I would change about the list! good luck at the tournament

Its a solid army! The main thing that stands out right away is the you should always take the Morgul blade on the Witch king. You might not use it every game but when he one shots a troll or smaug you will be so glad that you have it. I would also recomend dropping a warrior or two to put the Haradrim Cheiftain on a horse. I know that you want to keep him back with your troops but even if he stays with them the horse makes him so much more deadly and if you are in a situation where you don't want it he can always just dismount. Your army is going to hit super hard but can't take a hit in return. I dont think that you need to change the list around but it will take some practice to get the most value. You need to keep your watchers of Karna and Merchant guard safe from enemy shooting. Over all I really like it good luck using it!

@@ConquestCreations awesome thank you, for now I've taken away one war rider, given him the morgul blade and switched two warriors for two serpent guards

Good question! There are a few things that go into deciding. Firstly in Maelstrom of battle its good to have your resources spread evenly across your warbands so if one gets isolated you don't loose all of that kind of model. Another thing to keep in mind is what the warband is trying to do. If I am planning on charging is all of my cavalry then I will keep them all in a warband with a mounted hero where as if I am trying to just get objectives and be more manoeuvrable with them then I will have a handful in every warband.

@@ConquestCreations Thanks for the advice. I'm new to the game and this area of list construction is quite different to other wargames I have played.

That's a great place to start! Mirkwood rangers can be tough to use so might take a few games to get good with. Your place guard around Thranduil are absolute beasts

@@ConquestCreations can I take both? Like some palace guard with spears and shields and some rangers for some ranged support? Also want to bring the king and legolas to go around smacking everything together while the other units take objectives

Good job! I think winning a tournament means its pretty competitive! Personally I am not the biggest fan of siege weapons because I don't find them to be very tactical to use but they are very very powerful in game just watch out for blinding light and elven cloak armies. Looking at your list you have seemed to get everything right! You have a few models for manoeuvrability, you have a massive hero for hitting power, you have plenty of numbers, courage isn't an issue because of body guard, the banner of Minas Tirith give you fight 5. All around a really well made list!

@@ConquestCreations Thx. I use trebuchets mainly tactical - it force enemy to split, and come to me, while beregond and citadel guards can try to snipe important models, rangers killing horses and trebuchet... scarying. ; ) And Boromir in close combat is beast! He can beat all regular heroes. But i had HUGE problem aganist Mumak War Leader - absolutly no idea how to fight aganist it.

hope for a hobbit battle report

I'm not a competetive player but I think banners are more important on high fight value armies. If you're goblins you're going to lose a lot of fights to enemy 6's and lose models, but numbers and laws of averages will eventually come into play. But if you're elves and have expensive squishy models, it's vital that you don't lose any fights you could win.

I always take them. True, it's 75 points, but it's an 18" banner, and with Groblog as well as the faction Bonus, if you play it right you can be devastating. Even without the faction Bonus, with Groblog and a bat swarm, your goblins with outfight anything fight 5 or less

You evil list is a really good list, you have the mobility with the cavalry, the hitting power with the abrakhand guard, the courage defence with a lot of courage 4, the courage attack with the black numenorians with the Shadow Lord, and you are totally safe from shooting. I like that you chose Gorbag He is often looked over but is seriously good for his points. I dont think there is anything I would change about the list Riders of Theoden is an interesting one. It has so much damage potential but can be countered by the right enemy list. I would probably drop your numbers down to include one more hero. I would either take in Elfhelm, or Dernhelm. The list rewards you for having more heroes so its work taking plenty

@@ConquestCreations Well Gorbag should not be alone with one Orc Warrior in case the scenario has maelstrom of battle. Other than that the list is really solid. I agree that more Rohan Heros are usefull in the Riders of Theoden LL. Dernhelm is one of the best mid class heroes in the game. So Riders of Theoden without Dernhelm is hard to argue why Dernhelm is not in the list.

Thanks for the comment. I might revise this video at some point in the future and I'll keep that in mind

Yeah man this is a solid list. Cavalry armies do take a bit more practice to play with so don't be discouraged if you loose a few games. What i recomend you do it take this as part of the Riders of Theoden Legendary legion from Gondor at war and all your heroes once per game get a free heroic strike or combat in one turn. If you wanted to make your army a bit more powerful you could do some conversions and make some of your riders with throwing spear into Royal guard. It will decrease the amount of bows but their body guard and high fight makes them a good inclusion

Its a great place to start there a few little changes the I would make. firstly I would 2 or 3 guard of galadhrim court. They get fight 6 which is so helpful when taking down heroes. Next I would bring in a woodelf sentinel. These guys give you so much control over the enemy. And finally I would give your knights bows rather than shields. My thinking there is that they will be running around and taking objectives in some games. In those games where they are sitting on an objective they can still do damage to the enemy from a distance. This list will look so good on the table the galadhrim models are so good!

Hi there. I've not played competitively for a while, but Khazad-Dum has always been my main army and have always read/watched a lot about building for it. I would highly recommend watching the "Unexpected Podcast 7: Analysis on Kingdom of Khazad Dum " and read the top comment by Alastair King (who is a competitive player of Khazad Dum). Based on Alastair’s comment, the discussion in this video and your comments on weaknesses I’ve made some comments and suggestions. There are a lot as I am thinking through how I would build for this myself. There is a TL:DR at the bottom though summarizing my suggestions *Tactical Flexibility* 1. Hitting power - Great Durin and King's Champion best hero options for this, good choice Iron Guard and Vault Wardens good with strength 4 Hearth guard excellent with strength 4(+1 Burly), but very expensive Standard Dwarf Warriors have axes for piercing strike Very few Spears reduces ability to bring attacks to bear 3-banners excellent The whole force gets re-roll 1s to wound in combat for army bonus. 43 Strength 4+ attacks (16 burly/master forge +1), most can pierce 23 Strength 3 attacks, (2x 2-handed), all can pierce 2. Maneuverability/Board Presence - Below Average Whole Army is 5 inch movement Only 1 marching hero, with total of 2 marches per game Only 11 bows (out of 16), some armies may have 20 or more shots Throwing Weapons 8 3. Numbers - Good You have 53 models I think at 1000 points 45+ is good for Dwarfs With such good staying power this is plenty to reduce flanking and provide board presence *Resources and Tricks* 1. Might - Good Your list has 10 Only 2 can use march 2. Magic - Cast (not available), Resistance - Below average Casting not available to Khazad-Dum Resistance is poor for Khazad-Dum Durin and King's champion both great targets for opponent Mardin and Captain only 1will each 3. Shooting - Addressed in Maneuverability/Board Presence 4. Courage - Excellent War Horn on Durin takes warriors to 5 Mardin has Sworn Protector Hearth Guard have bodyguard Could afford to give up some in this category to improve others 5. Other Tricks Shielding - Below Average, 13 out of 53 models Throwing Weapons - Fair, 8 have throwing Weapons Vault Warden Team - Can stall enemy heroes / Monsters, only 2 in list, could take more My Suggested Changes: Hitting Power As you identified fighting spear/pike walls can be an issue Increasing the number of Vault Wardens would be a big help To do this the number of hearth guard and iron can be reduced Maneuverability/Board Presence You identified that maneuverability was an issued and that the captain’s march helps Changing Mardin to a Dwarf King would provide an additional march for no points change The Dwarf King is also better in combat (+1Fight, +1Def), resisting magic (+1Will), option for throwing axe if you want You do lose 1might and the special spear, but a good opponent will avoid Mardin with monsters negating this, and we want march might. Bows haven't been maximize, so I would suggest doing that to increase board presence (The 1:1 ration of Ranger to Dwarf Warrior is good) Another thing to consider would be to add a Dwarf Ballista This would ensure that you have missile superiority, and bring enemies into you 18inch bow range (they can't out shoot you at 24inch) It also helps to disrupt spear walls, and occasionally may burn fate off heroes or kill monsters outright Also at this points level it can be hard for blinding light armies to cover all their troops Numbers - no specific suggestions, stay above 45 Might - As above, suggest Dwarf King instead of Mardin, to have 9Might, 4 March Magic - As above Mardin changed to Dwarf King would help resist magic a little better I also think the Captain can be upgraded to a Dwarf King also to improve this and also hitting power (due to increased fight value) Shooting - Addressed in Maneuverability/Board Presence Courage - Excellent, may give up some of this cate to improve others Other Tricks Shields - only 13 (25%) shields may be difficult to go non-lethal Change the 2 Dwarf Warriors with 2-Handed weapons to have shields Throwing Weapons - 8 is okay, I think can purchase more, see further optimizations Vault Wardens great at stalling heroes/monsters, could do with more ************************************************************ TL:DR *Summary Bigger Suggestions* Mardin and Dwarf Captain both changed to Dwarf King Increase number of Vault Wardens, to do this Reduce number of Hearth Guard, and Make them Khazad Guard (say to 6 or fewer) Reduce number of iron guard (say 2 per banner warband) Increase number of bows to limit, OR add Dwarf Ballista *Further Optimizations* Wargear Change Dwarf Warrior with 2-Handed to Shields (otherwise might as well upgrade to Khazad Guard) Put a Shield on the Banner Bearer Put Throwing weapons on the Dwarf Rangers (in addition to bows) For Iron Guard consider adding swapping swords for axes to allow piercing strike Consider not having throwing axes on Captain/King's to save points (can put on all rangers instead) Warband Make up Balance the numbers in each warband so there isn't one that's significantly weaker Ensure Sufficient Screening (about half of each warband) to block bow fire into Rangers/Iron Guard I would suggest putting all Iron Guard in warbands with banners (if sufficient screening) as this complements the 2A, 1Wound profile. A single Khazad Guard with 2-Handed Axe swapped to 2-Handed Hammer in each warband can threaten to support the warbands hero with a bash special strike on opposing enemy heroes to knock them down . All the best with this amazing faction. -Ant

Wow Awesome comment here! I thanks for leaving it! I have a Durins Folk army that I am planning on doing soon and I'll definetly take this advice

@@ConquestCreations Your video was really great inspiration to think things through step by step.

Hi Thanks for the comment welcome to the game! Sauron is awesome! To play him at 750 points I would take a big horde of orcs with a wardrum, banner, some warg riders, and a shaman. That gives you a few points to play around with still. If you want to play something more competitive but a bit more challenging to use include shelob. She is awesome! Another option would be to add in a troll. If you take a troll you can give it the drums and your whole army can move very quickly

@@ConquestCreations I agree. I played Barad Dur on 700p, 800p and 1000p on tournaments in germany. One way to play Barad Dur is to play an Orc horde like Jakob mentioned. The other way is to play more Elite with a second hitter like the Witch king on fell beast or cheaper a Marshall of the Black Numenorians. Troops should be black Numenorians, Morgul Knights and an Troll Drummer. I would always include 2,3 Orctrackers for same lucky shots to diamount heroes. Especially shoot in combat and with luck the Mega hero loses his mount. This can be brutal and the enemy can do nothing about hit. If you have a bit for competitive experience you can also try all "hero". I played at 800p Sauron, Witch King on fell beast, 2 Mordor Trolls. The list sounds silly but actually I was quite successful. Always check the scenarios which are played and how the tournament determines who can choose the armies, good vs evil or good VS good etc. Good luck and have fun

This is such a cool army list! I can't wait to see more of Dunland on the table. Crebain are the ultimate tool for claiming objectives although 4 is a lot. I might drop it down to 2 or 3 and bring some more numbers in if you have the warband space. I think this is about as good as a Dunland list can get! Good luck with it!

This list is going to be brutal! Thanks for the comment! I am not a massive fan of the warband with Dunhir and the black root vale archers. I reckon that they will be a massive target and they wont be able to keep up with the rest of the army. Also if the cavalry charge forwards and engage in combat then the archers wont be able to shoot in. I would either take a few less knights and include more foot troops. Maybe swap out Forlongs warband for knights on foot and some men at arms. Or another option would be to drop the warband with Dunhir and ally in a hero from Minas Tirith. Personally I reckon this would be the perfect list for Gandalf the White. It would decrease your numbers by a lot but it would give you defence against shooting and a decent way to damage your enemy from range by targeting their key heroes with sorcerous blast. Also it would allow you to nullify monsters which love hurling through cavalry armies. What do you think?

@@ConquestCreations thanks for your feedback! i put in some foot knight and men at arms, i guess now, this list is better if you do not mind, i have an another list, with sharku legendary legion: Sharku 4 Warg Rider with bow and shield 4 Warg Rider with shield 4 Warg Rider with sield and throwing spear Orc Captain with Bow Shield and Warg 1 Warg Rider with bow and shield 2 Warg Rider with shield 2 Warg Rider with throwing spear and shield 6 Wild Warg 2x Orc Shaman on warg 2 Warg rider with bow and shield 2 Warg Rider with shield 2 Warg Rider with throwing spear and shield 650 point im a relatively new player, so im unsure sometimes, if i build a list

@@laszlomate2872 Sharku's legion is one that I am excited to use! I would take just one shaman and swap the other one into a captain and drop a few models to include a banner and give every warg rider a throwing spear. It makes them a lot stronger and your whole army will be a ranged threat. I think this army will still struggle to be competitive overall because the highest fight value is 4 but it will be a lot of fun. I think its best at low points levels

A lot of the time its a choice between the Dweller and the Cave troll. They play similar roles. The Dweller is definetly good, its just very low defence so you need to keep it safe from shooting. Is fight 7 is awesome because it out fights most heroes in the game. If you are jus starting out begin by playing what you think looks the coolest and you will learn how to make it powerful

Thanks for the comment! I really like Isengard. Personally I am not the biggest fan of trolls I find that big heroes can kill them really easily. I reckon your army would be more powerful if you swapped it out for Mahur and a handful of maurader scouts Mahur still hits really hard with 3 attacks but he gives you some movment 8 troops that are super key to objectives

@@ConquestCreations thanks for replying! I played against the Return of the King LL in our leauge, lets say a lot of my lists weaknesses got pointed out to me.......

@@giraffediety2477 Hahaha yeah that list is powerful. It makes courage 7 berserkers seem a lot better

This is a super solid horde army! I really like that you have a banner, a drummer, and kardush. That will take regular plain orcs to a new level. I reckon I would take quite a few more spears in the army. Becuase you have so many model you often wont be able to get your base into fight an enemy so having more spears will allow you to leverage your numbers advantage even more. Personally I am not the biggest fan of Grishnak. I would choose to take either Guritz or Zagdush but they are forge world so are harder models to get a hold of. I think this armies weakness is going to be stopping big threats like Aragorn, Boromir, or Azog so you need to be really careful with your heroes that have heroic strike. They need to be in the right position to counter those heros

Thanks for the comment. Interesting RU-vid fact regardless of how old the video is if you leave a comment in the RU-vid back end it appears the exact same was as if you comment on a new video. Those are two tough ones. In the Men of the West you have a lot of options, you have to start out with King Elessar who is always going to be solid and will be the rock of the army. I would take as many troops as I could with his warband. For the second hero I would seriously consider Legolas. He gives the army a really solid ranged threat and will allow you to kill enemy heroes horses so that they will also be infantry. New up is Prince Imrahil. I would take his warband with knights of Dol Amroth in the front and Minas Tirith Spearmen in the back. When you use your once per game +1 fight ability that will stack with Imrahil's +1 fight bubble for his knights meaning that you will have fight 6 troops. After them depending on how many points you have left I am a massive fan of Elladan and Elrohir. For thier cost they are great and while fighitng on foot they get an extra attack so its helpful that they are infantry in this legion. For Grey Company if I were to build it I would make sure to fully upgrade Strider. I would take Halbarad with the banner to support the rest of the army. After that you could try to horde out with as many Rangers as possible which would give you a lot of might and a lot of archery. If you take this approach in 750 points you will have 17 models and 21 might plus a free one per turn. I would be happy to blow this might quickly. Basically any opportunity to get a wound I would spend the might point and hopefully do a lot of damage early in the game and snipe out a hero or two. The other way to build it is with all heroes. At 750, the Three Hunters, Elledan and Elrohir, Halbarad with the banner, and two rangers of the north is solid and gives you a very solid shooting power. It will be hard to get objectives but you should be able to kill a lot of enemies and then jump on them in the late game. I would just keep the rangers safe and sit them on objectives while the big hero's go to work on the enemy army. Thanks again for the comment hopefully these thoughts are helpful!

@ConquestCreations that is awesome advice, thank you. Hopefully I can have some close games at least with this advice!

@ConquestCreations oh, what are your thoughts on an all hero Men of The West with maybe some Knights of Dol Amroth? And would Gandalf ever be worth it? The last question I expect to be a no, but I'm curious what you think. My thought with the first question is maximizing the amount of models that can reach F6 or higher by adding in more heroes, allowing this army to actually match elves

I may have misspoken in the video. Here is the full 750 point list Warband 1 led by The Witch King of Angmar with Horse and Crown of Morgul (3/15/3) (160 points) 7 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Shield (42 points) 4 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Shield and Spear (28 points) 5 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Orc Bow (30 points) 1 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Banner and Shield (31 points) Warband 2 led by Barrow Wright (50 points) 7 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Shield (42 points) 4 x Angmar Orc Warrior with Shield and Spear (28 points) Warband 3 led by Gûlavhar, the Terror of Arnor (200 points) 3 x Dead Marsh Spectre (45 points) Warband 4 led by Angmar Orc Captain with Shield and Warg (55 points) 3 x Angmar Warg Rider with Shield and Throwing Spear (39 points)

Conquest Creations awesome thanks for the reply, I think it was actually my bad, I added witch king on fell beast in my head out of habit which made it 800

Nice solid list This list will be straight forwards to play and have a decent chance at every scenario. I think there are a few ways that it could be improved. Personally I am not the biggest fan of trolls. I find that often they are targets for big heroes. I would consider dropping the troll to bring in an Uruk Hai drummer and some more troops, or bringing in Mahur and a handful of scouts with the Maurader upgrade so they can grab objectives. This will make your army a lot more manoeuvrable. If you do use the troll let me know what you think of it and if you get your points worth from it

@@ConquestCreations had a trial game with it yesterday, vsing Khazad-Dum, did have some model count issues however the trolls hurl came in handy, killing a banner and helping kill some prone models and drawing attention away from my objectives. Rend is also particularly useful against big heroes if I can win a fight, in my opinion, but I'll trial it a bit more and see how I go. Going to be swapping some pikes for more shields though

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Exactly! I have done this before. It puts you in a really good position where you have a win win situation. It is a rare situation to be in through because the Balrog can't be in combat to throw his whip in the shooting phase and usually he will always be fighting. The Balrog is such an awesome model to use

@@ConquestCreations I was facing a dweller in the dark who charged Imrahil and a Captain. I was going to declare Heroic Strike and Heroic Combat with the cap, killing the beast and charging another minis or the Balrog in the case I roll a 4 (Fight 10 on Imrahil). But the balrog hits the dweller and he ran out the combat, making it impossible for me to do something. So bad luck then. Thanks for answering!

@@rodrigodiaz3765 Oh that is awesome! I hadn't of even thought to use it in the combat phase! That is awesome, well played to your opponent! just make sure they only use it once per turn

@@ConquestCreations he did that on the shoot phase cause he has entered later (we were playing reconnoitre) so was unable to charge. I thought that if I was in combat, i didn't go to his side. Well to know it is possible

Rohirrim are pretty bad without using Legendary Legions. I would recommend you to have a look at riders of theoden and defenders of helms deep legions. For both of them you need Theoden on foot and on horse which you can get second hand because it's in a starter set. Theoden, Gimli and Legolas (common and cheap minis on ebay/etc) with 24 rohirrim footmen (1 box of warriors, which you need in 100% cavalry armies too) are decent 500 - 600 points force with 2 high quality fighting heroes, and cheap troops to inflate your numbers. Expand on that when you figure out what you want to play.

Hey man thanks for the comment. Rivendell and Galadrim warriors are very similar and having a solid core of them is a good place to start. I would recomend taking a warband or two of warriors with a banner bearer. A handful of cavalry either Rivendell knights or galadrim knights. Include 2 or 3 wood elf sentinels and then pick whichever heroes you like the most. 500 points is a good place to start. A fun 500 point beginner army could be: Haldir (heavy armour, bow) - 85 5 galadrhim warriors with shield - 50 4 galadrhim warriors with shield and spear - 44 2 wood elf sentinels - 50 2 galadrim knight with bow - 42 Erestor - 85 4 Rivendell warriors with shield - 40 3 Rivendell warriors with spear and shield - 33 1 Rivendell warrior with spear, shield, banner - 36 4 Rivendell warriors with bow - 44 This army isn't the most powerful list to run but I think its a really good way to learn the game and some of the other heroes require more experience to get the most out of them. From this army you could easily change around the heroes to make it fit bigger points as well. You could for example swap Haldir for Galadriel and Erestor for Elrond or Glorfindel.

@@ConquestCreations Thank you! Based on the video and this list I'm looking to create two shield walls with the banner nearby to maximise attacks and the knights to do objective work. The Sentinels try to use their ability to move key enemy models around such as ones who have snuck behind me to trap?

@@sirbobulous with your sentinels you want to move your enemies out of position. If they have a troll you can make it move away from you army. Orc on there regular troops you can pull them forwards and surround them with many of your models to get easy kills

@@ConquestCreations Thank you again :)

This army is going to be very powerful. Cirdan is a very strong hero that buffs the whole army so much. This is the kind of army list that can definitely win tournaments. I love that you have 2 banners that is very important to this list. I would also make sure that when you deploy you mix your elves and Numenorians together so the elf spears are supporting in Numenorians and the Numenorian Spears are supporting the elves. This way your whole army gets fight 5. The only thing that I think I would change is I would include 2 or 3 more knights that can run off and grab objectives. Good List!

@@ConquestCreations Thanks for the feedback. I'll make sure to include more knights. Very helpful video and answer. Great content!

Hey man thanks for the comment! Personally I am not a fan of using siege engines in the game because there are some scenarios where they are super powerful and other scenarios where they do nothing. I also don't think they have many tactics. I reckon I would swap them out for Forlong the Fat on horse leading a group of Men at Arms. This would let you drop the warhorn off the knights of Dol amroth so you could take some more numbers. Then you have a super solid infantry core that could march up the table while Gandalf, Forlong, Imrahil and the knights could run off and take out major enemy models.

I reckon you definetly want to keep legolas he adds a lot to the list. This list is always going to be super eliet and low numbers but you make up for it with terror and really powerful heroes. Legolass counters so many things in this game. By killing enemy heroes horses he reduced their hitting power by so much and allows your basic troops to tie them up

@@ConquestCreations Thanks for the advice!

Army of the dead is awesome! If you want to play a pure army I reckon this is a good list but I think that the Return of the King Legendary legion is super powerful. You would have to swap the whole heralds warband for Aragorn so you would have very low numbers but with a free heroic march and the cavalry you can move very fast and Aragorn hits super hard. This would allow you to drop the banner because Aragorn acts as a 6" banner any way so you could include more models What do you think?

@@ConquestCreations I have the 3 hunters to of course. I feel like Aragorn is steep for the 500 pt. In 800 I play him no doubt, sometimes even legolass for the ranged support. But at 500 pt I feel like we can't muster up the numbers to win. Sometimes I feel like AotD is a little too elite. You know what I'll just test it out in a couple of games! I own 3k AotD anyway haha

My 600 points army has changed warband 1 boromir with banner and shield 205 points, 6 warriors of minas tirith with shield 48 points , 7 rangers of minas tirith with spear 63 points, 2 knights of minas tirith with shield 24 points. Warband 2, faramir on armoured horse with heavy armour, bow and shield 110 points, 6 warriors of minas tirith with spear and shield 54 points , 6 citadel giard with spears 60 points, 2knights of minas tirith with shield 28 points. Overall 9 might 5 mounted models 8 bows 31 models. I think my 600 points army has some solid hitting power in boromir and faramir as heroes but aswell as the 4 knights and should be having 4 to 5 in fight value in spear support my 800 point army 13 might 15 bows and solid fight value.

Thanks for the comment! Both of these lists are really solid and can play every scenario. I like your updated 600 point list a lot more. but I would recommend keeping a few units that have bodyguard in Boromir's warband so that you are always confident that they will be able to charge a terrifying enemy. Also make sure that you give Faramir a lance it makes him way more deadly and will increase your hitting power by a lot In your 800 point list, again i reckon its really solid. The only change that I would make is giving Beregond a horse and spreading the knights across the warbands instead of having them all in one. These lists have a lot of potential!

Rohan is great there are so many options on how to play it. If you have started with the starter kit I owuld recomend adding in gamling and eomer and using the Riders of Theoden Legnedary legion (Gondor at War). Its super powerful!

Yeah your gonna need to get some hero's ad Theoden isn't the best killy hero someone like eowyn and merry because their cheap and powerful for a hero or eomer who is the tank of rohan also maybe some royal guard because they get some great buffs from Theoden and a banner never goes a miss if you don't want to get gamling

Hey mate! serpent horde is awesome. I would recommend starting with Suladan on horse with some raiders and a captain or two with warriors of Harad with an even split of bows and spears. After that feel free to add in some watchers, Abrakhan guard, and some serpent guard.

For Moria at 800 I would recomend the Moria army list in the video with a 3 more goblins and a Warg maurauder added in. Rohan at 800 points has so many options! If you want raw damage out put go for Riders of Theoden legendary legion with all the heroes and a handful of royal guard with throwing spears. This army list has done very very well.

@@ConquestCreations what would you recommend for an 850 moria army

@@alex231e9 There is a 750 point army in this video. I would start with that and then add in your favourite 100 points in moria. Personally I would add two warg marauders and a few extra goblins

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This is definely a solid list. I can imagine it doing very well competativley. How you run it is going to be really important. I wouldn't charge Boromir and the knights away from the army to far. Boromir needs his banner to support the troops so have him central to your line and he will punch through anything and you will have a fight 5 shield wall if your rangers sit behind your troops. One change that I might make is changing Beregonds warband from warriors on mins tirith to Citadel guard. They are the same points cost but the citadel guard are one higher fight and get bodyguard just for loosing one defence. The body guard will help you tie up scary opponents like Nazgul or will give you confidence leaving them on objectives.

Absolutely, Dwarves have a great tournament track record! Kazad-dum are probably the best performing because they are the most popular followed by Iron Hills because the goats give you a bit more speed and Dain is super strong

​@@ConquestCreations Thanks for answer, I'm just beggining with this stuff. I have some old minis from my childhood and was thinking if I can make them work. It's difficult rn tho becouse there are not many khazad guards on market where I live hahs (probably becouse GW is out of stock :c )

These minis have gone through hundreds of games and been transported all around the country. With models this well used breakages are a part of life. Every now and then Ill do a big fix up of my armies but this video happened in-between fix ups

Kazadum has quite a lot going for it. Recently at a 40 person Australian Tournament they came in at second place. Kazadum lacks mobility and spears but it makes up for it in other ways. The Dwarven heros are awesome. Particularly the Kings Champion is one of the most under costed models in the game. You troops are super high defence meaning its super hard to shift you off objectives. Your troops can hit like a truck, particulary Hearth Guard and iron guard. The shooting is actually decent, you have the option to go for rangers who can also take throwing weapons or long bows or regular warriors who have access to strength 3 bows. Also you have the dwarven balista. Kazadum armies are relatively high model count. Becuause the key heros are such a bargain and you aren't taking many big expensive units your numbers can get really high. This is also defence against magic becuase you will always have multiple heros which cant all be shut down at once unlike the iron hills where dain will always be the magic target. They will always have significantly more models than the iron hills. This help with your lack of mobility because you can be in many places on the board at once. Kazadum and Iron Hills have very different play styles. Iron Hills wants to sit in a block whereas Kazadum can spread out and prioritises getting traps and manuvering and using the heroes to blunt enemy hard hitters. There is an argument that Iron Hills are 'better' but ultimately they are just different. Kazadum has heaps of options in it there are plenty of troops choices and two different hero load outs that you can go for. Fluff doesn't impact the game balance the game is built around the fluff and then the factions are balanced. Middle Earth is in an awesome place where almost every tournament is won by different lists and different play styles. The game is super balanced and a players skill is far more important than their list. There are some armies such as Arnor that do lack options because they are old but Arnor is still a very playable faction becuase the synergies that they have

@@ConquestCreations well, Durin will always be the target here. Durin+Champion are 300 points, if you take hearthguard and berserkers aswell (plus the many other great heroes?) Then you wont have numbers. The ballista will shoot like 4 or max 5 and will hit 2or 3 times. Very hard to make up for its points no? It also limits your numbers even further. I Dont know man. Not convinced^^. How does this Army win any fight vs elves with spears?

@@Jewus19 Durin will always be the target but then the Kings Champion and the sheild bearer can go around getting free heroic combats. After your initial warbands or elite troops captains with regular warriors are an absolute steal. The Balista is not used to get kills, it is used to force the emeny to charge you. It will very rarely get its points back in kills but the tactical advantage that it give you is massive. This fixes a lot of your slow movement issues because your enemy will have to go to you. This army is alright to go up against elves. You will most definitely out number them after they get a few heroes. They will need 6's to kill you while you need 5's or 4's with your hearth guard to kill them. If you run straight into them they will win a vast majority of the fights but if you leverage your numbers and surround them and go for traps there spears can only be in one place at a time and in each combat you will have significantly high odds of killing them than they have of killing you Durins Folk aren't my favorite faction in the game and definetly wouldn't be my pick for the strongest profile but I have played against them and have used enough similar armies to know that they definetly have a place in the competative scene

@@ConquestCreations i will try. :) i also would really enjoy a khazad dum Tips or battlereport Video to get some ideas on the Details of wielding this seemingly underdog faction. Maybe even you whos piloting them hehe. Maybe you can add it to the list of Future Videos? Best regards!

@@Jewus19 I'll definitely get it on I have my own army but I haven't even started painting it yet but I have a few mates with Kazadum armies. I'll get them on soon for a battle report with lots of tactical break downs