I actually take that shot a lot. I don't make it near as often as I'd like to, but I was shown that shot some time back by one of the regular hustlers where I shoot lol. They shoot a lot of bank pool there. There are several multiple rail banks that can get you out of a pickle if you can nail them. As many times as I've attempted this one, though...probably about a 30% success rate, at my current level. The problem is in not knowing the amount of English, equal to the amount of speed, equal to the size of the angle. Not easy lol
I would like to see a video where you put all these wonderful tips together that is rack the balls, break, see how the table is arranged and discuss strategy on what shot to pick and why did I pick that shot and what ball spin to use to set me up for the next shot.
Man if youre impressed by this youre going to learn slowly. This guy is okay but not good enough to teach. Well then again these are the most basic tips so maybe he is just trying to teach beginners the fundamentals of banking.
I’ve been playing pool for nearly 50 years and this video popped up on my feed. You are never to old to learn something new. I really enjoyed watching this video, especially the first bank that you made, even on a bad deflection hit. That’s a lesson right there. Even a miss hit made. The reason you made it was because you did everything 99% correctly. Can’t wait to watch more of your videos.
All those people complaining about the size of the pockets realize that it doesn't make any difference when it comes to the actual point of the video, right? Right???
It's just some losers who have nothing to do besides picking out irrelevant points to criticize other people to make them feel like they're better than everyone else
Thanks for sharing. Learned a new shot! One correction. The harder you hit a ball, the less spin affects a ball, not more. The softer you hit an object ball with spin, the more it will throw the ball, not less. Easy to test: line up a shot diamond to diamond with one width of English. Shoot it softly, then shoot the same shot again hard. You will see that the object ball is thrown more with softer English. In the video, you had to hit it hard to make sure the ball had enough speed to return to the pocket, and still had some spin on it. That's very different than it "spinning more because you hit it hard." You can also test it by setting up a perfectly straight shot. Use 1/2 width of English and hit it hard. You'll see the object ball diverts very little vs. if you hit it softer, the object ball is thrown more. Just trying to correct a misstatement.
Well said Ken. When the nine gets to to the second rail the spin, looking from the brown ball side, has become LEFT spin, further helping the cause, and then goes back to RIGHT spin on the final rail, spinning even more as it slows down, just as you said.
Dan I sort of fit in both categories. I Love and Hate him. I like his beginner skills but if you watch from about 3 min. the to 4 min. mark he says when you shoot fast the ball goes where it is supposed to but if you shoot slow it goes wide. He gives the position to Shoot for but then shoots way wide and yeah it goes wide. Only a beginner would not see this right off. I have been playing pool for over 60 years and I am Damn Good but I saw this deception right off. He will be real good when he can put the cue ball on the rack spot and an object ball at the rail at the Far end against the diamond 90 degrees away and cut the ball into either corner pocket OR put an object ball an inch off the Rail and about 6 to 8 inches away from the side pocket then cut it in the side. That is Me. I am that good, also with a good rack I can call the Eight on the break and make it 7 out of 10 times and if I happen to miss you will be $hitting your pants because it barely missed and is dangerously close to the pocket. Your skill then becomes finishing up and winning by either player. I once played with Steven Mizerak in Alabama. I beat the fat fart only once. That was in around 73 or 74. It has been a few decades now and I forget the exact year I was visiting relatives there. I live in The only Nation within this Nation, TEXAS. I grew up playing pool in the bars on the NE side of Houston bars off Hwy 90, an area where you had to be extremely skilled at BARELY winning or loose your life.
That was amazing man. That bank shot across the ball was crazy. I have done some slick moves before, but usually by accident. That was beautifully done. The technique was crazy in theory to me at first, but you did it. Thank you for these tips. I really appreciate watching the way you break it down.
all i see in the comments are douchey billiards players that are too prideful to accept the fact that this guy gave a detailed, helpful tutorial video and is obviously a great player at a young age. who cares about the wide pockets it's not like he could pull a table out of his ass to give a tutorial video on a 12 ft. this kid is probably younger than me and could most definitely school me in billiards. thanks for the helpful video man!
Yeah who cares about wide pockets, it only enables you to to pot balls that usually wouldn’t go in, thus giving you false pretences that your playing shots correctly . Pool and snooker is all about how you deliver the cue when playing your shot, and just by watching this guys cue action, and pre shot routine, he’s certainly not technically solid. All that being said, agree, he speaks well and explains the subject of side well. Keep it up mate.
Jay. You don't play pool, do you? Dr. Cue and Tor both give better instruction on banks. I do credit this kid for trying and being enthusiastic. He seems to enjoy it, has some followers and may help a beginner, but that's it. Let's not forget. Ronnie was winning titles by this kids age. THAT is great, not making a video called "how to make banks 99% of the time" and then making your first bank off the cue ball. P.S. As you may have heard, size does matter. You don't get better by playing on slutty pockets.
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Great video. I was always using the diamonds and finding half the angle for banks. That system worked with really simple ones but bank shots that require you to cut the ball a decent amount to get to the aiming point didn't work. So I would just eyeball those ones and this angle of reflection technique makes a lot of sense. I was watching a video of Efren Reye's final shot in his farewell tour. I believe those cross cut bank shots are actually influenced more by the spin transferred to the object ball by where the cue ball hits the object ball regardless of what spin you put on the cue ball itself. Either way, thank you for the video.
Gotta hand out props when they are due - I shoot in the APA and wouldn't you know it that I wound up with a bank shot on the 8 to win my match this week and I used the exact method described here without practicing it first and nailed the bank to win my match! All the bashing the wide pockets comments are dumb, you guys are all missing the point. AND if you can do better, then where are your videos? The wide pockets don't matter, he's explaining how to line up the bank - the technique he's teaching is what matters, how you apply it is all on you. Thank you Dupree, this video helped me win my match this week!
Nice vid, One thing to remember: as the friction of white ball and object ball is low (they're very smooth, guys!) it takes a lot more spin on the white to transfer sufficient to the object ball to do that than if you simply aimed the white to bank on its own (remember also that you chalk the tip of your cue to INCREASE the friction between tip and white ball so spin shots take - you obviously can't do that between white and object ball).
It leaves at the same angle if hit very light, because it is not compacting the cushion. The harder you hit it, the more it compacts the cushion. The cushion wants to throw back ball at 90 degrees to the cushion, so that the harder you hit the ball, the more it wants to do this, which is why the harder you hit it, the more it flattens out leaving the rail. This is very clear in the beginning of the video. You say they are coming off equal, but clearly they are not. Only the soft shot is coming off equal. It is not coming off wider, it is coming off on an equal angle. Your first shots are coming off flatter, not equal like you say, because you hit the ball firmer. Whenever you hit it with any kind of firmness, you are compacting the cushion, hence flattening the angle off the rail. Just my opinion.
Softer stroke imparts more English. Shooting hard into the rail closes the angle of the bank. Shooting softly does not open the angle as implied. It creates much more accuracy. This means that if you need to shoot hard to make your bank angle correctly then your eye is incorrectly trained. 3 ways to close an angle on a bank: 1. Shoot hard (rail sink) 2. Hold up English (inside) 3. Draw (Bottom English, technically draw is not accurately called “English) Using a combination of two or more techniques increases the result. First, learn to shoot banks accurately with a soft stroke. If you need to shoot more firmly into a bank but don’t want to close/tighten the angle of rebound then use either “follow” (top English) or slight running/outside English. Vary your speed and distance from center-ball until you learn the nuances. Those pocket you’ve got there are exceedingly forgiving.
If you notice in the first part of his video when he’s explaining how fast he shoots in correlation with bank angle he’s paying attention to the diamonds on the table.
Thanks for the informative explanation. I always screwed up bank shots when putting english on the ball, now I know why. I was putting the wrong spin on the cue ball! Thanks a bunch!
That transferring of spin for that double bank shot on the 9, I don't even see pros using that type of play. Seriously that's some voodoo magic right there.
Jo-Erlend Schinstad I guess you've never seen Efren Reyes shoot. Learning shots like this might save you in a do or die situation. At least if you practice it you'll have a general idea of how it's done and can shoot with a bit of confidence.
Sure I have. Did you read my comment and what I responded to? Efren Reyes doesn't use magic all the time, because magic is higher risk than doing it simple. You only use advanced shots when it is required and good players avoid having to do it. You play to win, not to look cool. Players who plays to look cool, doesn't win very often.
I've been shooting pool a long time and have seen this happen accidentally. I never could put it together how to duplicate it. Thank you for the explanation.
When I first started trying to take pool seriously and learn to play I spent a long time trying to avoid bank shots and would instead hit ridiculous cut shots and could eventually hit shots that almost looked like the defied physics. On the other side of that my usual playing partner would avoid cut shots at all costs but learned to hit bank shots without even thinking about it. Then one day we both decided we needed to round out our games and that we both had something we could teach the other and we started playing games with only bank shots or only cut shots and one would help the other learn what worked for them.
Well 3:48 was missed because you moved the start point of the object ball more to the right as we looked but contacted the cushion/rail right by the same point as previous banks. Yes, speed does play a role but most of that miss was because your angles were way off (3:14 and 3:47 show the object ball on the rail at almost exactly the same point).
it's not to complain its just that your going to confuse people when they try that same shot with bottom left and just end up thinking they can't do it and them just give up. thanks again man I've watched many of your videos and they are way helpful so thank you.
You're the man. I'm really learning man. If I was in your city, I would pay you to help me with my game. I'm going to keep watch your vids buddy. Thanks alot!
Topspin and draw absolutely will put the opposite spin on the object ball and affect the angle it comes off the rail. Draw on the cueball >> topspin on the object ball >> wider angle. Topspin on the cueball >> draw on the object ball >> shallower angle. Otherwise, great video!
This young man explains it in a way that is so simple to understand. Obviously he has it do to a science and for himself to share his knowledge this way is such an advantage to anyone wanting to improve their game. Great job Mr Dupree, you are a Pro no doubt about that. A comment below about running a table explaining every shot using English would be very interesting for subscribers as you pick your shots. Thanks so much for your videos. You are the best contributor to the game of billiards.
3:50 your incoming angle isn't the same as the outgoing angle toward the pocket. I mean the principle stands, but the throw isn't as drastic as you make it out to be.
I dont know how often you check or read these comments, but I really enjoy your videos. Ive learned quite a bit from them. One thinng I think would make them better is if you had a camera pointing down from above the table. That would help show the angles better I think. But great job, keep them coming
Great video٫ extremely helpful. I came here trying to understand bank shots better. Your video helped me do exactly that. Edit: also i really appreciate that you mentioned a physics rule. That really helps to point people in the rite direction. If they are willing to do their own research.
This is an okay video but you should use markers or placement stickers on the table so that they can actually see the differences from the same angles.
Great vids and advice! I do have a suggestion though. It seems you always have the camera on the opposite side of the room. And in a lot of your videos you're talking about spin directions, left, right, etc. Well everything is backwards from the viewers view. It can be a bit confusing. It would be much better if we could see everything from your side. (In first person view).
The second shot you took long ways on the table was basically a 2 rail bank shoot, really NOT the same as the 1st shot where the english was transferred from the cue ball into the object ball causing it to change direction when it hits the rail,.. just saying
Sick shot. Great video. Cant lie my angles I see naturally but those shots are more than just natural. That's mathematically an amazing attempt. Thumbs up!!
would've been a lot better and informative video to watch without RU-vid commercials interrupting every other minute! I guess adds before the video are not good enough anymore
Really grateful for your advice and help to master the process of taking your game to the next level. This is a master class of epic proportions and I love to receive the notification of your latest video
I have been a big fan of yours for a while now and I have to say that you have the most amazing skill in the way you don't move your eyes at any point from the moment you are in position to taking the shot. I have checked with other professionals and the only person that comes close to it is florian the venom, and reyes. Both are very much the top of their own class and I think this may be a great idea for the best way to go about taking a shot as the 3 of you are on a level that is not easy to get to. I'm 44 and been playing since I was 8! Started with 8 ball for the first 5 years and I have played 9ball ever since. So I'm really enjoying these videos so I can see if I can see a different way of doing some shots with a higher success rate than my own
I think the ball is not going wide enough on slow speed (or at least as wide enough to miss the pocket as you secretly expected) because the cloth of the table is too worn out and the ball doesn't grip it as well (slides more)
Most of the spin that returns the CB is from spin induced off the rail in your example.. I'd guestimate 80%. That said, helpful video for beginners and well produced.
Man you know your stuff my friend. I have learned so much from you. Thank you. I have subscribed to your channel. One of the best pool players I ever saw in my life was an 18 year old man in the service
The bank shots. Theoretically, angle in angle out. This has many variables that causes angle in to not equal angle out. Cushions, ball set, cloth, etc. The safest bet is to always add about a half ball to a full ball to the shot for these variables. This is a rather old video, but I still think this needs to be addressed. I'm actually writing a book currently and I'm showing in my book as well as my students not to over complicate the game. A lot of terms thrown around that makes pool sound intimidating, when it's not. Keep in mind pool is super easy. You complicate it by thinking too hard or trying to make a puddle seem like the ocean. Keep shooting.
3:37 you point the cue directly at the diamond and do the angle thing. Then you play the shot and totally miss that mark. Of course the shot misses! What I can never seem to "see" is what the angle is. I can stab the cue and puncture baize under the rail all day long and make out like I'm at all close to the right angle, but I bloody miss. Seems to me if you're doing a side bank shot, and the object ball is in the middle of the table, you have 1.5 widths to travel, and the ball hits the rail 1/3 of the way through that path. So simply aim for 1/3 of the way to the pockt on the banking side, and that should work. If you are 1/3 of the width from the near-side bank, you have 1+1/3rd of the width to travel, or 4/3. The object ball will rebound after one third. That is, 1/4 of the way through the journey. So, aim 1/4 of the way. I think that way will work pretty well.
Speed doesn't matter. Angle of incidence = angle of reflection, no matter how fast or slow you hit it. If you can't make the shot hitting it slowly, that means your table isn't level.
I'm playing pool for many years and I've never thought about the double bank with the reverse spin on the object ball. Never knew the object ball could take spin! Thanks for bringing that to our attention!
So amazing! Well done! There's so much more to being a great pole player than I ever thought. Always thought chance, luck, and a little bit of skill were all you needed. But there's a lot of science and math involved--geometry, trigonometry, and physics, for example. Thanks for opening my eyes to how sophisticated the game can be.
This channel has really grown since a year and a week ago when this video was made. 7:33 He's showing appreciation for 6.9K subs and now he has 69K. Great work over the past year!
I didn't see where you said WHY the ball goes wide when shooting slowly. I DID see the ball jump a little off of the rail when you did that, though. I'm actually curious as to why it goes wide when shooting slower, if there's no English on the ball at all.
You are a gifted individual, the fact that you refer to physics in describing how to play pool shows a degree of intelligence a lot of pool players don't understand is a massive part of the game. I can see you winning a world championship yet. Keep up the great work, much appreciated. Don't mind the begrudgers, they are jealous. 😁
How about a video on banking the length of the table. Specially the best way to measure the angle. It looks easy to measure the angle when you are banking the width of the table. But the stick isn’t long enough to do so if you are banking he length.
What do you think of my theory that if snookered and need to come off a cushion first, if the angle is at 60 degrees and you hit the white at 60 degrees it will follow through true no matter how hard you hit the cushion first.
Great vid man, thanks. One question, if you transfer right spin to the OB. I understand how that shortens the angle off the first rail, but, that same spin direction should've thrown the OB to the running direction off the 2nd rail? Pushing toward the corner area? How is it that it came back the opposite direction? Is it that the momentum and contact of the rail reverses the spin because it's it's going on the opposite direction from the spin? And the friction at the rail grabs the ball, and the momentum/friction reverses the spin? It's the only thing I can think of? The second rail hit, wasn't as strong of an angle, and less momentum, so it was able to keep the "left spin" it received from the 1st rail, and reverse course back to the 1st rail, now having running English to go into the side pocket? I would love feed back. Lol, maybe I'm way off here.
-tell us about cue lengths ,tip widths, how to choose a cue maybe shows us the best cues affordable cues -also there's this shot that is very common I couldn't figure it's name it's a shot type where after you hit the object ball the cuz ball goes perpendicular with rails and goes back and forth in a line with no deviation, it can be done side ways as well as to go up and down the table best regards talented young men
Mohsen Tabouna Greetings.i have had many cues over the years and some semi expensive ones ($600). I moved overseas and wanted back in the game but no cash. Took a chance on a $30 cue. It was actually straight! Changed the tip right away to a Champion tip. It is surprisingly awesome! Low gamble that worked. Less gamble if you go to a store and "feel" the cue but it my case it worked out.
Thank you Jaden for your videos. I used some of the techniques I have learned last night and won my first 9 ball match of the season. Mostly the banking position techniques. Thanks again and keep them going.
If you have a friend you can put a small mirror on the rail and once the shooter is aimed lift the mirror then shoot, it helps dramatically learning angles
I enjoy your videos. I've learned a lot from you. One Question: I subscribed and click the bell to be notified but I never get an email? What am I doing wrong? DO I need to change a setting? If so, can you tell me how? Thank you....
There is rarely a time that a player would shoot a bank shot without putting spin on the cue ball for post set up, or any shot for that matter. It's a game of millimeters so creating shape is a players most important tool. And the cushion will always alter angle unless ur barely tapping shots. Most players come to realize a slight top outside spin at firm speeds favors the true deflection....and someone already mentioned this , but everyone should learn to use ur diamonds properly. Cuz more often then not a long bank will be the deciding shot to shift a game in your favor. I know ur jus trying to cover the basics, but we have to remember that when learning fundamentals is where bad habits are often formed
I would like for you to show the side of the cue ball your are hitting from your eye 👁️ perspective. I know you're hitting the cue ball left,right , high or low because your are saying it , but I can't see it on the cue ball. God bless
This is one of the hardest shots for me to make. I've watched your video time and time again and still am not very happy with my bank shots, and yes I do practice them all the time.
I've actual come to find that the harder a ball is hit into a rail if hit with excessive power it will make the object ball either straighten up or even come back in some more perpendicular shots to the rail
Enjoy your videos... but confused here. If you put low left on the white your are applying Right spin on the the White ball which would then apply Left spin on the nine ball which would hit the second cushion with Left spin .... not left side .... and left spin would take the nine ball further away from you as soon as it hits the second cushionI am I missing something
Would it be possible for you to fix a GoPro or something above the table so we get a 2 dimensional view of what you are saying. I think a GoPro may be a savy investment. 🤔 😎
