This is the ONE video that explains all the pitfalls of working in hard water areas and how to start on the high ticket work. Youre a genius mate seriously thank you
As a window cleaner living in New Zealand I use pure wash system similar to Zero systems portable devices 2 resin canisters and carbon filter first inlet then into first resin before going inside 2 resin canister you only change one canister at the time that one becomes nr 2 and number 2 becomes number 1 change resin around every 2000-2500 liters of pure water great system more space inside the van as I also do spider proofing services and carpet cleaning services thank you for great video
we use clear view water, always at 0.00, 100 quid a month unlimited supply and just down the road from me, works out well for us. great vid though mate as been looking to set this up myself at some point, always nice to get pointers on things 👍
Here's the Brisbane, Australia, situation. I only use pure water about 2 days a week with the rest of my work being trad. TDS reading is an average of 235ppm out of the tap. I use a 12.5litre DI tank with a 10inch carbon pre-filter. For the work I do, and the type of jobs, a DI tank is the most efficient for me. I get my TDS down to 0 to 3ppm. The system is portable which in many Aussie homes is essential. Thanks for the video, Ash.
I'm currently just a trad window cleaner down here in vic. I see we have demineralised water in coles etc. Is this still too hard water and not recommended?
@@thegadgetemporiumaustralia8509 For the best effect of pure water cleaning, investing in a small di tank is best. Maybe an 8 litre tank from Window Cleaning World. The water in Melbourne is much better than in Brisbane. You won't churn through the di resin as fast down there.
@@McRaesWindowCleaning just a DI tank or anything else? I'm still confused about what hardware I need. I can see I can buy the cheapest water fed setup at around $800. Might go for that 🤔
Brilliant video again Ashley. My unger hydropower filter has just packed up so I'm thinking of one of those streamline ro filters as my tds /ppm is about 250 here in West Sussex 😔!!
Good video. Using van mounted system. Using one di vessel, would you recommend using x2 di vessels for resin to last longer and keeping the pure water to 0 for much longer. 👍
Ben Cavanagh I’m not sure it will really make much difference? But someone did comment on this video saying that they put the water through 3 DI vessels and they reckon it gives much better results.😃👍🏼
A.E.Mackintosh Cleaning Services Cheers Ashely. Wow 3 di bottles! I may try two and see what happens. 😃 Also, any advise! Annoying customers who agree to a price then say “ feel the price was expensive for how long you took to do, why is that?” I wanted to say I don’t need to explain, paying for experience, knowledge and equipment I use!!! Think going to stop cleaning ones like these from now on ........ 🤨
I’ve had customers watching me like a hawk on the first couple of visits. I think it can be worthwhile just spending a little extra time on the first clean or two making sure everything is just right. A good first impression can build confidence with the customer. But then if the job is out on it’s own, I might just decide to leave it.😃👍🏼
I’m fairly new to Water fed pole.out the tap it was 210ppm. Set up 300gpd ro.made a thousand litres at 000 reading. Then all of a sudden crept up to 004.though to myself another 1000 litres I’m going to have to change filters ect at roughly 100 pound.i sold it and now buy from spotless water West Brom. That charges 3.6 pence per litre.suits me better and not constantly paranoid about TDS creeping up where it becomes no good for cleaning.different for everyone I spose.and surely for all the big boys can’t the fact you’ve paid for water be wrote off against tax ?
That’s unusual. I wonder if the first set of filters could be dodgy if they had been sat around for a long time before being sold to you? The set of 3pre filters for the setup I have here are only about £27 and should only need changing every 3months. The RO membrane filters should not need changing more than once a year, or even longer.😃👍🏼
A.E.Mackintosh Cleaning Services it was driving me crazy.the filters and setup were all brand new.unless it was down to water pressure I’m not sure.i just like to fetch it now.i only do 2 wednesdays a month and any conservatory clean when they come. I work full time for the council and this is something I do for family and friends.if I ever got made redundant I’d do window cleaning full time though
I notice you using a garden hose from the tap going into 1/4” hose. Can you just connect up a 1/4” hose from the tap instead of standard garden hose or does it need that extra bit of pressure?? Cheers.
Hi mate,just setting up a van to do part time cleaning,currently our water is around 90pmm at home. I filled the 6litre resin bottle with new tulison resin,and it made no difference to the ppm🤔🤔. Put it through an old 2litre hydro pro (with new resin) and it brought it down to zero….any idea why the bigger bottle is not reducing ppm?? Loving the videos and learning alot.still have so much to learn. Cheers Jay
When you are measuring the PPM it will take quite a few litres to get an accurate reading from your TDS meter. When I change my resin or filters I can be working for more than half a day before I start to see the PPM drop. I know I’m using pure water because I just changed the filters, but it takes a while for the TDS meter to catch up. Loads more tips on my courses: www.aemackintosh-onlinetraining.com/collections
Yeah, regular tap water is fine for making a traditional soapy solution. This video should help ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I_At-oFdhBU.html
You said about the filters on the RO filter sytem only lasting 3 mouths But what if you only need to use it 4 times in a year ? I'm a landlord I own number of propertys just looking in to doing the windows an sofits faciers my self but I'm not sure if I'd need to use it as much maybe 4 times ayear filling up plastic containers maybe 4 times per year will the filters detirate if you use them then put them away for 3 mouths ? Obviously water has run through them
Once the filters start to be used they will deteriorate over time, so it’s difficult to say exactly how long they will last if you store them away for a while.🤷🏻♂️
I want to get the back pack waterfed system but i don't know if i want to carrying all that equipment around . I was wondering if just adding glass cleaner to water , I've been seeing windows cleaners lately using the wfp system and their water looks slightly soapy.
Hi wonder if you can help Looking to get into this as a side to help keep going a ro system i can pick up for about £75 quid which is the black tank and the 3 bottle filter or do i go for the unger at £400 and just use plain water
So is the filter plus not good then can we use it for window cleaning or not because in the start of the video you was saying it was good but at the end you said it doesn’t purify water enough
It depends how hard your water is from the tap. The RO on its own won’t be enough to take it all the way to 0ppm, you need to put it through the resin as well.👍🏼
This might be a dumb question, but here it goes. An entry level water fed pole system is $2-$ 3k. A 4-stage RODI aquarium filter is about $200. Why couldn't I just use some fittings to plug a garden hose in the inlet of an aquarium filter and attached my WFH to the outlet? Wouldn't that essentially be the same thing at about 1/10 the price?
How fast can a DI filter produce water if I just want to fill up some canisters? The Unger DI filter is supposed to be used with tap pressure but I'm assuming that's only if you directly connect the waterfed pole to it with a thin hose. What if I put a wider hose on the output? is there any limit to how much pressure I can use? Does the resin still filter effectively if water goes through it very fast?
It is reliant on your tap pressure. But there is also a restriction on the outlet valve to prevent water coming through too quickly. You might be able to make pure water more quickly if you remove it, but I haven’t tried it. The water needs to be in with the resin for a while so it ends up pure, so if it goes through more quickly it might not be as pure? But I’m not sure.
Hi Ashley, is it better to run the water through the RO System into barrels at home and then have the Di vessel after the pump in the van or get the water to zero before going into the barrels? thanks for your videos.
Different window cleaners have their own preferences, but if you run it through the di from the van it can give you the extra confidence that you are using pure water on the windows and it’s not somehow become contaminated by accident whilst storing it. Not that it would, but you never know. Also it can be handy to have the di with you in case you need to purify some tap water in an emergency.😃👍🏼
Looking to buy a pure water system for window cleaning, not looking to setup a business so just for the house and family windows. However we have very hard water around 300ppm. Will the DI only system work or really need to bite the bullet and buy a RO system?
The DI will work, but you will find that you will need to change the resin quite often, so it will be expensive. RO will be more expensive to buy at the start but you will be changing the filters less often, so it will be cheaper in the long run.👍🏼
just literally got my waterfed kit today ! i read my tds wrong thinking i had soft water but have hard water , would the black cylinder still purify my water to 0 ppm for now and then later when i have more funds get the bigger 3 filter system ?
Yes it should still purify your water, but what you will find is that you will need to change the resin quite often, maybe even every few days. So it might actually be much better for your funds to get the RO setup.😉👍🏼
There is loads of advice on my channel if you check out the playlists. Traditional tools would be the cheapest wat to go. This video will help if you want to go for water fed pole kit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lrbQb5Ib4vc.html
Video is really helpful again,Thanks! TDS from my tap is about 150 so will need an RO system. The one you use in the video is a 600 GPD? I need to be able to make around 250-300 litres per day,would you recommend a different RO than this? Still trying to put my starter kit together,will be some time before I have enough customers to need to produce more than that. Thanks again.
hello Ashley. my name is Yoav. I recently started cleaning windows with clean water. I live in the middle east and in our area it is popular to use a microfiber ped than a brush. would like to hear your opinion.
Maybe that is so less water is wasted? It is best not to touch the glass with a cloth/pad to get the best results. But it could depend on the situation.
In theory it should be fine. But in reality, some impurities can get in. I know some tanks kept outside can develop green algae. So it’s best not to store it for too long.😉👍🏼
No, the flow would be too slow from the systems I’m showing in this video. But there are systems available that make it possible. That sort of thing is more commonly used in the U.S.A.
It differs depending on personal preference really. I prefer to store it in my tank after the RO at around 12-15ppm, then it goes through the resin on board as I’m working. Then it’s nice and freshly purified as you go.👍🏼
Quick question,My water is similar to hardness around 380 ppm, I have van mounted facelift system with RO 4040 filtration. My water I produce in the tank is around 80-90 ppm, then resin making it 0ppm Would you say 80-90ppm is to high. ? I don’t remember changing resin as much. I’m coming up to my first year of business, so maybe just as I’m busier now it’s going quicker What does your van mounted system produce before the resin? Thanks
It does seem a little high. I’m not sure exactly, but I think your filters should at least bring it down to around 30 at least. My van system has a little tap so I can actually adjust this, and I usually get it down to less than 15 to reduce wear on the resin. Maybe your filters need changing? You could give the people at WCW a call to see what’s going on?😃👍🏼
@@Stev3Martin you need a booster pump to get the most out of your ro. My 40 40 gets my tap water at 450 down to 004 with a booster pump. My water now is on 022 and i have had it 15 months. When you buy a ro system all in one in the van and you connect your tap to it. Your water pressure will only be about 40 psi. You need a booster pump.
Luca thanks, yes I bought booster pump and the pressure seems noticeable better. My RO went right down to 70 but still high. So I’m looking to get new membrane now I know the Pressure was the issue. I’ve knackered my current membrane. Any recommendations on membranes filters? Thanks
Hi Ashley, I have a question on the DI Vessel set up, well a couple of questions really. The DI Vessel you have in the video, where can I get one, or similar? Is the resin easy to purchase? If I have the right water pressure, can I hook the DI Vessel direct to a water fed pole? I only want to do my own windows. Thanks in advance
Yes, the Unger hydro power unit is the most user friendly: www.soapnational.co.uk/product-category/pure-water/di-resin-tanks/pressure-vessels-resin-tanls/
HI Ash, I'm looking at wfp now that my pressure washing is slowing down. I've already got the same back pack also a facelift pump box like you've featured before which I suppose could be used as a van set up?. Either way, do you think just using the back pack would be ok for now for say up to 50 domestic customers?. Until I know what demand is like in my area, I'd rather use what bits I've already got. Cheers
Yeah sure. You might want to get a sack barrow for the backpack so you can wheel it around easily. It’s a bit of a faff to fill barrels and have to keep refilling the backpack, but it’s perfectly doable for starting out.👍🏼
HELP !!! what's an equivalent way of producing a bottle of something similar so I can do the INSIDE of my windows?? Just moved house and lounge & kitchen have huge south facing windows. We've got a guy coming tomorrow to do a pure water window clean outside - but they don't do inside. I've used microfiber cloths with window spray- but the sunlight picks up loads of smears and streaks. I'm so frustrated I could smash the windows.
It’s not easy to get pure water in small quantities. Window sprays are not very good. Try a soap like fairy in warm water, two microfibre cloths, one wet ring out in the soapy water, and one dry to polish up afterwards.😃👍🏼 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wlVbsQH6ttY.html
Thanks for video, Can you send a link for the fittings you have connected to you 1/4 Ro hose to add push fit fitting on . i have looked but cannot find them
I got in same issues when i used customers Tap i don't know what it's in their water I'm thinking to set-up in my van one day a good system did you have in the past this issues before getting the system on your Van what do you did doing the traditional one any tips
If it is very hard water you will be better to use RO method of filtering the water. It is quite slow though, so you need to filter it overnight or the day before and store the water in a tank or containers.😃👍🏼
Not every day, but every so often I will leave them to soak in a bucket of hot water to get all the cobwebby funk out of the bristles, and hot water helps to straighten out the bristles as well.😃👍🏼
Hi, Loved the video. Could you advise on the additional costs of using a DI filter for a single domestic house window clean. So windows might be done every two weeks, maybe just once a month. Does using a DI filter infrequently have an effect on its longevity? I appreciate that I am in a hard water area and would be better to use RO and DI. But for an infrequent clean as far as I can cost, payback on a system would be under two years. However the instructions for DI filters talk about needing to be flushed with water if not used regulary. So I was wondering if there are any other pitfalls that would affect my costings of using a DI filter and pole system to just clean my own windows?
Once the DI resin has been exposed to air or moisture it will start to deteriorate, no matter how much you use it. It may work out cheaper for you to buy barrels and fill them up at a local Spotless water filling station?👍🏼
Hi Ash, I've bought the Vyair RO 300GPD-f-DI. I am brand spanking new to window cleaning so at the minute I'm just gathering my materials before I sell myself, loved watching all your videos absolutely brilliant! I've tried putting it together with the info wcw gave me but I fell on the first fence. can you give me any pointers to setting up, Is it the same as you have there or are all the connections different? or if anybody has the same system they could you send me a little video on setup and conections. :)
Kevin Murphy That should literally be it, as I’ve shown. Your system may differ slightly, and you will need the right hose connections, but basically you should have water in, and two hoses out, one of which will be your pure water.😃👍🏼
I am off to buy a TDS meter, so I can decide what is the best option for me. But does any one know if I only want to make very small amounts of window cleaning quality water, will the filters degrade whilst not in use. Or will they only degrade in use. I ask thins because i may only make 100 to 200 litres every 3 months or so. (I may start offering a window clean after I pressure wash for example, and then I would use much more water for windows. Because I clean shopping centres and other big areas where windows are next to what i am cleaning I can see that it could be worth the investment. But i have no plans to become a window cleaner)
Hi Ash, rather than putting the waste water down the drain, would it be possible to fill up a static tank, get a booster pump and reuse it for the next batch?
@@aemackintosh Hi Ash, great video and great question from Andy. Adding onto it, would it be possible to then fill up a separate barrel for pressure washing driveways and roofs as that doesn't need 'pure' water?
Can you refilter your waste water after it has been through the RO system so it doesn’t have to go down the drain, like fill up another tank then re run it through the filters again Thank you
google search Resin Calculator, my water is 48, i used the calculator yesterday and was very pleased with the running costs results. You can calculate how much water you predict to be running through it a week by the size on the Di vessel by the price of the resin ... it's a very neat tool !
I’ve managed to set up my RO filtration system but I’m struggling to figure out how to attach my 1/4 inch tubing to my DI vessel,I think it’s a half inch connector,sorry to waste peoples time but can anyone suggest what fitting Id need?
You can connect up a resin filter immediately after your RO filter system to bring the water down to 0ppm. If you fill up a series of barrels, you would then be able to take those with you to refill your backpack.😃👍🏼
So using the ro system with a backpack is no good?? As the ppm will be 15/20 and no good for window cleaning?? You can't filter through a di system if filling up multiple containers for a backpack?
@@aemackintosh cheers for info, quick question - how do you feed the ro water through di filter if the system isn't in your van? Hose connect hose to ro system then pump it through di filter? Maybe hose pressure alone will go through both systems? I may just be being a bit simple about all this!! Thanks 👍
Tap pressure should be enough, but if your tap pressure isn’t very good you may need a pre pump. You should be able to get a little resin DI filter to go with those little free standing RO setups, or lots of people have the DI filter in the van and purify the last bit as they are using it.😃👍🏼
Hey there ash. I've been using the Unger hydropower ultra since I started up in August. But thinking of setting up a system at home for pure water with a tank and that wee ro system. Is it handy enough 2 connect a di vessel after the ro system. And can I use the hydropower ultra that I already have?
My tap is about 60psi which works ok. My friend Paul has poor tap pressure, about 30psi. You can use it, but it takes longer and you won’t be getting the best performance out of the filters. He has just fit a pre pump so that his system now works more efficiently. I will have to do a video to show his setup.😃👍🏼
Literally sat here reading a blog post about this, and then your video arrives... Have you thought of using something like "Spotless Water" when they open in Northampton? 5p a litre ... Wonder how that compares to costs of filters (and water depending if on a meter) ?
@@grantscleaningservices7742 This would be really interesting to know, would certainly be helpful knowing how much water you'd need to be using/producing to make either option cost effective
@@Rob21421 £1.25 for 25 litres!!! That's alot to pay. I'm in a hard water area too. I've got a basic RO system that gets my water down to about 30ppm. Then I run it through my resin and DI (unger again) I've not kept record of how many litres I have produced per bag of resin etc. But it's certainly no where near that rate. It was expensive before I had my pre filter though........ You can get RO 200GPD (Gallons per day) systems for about £60 on Ebay.
I’m still trying to work out exactly how much it costs per litre from my water bills. Since I started using my van system we had a water leak in our loft, so than ruined my calculations.😬👍🏼
A.E.Mackintosh Cleaning Services that answer doesn’t help much! In your video you could say how much the filters cost each, the price of resin etc? But thanks for the video Ashley.
Hi Ash I'm using the ro system from the tap to my tank as the water is hard as nails, I then run it through the unger vessel and it is coming in at zero. The ro system is bringing the tds down to 30, is there anything else i can do, thanks in advance. Kenny
Hi, we had our 4 month old windows cleaned for the first time with a Pure Water system as well as the fascias and soffits, the next day our house was swarmed with fairly large house flies. No matter how many of them I vacuum up (which has a one way flap so they wouldn't be able to escape from it) or kill, every few hours we find a couple more flies. Weird thing is, they're always attracted to the windows more than I've normally seen, they're fairly slow flyers as well so not too hard to catch. My question is, is there anything in the pure water system that would cause flies to be attracted to windows that have been washed with it? In the 15yrs of living here, we've never seen anything like this. The only place they can come in from is the chimney but that has one of those chimney sheep things to block it up, there's no bad smells/rotting food in or outside the property. This has been going on for about 5 days now and I've had to resort to using some lemongrass oil in a diffuser running all day which so far seems to have reduced the amount of flies. I assume this is all coincidence, but just thought I would ask in case.
Take a TDS reading from your tap to find out how hard your water is. The DI vessel will probably work fine, but the resin might not last very long, meaning that it will be quite expensive to keep changing it. So the RO method will probably be better for you.😃👍🏼
I have a sub meter on my outside tap and this keeps track of how much water I am using for work. I tell the water company the reading each time I get a bill and they deduct the cost. So my water for work costs nothing!😃👍🏼
Well, I still have to pay for my filters etc. Which need changing every so often, but what I mean is that I don’t end up paying anything extra to the water company, other than my normal domestic usage.😃👍🏼
Are you not on a water meter for your domestic usage to start with? I am and at the moment my water is only £18 per month but if I was to start window cleaning it would go up considerably
Use spotless water they have stations all the country , water is 0 PPB …. I have double DI system as well which I use now n again if it saves me time having to go to a station / happy days
Can you please do a video on the reason why some Di water can kill plants. It connects to this video a bit. With ro and di and the ppm of the water that goes through them. As ro is more a calmer filter and di is more of an aggressive polar magnetic the water molicules are more agitated when striped by the Di so want to fill their polar ends so the less ppm that goes through the Di the less ppm of water is agitated
oh yeah, not to mention RO systems ratio of purified water to waste is 1:3, meaning to get 1 littre of purified water you have to waste 3 litter of tap water, bingo, very economical green way no doubts (( Cleaning windows is not rocket science you don need zero EC level purified water like in pharama industry for instance. DI filter does the job in conjunction with say carbon filter. Besides, you'd kill hours of your time to get a drum of 20ltr of purified water using that RO system
