to me, thall riffs don’t repeat as much. vildhjarta breakdowns feel so disorienting bc they write them in a stream of consciousness type of way instead of “here’s this one pattern im gonna repeat”. just overall weirder sounds, lower tunings, and less predictable structures (this is extremely niche and pointless so it’s not that important) so yeah that’s my two cents
yup, and often when the guitar work is simple they can throw in some crazy drum stuff. in djent, what usually follows the guitar is the bassdrum, but vildhjarta often divide this "following" responsibility across bass drum, toms and snare.
Most interesting thing is Vildhjarta started off with repeating breakdowns in all their songs on the Omnislash album. All of the songs were rewritten and restructured with more random hooks and twists in every riff for the Mastaaden album.
legit, Meshuggah create the style but none of the bands that claim the style sound anything like meshuggah. most "djent" so called bands are just really really heavy prog. very few understand what makes meshuggah meshuggah is how its groovy while being weird and offbeat.
Not the biggest thall fan, but I do still have a lot of respect for the genre. Particularly because as a fan of Sludge/Doom Metal, I can personally hear a bit of influence from those genres in there, and I think it’s cool that those older influences can shine through more modern music, even if that wasn’t the intention of the artists, well, except for a band like Black Tongue, they very bluntly have doom and sludge vibes thrown in.
@@northtimo666 the video clearly says how to make, "thall" right, thall. Not djent. If you didn't know, thall is a word that was formed by the way the guitarist plays the riffs in the band, "Vildhjarta." Right, and this comment is praising the progressive metal band, "Meshuggah."
Nice man, missing the twings and twangs though :P Much different to Vildhjarta imo. Nice title / descriptions of the technical sides for laymans like me who gauge on ears :P
Rules number one of "thall". Get that brown notes 95% of the time and you're good. Anyway, that breakdown part is fucking amazing lol oh yea dont forget that china symbal.
You know those "If ___ was djent" videos? Thall is like taking a song that's already a djent song, treating it like it isn't djenty, and saying "what if we made it djenty?" It's double djent.
oh no trust me I know! I love me some thall like Miroist, I was just saying that the op vid showcasing thall vs djent couldve done a lil better separating the two. BTW I binge listen to without a whisper on repeat @@donaldmacgregor2628
He uses the line 6 pod farm “big bottom” amp sim with his own IRs. Just watched a video with buster coffee with Ola where he said it verbatim. You’re welcome
Actually yes, as far as I know, Thall is named in the same way as djent was. Djent describes the palm mute, Thall is the open note. I feel like that's probably the main difference between the two as well? Djent will be tighter, focused on staccato and palm mutes while thall is more loose, a bit more about the ambience
Bending the heaviest string at the 12th fret up a semitone so that when you hit the open string again afterwards, it's like doing a 1-0 but with a greater distance between notes. Tablature-wise, it looks like 12^-0--
Sorry, but it's not thall. Yeah, the only bend here sounded thall-ish but I'm just tired of people making these 'how to t h a l l' videos after hearing one and a half hlb or fractalize songs. Production and riifs are good tho.
I am not into extreme metal or djent but I do listen to a lot of Vildhjarta, no HLB or FRACTALIZE. But if you really do wanna Thall like Vildhjarta does, this is nowhere near that 😅
look there is still tons of metal bands who aren't focusing on low tunings, I love traditional heavy metal and all the subgenres. the super low frequencies are awesome and it is still creating art. I'm glad this variety of modern metal exists!
Sure because thall totally doesn't have plenty of fans who just enjoy the sound... don't try to reduce this to "less than a piece of art" because this is still undeniably music.
