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How To Mix Rock Guitars (and get them WIDE!) - Into The Lair #86 

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Learn how to mix your electric guitars to get them sounding big and wide in the 86th Into The Lair from Pensado's Place!
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@LFOVCF
@LFOVCF 10 лет назад
That tip about "Keep the mud in the middle" is also great for synth bass. I just tried it and it sounds great! It gives a good basic depth, yet gave a small hint of the higher frequencies to a wider pan.
@PetersPianoShoppe
@PetersPianoShoppe 10 лет назад
Let's keep the mud in the middle, hyuhhyuhyuhuuhuhuhuhh!!! +1
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 7 лет назад
As a guitar-playing engineer and music producer I have to say Dave has a great understanding of the guitarist's sonic role in rock and pop music. Guitars can easily fill a whole lot of space in a mix, so understanding tone and effects so well can save a bunch of grief finding the best palette for them. Bravo, Dave. Great tutorial!
@lorelore1407
@lorelore1407 7 лет назад
Man, that trick to put the mud in mono and the rest to the sides it's brilliant!
@ierapetra23
@ierapetra23 10 лет назад
Dave, you know why I love you? You're just a regular everyday normal guy. As the song says. Plain, simple and you're another hand that feeds my brain. Thank you for that, wish I had your address to send you home-made booze. Your knowledge and the spirit of sharing precious advice is just unbelievable. Just to let you know, you're the most likable guy in the mixing society. All the best man, happy new year. You're music to my tinnitus ears.
@J3richoproductions
@J3richoproductions 10 лет назад
i love how much you give back to the audio community, always great tips!
@legendzfall
@legendzfall 8 лет назад
I like how he says "we wanna juuuuusst kiss it" ....and he totally jams the signal with so many effects it's not even recognizable. I'd love to see what he does when he wants to really affect the sound : D
@joeybaggs7855
@joeybaggs7855 8 лет назад
+legendzfall hahah thats great. so funny
@valik-stu
@valik-stu 4 года назад
It is like Gordon Ramsay's "just touch of oil")
@leonardobadilla3374
@leonardobadilla3374 3 года назад
@@valik-stu Gordon (mix engineer version): That guitar is RAWW !
@dangelobenjamin
@dangelobenjamin 3 года назад
Love this attitude, both your personality and in your music! Great tutorial. Thanks so much for sharing this.
@cdnjmusic
@cdnjmusic Год назад
dude just found the right plugins and gave the knowledge to the world, real HERO
@JohnJonesRocketCity
@JohnJonesRocketCity 9 лет назад
That was a nice trick with the Brainworx plugin. Ive always felt like there was too much low end (mud) around the stereo edges when you push it wide. Nice trick.
@carlpowell0
@carlpowell0 10 лет назад
this is probably one of the best channels i decided to subscribe to. thankyou!
@britesynth
@britesynth 10 лет назад
awesome as always dave! thank you for this!
@Randriekus_TestPilot
@Randriekus_TestPilot 10 лет назад
Mister, i love you're style of presenting your shows!
@museman19
@museman19 10 лет назад
Thanks for the heads up on the Brainworks plug. That's so good. So right about guitar players and tone.... BTW you always teach me something and make me smile which is very cool!
@kpkyle
@kpkyle 8 лет назад
Thanks for uploading this. It really helped :)
@ferfr01
@ferfr01 10 лет назад
great dude!!, clean and simple, very pleasant sound
@snapascrew
@snapascrew 10 лет назад
is it just me or does it start to sound really phasey when you introduced that izotope plugin and even more with the doubler and widener?
@sleeplessingc
@sleeplessingc 10 лет назад
my friend where did you find that awesome chair?
@precisionsoundworks8371
@precisionsoundworks8371 5 лет назад
Thank you, Dave! Great vid!
@LoneStarTone
@LoneStarTone 10 лет назад
That was great, not simple, but straight forward. Nice insight, thanks for sharing!
@TheFRiNgEguitars
@TheFRiNgEguitars 8 лет назад
There is nothing like double tracking, but a very good tutorial... "Let's keep the mud in the middle" !!
@Mr13964
@Mr13964 8 лет назад
this is great stuff man. could do a video abut mixing lapsteel or dobro?
@thecompletejake
@thecompletejake 10 лет назад
I totally agree. I'd love to have heard this in the mix.
@dtej00
@dtej00 10 лет назад
Legend! is there much difference between the waves doubler to that micro shift in terms of wideness? you mentioned you didn't want the verse gtr too wide,. but sounds to me the microshift is quite similar only different in terms of character -
@tferraro1474
@tferraro1474 8 лет назад
I think you just said the magic words.... "keep the mud in the middle" and I can visualize where that opens up the stereo image to breathe...
@obiwanjacobi
@obiwanjacobi 10 лет назад
I am a guitarist and only an amateur mixer - but it is my personal preference to produce as honestly as possible. I want to be able to reproduce the sound that is on the record(ing) on a live stage as well. That means that if you screw up my original sound with all the plugins, I have no idea how to reproduce it. I'd rather do a retake with slightly different setting on my gear - that way I have the preset stored for live performance.
@estudio2316
@estudio2316 6 лет назад
I love this guy, the best one
@GuitarLava
@GuitarLava 7 лет назад
I couldn't tell from the video.. did you pan the guitars at all or were they straight up the middle?
@Stacity
@Stacity 3 года назад
loved it Dave . Im using Diamond eq and iv just downloaded your eq made for Acustica.
@manemann9255
@manemann9255 5 лет назад
This guy is the best in the bzness hands down thank u once again sir
@greghillmusic
@greghillmusic Месяц назад
So he's sending a mono guitar to a widening send? Is this maybe what he does when he's not given double tracked material?
@yoooh09
@yoooh09 8 лет назад
Cool! Fantastic
@DavidLaChanceJr
@DavidLaChanceJr 3 года назад
Someone else said it and it’s still true. Trash 2 is the most underrated plugin in the plugin folder. The best guitar distortion pedal sim on the market
@maxmus9854
@maxmus9854 2 года назад
2021. Great video!
@doziermuzic
@doziermuzic 8 лет назад
Your one of the best of the best.
@eross21
@eross21 3 года назад
what is the routing here? are both tracks going to an aux bus? or one guitar? are all those effects on one track?
@GutterColin
@GutterColin 7 лет назад
Very cool! Thank you
@ISREHL
@ISREHL 7 лет назад
"..a meal, we're not adding a ton of jalapeños, we're just putting a little spice on it ..." LOL engineers are the best at describing concepts. Love it!!
@chrisparker6282
@chrisparker6282 5 лет назад
any ideas for how to make your rhythm guitars stand out from your melody/lead? i am using different amps and trying to focus on different mid range frequencies but its still sounds weak! im no jimi hendrix or eddie kramer but you can listen to recordings and see there is a softness to the backing. when i add rhythm to drums it sounds workable, then i add lead on top and poopy poo. please help! thanks
@InADayInALife
@InADayInALife 9 лет назад
After watching a lot of this guys videos I'm starting to see a common theme. That is in my opinion he is doing like an infomercial for plugins. I respect this guy and all but he really never gets beyond just using plugins. If you want to separate and differentiate your guitars and get them WIDE! A good engineer can do just that without all the digital crap. Using double tracking / layering, mic placement, phasing, delay. You get the same result, this is ole school stuff that this guy should know..
@03ckam
@03ckam 9 лет назад
***** " If you want to separate and differentiate your guitars and get them WIDE! A good engineer can do just that without all the digital crap. Using double tracking / layering, mic placement, phasing, delay. You get the same result, this is ole school stuff that this guy should know.." He's saying it like Dave wouldn't do any of those things if he was doing the tracking but my point is that he doesn't do the tracking for all these mixes. How can he go back and use all those techniques if he isn't doing the tracking? That's why he has to resort to doing all these tricks to get the guitars wide.
@wilz373
@wilz373 10 лет назад
finally !!!!!!!!!!!! thanks a million Sir !
@jackcurtisdaniels
@jackcurtisdaniels 10 лет назад
He said 5K but if you take a look at the dip on the plug he is actually pulling out around 500 hz. Dave is an amazing engineer and keep watching his videos and you will continue to learn. He doesn't always say what he actually means :) I think it's just a test to see if you where using your ears and not just listening to him talk haha
@somor98
@somor98 8 лет назад
And voila!! It sounds like a synth... : )
@olas591
@olas591 4 года назад
hahahahahahahaha
@djblackielzoo
@djblackielzoo 10 лет назад
Very very very cool! Thanks...
@rawrome
@rawrome 9 лет назад
Why does this not play anyone know? as i need to use it as a reference on mixing rock guitars for my assignment at university, does anyone know of any good videos online I can watch to help me
@pianomanplanet
@pianomanplanet 10 лет назад
great idea with spreading out the high frequencies and not the lower "mud," gonna try that
@bbuteo
@bbuteo 10 лет назад
when comes to record great stereo guitars, i really believe that the best technique is record two different but similar guitar takes and put each one on separate channels (left and right), very old technique but probably the best one, the guitar gets so big, it can be tricky if it is a complex guitar but the payoff is huge, i do it most of the time, anyways tx so much for sharing your great knowledge with us im a big fan by the way
@nicholaslepp1502
@nicholaslepp1502 4 года назад
whenever i cant get a player to nail something twice, i put the amp'd signal on the left and a direct signal with fake amp emulator plugins on the right just so they sound different then use Dave's micro tempo automation thingy he showed us to make every other note a smidge late or early. it's just enough to fake it good lol
@nicholaslepp1502
@nicholaslepp1502 4 года назад
@Lawson Russell that would account for the two tones but not two different timings. there is no right or wrong way, though. i'm sure many of huge records have guitars done all three ways mentioned here.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 4 года назад
@Lawson Russell commonly enough... both... Two mics will be used to capture Tonal variation, and will always sound like one guitar. Use a dark mic and a bright mic, maybe you could pan those but generally only tiny amnt if any. Afterwards you can balance them like an EQ. Two takes makes timing, pitch variations, two completely different signals but with similar-or like two guitars playing
@rockboy360
@rockboy360 9 лет назад
I wanted to hear the final result of both :( but I still prefer to double track them with different guitars, amps, pedals, eq, etc
@music7studios
@music7studios Год назад
What you said about not needing too many jalapenos, but just a little bit of spice, I got that on a deeper level, lol. I'm from the South too.
@anthemmakersmusic
@anthemmakersmusic Год назад
He was a highly stylized you! Very respectful young man, a credit to you.
@loobytate630
@loobytate630 9 лет назад
I am confused by thinking you have to have 2 guitars recorded separately and to pan them 100%left and 100% right. if I do this with guitar plugins will they loose the tone or sound when they are panned if I use your system or way this tone loss or quality would not occur
@8900sand
@8900sand 10 лет назад
which widener is he using?
10 лет назад
I am French, so excuse for my errors, I have the reverb of lexicon and waves and I look has to realize this reverb can you help me please? austin mahone never let you go,or austin mahone never let you go
@spectralsymphony
@spectralsymphony Год назад
The issue can be that many people listen to music on smartphones and as the speaker is mono, or very close together on the phone, you may get an undesireable phasing effect when using certain doublers, or when shifting two mono guitar samples on left and right ear by a tiny amount.
@TylErik777
@TylErik777 11 месяцев назад
This is sooo true!
@phikingofficial
@phikingofficial 10 лет назад
what's the name of the McDSP Eq that dave is using @ 0:57?
@kevinmiller39
@kevinmiller39 3 года назад
Any of these available on iOS GarageBand
@localpm
@localpm 10 лет назад
Brilliant thanks.
@TonyClarkGuitar
@TonyClarkGuitar 10 лет назад
Stumbled here somehow and glad I did. Really great advice. Wish I knew 1/100th about recording. Maybe even 1/1000th!
@me6980
@me6980 2 года назад
it is work in live streaming band ?
@HukkitukkiUK
@HukkitukkiUK 3 года назад
Legend!
@WBHWhiteBloodedHands
@WBHWhiteBloodedHands 5 лет назад
This program the pro tools???
@Fabelnegros
@Fabelnegros 3 года назад
flawless!! that ending though 😅
@TotalSurrenderMusic
@TotalSurrenderMusic 10 лет назад
Was that guitar panned right up the center?
@bboymac84
@bboymac84 6 лет назад
Your the man!!
@matthewtoledo3675
@matthewtoledo3675 8 лет назад
You're awesome, Dave. It just had to be said.
@williamhough33
@williamhough33 10 лет назад
How does one keep on notice for when plugins are being released free? I one on Avids website about six months ago. How do you monitor for these freebies, Dave? Also, very grateful to your tutorials. I recently finished my engineering apprenticeship with RRF Connection and find all your videos very helpful.
@KirkyDrums
@KirkyDrums 5 лет назад
Hi Guys whats this song called can someone send me a link please
@FreddySheinfeld
@FreddySheinfeld 10 лет назад
Very cool if you only have one guitar available, otherwise you would layer them left and right to get a wide effect, right?
@BeethovenboyProductions
@BeethovenboyProductions 8 лет назад
This is really kewl!
@StudioFosterSeattle
@StudioFosterSeattle 10 лет назад
THANKS PENSADO!!!
@barryjneely
@barryjneely 8 лет назад
"We're not adding a ton of japalenos, we're just putting a little spice on it." Love it.
@emeraldeyes929
@emeraldeyes929 4 месяца назад
4:10 You can also do this with mid side eq. Just put a high pass filter at 300Hz in the side channel.
@JakeSharpProfoundStudio
@JakeSharpProfoundStudio 8 лет назад
Dave's a guitarist, Right?! Sounds great as always.
@uberTof
@uberTof 7 лет назад
What chair are you sitting in? That thing is dope!
@mickaelsahl1644
@mickaelsahl1644 10 лет назад
thx so much sir
@jamalmiguel
@jamalmiguel 2 года назад
“Just kiss it” not a ton of jalapeños. Dave’s the man.
@Thomas0661
@Thomas0661 5 лет назад
2:28 From Offspring to 90s Metallica Sound right there.. Amazing
@johannsoncrusoe5589
@johannsoncrusoe5589 5 лет назад
I love the microshift! Try it on Crewshouts, too! :)
@FinnGamble
@FinnGamble 10 лет назад
It would be really nice to hear the guitars in context of the whole track. Heard this way, they sound really processed to me, although they probably fit the song perfectly.
@cymatic83
@cymatic83 8 лет назад
I imagine recording with this man would be like recording with The Dude from Big Lebowski. And that's meant as a compliment.
@tferraro1474
@tferraro1474 8 лет назад
He strikes me a little bit of both The Dude... and yet I suspect there is a touch of Walter in him... but since your name is Kyle... now I hear him with Cartman's voice.... lol!
@TheJoeTyrel
@TheJoeTyrel 9 лет назад
If you are looking for a mix engineer, try Raz Klinghoffer, he's truely one of the best
@BeauFerchaud
@BeauFerchaud 9 лет назад
If these guys are going for stereo delayed guitars, why didn't they just double track them?
@esp1344
@esp1344 9 лет назад
thats the first thing i said too. this kinda just sounds like phasey bullshit
@BeauFerchaud
@BeauFerchaud 9 лет назад
***** wow!!
@AndJamTracksForAll2014
@AndJamTracksForAll2014 9 лет назад
***** 18 guitars dang bro!
@BeauFerchaud
@BeauFerchaud 8 лет назад
Not completely true. I like all of the albums up to the black album. Everything after that can kiss my ass.
@BeauFerchaud
@BeauFerchaud 8 лет назад
+DoktorDamage Am not :)
@xXxTHEBEATMAKERxXx
@xXxTHEBEATMAKERxXx 9 лет назад
your plugins r so cheap but i love how you know how to use them.
@SamBorgman
@SamBorgman 10 лет назад
Agh, I'm finding more I try to learn how the pros do it more difficult and choked up I get in my mix process and in forming new ideas. I think everyone should just experiment like hell with all the plugins they have or can get. You can come up with crazy cool sounds that way and its totally original. Hell with sounding like the pros, if its good its good, all you need is the ear to know when its good and when its bad.
@duel5071
@duel5071 7 лет назад
Sam Borgman agreed. Experimentation is key
@creep2k
@creep2k 10 лет назад
Man, I would love to hear all these things and examples in context. Never will I have to mix a verse guitar by itself, don't matter if i got it sounding kickass on its own, if it doesnt work with the other parts does it?
@tjsi63
@tjsi63 10 лет назад
I liked the way they sounded without added effects, but as far as tips, there interesting.
@TerenceKearns
@TerenceKearns 10 лет назад
Cool
@mudh
@mudh 9 лет назад
you are wonderful Dave , whatever I have leaned, I owe a major part to you , just one little request , so many times when you tell us how you made a particular sound by using a certain plugin , the only choice we feel we have is to have that plugin , so you yourself can evaluate better what is it or what is the process in that plugin that has made that sound .....so that we know how can we achieve that effect with other things, I can't make out on my own, I just understand that if I don't have that plugin,I can't do it till I get it......and that video becomes of little use to me.Thanks for everything.
@Hexspa
@Hexspa 8 лет назад
+mudh Think in terms of basic components. For instance: making your low frequencies mono - there's a number of ways you can do it but essentially you're splitting a signal into two parts: low and high. In Live you can make an Audio Effect Rack with 2 chains (lol 2 chainz) with an eq and Utility on each. The EQ can determine which band you're affecting and the Utility can control stereo width. You don't need all his plugins to get similar results. Just ask yourself, "How can I do this with what I have?" If you don't know what you got or what your current tools do then what good will more plugins do you? In that case it's time to crack open the manual or watch instructional vids on what you already do have. Peace.
@mx.r.taylorlindsey838
@mx.r.taylorlindsey838 8 лет назад
That's what I do! You have to watch your phase on your crossovers though! Don't want any holes!
@kel2814_
@kel2814_ 10 лет назад
i usually just double track my guitars
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 5 лет назад
Cale King, why?
@alejandromoro
@alejandromoro 4 года назад
@@mrflynn01 why? cause that's the way to do it.
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 4 года назад
Alejandro Moro, how about phase in your recordings?
@alejandromoro
@alejandromoro 4 года назад
@@mrflynn01 what's wrong with that? it's just something that you need to check. 99% guitars in ALL records are doubled. Are you just starting producing / mixing?
@mrflynn01
@mrflynn01 4 года назад
Alejandro Moro, new to the recording business? That’s not what my gold and platinum records say.
@bbuteo
@bbuteo 10 лет назад
4:42 lololo totally agreed fat frequencies should stay in the middle and the most centered as possible
@iamclarity
@iamclarity 10 лет назад
Moreover, what Dave was doing was showing his students tools and techniques that are at your disposal when tackling the task of mixing guitars. But, as someone previously said to you, it seems peculiar that you hear only the guitar and immediately know that it needs 5k. What if the record is a darker record? An arbitrary 5k boost may make the guitars stick out -- you're right -- but that may be detrimental. If you do know how to mix, John, I surmise it should be rather easy to agree with this.
@JohnLaFosse
@JohnLaFosse 7 лет назад
Could someone discuss the panning of guitars. I've heard differing opinions. I usually go mono and a bit to the right. The brainworx plug-in is a good suggestion. Never heard of it. Must try.
@skylinesproductions409
@skylinesproductions409 7 лет назад
Why only right? Izotope is great. I like to sometime double my track, boost a certain freq range slightly on left, and boost different freq on right. Cut most all lows and add some distortion as well to make it crispy
@JohnLaFosse
@JohnLaFosse 7 лет назад
Makes sense. Run it through a muiltiband plugin with different eq and panning for high mid and low. I can picture it in Abelton but do not have pro tools. I enjoy Amplitube and Reason's Scream rack unit. What I lack is good analog tube sounding guitars that saturate without mudding everything else or sounding to tinish in order to compensate.
@WizzRacing
@WizzRacing 10 лет назад
I love how Dave looks for new ways to get a different sound he is looking for. That's the way it should be. To many people copy what someone else learned and call it there own nowadays its pitiful. Music should be you're own style and taste and no two people see art the same way or hear it the same way. The best you can do is capture the idea and feeling and hopefully convey it to you're audience.
@EnveBeats
@EnveBeats 10 лет назад
does anyone know the name of the widener plugin with the purple triangle hes using??
@Stratosmusic
@Stratosmusic 10 лет назад
S1 Imager by Waves
@EnveBeats
@EnveBeats 10 лет назад
Stratosmusic Thanks!!
@sleeplessingc
@sleeplessingc 10 лет назад
use the isotope its just as good. Its like he said its the most under rated plug in out there.
@Stratocat93
@Stratocat93 10 лет назад
Stratosmusic like your name, bro! ;P
@Stratosmusic
@Stratosmusic 10 лет назад
haha, thx :D
@kOTBEAT
@kOTBEAT 4 года назад
4:45 is gold dave pensados
@123lowp
@123lowp 10 лет назад
very cool..!!! :)
@bigdoggetom6549
@bigdoggetom6549 7 месяцев назад
Can't believe I've had to go to a video from 10 years ago to get a good high quality video that's straight to the point and informational, without some hyped up 22 year old acting like an idiot for four minutes before glossing over everything and trying to sell a mastering service
@reverendgroove
@reverendgroove 10 лет назад
I'm not sure that anyone can say that one method is best in all circumstances. Sometimes a mix may need a guitar part that is subtly wide. I think it's important to have parts in a mix that don't call too much attention to themselves, then the more important parts don't need to compete. Also I've had guitarists hope that double tracking will cover inconsistencies in the playing, (sometimes it works) - so it does cut both ways.
@JakeLewisReal
@JakeLewisReal 5 лет назад
that soundtoys plugin
@VincentMusolino
@VincentMusolino 10 лет назад
I thought I heard phase issues when Dave puts the doubler on?
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