The fact is (I believe) that all of this "outside" thinking and playing now, contemporarily, just sounds +jazzy+ and +cool+, and no longer contains the feeling of an expanded vocabulary, or sonic use of the instrument
The fact is (I believe) that all of this "outside" thinking and playing now, contemporarily, just sounds +jazzy+ and +cool+, and no longer contains the feeling of an expanded vocabulary, or sonic use of the instrument
I agree and think it has to do with the “packaging”. Even the way a video like this is presented (and presented well I will say!) As an educator it’s a hard challenge to talk about this kind of playing without giving students 100s of years of tonal/harmonic context. It usually ends up being more lick or device based (which IS part of the tradition) but in my experience students don’t really “hear” the harmony. Maybe after plugging it in enough time they will, but I try and approach it from an expanded harmonic context and more exploration of the colors/timbres of the instrument (there’s a reason saxophonists play fast things with altered/OT fingerings haha, it sounds cool!) and lots of ear training around tension and release.
Love that you are challenging the concept. I am trying to find my way in this too. Reharmonizing changes, playing super imposed changes like Coltrane changes or others over the coming chords. The discussion is amazing. All lines can be interpreted in many different ways and the more you look the more ways you find. I think the essence is to find out how you want to sound and how you want to express yourself. There is no right or wrong in the game of music, but you need to mean it
Thank you so much. I just answered in another post, but I love the discussion. What to call what and how to approach this. The harmonic structures or just sounds leading towards each other
What’s your source for Joe starting sidestepping exactly? I’m very interested in jazz history and harmony and I love Joe’s playing, but Tristano was playing sidestepping chromatic harmony at least a decade before Joe (recorded history at least). I wouldn’t say that Tristano was the first to do it either though, but it was implemented into his style fairly consistently by the early 1950s