I love the idea of a medieval dnd setting where the thieve's Cant code is actually a set of modern real world memes that are updated regularly by some mysterious individual with a gate open and an internet connection.
That “uncanny dodging a cliff” sketch reminded me of the 3.5 Iron Heart Surge, a Warblade ability that “ends the source of an effect.” By rules as written, it lets you turn off the sun because the sunlight is bright light that affects your ability to see.
It lets you do a lot more than that as written... You can turn off an enemy's life, or turn off an elemental plane, or turn off time... Or turn off the DM since they're the real source of all effects.
Its far funnier to use this while drowning - The ecological consequences are less damning but more fun than the sun disappearing, such as a bunch of Aboleths suddenly being upset.
The Rogue is my favorite class and yet my friend created my favorite concept for the class. He made a rogue who wanted to be the best rogue had a normal backstory very happy go lucky, but he heard all rogues had tragic backstories so for the entire campaign he was trying to murder his family.
Love that flavour. I on the other hand personally think of swashbucklers as more of the bard rogues. Not so much the usual musical kind of bard but more the seductive, charming criminal who’s able and prefers to talk their way out of trouble, using violence only as a last resort.
I vibe with the description of rogues as particularly human. My first DND session, I made a human rogue because relying on skill and deliberate action felt more relatable to me than tossing fireballs. Relating to my character is important to me in RPGs.
The amount of fun stuff in this vid while still remaining clear and relevant to teaching people how to build a rogue really shows how far your editing/video concepts have come. Well done, dude.
I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on RU-vid. I already make a lot of money on RU-vid. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, der
Fun fact about ranged attacks: If you are within 5 feet of a creature that can't see you, your ranged attack doesn't have disadvantage since it specifies "that can see you."
But he's prone, which is disadvantage to a ranged attacker anyway, if they are farther than 5ft away. Like you said, only being hidden actually sorts this gordian knot.
Proned enemies give you disadvantage to hit unless you are within 5 feet, and using range gives disadvantage within 5 feet. So yeah there was no scenario there where he was going to get advantage (without crossbow expert or the UA fighting style Close Quarters Shooter) but he did have a friendly in 5 feet so there was also no scenario where he was going to not have sneak attack.
@@exturkconner "You don't need advantage on the attack roll if another enemy of the target is within 5 feet of it, that enemy isn't incapacitated, and *you don't have disadvantage on the attack roll*." Doesn`t matter if there is an Ally near the enemy. He got disadvantage so no Sneak Attack. It`s automatically canceled out
@@matthewtompkins4338 wasn't going: "The purple dragon Knight is the best at this". Was just saying they could do it. I also don't know if the battle masters is a straight upgrade though.
The coolest feat for Rogue is the Mobile feat. Extra movement speed, ignore difficult terrain and don't provoke opportunity attacks when you leave their melee range after making an attack. Excellent for that slippery, hit-and-run playstyle. My absolute favorite rogue feat.
🎶Ain’t no one gonna hit my fleshmeat, prepare for your defeat: I’m taking the mobile feat.🎶 “Oh no” 🎶Sneak attack, run away. I can dash, it’s okay. No reaction attacks, I’m too fast, that’s a fact.🎶
Theif is my favourite subclass for Rogue, because I love using items in combat. So something I like is when the Dm allows using an item interaction against another creature to count as an attack for the purposes of Mobile and other features. It makes me feel like my Rogue is able to do a lot more with what they have, like using a Piton as a knife and stabbing a prone creature, then using a Hammer to hammer it into the ground, pinning the creature....LOVE Thief.
Theif is my favourite subclass for Rogue, because I love using items in combat. So something I like is when the Dm allows using an item interaction against another creature to count as an attack for the purposes of Mobile and other features. It makes me feel like my Rogue is able to do a lot more with what they have, like using a Piton as a knife and stabbing a prone creature, then using a Hammer to hammer it into the ground, pinning the creature....LOVE Thief.
You can sneak attack if you have both Advantage and Disadvantage if the enemy has a hostile entity within 5 feet of them at that time. You just get only one die to roll. Dan Dillon (Game designer for DnD 5E.) confirmed this on Twitter. So yes, on both of those prone sneak attack skits, Jacob could have used sneak attack as he had both, used a finesse weapon and the enemy had a hostile entity within 5 feet of them.
Fun fact! Scout's level 3 doesn't specify walking speed. So get yourself a burrowing/flying speed, and just say no to any further attacks for the turn!
Burrowing is hard to get, though. I think the only way is to wildshape or polymorph. But a rogue who is also a badger makes sense to me You'd think Harengon would get a burrowind speed, like, you know, rabbits
The issue is that even if you cant get attacked any more, you took the full attack damage, and then the rest of the damage went to another, probably squishier, party member instead. Even if the ability avoids you getting attacked for an entire turn, you probably burnt your reaction to get zero benefit and maybe make shit worse. Its HORRIBLE.
@@Siennarchist What you described is an awesome opportunity to make a choice in a potentially dire situation. Dramatic, dangerous... I'd say you've just invented role-playing. Dropping the sarcasm, you literally explained why it's an AWESOME ability :) But that also depends if you're in for the "winning" or for the "role-playing" part of this table-top *role-playing* game. If it's not obvious, I prefer to be presented with difficult and interesting choices, but it's okay to be into other aspects of the game. You do you.
@@borofreak my roleplaying ability generally isnt dependent on flushing me and my party's hitpoints down the drain for zero benefit. Using a bad ability to roleplay doesn't make it a good ability. Also theres a ton of choices and flavour you can make with any subclass. Adding an option that is nearly always terrible to your toolkit isnt any more roleplay enabling that an actually good ability
"The ground rolls to dodge you." *rolls* "The ground fails. You both take 500 damage, but the ground's gravity skill negates most of that." "Wait! I roll to steal the concept of gravity!" "Can't, you're already stole the concept of Pigeons, and there's a hard limit of one concept stolen per game." "Oh, right. Darn."
While playing 3rd edition years ago my rogue was knocked off a Mesa by an attack. I jokingly asked the DM if I could declare the ground for my +1 AC dodge bonus. Laughs were had by all; I took full damage.
scout rogue is just non-magic ranger, which I've definitely been wanting for a while and it has a unique fighting style thanks to skirmisher, making a hit and run melee rogue or even just using it to keep out of reach as a ranged rogue, especially since it can be used with steady aim since it's a reaction movement. Frankly all the scout abilities are pretty dope and importantly very different from other subclasses
Yes!! I've been looking for some scout support! It's one I currently play and I love it! (Also have a ranger Gloomstalker in another game, similarities are spot on but just different enough to take you from that tanky ranger feeling to the sleek shadow walker of a rogue Scout. I love my scout rogue! And she's so good at everything that when she does fail it's epic and fricken hilarious!
It's unfortunate that skirmisher requires an enemy to END it's turn next to you as opposed to just moving next to you. You have to take a round of attacks for skirmisher to trigger.
@@exqueue3813 that it is. And since it's a reaction I've found myself saying, should I skirmisher or just stay here and uncanny dodge? I use both quite frequently but it would be pretty cool if you could skirmish just as they enter melee range (well 5 ft, in case you're a bugbear or have an extended reach melee weapon)
I tried scout in some adventure league games I played last weekend. The Skirmisher feature worked well with the Steady Aim feature. I used a heavy crossbow. Skirmisher usually got me out of melee so no disadvantage for being in melee. Steady Aim gave me advantage so I could attack whatever target I pleased on the battlefield, and if skirmisher didn't do the job to get me out of melee then steady aim backup sword works. Elven Accuracy feat at 4th level made that single attack per round very likely to hit. I had fun with it.
I fricking love scout rogue. I played it exactly as a non-magic ranger, and taking 2 levels of ranger when I was higher level. You get more feats so I had skilled, sharpshooter and skulker. You get 2 extra expertises in nature and survival, it's easy to stay out of melee range, and it's lvl 17 ability is *AMAZING*.
A cool idea that our rogue came up with was to use a whip and, when making a sneak attack with it, could initiate a grapple check to try and wrap it around an enemy's arm or legs. This made combat a lot more fun for everyone, because he got to be more strategic in fights, and when he successfully entangled someone it was fun for the party to just wail on them
An easier way for me as an Eldritch Knight is... Use my Action Surge Teleport, a Teleport Spell or Scoll, or Telekinetic Feat a target (Familiar) upward (away from me) while holding onto it in order to reset the 10ft Fall Distance. ... Game mechanics...
Jacob, scouts are hella fun. They're _excellent_ at skirmishing within a party, and as far as not splitting the party goes - _that's what scouts of any class are supposed to do._ It's a _lot_ more dangerous to bring everyone along on a stealth mission to gather information than it is to go alone. It always goes wrong with all of the people in it, and rogues are _designed_ to get away safely even if they get caught somehow.
quote: "It's a lot more dangerous to bring everyone along on a stealth mission to gather information than it is to go alone." I once build an infiltrator-type character (years ago, in a Pathfinder/d20 3.5 hybrid D&D campaign), a Warlock/Factotum/Rogue multiclass, who was great at sneaking & perception, could turn himself invisible at will (from his Warlock powers), basically I wanted to see if I could use D&D to emulate the Spy from Team Fortress 2. And the character itself worked; he could get in and out undetected (he had a Ring of Spiderclimb as well), deliver info to the rest of the group, or take out guards ahead of the rest of the group moving in. He would have been great in an urban campaign, too, not just in a dungeon. Unfortunately, herein lay the problem: My character was _too skilled._ Very quickly, the other players started complaining that my spy scouting ahead meant they were forced to sit and wait while the gamemaster gave "solo adventures" to me. Even if it was just 5 minutes... they were getting bored. (Note: They were adults, 30+ year old players, not teens!) One player in particular was deliberately sabotaging me. (He was a power-gamer who was good at coming up with the most broken class/feat combos to build absolute monsters, be it warriors, psions, rogues or whatever... I had learned combo-maxing from him.) In that specific jungle-dungeon/pirate campaign he played a fighter, and if my infiltator was scouting ahead for more than a few rounds, the player would complain he was "bored now" and his fighter would "insist" on going in to "look for our rogue", proceeding to loudly break down doors to deliberately alert every enemy in the area. (And yes, he even admitted to me he was storming in after my character to force the group into frontal fights, something in which his character would be better at than mine.) After a few game sessions, the gamemasterask me to scrap my infiltrator-spy character and make a new one, specifically citing the "splitting the group" thing. I was pretty pissed off, because I had spent a lot of time on building and fine-tuning that character, writing a background story to fit the campaign etc. I had thought I was making a character who was useful to the group... but from the point of view of the other players, this wasn't a team game, this was about screentime, and my character getting (in their mind) too much of it from the GM.
I feel like Jacob's take on the Scout kind of solves the problems laid out by you guys. It focuses on turning the _entire group_ into a scouting party, able to gather information ahead of fights and plan engagements undetected; whilst still remaining the clear outstanding expert in that particular field. It's like if Pass Without Trace was an entire subclass.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog There's definitely something to say about that, that the player experience across the table matters. Of course, _I'd_ be the one asking for the interrupting player to scrap, because that's an incredibly impolite thing todo. None-the-less, that's certainly a event which is made by the tastes of the players in question. If players can't handle 5 minutes without something to do, than it's not a game in which individual character time is appreciated, and therefore scouting characters aren't good for it. There are many ways to change that though, including giving the other players the chance to control (or at least narrate) creatures that the rogue sneaks past... estimating where the rogue goes during the scouting mission silently, followed by relaying only the key pieces of information so a plan can be hatched, then giving additional info _as it is needed or relevant_ during the ensuing party infiltration (this is a very effective and fun gameplay choice).
@@Zappygunshot I think it comes down to how DM's and players expect and choose to handle Scouting events in a game. Splitting the party is fine, but isolating a lone character for exclusive gameplay time _can_ be a problem, depending on the patience and the shared-interest that players have for others' characters. See my response to @crunchyfrog about how to run scouting easier. The game needs to be fun, so if one tactic in our story-telling game isn't being fun, don't remove or punish the tactic, change how you tell the story.
Awesome video that explains all the details a player should know about the rogue. Can't wait to see this a third time when the inevitable 5.5 hits the shelves
12:40 Everyone's so focused on stealth, but what about Deception? Arcana? Investigation? A rogue who knows more than most wizards? The ultimate speaker (better than bard mostly)? Genius investigator?
Exactly. I played a soulknife rogue with expertise in History and Arcana, whom was basically a mad scientist. He turned himself into a dhampir by accident and spent centuries continuing to study. Basically like Dracula from Netflix's Castlevania, he had a whole wealth of knowledge that most people had forgotten.
While I love the concept, and basically played it, I'd say be careful and talk to other players/GM before going this route on some other character's turf. Some players might be a bit disapointed/salty their wizard ain't the true arcana expert for example, and can ruin their fun because that's basically the only thing their character is good at outside of throwing fireballs.
And I'll add, it can even be disapointing for you when the GM decide that it's too overpowered or want to please the other players. You can be in a situation where they tell you that only spellcaster can do this arcana check on anything related to magic, or transform athletics checks into strength checks for example so that the barbarian still outclass you while it wouldn't have happen if you weren't that good.
The most powerful Rogue still not super magical would actually be a Wood Elf Rogue. Fleet of Foot and Mask Ability thing so has an additional chance of hiding when lightly obscured. Plus starts with some weapons training.
Just wanted to say, I absolutely adore!!! the little skits and visualisations you did in this video, it’s funny, changes the pace of the video, explains well and is just plain awesome.
I will not tolerate this Scout slander! By far my favorite rogue subclass, I love the extra expertise and movement-based abilities. I really like that it provides the flavor of an entirely martial ranger, which 5e was otherwise lacking!
I mean u can just multiclass into something like fighter (which is a good multiclass) and go battlemaster. And then get the brace maneuver from Tasha’s. That allows u to make an attack of opp against a creature that comes within 5ft of u. Which means another chance to do sneak attack (and u add the superiority dice as well). And just pick your expertise to be what scout gets (skill expert feat as well). Theirs also maneuvers from Tasha’s that allow u to add to ability checks. And if u go swashbuckler u get something like the mobile feat when u attack on your turn. The main problem (which I found out not that long ago) is the moving ability scout gets is at the end of the enemy turn which means they get to attack u first. But with being able to attack when the enemy comes within u can maybe kill them before they can attack and even if u don’t u can just move away on your turn (which is like what the scout did but u got a lot more dmg out of it). Now I’m in no way saying your not allowed to like it and I’m definitely not saying it’s terrible but it could definitely be better and theirs better subclasses. Anyways sorry if this was kinda long.
@@davidstratton696 The movement you get at the end of their turn works *very* well when you've already created plenty of distance with your 40' base movement and cunning action dash. They'll likely have to dash just to reach you, and then you skitter away untouched because they can't even take a swipe with their opportunity attack. Now that you're away from them again, guess you can just rinse and repeat. The other nice thing about getting survival and nature for free is that you've still got your base proficiencies and expertise. You don't have to sacrifice on the usual suspects, and can take your stealth, thieves' tools, maybe investigation and arcana. or perception and acrobatics... you get the idea. Those other two are added on as a bonus. Plus, the scout's features are very reliable and passive most of the time. When I played an assassin rogue, I'd find almost every battle was against enemies with crazy high initiative or when we were ambushed. I think I actually got my assassinate ability off *one* time. Or you've got stuff like inquisitive's eye for detail, where unless you're fighting enemy rogues that are hiding on their turns, you'll almost never make use of the feature at all. Scout is far from the worst rogue subclass.
@@Schmeethe88 The thing is if your a swashbuckler or get the mobile feat (or u can find some other way to get more movement) then u can do that too. So it’s nothing special here. And the extra expertise is nice but u get 4 expertise and can get the skill expert feat (u also get another skill proficiency and +1 to an ability score so it’s half of an asi and since rogues get an extra asi it’s not a big deal). Again nothing special. Also as I mentioned before if u multiclass into fighter u can go battlemaster and get maneuvers that apply to ability checks so your a lot better at ability checks (one of which is initiative which is pretty cool). Did u have alert on your assassin? That helps. And your party must not have had a anyone with good perception if u kept getting surprised (if u have the alert feat u also can’t be surprised). Again the biggest problem with the scout is their ability to back away without an attack of opp is after the enemy ends theirs turn within 5 feat of u so the enemy gets to do everything they were to do and they have to stay within 5 ft of u (which is dumb). It should be as soon as they come within 5ft which is what I thought it was until not that long ago. I don’t see y that would be any more helpful then u just waiting till your turn and just backing away with either the mobile feat or being a swashbuckler (or just disengaging with a higher movement speed). And with any of those u can keep your reaction so in a way it’s better most of the time. Since u can use uncanny dodge or if u do what I said and went battlemaster u can use brace and easily get another sneak attack (along with adding the superiority dice to the dmg). Since if u kill the enemy u won’t have to worry about being hit from that enemy anymore. Like I said it’s not really terrible it just could be better.
@@Schmeethe88 Idk I think compared to all the other subclasses it’s the worst (again not terrible). Cause all of it’s features (at least not in the way later lvs) u can either go without or can just get it in a different way. Where as something like fast hands, being able to sneak attack 1v1, auto crit, being able to give allies advantage at range as a bonus action, and spell casting r things u can’t really replace. I’m gonna be honest when 5e came out I thought thief was pretty bad (I still don’t think it’s anything special) but u can build it around using items like a potion or a healers kit (if u have the healer feat) or some other way idk. Idk my favorite subclass is the arcane trickster (that and swashbuckler I’m gonna say r the 2 best and I’m not even that big on swashbuckler). Really tho the subclasses overall for the Rogue seem kinda limiting in a way. Like I wish their was a rogue subclass that purely focused on range attacks like the swashbuckler with melee (from my knowledge their isn’t). The closest we have is scout but it’s kinda disappointing for being the only thing that can be considered a purely range rogue subclass. It’s just nothing special is all.
@@davidstratton696 just get sentinel and get a side kick or use the melee character as a partner. double sneak attack at level 4 plus stealth is a shit skill so you don't even need medium armour master so just dip cleric for the armour
I love playing rogue in DnD 5e. It has a lot of flavor I get to mess around with. Campaign 1: Kleptomaniac Gambler Gnome Rogue with expertise in deception/sleight of hand. I loved to gamble/wage at opportunities that didn't call for it including rolling dice against a god (He cheated of course). I was a trickster rogue so this added to my persona. Campaign 2: Sword College Bard/Swashbuckler tabaxi rogue that did alchemy in my downtime. Made modern medicine muscle relaxers, had a tavern band, and hunted giant weasels. I wanted a mix of rogue with sword bard cause flourishes are super cool and I wanted the feeling of dashing in the battle engaging opponents with disengage available.
In the first situation you would still have sneak attack even if the enemy is prone since there was an ally within 5ft. Remember you have neither advantage or disadvantage since they cancel out.
@@DetectiveInspectorMe. exactly. You don't need advantage for sneak attack if you have an ally within 5ft of the enemy and you don't have disadvantage which you don't since in that situation it was canceled out and you are considered to have niether advantage or disadvantage. Therefore sneak attack applies.
yo jacob. did you know? the ability to move half your speed using your reaction is pretty rad. A melee focused rogue could position themselves to give advantage to them and allies (though I know you don't use this rule, regardless it would be helpful in your personal flanking rules too). In general its a powerful tactical option. Also I agree, take the mobile feat so you will be faster and even harder to pin down as a scout, making you super maneuverable as you have multiple options to essentially dash and disengage. That extra 10 ft at 9th level? means you could move 20 ft at least (if you're not a small race) when you use your reaction to move. Hey thats 25 ft with mobile. advantage on initiative rolls? Do you know how important going first is dude? You have a significant tactical advantage and could drop a weak enemy early, or since you grant advantage against a single target, even if you miss that significant boost to accuracy you just gave your party for a turn is going to turn the tides in your favor if it can be followed up on, especially against a strong foe. an extra attack as a bonus action that can apply sneak attack against a second opponent? sure its spread out damage but that means you could potentially drop 2 weaker minions or do damage to the big bad and a minion. Oh wait you missed that first attack? Well that attack applied advantage to the enemy so guess what? you have advantage on that second attempt and are guaranteed sneak attack. Is the big bad alone? that means on that first turn when you go first and you didn't get sneak attack on that first attack you get it on the second attack on that first turn. scouts dope you're just being a hater yo. i love you though.
As a scout. You have two extra expertise included in your kit... If we took everything officially. No multiclass. The scout rogue can be a non magic replacement for ranger. Have the most skill proficiencies and expertise of all the other rogue subclass. Sure assassin have the highest damage ever. But it only applies to a surprise round. 1 round.
I love this class so much, it makes you feel like a phantom thief and John Wick combined into one. The sheer bonus to skills makes you think about doing some really interesting maneuvers and counters to monsters. (Like shooting a wizard from the rafters of his own tower.) I can't wait to see how the class continues on.
Love how the mastermind capstone feature is being held up as good while flat extra damage from the scout is bad apparently. Like, how often in DND has your character had its mind read? Literally never for me. The ability is almost useless, which sucks.
It’s because at that level the mastermind is already cool and awesome so getting a flavouful ability is cool where as scout is still boring at that level and just gets something else kinda boring
@@chase7629 An extra attack that can apply a second sneak attack in the same turn might be "boring", but it is very powerful and definitely tops anything the Thief subclass brings to the table. The subclass is designed around an archer build and ambush tactics, and is meant to be played similar to an archery ranger, but with sneak attacks instead of extra attacks. So if you want an archer that is focused on precision attacks and stealth (like most archers in fantasy media - Legolas, Green Arrow, Robin Hood, etc.), scout is the best fit for that.
"Scout's the same but arguably worse" Skirmisher >>> Fast Hands (Reaction movement without oppourtunity attacks is much better than bonus action object use) Suvivalist < Second Story Work (both situational but climbing and jumping comes up more often) Superior Movement >> Supreme Sneak (Movement is powerful extremely powerful, especially since it increases the reaction movement even more, there are a million ways to get advantage on stealth) Ambush Master >>> Use Magic Device (Unless you are stealing items meant for other party members, you likely aren't going to get many items made for other classes, Ambush master can make very power first turns against bosses) Sudden Strike = Thief's Reflexes (Sudden Strike is very very strong, but better for ranged characters than melee characters so limiting in that way, Thief's Reflexes is really really strong on the first round, but only the first round.) Looking at the abilities, Scout is definitively better than Thief, thief is better situationally.
@@kurtisdeakin I know! >=( Going to be playing Fighter (3)/Rogue (17) in an upcoming campaign, going Echo Knight and Scout. I will NEVER be pinned down.
The problem with the reaction movement once you get past early levels is that you get it after they’ve attacked… which, if they hit, you may well want to use uncanny dodge on. I just don’t see that much benefit in reaction moving ten feet, unless it will stop another enemy reaching you. But rogues have enough mobility that you should generally be able to avoid this anyway. I like fast hands for the combat medic thief build, but it is pretty situational outside of that usage. Advantage on stealth rolls isn’t super easy to come by imo, but pass without trace exists, which is better than advantage, so definitely agree supreme sneak isn’t great
@@lexolotlgod i would recommend taking Fighter to level 7. You can possess your echo and use it for reconnaissance while having all of the abilities of scout
I LOVE your explanation of Thieves' Cant. It's how my brother and I ran it back in the day, but before the global phenomenon if internet memes we never had the language to elegantly convey our interpretation of what it meant in-game
Fun facterino: A ranged attack only has that 'adjacency disadvantage' IF: There is a creature within 5 feet of you, that creature is hostile to you, that creature is not incapacitated, AND that creature can see you. ALL of those have to be true - if they're stunned or blind, if you're invisible, then nada, no disadvantage. Fun fact, a ranged attack can autocrit an unconscious/paralyzed creature, if within 5 feet.
The Scout has one simple but effective role-play feature: Survivalist. It gives them proficiency and expertise in the Nature and Survival skills, which not only are on brand for a brigand whose jobs often bring them out into the wilderness but can also save their party's bacon in a pinch. Skirmisher does sacrifice your reaction but it can make some distance between you and your opponent, which is really good especially if using hand crossbows or even firearms as primary weapons. Superior Mobility also kind of feeds into that, increasing the Skirmisher distance from 15 to 20 or to 25 when combined with the Mobile feat. Ambush Master is another synergistic Rogue feature for the party in combat, since if you're facing off against a single large target, simply by hitting them do you grant everyone else in your party advantage to hit them. Good for the resident Barbarian or Paladin but even better if, for some reason, you decided to be in an all-Rogue party for the lolz and memes. In that party, if you went first, you'd be automatically guaranteeing everyone else's Sneak Attack provided no other detrimental disadvantage dealing effect is active. Sudden Strike, whilst a late-game feature, is a grand reward for sticking with the class for so long that you can pop Sneak Attack as a bonus action against an enemy creature as long as it's not the same creature you attacked prior. Compared to Thieves' Reflexes, which applies once per combat, since Sudden Strike is a bonus action, you get to do this TWICE on all of your turns, which can help lighten the load for the frontline combatants if you and the party got yourselves into a fight against a large horde of goblins, for example. "Damage now is better than damage later." - Kobold from Pack Tactics
@@exqueue3813 Not to mention the hard counter to a horde of goblins is like, a single fireball. AOE attacks at this level just delete things like goblins and kobolds, and magic users are great at AOE.
Yeah,like others stated, while it's theoretically possible and cool you can attack a lot of enemies, at that level you usually fight some outsiders, archmages with powerful bodyguards, liches,really Really tanky monsters(because the DM has no imagination and thinks that lots of HP= bigger challenge), all of which are immune to sneak attacks(or so freaking tanky that it doesn't matter). So you're just a brooding fighter with less hp and darker clothes. Is it evident i'm not a fan of higher level play?
lol just play ranger and good berry juggle for that plus ranger's have entangle and spike growth not to mention conjure woodland creatures. Hunter's mar is also a awful spell btw
I actually made a Rogue who's expertise was Investigation and Perception(private eye style character) he wasn't even proficient in thieves' tools. He was a blast.
Yeah I’m playing a Batman/ Nitghtwing inspired vigilante rogue. It is fun to have a high investigation score. The DM has this big conspiracy going on in the main plot and it’s fun to gather and put the clues together.
@@MandalorV7 I have a back up character who's a Battle Smith Artificer who is built to be a Private Investigator. A single damave cantrip and then just support spells, and focusing on using the automaton for protection.
Ok but that whole 'Falling off a cliff and avoiding damage' thing happened to my rogue during a campaign. She was a Soul Knife, and one of their abilities is teleportation to their psychic knives if they throw them to an unoccupied space. But then that got the whole table wondering if the teleportation preserved momentum Portal-style, or if it would simply pop the character into existence in the unoccupied space without preserving previous movements. We decided on the latter, and my Rogue was able to survive a half of a mile fall to earth as a result.
Aw come on man Scout has a lot of utility and can help out the party. It's totally does have plenty of flavor! It's super fun and not a bad subclass ;0;
one homerule thing one of my DMs do is give Thieve's Cant to people with the Criminal and Charlatan backgrounds, mainly so that he can write more of these situations as plot points in the world while not *requiring* a player to take a level in Rogue, while still giving reasoning with the chosen backgrounds to know that code the idea that not only do these down-to-earth rogues know it, but the idea of giving it to other criminals of different specialties opens a lot of fun doors that keeping it tied to specifically Class doesnt, and these people are still in-the-know since, well, they're criminals!
14:19 Just like the Scout: using a shortbow and flanking (which is stupid easy to get), that’s two attacks, each dealing 10d6+dex. If both hit, that’s an average of: 80 damage (assuming +5 DEX)
If you're planning for endgame scout 17 barbarian 2 guarantees both sneak attacks and doubles the damage dice. You just have to build for STR instead of DEX.
Both of you apparently can't read. The assassin's features almost never come up and if it does, it can only happen at the start of the combat encounter (and is also tied to a saving throw in the most common save) while the scout literally just gets an extra attack WITH sneak attack.
@@94alibey And dealing 80 damage every round is much better then dealing 80 damage on the first round of 1/3rd of combat encounters. And honestly that's being generous to the assassin.
What I like about getting Thieves' Cant with Linguist is that it's flavored to be you understanding how language works, and being able to decode the cyphers left by others with relative ease
I actually gave the rogue in my campaign some pretty good stuff. He gets advantage on every stealth check, and a second action. He also has two daggers that increase in damage every time he hits with them, and they can be thrown which they return to his hand after his turn ends. So don't be afraid to give your rogue a bone if they keep failing checks or don't get a high stealth roll.
Man, wouldn’t it be great if you could cover all the other classes and subclasses?! :D Seriously though, I loved the original series and this was great so I hope to see more remakes covering the new content.
Rogue with sentinel feat is amazing when next to a fighter cavalier or barbarian ancestral guardian. You get to do a lot of damage somewhat safely, and it’s such a spike in efficacy you can experiment with other feats that you might not normally pick.
I love rogues so much. My longest running PC was a tiefling rogue, he was your standard "kill first talk second" arcane trickster rogue, but after an event in which the party gazed through a portal and saw the multiverse, they instantly levelled up and i made him multiclass into a paladin of redemption.
Scout has plenty of flavor. It’s great for someone that wants to play a more realistic ranger (no magic). Sure, you could do fighter, but fighter can be pretty much anything non-magic. As for abilities, I personally think expertise is what makes the rogue. Getting more is great. Plus, skirmisher is fun to mess around with.
Wait, in the situation where Colton is on the ground, the rouge should get sneak attack because he has neither advantage nor disadvantage and Colton has another creature threatening him within 5 ft. "If circumstances cause a roll to have both advantage and disadvantage, you are considered to have neither of them, and you roll one d20"
The reoccurring skit about him having sneak attack funnily enough doesn't change when you are more than five feet away since prone only gives advantage on melee attacks.
Scout was fun as a deep gnome in the Underdark. One of my favorite rogue choices. Skirmisher is an awesome movement ability. The subclass is awesome for smaller lineages for the extra movement.
I love this, 'cause it's not actually "this is how you play Rogue, this is the best 'n' only way way to do it", it's more o' a "here's how the Rogue works, go have some fun with it (but don't play Scout)".
I am quite a fan of Jacob's videos. The parody stuff is always funny... it seems that my 3 kids (age 8,10,12) like it too, because ever since we watched this video they are are now constantly singing "what kind of rogue are you?" around my house daily. Haha. Nice work.
Using Uncanny Dodge to eacape fall damage? "There is an art to flying, or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. ... Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, that presents the difficulties." -Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
The assassin doesn't get crits on their first turn. Only on surprised enemies.... which pretty much never happens. Okay, nvm, I just realised that Jacob apparently didn't understand how the assassin's features work. Either that.... or he doesn't know how surprise works.
Watching this video I got inspired to make a rogue character who’s like a more kind and sweet Indiana Jones, who can dodge traps and get into locked areas and who needs to warm up to the idea of murder
I really like when the party splits. It can create drama and result in some fun shenanigans. Best session I ran was when the rogue wanted to sneak into the villains castle while the other players were talking with the maybe villain.
a curious thing about the sneak attack its that ita damage element its equal to the weapon do you use, so a arcane trickster with shadow blade can like do 2d8 psychic damage and 3d6 extra psychic damage by sneak attack. correct me if my math its wrong.
I like Scout in my skill build: race with +2 skills, scout rogue, level dip 3-4 levels into lore bard, skilled feat and skill expert feat. It gives proficiency in all skills, rogue mobility options, jack of all trades for non-skilled checks and initiative, reliable talent is actually good, etc. For me specifically I have been going changeling, taking rogue level 1, then bard for 3 levels, a level dip into divine soul sorcerer (law bloodline) for bless, the guidance cantrip, shield and absorb elements for survivability, a 4th level into bard to get that earlier ASI for skilled feat + a new 2nd level spell and cantrip, then the rest in scout rogue. So 15 levels total in scout rogue, all skills in the game, shapeshifting, support options to buff your party or nerf the enemy with cutting words, shield to maintain concentration if they miss on multi-attack or uncanny dodge to halve the damage, evasion eventually for saving throws, and I like to toss in sharpshooter, crossbow expert, and feytouched (for misty step and hunter’s mark) for a little bit of combat capacity. This only works for me because my gms have us roll for stats so if I roll 2 good stats I put them in dexterity and charisma. It isn’t actually that strong compared to a levels 1-20 wizard or anything powerful, but it’s fun for me
The way I love to flavor thieves' cant is similar to the secret signing language in The Belgariad books--quick, subtle hand motions made while holding another conversation. It's easy for me as a DM because all I need to do is have the NPC strike up a regular conversation and mention the signing, and what it means. Example: "as they catch your attention with a tale of their recent fishing exploits, their hands are busy in what looks like fidgeting to the untrained eye--but you recognize it as delicately signed Thieves' Cant. 'meet me behind the temple of Selune in an hour's time. I know who you're looking for.'"
I find it so weird that the subclass that either needs a week to use one of their features and whose main gimmick needs enemies to be surprised gets respect, but the subclass that is about a wilderness hit and run ambush fighter gets shit. Seriously if you rarely suprise enemies and don't have an entire week to set up a new identity the only features Assassin get are advantage on the first turn of combat (if the dice don't betray them) and advantage to imitate some one (if they spend 3 hours with them), sout is objectively better because at least you can almost always use their abilities.
i wish your video stats could show me hitting subscribe five seconds into the "what kind of rogue are you" song. song slaps, your video is hilarious, and this is genuinely such a helpful class overview 😂
man I really forgot that you did all these "how to play" videos a while ago. This one felt almost nostalgic. The song was so cool that I wanna listen to it again. Seriously even the part at the end of the video, felt like a 90s movie about adventures in oriental lands
Scout gets a lot of hate but the 2 expertise really lays the way for a skill monkey character. Plus being able to reaction move is amazing for ranged characters, also saves your bacon against anyone who has a sentinel feat from locking you down.
I actually like playing rogue. not for the combat but because if you're not playing an edge lord, you can be really favorite party member that has solution for every situation. I go with "If there's something I can't do, I have at least tools for that" and it gets really funny when both our fighter and barbarian fail their strength checks and my rogue with strength of 11 succeeds just because he has a crowbar and can give himself advantage for the roll :D
8:38 When you're falling both earth and you are moving toward each other, you mass has little effect on earth but is not zero, so the earth is moving toward you. So you can argue that you can dodge it in that scenario.
5:23 Wouldn’t Jacob still have sneak attack for having an ally within 5 feet of the target? Since it’s a flat roll and you are considered to have neither advantage or disadvantage?
Nope... Since 1 Adv and 1 Dis Adv being active on you and on your targets gets cancelled out, regardless of the sources. But you still perform the Sneak Attack damage/effect.
@@davidstratton696 Unless Sneak Attack requires you to have Adv for this ability to work. All this does is, giving you Adv which is cancelled out by the Dis Adv. But you can still deal the Sneak Attack damage dice. Just get the Feat: "Luck" if you want to avoid canceling out your extra hit dice or to add a 3rd dice to your hit die. Not that it will be useful in the entire combat session.
First game of D&D ever tonight. Classes are limited because it's a beginner campaign. Ended up picking Rogue. I quickly realized two things : -I can spam sneak attack -I can only use sneak attack
