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How To Plug a Eurorack Module In, Correctly (Eurorack Power 101) 

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Discussing the most important lesson in Eurorack: How to plug in a Eurorack module so you don’t utterly destroy it. HANDY CHECKLIST BELOW!
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EURORACK POWER PRIMER AND EXTREMELY NERDY POWER CHECKLIST
Eurorack power is delivered through ribbon cables which must be correctly orientated on both the module end and the power distribution end. The ribbon cables plug into either 10 or 16 pin strips on the products. Many manufacturers put special connectors that use a notch on the ribbon cable ends, to ensure they can only be plugged in one way around, which is helpful IF the ribbon cable has been correctly manufactured. Not all manufacturers use these headers however, especially on the module itself, and there are many inconsistencies between manufacturers. There are NO universally agreed standards, necessarily.
There is a +12V side and a -12V side on each connector. -12V on the power plug should lead, via ribbon cable, to the corresponding -12V end of the pin connector on the module, which is often marked with variations on: ‘-12V, Red, Red!, Red Stripe, “|” and so forth.’
Unfortunately, the responsibility of confirming correct orientation lies with the user.
1. Is the cable made correctly? Cables can be made incorrectly. When you fold the cable over itself and compare the pin connectors with the notches facing in the same direction, is the red/coloured stripe on the same side of the connector on both? This indicates a good cable.
2. Are you actually plugging into a power socket on the module? Some modules have expansion sockets which use the same connector type as a power inlet. These are normally marked, but may not be. Check the manual to be sure, or ask the manufacturer.
3. Now you found the power inlet socket on the module, do you know which side of the pins expects -12V? This is where most mistakes that damage modules get made - it is never wise to unplug the ribbon from a module.
As mentioned, the -12V end of a Eurorack module's power inlet is typically marked with variations on ‘-12V, Red, Red!, Red Stripe, “|” and so forth. CHECK THE MANUAL TO BE SURE, OR CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER _ONLY_.
Typically one would plug the module in so that the Coloured/Red Stripe on the ribbon cable ends up located on the side with the -12V power pins.
BE AWARE THAT NOT ALL MANUFACTURERS NECESSARILY PRODUCE CABLES WHICH ARE DESIGNED FOR THE RED STRIPE TO REPRESENT '-12V' - CWEJMAN LITERALLY DO THE OPPOSITE. IT IS MISLEADING TO ASSUME RED STRIPE ALWAYS INDICATES -12V BECAUSE OF THIS.
Doepfer do not indicate power orientation on many of their modules, nor, inexplicably, do they indicate this in the manual either. But they maintain a design principle that the -12V pin is at the bottom of the module, if the module is held upright. But this 'rule' applies ONLY to Doepfer, and some have horizontal sockets(!) DO NOT APPLY IT TO ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER.
CHECK THE MANUAL TO BE SURE, OR CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER _ONLY_.
4. Is the other end of the ribbon cable plugged into the power output socket on your Eurorack power distribution board/flying bus board the right way around?
You are aiming for -12V on the module to lead to -12V on the power board. The -12V should be marked with text, or a red stripe.
On many distribution boards, shrouded headers are used so that you literally can ONLY plug it in one way round. So it is essential that your ribbon cables be made correctly. JUST DO NOT ASSUME RED STRIPE AUTOMATICALLY MEANS -12V.
When connecting to unshrouded connectors (bare pins, i.e. Doepfer, Intellijel), CHECK WHETHER YOU ALIGNED THE PINS CORRECTLY. It is easy to accidentally plug the power connector in too high or low accidentally, especially when swapping out a module in a dense system. CHECK WITH A TORCH, or feel above and below the ribbon cable with your finger to confirm no pins are floating free!
5. Final check before power on: You should be able to use your finger and trace from the -12V INPUT pin on the power header of the module, through the ribbon wire, to the corresponding -12V OUTPUT on the power supply.
You are aiming for -12V/+12V on the module to lead to -12V/+12V on the power board. Irrespective of red stripes.
If you are in ANY doubt, DON'T CHANCE IT - it's statistically more likely you're going to get it wrong, than right. CHECK THE MANUAL OR ASK THE MANUFACTURER.
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@kttkttkt
@kttkttkt 5 лет назад
This is the most passive aggressive video I have ever seen. Louis Rossman would be proud.
@iqnill
@iqnill 5 лет назад
Let's pray that nobody got triggered and needs therapy now.
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 5 лет назад
Rossman is into studio recording gear as well (mentioned in one of his videos).
@slowgaffle
@slowgaffle 5 лет назад
haha of course i found fellow Rossman viewers here...
@samtrenter6438
@samtrenter6438 5 лет назад
real talk, this is one of the scariest things about getting in to eurorack.
@lassejensen1210
@lassejensen1210 5 лет назад
I totally second this. Power and cables were easily the most intimidating parts of getting into it for me as well.
@automaticbazooti
@automaticbazooti 3 года назад
i've built a few PC's in my short time here, but as i watch this waiting for my 6U case to show up; I'm terrified lol
@jakebrown7395
@jakebrown7395 4 года назад
"This is Nam, there are no rules." Don't know if he meant Vietnam, or the National Association of Music Merchants, but it works both ways.
@AFinalForm
@AFinalForm 5 лет назад
Thank you for this. I'm surprised at how rarely it seems to be covered in "getting started with eurorack" videos and guides.
@blakasmurf
@blakasmurf 9 месяцев назад
What boggles my mind here is that 10 pin PCB headers for ribbon cables are EVERYWHERE. I've got a box full of them when building my DIY Midi2CV they're really hard to just buy one unit. So I don't get how every manufacturer doesn't just have a box of these in the corner of their factory. Finally it's quite easy to protect the circuit from reverse polarity. Again not doing both is a questionable choice especially for relatively expensive modules!!!
@MichaelGilboe
@MichaelGilboe 5 лет назад
I am just diving into Eurorack with about $3000 of modules on the way, and I had never seen anyone discuss power. Whew! Thanks in advance!
@milk_bath
@milk_bath 5 лет назад
Lol good luck figuring all your modules out.
@BosseCory
@BosseCory 5 лет назад
Dear sweet lord, you've spent $3000 to start? Have you considered this might be a tad brash?
@kaibarrera9911
@kaibarrera9911 5 лет назад
Dont worry about the haters Michael. Youre good just go for it
@MichaelGilboe
@MichaelGilboe 5 лет назад
I’m not a newbie to synths or music production, just to Eurorack. But I like diving in whole hog, and I’ve been watching lots of videos and planning out the rack for a while. I’m excited.
@BosseCory
@BosseCory 5 лет назад
Well, alright. Good luck, then!
@deejaydubla
@deejaydubla 5 лет назад
A spot of red nail polish on the -12v side of the pcb of any unshrouded header is a good idea if the orientation is in doubt.
@FILML4D4N
@FILML4D4N 5 лет назад
I have done that too :-)
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 5 лет назад
Good idea that, just permanently add in the missing info on the module!
@driteronikqi
@driteronikqi 4 года назад
oooh kinky
@richarquis
@richarquis 3 года назад
Alex, thank you. I only received my first case (Rackbrute 6U) and my first 5 modules (Mutable Instruments Stages, Frames, Blinds, Marbles, and Links) just yesterday. The module ribbons were pre-plugged, but I checked the red stripe to -12V on the other end, even though the plugs could only go in one way. Everything is fine. But I am so happy I saw this - THANK YOU - It could be the difference between ecstasy and sorrow someday down the line. As always, we know who to turn to.
@thomassynths
@thomassynths 5 лет назад
To augment your Doepfer shaming, I will go on record and shame Cwejman for his idiosyncratic use of the stripe. It's completely unacceptable.
@sampleexamplemusic
@sampleexamplemusic 5 лет назад
yeah, seriously. that is a garbage design to pull on people who spend so much on such modules...
@VictorSteiner
@VictorSteiner 5 лет назад
11:00 ... let the anger flow through you!
@VictorSteiner
@VictorSteiner 5 лет назад
PS: love to hear „Schadenfreude“ from a non native speaker ;)
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 5 лет назад
You spend a premium amount for a Cwejman and he dickishly decides to break convention. Fuck that guy and his modules, no matter how sweet they sound.
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 5 лет назад
Well I actually hung out with Maho Cwejman herself this weekend and to their credit - she explained the reason they put red as "+" is because in electronics, red always means positive!! In that respect it is more logical than Doepfer. But unfortunately it's the opposite of the more widely-owned-and-traded brand. Bottom line is there are no standards, no 'rules' - the ultimate lesson of the video is 'be aware, be informed, and just triple check everything'. With that said, I do think Doepfer need to put a note about power info in each and every one of their module manuals.
@waltersmetak
@waltersmetak 5 лет назад
Man, don't even trust the mighty "The Definitive Connecting Power Thread" on Muff!!!! But must say, your advice on connecting Doepfers (and, yes, I have an a148 S&H!) is priceless! Their modules are a pain in the neck to connect and you always have to email Dieter about the right way on hooking them up - thanks a million for the video! One of your best! Essential!
@RobertMaxwellMediaCorp
@RobertMaxwellMediaCorp 5 лет назад
Good timing releasing this video since I'm about to power up my new case for the first time tomorrow! Thanks for reminding me not to be too hasty in my excitement
@frankie1833
@frankie1833 5 лет назад
bless you, Mylar. your pain is our gain. would've KILLED for a video like this when i was getting into eurorack years ago!
@dimensionalineage
@dimensionalineage 3 месяца назад
This masterful presentation is doing the lord's work.
@donaldmartin3365
@donaldmartin3365 4 года назад
Just seeing this, and even though I consider myself pretty vigilant in plugging in my modules, you have made me both paranoid and grateful. Checking all my connections this moment just to be sure. Thank you for the valuable tip and necessary lecture. Cheers
@diglet553
@diglet553 5 лет назад
I'm glad you're doing the video anyway, it's a good warning to all the newcomers, as well as a decent reminder. I managed to fry a DIY project a long while ago, all because I accidently put a connector on backwards and didn't check it thoroughly before switching on the power.
@paradiddle16
@paradiddle16 2 года назад
I know it's an old vid but just bought my first modules and this is extremely helpful. Thanks a million!
@CoolspyGaming
@CoolspyGaming 5 лет назад
The quality of your videos are top-notch. Greeting from Sweden! :)
@Dan2Hibiki
@Dan2Hibiki 5 лет назад
I wish this video existed when I started out. Stressed me the hell out putting the system together for the first time
@lassejensen1210
@lassejensen1210 5 лет назад
You and me both.
@kaibarrera9911
@kaibarrera9911 5 лет назад
same
@waltersmetak
@waltersmetak 5 лет назад
Nothing more tense than connecting a module - always sweat terribly when the time comes to turn the thing on - you never really know.....
@Dan2Hibiki
@Dan2Hibiki 5 лет назад
especially considering you're often looking at frying $300+ with the flick of a switch...
@noisejockey
@noisejockey 5 лет назад
Alex, this is God's work you're doing with this video, man. Also, additional note about unshrouded headers: I know all of this, and I STILL killed a module by not literally being able to see well enough by SKIPPING AN ENTIRE ROW OF PINS. Not offsetting, up or down, but side to side. BOOM, spark, smoke - luckily it was a single capacitor that blew (I found a chunk of it in the case later on). The Make Noise boards don't even have pins that go UPWARDS, like the Doepfers; they are parallel to the back of the case, making it even harder to align properly.
@sear2558
@sear2558 5 лет назад
omg preach - blowing a module with this simple mistake is horrendous. somebody needed to make a video like this for a long time - glad it was mylarmelodies
@Larry30102
@Larry30102 3 года назад
Great video and can't be overstated how important this is. As a newbie, this is most valuable. Great teacher!!
@iaint999
@iaint999 Год назад
You sir, are a bloody life saver. Just watched this, watched it again, went online to read the MN Morphagene manual (I know right?), ignored the forums, and I'm now the proud owner of a fully functioning module I have no clue how to use....it doesn't say in the manual you have to have balls of steel to operate this stuff...I owe you a pint, cheers bro.
@gonzalorigada2561
@gonzalorigada2561 2 года назад
Thanks man! If I havent watched this video before yesterday, I would have burned a module. Very similar to what have happened to you, only difference was that what was facing the wrong side was the black plastic thing that conects to the case. You saved my module. Cheers man.
@Lightbath
@Lightbath 5 лет назад
So well done. And the Monty Python (or presumably some other nuanced English humour that reads as Monty Python to ‘this here’ American) section heading treatments are ACE.
@davidknight754
@davidknight754 5 лет назад
Lightbath -- And now...... the larch. The...... Larch!
@iqnill
@iqnill 5 лет назад
Funny that... The only module I ever fried was a Doepfer Wasp. It came from the shop with the cable wrong way around (the red...) Luckily the thing that blew was a dual OpAmp with I replaced quick smart. The lesson is: 1. Electrickery is made of smoke. 2. The smoke is kept in small back boxes with metal legs. 3. Once you release the smoke electrickery cannot work. End of class.
@EricAdamsonMI
@EricAdamsonMI 4 года назад
Glad you opted for looking things over, rather than making a Yule Log video of your limping module! Too many people, faced with a module struggling, immediately give up and euthanize the poor thing.
@CraigMorrisTrumpet
@CraigMorrisTrumpet 3 года назад
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have been a fan and follower of yours for a long time, and love your content. I also listen to and love your podcast. Anyway, this video was so helpful to me as I just successfully added my first module to my Make Noise Shared System. All went well thanks to your guidance. Much appreciated!
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 3 года назад
Thanks m8, glad to have you listening and watching!! 👍
@kgbinfo
@kgbinfo 5 лет назад
Thank you for this. I am about to get into eurorack for the first time. Having people like you willing to help newbies takes off a lot of the terrifying guess work. Oh and also your voice is like dark red velvet and toasted chestnuts.
@ShivJG13
@ShivJG13 2 года назад
Thanks for this. I've just take delivery of my first euro rack case, and two Doepfer modules. I've had slight anxiety about connecting them properly after reading people's horror stories. I'm still mildly anxious, but I have the tools now to hopefully not set fire to stuff! 🔥🔥🔥😂
@localhost4460
@localhost4460 3 года назад
As a newbie: this was incredibly great advice! Thanks!
@abominablemusic
@abominablemusic 10 месяцев назад
I'm currently soldering up a DIY module, so this is super useful!
@cellardoreproductions
@cellardoreproductions 4 года назад
you just saved me from plugging in the cables wrong!! thanks : )
@Banksyyt
@Banksyyt 2 года назад
Thank you for doing this. It really helped me.
@thestinkyweasel6297
@thestinkyweasel6297 5 лет назад
This seemed like such a silly video. I know all of this, and I know power... BUT.... This was GREAT. Very in-depth and lots of info on various modules and manufacturers! I guess people in Euro come from all backgrounds, and this is wonderful advice. I have 2 modules that had zero cues on the boards, and only one of those had instructions in the manual, so I had to contact the manuf. for the other one. NBD people, don't lose your fabulous investments!
@romerouno17
@romerouno17 2 года назад
thank you for this wonderful explanation!
@WorldFungusChamp
@WorldFungusChamp Год назад
I was rewatching this today and it’s very ironic because I just found out I had a Happy Nerding module connected backwards! Luckily, even though I’ve powered my case on with it installed wrong, it still works. Gotta had it to designers for including reverse power protection in modules more and more. Thank you for reminding me to always quadruple check my power connections!
@stevebuchan6642
@stevebuchan6642 5 лет назад
I thought 30 minutes on plugging modules in? Who is this guy kidding? This is sage knowledge. Learn it!
@paulsutherland3813
@paulsutherland3813 3 года назад
thanks. watching this video before plugging anything in convinced me to trade all my powered modules for passive ones. sorted.
@CurrentFantasy
@CurrentFantasy 3 года назад
This video is like when a celebrity gets busted for drunk driving and is ordered by the court to do a serious drunk driving PSA. Sobering. And appreciated. I've yet to kill a module, but have definitely rolled the dice a few times. 😬
@accidentaltrigger
@accidentaltrigger 5 лет назад
It's a good topic of conversation and it's definitely worth noting not to disconnect modules from the ribbon cable, ever! And check cable connection to module if you buy something second hand👍👍
@murat_buyuk
@murat_buyuk 4 года назад
Funny told very important modular topic. Thanks mate!
@felixfelix9084
@felixfelix9084 4 года назад
DUUUUDE this video just saved me my first eurorack modul, a Soma Lyra 8 fx it came with a foulty cabel o.o I am forever in your debt thx ^-^
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 4 года назад
!!! 👍
@simonsandleitner2341
@simonsandleitner2341 Год назад
You are so pissed 😂 I totally get it. Thank you for the great guide!
@BeauSkowron
@BeauSkowron 3 года назад
Mylar, I watched your Intellijel Metropolis vid 4 years ago and thought "I'll never do that....". I picked up a mini doepfer box yesterday purely to power the Metropolis which arrived today. You're a dangerous man - but thank god for your videos. I'll read the manual now.
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 3 года назад
Modular satisfaction is a dish best served cold! 🙌
@BeauSkowron
@BeauSkowron 3 года назад
haha you animal.... I write acoustic stoner folk music, why the fk do I have this nonsense crazy sh!t in front of me?!? You, Mylar. That vid just sat in my brain for 4 years and now it's real. Genius.
@iantheorem
@iantheorem 5 лет назад
Very good points!!!
@skunksmisery
@skunksmisery 5 лет назад
Bad news: Dead Module Good news: Another Mylar episode.
@ryanpwm
@ryanpwm 5 лет назад
excellent tutorial. I try to run this in the background while I unbox a new unit.
@streyt
@streyt 4 года назад
thanks a lot for the helpful video
@shonkyboy
@shonkyboy 3 года назад
Someone said aggressive passive dude, now i was at the Hacienda when it went south - talking electronic pioneers and stuff - Amnesia and stuff.... then 92..... , this is not aggressive, this is ASSERTIVE - this guy helped me big style,. Anyone else that whines, gets a poke in the eye. I came here to find no-nonsense - this is no nonsense - great, great stuff
@jimboburgess42069
@jimboburgess42069 5 лет назад
Red stripe down is super handy for the 143-4 quad vco/vclfo where the power is horizontal.
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 5 лет назад
Hahaha...eeeeeeexactly. Wow
@AshBashVids
@AshBashVids 5 лет назад
Surprised they didn't add a stripe on that one. My A-110-4 has a horizontal header, but has an indicator for -12v.
@BottleBass1977
@BottleBass1977 5 лет назад
Alex! Great video, nice to see the basic stuff being covered so well. Ugghh, don't get me started on ribbon headers :O little tip I picked up along the way - most (if not all) IDC ribbon headers will have a small triangle in the moulding directly next to Pin 1, which should be the Red stripe side.
@sopasopasson5563
@sopasopasson5563 Год назад
Thx ! Basic info - feel better knowing this before installing $$$ modules. Most brands are fail proof, but some are not ! Cwejman for example !
@jerod-s-rivera
@jerod-s-rivera 5 лет назад
JP1. Thanks Doepfer. Thanks alot.
@kenschestok9515
@kenschestok9515 2 года назад
found myself back at this episode after I accidentally unplugged my ribbon cable from my a124 wasp filter and saw no marking on the pcb and nothing in the manual. thanks again for this!!!
@brnsndwch
@brnsndwch 5 лет назад
Amen Mylar
@matthsmatthsmatths
@matthsmatthsmatths 5 лет назад
First module I ever plugged in was the wrong orientation. It went 💥. Cwejman modules can be any orientation without blowing them - which is great!
@synkrotron
@synkrotron 5 лет назад
a stark reminder... thanks Alex :-D
@JohnEmuu
@JohnEmuu 5 лет назад
the first module I ever bought came to me with the cable connected to the module wrongly. I had no idea, and connected it but nothing happened. Lucky though no damage was done. When I figured out it was the wrong way around, I turned it around and it worked. So poo poo to Vintage King Audio, and horary for Pittsburgh Modular Waveforms!
@Peter_S_
@Peter_S_ 5 лет назад
There's really zero excuse today for a manufacturer to not use keyed shrouds on headers and keyed IDC connectors. The additional cost is trivial in manufacture and the maker gets it all back in customer goodwill on the 1st board which escapes release of the magic blue smoke.
@M_Campbell
@M_Campbell 5 лет назад
Problem is that keyed shrouds lead people to trust that the cable itself is correct, which is dangerous. There's zero excuse for not having reverse polarity protection on modules though.
@MUNRO13
@MUNRO13 5 лет назад
Personally I hate shrouds on power supplies. Bloody nightmare getting connectors out.
@Peter_S_
@Peter_S_ 5 лет назад
M Campbellell... problem??? If you supply a correct cable with the product and everybody uses cables of the same standard then the only people with problems will be those who try to use wrongly wired cables and Darwin takes care of those people pretty quickly. The computer industry went through this way back in the 70s. Some people paid attention to it. Apple for instance has been using shrouds in everything since 1979 and as a result during the 80s and 90s, Apple equipment didn't constantly end up in the shop with blown boards because of misaligned connectors like PC hardware did. The same is true for peripherals on all platforms. This isn't rocket science. I completely agree with you about polarity protection. A 2.2 ohm resistor on the rail feeds with reverse biased 1N5408s behind them should be a minimum. There's no reason people can't use polyfuses either.
@Peter_S_
@Peter_S_ 5 лет назад
MUNRO MUSIC, that's poppycock. I've been using connectors like these www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=5103308-5 for 40 years. The shroud makes zero, repeat *_ZERO_* difference unless you try to plug into it backwards. There are plenty of deep shrouds with eject levers too if you want that. They used to be the absolute standard across the computer industry in the 70s.
@joebogatko9058
@joebogatko9058 5 лет назад
Came here to say the same thing. It's baffling why every eurorack producer doesn't do this by default.
@Futureveterans
@Futureveterans 5 лет назад
FYI, the PSU3 power supply from doepfer actually gives you +5v nowadays. The old ones indeed didn't gave +5v and you had to install a small converter.
@cnfuzz
@cnfuzz 3 года назад
Use a multimeter in conductive mode to check your cable orientation
@aren6
@aren6 5 лет назад
eurorack fuses please
@user-xl1qb5yn1z
@user-xl1qb5yn1z 5 лет назад
$100 each
@pourtaghi
@pourtaghi 5 лет назад
They'd probably be bespoke and lovingly screen printed pieces of silly, silly art. I do love Eurorack.
@WearySisyphus
@WearySisyphus 5 лет назад
thanks mate
@Vincent-jv1pp
@Vincent-jv1pp 5 лет назад
Thank you so much for making this video I would have blown half of my system up the first time I turn it on.
@derivativ3
@derivativ3 4 года назад
I had a similar story of totally annihilating a module... I'm actually going into the long and treacherous process of designing and making my own modules, and the first thing i'm doing is making sure as hell that every one of my modules has reverse power protection... phew!
@LillySchwartz
@LillySchwartz 3 года назад
I'm happy to say that all the modules I just bought have keyed sockets or "either way" power. Seems like things are getting a tad better on this front? Maybe not with Doepfer modules though 🙃
@corradomorgana
@corradomorgana 5 лет назад
Did it with my slew limiter from Doepfer...fixed it easily. Keyed sockets FTW! Especially when a tad pissed. Red stripe up. Oopps...;-)
@conatusprinciple4115
@conatusprinciple4115 3 года назад
I just bought a Doepfer module for my completely new rack! 😅
@RichardLacyMusic
@RichardLacyMusic 5 лет назад
Excellent Public Service Video. They should show this on day one of Modular School. I don't think I've ever bought a Doepfer module that wasn't shipped with the cable already attached. Second hand has been a different matter of course. I use Doepfer cases and the buss boards are a nightmare, exactly as you proved. Even when the connector is the right way up, you can go a pin too high. You just can't see what you're doing. Just wait until you're an old fart like me and your eyesight gets crappy. It's terrible. This is the actual reason old guys go 5u... Another Doepfer thing: Older cases with the PSU 2 Linear supply, have no 5v. The newer cases with the PSU 3 do have 5v on the buss boards. Ta!
@MUNRO13
@MUNRO13 5 лет назад
I’ve done this loads of times but everything just flashes so I turn it off. I have the tip-top station 252 case and I think it might have its own protection built in?
@Lokua
@Lokua 5 лет назад
Some of these manufacturers aren't even consistent within their own collection!
@BadChizzle
@BadChizzle 4 года назад
Your speaking voice is very entertaining. I understand this is not the point... but I’m hoping you won’t mind a little ego boosting. Going back to the subject at hand... If you save just one module... it’s all been worth it! I, being very new to modular... thank you.
@gerundgerund
@gerundgerund 5 лет назад
I had this exact issue with a Doepfer module I just got, and before plugging it in I scoured the net for answers, found all conflicting answers after 30 minutes of searching, took a frustrated guess and thankfully didn't blow it up---the next day this video was posted!
@modularmemories1840
@modularmemories1840 2 года назад
So i got the A-148 today (btw they added the word RED on the pcb so u know what way to plug the wire) i plugged it in correctly and it worked fine. But then i turned off my rackbrute and the power supply just didnt turn off. The modules plugged in past it did but I could definitely smell something heating up somewhere. So ive now added “make sure your case turns off normally” to my list of things to do when i get a new module.
@wellurban
@wellurban 5 лет назад
Never disconnecting the cable from the module is sound advice, but not always achievable. Sometimes it’s impossible to reach your hand into the back of the case with the cable attached to the module. And sometimes a cable won’t reach at all, so you have to swap it for a longer one. I’ve made a habit of always looking for markings on the PCB before disconnecting, though, and for those like Doepfer without markings, keep a Sharpie handy to make your own.
@dg_art_
@dg_art_ 9 месяцев назад
Thank u 🙏 my good ser
@mattgaines5927
@mattgaines5927 5 лет назад
In all my future modules I plan on adding a bridge rectifier so you can insert the power cable either way! This is common on brand new uMutable modules thanks to Jim. I'm also really liking that little skiff, I think it makes a good case for small demos like this ;)
@YaFunklord
@YaFunklord 2 года назад
I guess it's not normally done because of the voltage drop of diodes.
@mattgaines5927
@mattgaines5927 2 года назад
@@YaFunklord Yes, there is some loss of headroom from the diode approach. There's a lot of it in Eurorack though so there's usually not much point in fighting over half a volt or so. That said it would be a bit smarter to utilize a MOSFET approach to minimize losses.
@mikeellisonhimself
@mikeellisonhimself 3 года назад
Very important advice. That's the problem with people who make products but don't know how to engineer properly (even those who ought to know better).
@lassejensen1210
@lassejensen1210 5 лет назад
Thanks for making this. There's not really any solid info on this subject, at least that i could find when jumping into eurorack. I find this curious, since the scariest moment of your new eurorack adventure easily is hitting the switch for the first time, hoping to god you didn't f**** something up, resulting in thousands of dollars worth of damage -_- Thanks again!
@j.k.6861
@j.k.6861 8 месяцев назад
I plugged my joranalogue select 2 the wrong way and didn‘t even notice for a week. Until I plugged a cable in the module. The whole case got quiet. I was shocked. But everything seems to work as nothing has happened. Lesson learned!
@mixolydian2010
@mixolydian2010 5 лет назад
Thanks a lot for the video. I have quite a lot of Doepfer modules and have learned the down is -12v / red stripe trick too. But i have also plugged them the wrong way round and i am lucky enough to have not blown any of the up. I have Doepfer psu3's in home made cases and all the lights on the modules flash on and off if the power connector is the wrong way round and no magic smoke so far i'm not sure if this is a reflection of some kind of protection the psu3's or not? Did you say you replaced the TLO74 and no luck? I have the A-148 as well and you could try replacing the other chips and the only other things i can see that might blow are the two capacitors near the power connector and there's a diode in the middle. Fairly cheap components mostly probably about 5 to 10 pounds? Anyway thanks again for the important video and the amusing intros. Take it easy.
@AshBashVids
@AshBashVids 5 лет назад
The PSU3 has some form of basic reverse protection, PSU2 doesn't. Similar experience to you if I plugged something in wrong - lights flash, case goes off and no module is damaged.
@mixolydian2010
@mixolydian2010 5 лет назад
Cool we both made the right choice with the psu3! Heard off Muffwiggler they had a good reputation i'm really glad i went for it. Hope you never experience the magic smoke. Take it easy
@joemcm1
@joemcm1 4 года назад
hi ive got an oakley hvm module with a strange 5 pin power -any ideas on what to do with it-ive not got a manual
@midierror
@midierror 5 лет назад
This video is sponsored by Red Stripe. Providing alcoholic consolation to those who fry their modules since 1928
@LavendelBrei
@LavendelBrei 5 лет назад
The absolute MOST FRUSTRATING POWER ARCANA is that if your case has a power supply with a converter manufactured by Meanwell it will break the Rene Module from Make Noise and void the warranty. And if you think, well I've never heard of Meanwell, it must be some obscure brand, it's the converter that Intellijel and MDLRcase, Error instruments, and others use so you might have one and not know it. This is why you read the manual.
@THECHILLIPANDA
@THECHILLIPANDA 5 лет назад
Dave Smiths Curtis filter module was one that caught me out, once when I was moving modules about it not long after it was fitted correctly was the only module that doesn't have a notched end on it's ribbon connector and I forgot, plugged it in the wrong way, I use row power with flying bus cables as I think they are excellent, seemed to damage only the row power I had, the 5 volt light is out (I don't use it although it seems still work, probably not for 5 volt though). I always read the manuals and check when getting a new module, just for my own paranoid connection sanity.
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 5 лет назад
FWIW I killed the A148 with the Row Power I show in the vid(!) In this instance it came down to the protection on the module end (or lack of, I should say)
@THECHILLIPANDA
@THECHILLIPANDA 5 лет назад
yeah, pretty much can't do about that if there is no protection.
@tibbarnogard8404
@tibbarnogard8404 5 лет назад
Dopefer sound when red goes down, dopefer explodes when red uploads. Boom, fixed you mnemonic
@Marshallangelo
@Marshallangelo 2 года назад
Rest in Piece Doepfer sample and hold 🙏🏻
@TayTayMakesBeats
@TayTayMakesBeats 3 года назад
Getting my first module and case this week, I'm excited but ready for a panic attack when turning it on for the first time.
@asciisynth
@asciisynth 5 лет назад
I mark +12V and -12V on my PCB silkscreens, -12V is always down, and they all include reverse protection diodes. So buy my modules, at least you (probably) won't destroy them :)
@asciisynth
@asciisynth 5 лет назад
Also I find that IDC connectors with wide top + bottom prevent plugging them in above or below where they're supposed to go, because the sides knock in to the pins which aren't connected.
@Chicle777
@Chicle777 5 лет назад
Oh, mate, the Fizzle Guts. Please do a demo on that one. I want one badly but can´t get a hold of one.
@Jkeane1337
@Jkeane1337 4 года назад
I literally just got into eurorack and assumed that it did not matter how you plugged in modules, plugged in everything wrong. Shout out to the make noise skiff for having a failsafe that it won't turn on if plugged in improperly. Would of been a 1800$ mistake, watched this right after and learned to not just do it with this stuff lol.
@blitbleep
@blitbleep 5 лет назад
Check Paul´s talk in Control. He talks about it and offers some guidance in module designs to avoid this exact problem
@blitbleep
@blitbleep 5 лет назад
Also, design flaws like NOT BEING ABLE TO UPDATE THE FIRMWARE WITHOUT A FRICKIN OBSCURE OUT OF DATE PROGRAMMER. Im looking at you Qubit.
@RoboticusMusic
@RoboticusMusic 5 лет назад
What about tragedies on the front of the panel? Connecting input to input, output to output, connecting Buchla to eurorack, banana into 1/8", Buchla output to eurorack output, adding splitters in the mix to the previously stated mistakes potentially compounding problems, etc. I think I fried a microphone once by plugging the mic into the input of a feedback loop guitar pedal called Eye of God (I'm pretty sure it was plugged in correctly) I think the power somehow went backwards and turned the mic into a speaker.
@RoboticusMusic
@RoboticusMusic 5 лет назад
Also wondering what you think about preventing fire risks in the studio and what to do if one does occur, like what type of extinguisher won't ruin adjacent gear while still being effective. I've also heard that lead-free solder can lead to fires because it grows dendrites over time that can cause short circuits. You never really know if there was repair on used gear done with this kind of solder. There have been quite a few studios burn down but I'm not sure what the common element has been.
@RoboticusMusic
@RoboticusMusic 5 лет назад
Also wondering what happens when CV is plugged into audio, audio into CV. I've heard that the results differ between modules from nothing to destruction. There are so many modules that don't label in's and out's, some just print funny symbols on their panels and expect you to figure it out. Once you start messing with things like 5 way cable splitters partially connected to other 5 way cable splitters I can imagine it gets to be a lot to keep track of to make sure you don't destroy 10 modules with 1 dumb cable mistake.
@mgscheue
@mgscheue 5 лет назад
RoboticusMusic In Euro at least (and I think pretty much everything except Buchla), there’s really no distinction between audio and CV. The only real patching danger is an out to an out and even then most modules are protected against that.
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 5 лет назад
Yeah none of the front panel stuff should have much of an effect, you'd have to be _really_ trying, to break something that way (Using a multiple to sum 5 10V signals to a tender input somewhere else...etc)
@mgscheue
@mgscheue 5 лет назад
And even with that, I *think* you can never get above the 12 V rail voltage.
@philmaguire_
@philmaguire_ 5 лет назад
Doepfer outlines it all on their website. Annoying that it isn't on the PCBs, sure, but it's not exactly blind guessing.
@TheAechBomb
@TheAechBomb 4 года назад
a product should be usable without using external resources, no exceptions.
@BRNTmodularmusic
@BRNTmodularmusic 5 лет назад
Well, actually, Doepfer invented Eurorack. So -12vDown rule is part of these modular, as important as 3U, the hp or where to set the holes (which manufacturers don’t obey as well). And it’s not on the modules’ manual because it’s on the System A-100. They made all the manuals like parts of a (very large nowadays) manual for the system. But... yeah, Eurorack is now bigger than his father and they should accept that they’re just another manufacturer for this system... AND JUST PUT A LITTLE RED LINE to indicate where -12 is. Thanks MM
@AshBashVids
@AshBashVids 5 лет назад
I remember getting one of those massive manuals with my basic system years ago - explains all of this in detail. Doepfer has put markings on it's later modules since they're not always vertical due to having more condensed PCBs.
@Richard-Sauce
@Richard-Sauce 5 лет назад
Well that was comprehensive
@MaikeruSumisu
@MaikeruSumisu 5 лет назад
had the same problem with my doepfer s&h - ordered a new logic ship at mouser for 1,50€ et voila, no paperweight anymore.
@corticallarvae
@corticallarvae 2 года назад
your so angry... i hope this is cathartic brother. i love the humanity
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths 3 года назад
What do you do for modules that do not show how to connect them in the manual like Malekko modules?
@mylarmelodies
@mylarmelodies 3 года назад
Contact them via email, tell them to tell you and to update their manuals
@etchonmind3687
@etchonmind3687 5 лет назад
Another idea that might be helpful is to make your own cables. You build your own system anyway, so why not the cables. That way, you can also make cables just as long as they need to be, which saves a lot of space and avoids spaghetti behind the modules. It probably has some electrical benefits on top of that. Here is what I do: 1. Shrouded connector busboards only. Those will ensure you plug the cable in a consistent, right way. 2. Normal grey cables with red stripe for "standard" modules (shrouded connectors, clearly labeled pin layout etc). Red stripe indicates -12V and is (just) and optical aid. Don´t forget to finger trace when plugging in. For my setup, this would the vast majority of modules. 3. Different color cables (rainbow colors) for any modules that can be tricky. Tricky means: No standard pin layout or orientation, bare connector without shroud, missing clear labeling of the -12V pins etc. This way, they stick out and will flag connections for extra attention. You will plug cables out of modules at some point in time, so this is a reminder to check carefully. Don´t forget to finger trace TWICE when plugging in. A set of 30m cable plus connectors and crimp tool costs less than your average module and will give you a) peace of mind and b) neat cabling for better access to the space behind modules.
@JohnSmith-dh3kx
@JohnSmith-dh3kx Год назад
@etch on mind A crimp tool is not needed. Just squeeze it in a vice.
@cyberpunkbg140
@cyberpunkbg140 5 лет назад
I make the same mistake with Doepfer and stop to use it. Very simple :)
@bigkingsha
@bigkingsha 3 года назад
At first sight, I thought the flaming Doepfer was real and not a composite VFX shot, but I don't see any plastic melting nor pieces falling away. Goodness you have salvaged some of the electronics for a homemade mult?
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