if only one screw is adjusted, the balance of the balance wheel will change. Is not it? And as you push down on the screwdriver and balance wheel, the axle can be broken.?
Nice video. You did, however, appear to bend the pivot of the balance wheel. Before it spun perfectly. Afterward it began to wobble. You have to support the balance wheel underneath before you use a tool to adjust it. The pressure applied looks like it bent the pivot slightly.
Yes! It should not only be supported underneath the wheel, but both balance screws should be moved exactly the same amount to retain it's overall balance. It may take a bit before he notices, or not, but this movement was just damaged quite a bit. That bent and now unbalanced balance wheel will eventually get worse and worse, and wobble more and more, right up untill it breaks off. You can buy an inexpensive L-shaped tool that slips under the wheel and supports it for doing just this, it's well worth it so as not to destroy the movement that you're trying to adjust. These are delicate parts and the slightest bend in any part at all will ruin the movement sooner than later. The time keeping will get more erratic everyday.
@@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen there's a specific pdf for each movement, and this is what ETA tells in their instructions! also the lift angle is set wrong in this video!
Many thanks for this unique tuto. Well done clear and useful. Thanks to you, I have been able to set my new Tissot Visodate Powermatic 80 as accurately as a COSC movement or even better as it's now at +/- 1 sec/day. Regards. Roberto
All Tissot Powermatic 80 movements have already been COSC-certified, bro. The rate, as ETA (movement maker for Tissot) said, has already been set in their factory with a laser
No they heve not all been certified, not even close. If it says chronometer on it it is indeed certified, however many of these movements are put into non-chronometer watches. Likely more than not.@@ucvietnguyen5876
Thank you for sharing great video. I have a one question. It is fundamentaly same as the Rolex and the Omega. They use timing screw for regulating. It is nessessary to adjust exactly same amount of the opposite screws for keeping poise. Is there no poise problem when you adjusting just one screw?
Don't try this at home guys. Take your watch to a professional watchmaker and have them adjust it for you. The 2824 is fragile enough even with the plus minus levers, let alone this one. Don't do it.
Or at least buy the proper tool to support the balance wheel. Not that difficult to do with the proper tools, which by the way are not used here. I have regulated several of these movements with no issues, I do however do it much differently than this. I support the balance wheel with the proper tool, as the hairspring attached to it is very fragile and sensitive, and I adjust both screws exactly the same amount. Just like your watchmaker would do. (assuming that he knows what he is doing)
Thanks for the video. It's now clear that it doesn't have a free sprung balance wheel. Weights on the wheel are for regulating amplitude, not beat error. Interestingly, SWATCH claimed that it's a "high tech" escapement with a specific tool for regulation. Now I know the specific tool is a screwdriver. 🤣🤣🤣
It is a free sprung balance - only one side is attached to a stud. By creating a free sprung balance, the length of the balance spring is fixed and the rate is adjusted by tightening or loosening the screws affixed to the balance wheel. The result is that the balance spring breathes better and confers greater accuracy.
It does require a specific L shaped tool that holds the balance wheel and prevents the balance wheel stud from getting bent. Only then you can use the screwdriver and adjust the screws. What this guy did is he ruined the balance wheel big time by bending the stud. If you pay attention, at the beginning the balance wheel was moving nicely, after he pressed it down with the screwdriver it started to wobble lol. In order to regulate H10 movement you have to either send it to Swatch or find a reputable watchmaker with proper tools.
আগের অনুশীলন মূলক ভিডিও গুলো দারুণ ছিলো বিধায় বিদেশি চ্যানেল আর গ্রুপগুলোতে আপনার চ্যানেলের ভিডিও রিকমেন্ড করতে দেখা যেতো প্রায়শই। কিন্তু ইদানিং আর তেমন অটোমেটিক মুভমেন্টের ওভারহলিং কিংবা ট্রাবলশুটিং এর ভিডিও না থাকায় চ্যানেলটি দুর্দশাগ্রস্থ প্রায়। সলিম ভাই ব্যাপারটা গুরুত্ব সহযোগে দেখবেন বলে আশা রাখছি।
Showing the rate dial up or down does not show poise error which will now exist. Swatch authorised repair centres don’t service these, they have an exchange program in place.
Hi, so im about to purchase my first watch with powermatic 80 and from what ive seen its serviceable and watch maker can regulate it easy as you show on this video, but the big question is if something from these new synthetic parts broke it will be less available from normal watchmaker to have it for replacing and then we need to give it to official distributor for tissot to replace it? And do you recommend this movement for long therm use for years? Thanks.
This movement seems to be the powermatic 80 version with 25 jewels, so the escapement is made of metal. The version with 23 jewels has a plastic escapement, but it isn't fragile. It's a relative young mechanism so we can't be 100% sure about its reliability trough decades, but remember that ETA is very experienced manufactor of high quality movements, so it knows what is doing.
Hi! Please help me. This is c07.611. In description you state that this applies to both .1xx and .6xx. I have heard - many times - that the c07.1xx (as oposed to .6xx) is made so that it is not possible to adjust it or repair it and the entire escape mechanism has to be replaced in case of some problems. This is supposed to be due to the escape mechanism being synthetic. Can you tell me what is your opinion about that? I dont know if I should buy a Tissot Seastar it or not. If it is not repairable or any repair of the mechanism would cost me half the price of the watch, I dont want to buy it. I dont know who to trust and you certainly seem to be competent enough.
Thanks for your kind opinion, I would like to say Tissot is a medium category watch and it uses powermatic movement which has 80 hours power reserve, very good quality machine, hope to get good service.
Amazing video. I was always curious how they regulate these movements. Thanks again. Would be great to K ow if a mainsprung balance is better or the older type. What the advantages and disadvantages are.
Yes it's pretty much the same thing, other than the Hamilton H 50 is a hand wind only version. The balance wheel and it's adjusting screws, as discussed in the video, are exactly the same.
del 2824 quitando la posicion del tren de rodaje tiene poco el powermatic o h10 ni la base es la misma ze a modificado todo baze organo regulador ancora y baze el tren de rodaje no es igual al 2824 ezta modificado materiales de dice que la expiral ed mucho mejor es antima negica barril modificado y lo uni o que pare igual es el modulo de carga y aun asi me parece que no son comoatibles no lo se al 100 la masa oscilante tambien ya que la del power es de una sola pieza y la del 2824 son dos piezas no se trata solo de aunmentar el muelle real y vajar alternancia detras de estos calibres a avido mucho i+d y micho desarromlo tedras ademas yo e notado que el pase rapido de mi h10 y powermatic es mas fuerte cuando pasa que mis 2824 el h10 y powermatic pasa con micha mas fuerza estos calibres no ban a reenplazar al 2824 ni mucho menos pero an llegado para quedarse y viendo el resultado que estan dando otro gran caballo de batalla pues quitando alguna pieza que viene de casa defectuosa eso pasa asta con rolex todos los foros y comentarios y oor experiencia propia andan en oarametros muy por encima de cosc sin ser certificados son auntenticos cronometros los mios no pasan de 1 un segundo dia o mas 2 tengo el omega seamaster certufucado cosc y oor metas omega calibre 2500 coaxual y anda un poco por encima de mi h10 y aora digo mejor orueba cosc que ouede realizar el duelo de un reloj llebandolo dia a dia y sometindo a todo no hay ni cosc ni metas y otra pregunta si este calibre lo daca al mercado breintlig o rolex o te lo meten rn un omega o dn un zenit la gentr cuanto pagaria por ellos lo que pidiera ka casa 7 8 10mil euros y seguro que los vendian como rosquillas y serian lo mejor de lo mejor
No. All the best calibers made by companies like Omega and Rolex have a free-sprung balance system because it adds more precision to the caliber. It's an upgrade, despite all the rumors about Powermatic 80 that you can read online.
@@hapdane5938 we'll have to agree to disagree. Ive been working on mechanical watches for long enough now to know that oh though you can be more precise with adjustments on a prespung system, a regulator can be as accurate as a presprung balance. I have chronometer grade watches in my collection with both. Only difference is the regulated movements are easier to service. Eta just as rolex and omega make huge profits from their servicing department. Free sprung is not a huge difference maker in accuracy or reliability like say for instance adding a silicon balance spring.
@@diegocontreras9563yes but regulating means stop the spin wheel, adjust the pin on the wheel a bit, put the wheel back, test again, over and over. The cost will go up significantly, and with much bigger risk of damaging the parts. For the cost of the watches, it is totally not worth it.
@@han7902 thanks for your input. Your point then is, that to get to COSC accuracy, many spin wheel stops are required, hence longer time and higher risk of damaging the parts with the tiny screwdriver, did I get it right?