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How to Replace Your Pool Table Cushion Rubber

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This is a detailed video of how to replace the rubber cushions on your pool table.
While there may be other ways of going about doing it, this way has served me well for right at 30 years. I'm able to give my customers perfect rails every time with this tried and true method!
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Please note, you will have to choose your table size for pricing. When in doubt, choose for a 9' table; as, 9' rubber and cloth will work on 7', 8', Pro 8' (also know as an "oversize 8"), and 9' pool table.
Introduction - 0:00
Prepping surface for rubber - 3:02
Applying glue to rail - 5:38
Applying glue to rubber - 7:21
Adhering rubber to rail - 9:27
Marking and trimming rubber length - 12:19
Finalizing end miters - 18:33
Gluing rail facings - 21:22
Trimming rail facings - 24:09
Finalizing rail facings - 25:19
Covering rails with cloth - 28:29
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@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

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@javierbarbosa6912 Год назад

I love your honesty as a craftsman and a person that knows your craft. I advise you not to worry what extreme critics say. You are not there to please then. You are a great presenter and educator and that is what matters.😊

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

I appreciate that!

@josephreinhart8712 2 года назад

I am glad you are back, and feeling ok! I watched your earlier material, and I am NOT one of those that say, "Hey! I do it another way!" Nope. Experience is good teacher. Especially someone else's and bro...that you have!

@keithjdmiller 2 года назад

Nice one Joey.

@RaTeDXPr0DiiGyz 3 года назад

I like the comment you made about not telling your tricks about recovering the rails lol. I work for a canvas company and staple a lot of awnings and could pick up exactly what you were doing there!

@Magnum06SRT8 2 года назад

Best advice in this video is using the angle grinder. Although I found that a 120 grit flap disc worked better for me than an actual grinding wheel. My end cuts turned out looking absolutely perfect. Thanks for that little tidbit.

@tomprentice6195 3 года назад

Thanks very much. You are a very sharing kinda bloke. All the best to you from the sunshine coast Australia

@douglasmichel6361 2 года назад

Well done Doug, awesome videos...we have somethings in common (for one, our names :). Most of my rail work (up in NJ) I do in my shop away from customers prying eyes if practical. I tell all my customers the price is higher if they watch, LOL. I've made wooden racks, each for holding 6 rubbers with backs facing up for gluing. After gluing and placing rubber, I then use a Formica roller for rolling the rubber in lieu of a mallet. When cutting the rubber and facings, I dip the knife/blades in real hot water just prior to each cut of rubber or facing, cuts like a hot knife through butter. I do however use a boat load of blades, one per rail. The blades I use are dbl. sided carpet blades, scary sharp, but IMO, better than a singe edge or a utility blade. Dull knives/blades are what will cut you from having to force um and then slipping. I Use um to cut the cloth also. No taring the cloth like some guys do. P.S. if not brushing on the Barge or contact cement as I do for a single table, I'll spray on a couple coats of spray grade Formica glue if I have several sets of rails to glue up. The racks shield over spray...the rails I stack and mask...otherwise not worth the time cleaning the sprayer for only a couple tables. I noticed you flushing off the feather strip to the wood of the rail before flipping it over to staple. Not saying it's wrong, I'll fold the cloth over the feather strip and then block it so cloth top side is flush to the finished side of the rail...especially on a Formica covered rail like a Gold Crown has. One thing I do if needed, I cover the entire feather strip with masking tape if I feel they are loose or thinner cloth is being used compared to original. Staplers I use, Duo-Fast Capet staplers, wide crown for rail work, narrow crown for facings and drop pockets. For glue removal I use Goof-Off if needed. Nari an issue in some 25 yrs. A grinder is a great idea, going to give that a try. I'll try anything once...Keep up the great videos.

@JoeWooldridge2 2 года назад

Another great video! Thanks for sharing the info.

@58Kym 4 года назад

I have never seen that done before so that was really interesting. thanks for posting!

@CreativeRestorations 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@josangcal4618 3 года назад

wow it came out really nice.

@josselinmarnat 3 года назад

Very instructive!

@my83camaro1 3 года назад

Awesome video thanks

@johnzuro4596 3 года назад

I appreciate the lesson. I am a service only company in the Atlanta area. I have been doing billiards myself for over 25 years. I love the grinder on the wood. I do so many Leisure Bay tables that go bad after 10 years. And the glue they use seems like super glue. So tough. I myself have been using Dap for so long. Works pretty good for me. I notice some companies lathe their c grove off to make the rail flat and then proceed to put standard k66 cushions on them. To me that makes the response too spongey. A tip that might be easier on some is to put your blade in alcohol and shake some on the knife. Makes it cut like warm butter. Your method is great. Now delete this video before we all go out of business. Lol. Just playing. Thanks

@fastal48 3 года назад

Very nice technique and education.

@keltonlowry8844 3 года назад

Doing my table now. The grinder works perfect. First time and it looks like I am a pro

@jamesfernella5574 2 года назад

Well done and as you said, different ways to skin a cat. I use a container of soapy water to lubricate my blade before cutting the pocket angles, slides thru rubber much easier for me. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

@aurelerichard5458 Год назад

Great instructional videos thanks

@patricksmith2974 2 года назад

Thank you for the tutorial. I am paying close attention to your direction and appreciate your insight. So far the job is turning out great. One thing I do not understand is your reluctance on showing your process of affixing the felt to the rails. I have watched the process several times and believe I know the secret. We will see this week when I get to that portion of the job. You do understand you are putting out a how to video to the world but are leaving out some major details. In a way it seems petty but thanks for the rest of the info.

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

No reluctance whatsoever. Here's my video showing EXACTLY how it's done: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5SPel_CUHwE.html

@mjmjersey 3 года назад

Thank you.

@rocko7x 3 года назад

thanks for this video, I had my rails sent in to a local shop and they've had them awhile, I can see why now. Thanks

@davechelnik7016 2 года назад

Doug thanks to your video i was able to replace the rubber bumpers and refelt turned out great but you can see where the new felt was folded .how do you remove those marks

@larryvietvet543 2 года назад

Watched several of your videos, very good workmanship. Between 11 and 20 minutes of this video you cut the cushions creating the pocket angles using the existing wood rail angles as a reference. My home table is a 8 foot Brunswick Camden 2 with 5.25 pocket openings and angles between 146 and 149 degrees. My concern is the pockets won't accept hard fast balls, just rattle and out. Researched and discovered the recommended angles should be around 141 degrees. My plan is to grinding some 1/4 inch facings at an angle to get closer to 140 degrees.

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

Seems like that should work. You definitely want them good and straight though. Good luck with it!

@larryvietvet543 2 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Update, Huge project took several days. Found several problems with the previous workmanship. The new rail cushions were cut at a sharper angle than the rails. The cushion facings were stapled in. Didn't see you stapling the facings. Added a wedge of facing material to make up for the erratic cushion angles. I know the cushions should have been replaced. Used a medium coarse file to make sure the surface was flat. All my corner pocket angles are 142 degrees now. Your advice helped immensely, Thank You. 🎱

@Bart_Depestele 3 года назад

Great job amigo, I did a few tables and really loved your touch of love doing this. Do you know good resources for poolsupplies in Europe please? Tried to order the side rubbers but they ask me 13$ for the product and 80$ for transport

@JosephsTropicalTanks 3 года назад

Great video i was looking for a video like this, i have a pool table that i got used and needs some work this is my 1st table and your video was so helpful I have new bumpers new top and also replacing the wood with slate i got it cheap enough that I was able to put a bit of money in it any tips for me ?

@yuanli3913 2 года назад

Hi, sir, you are the best billiard installation guy I met on RU-vid, your videos are pretty impressive. From your over 30 years pool table experiences, if you install a very cheap foldable pool table with the top class rubber, like the standard used as pro tournament, do you think that table's cushions could also perform very well bouncing like a pro's grade table?? actually, I hv a just $500 MDF based pool table with very bad rubber response, I just want to know if something like this could possible to be upgraded. thanks a lot.

@joeholben1129 4 года назад

Great tutorial, see things to correct this time (did it 15 years ago). Do you recommend neoprene facing at all to tighten the pocket ? Thanks again

@CreativeRestorations 4 года назад

If you want to "tighten" the pockets, you can go with additional rail facings. The unbacked rail facings come in two different thicknesses: 3mm and 5mm. So, going with double-stacked 5mm rail facings would tighten the pockets by about 3/8". You can use any combination of the two sizes to get your desired pocket width.

@3109905960 3 года назад

I have a 8ft Brunswick contender that needs new rails, am going to purchase some new ones. I had new Simonis 860 put on last year and plan on using the same 860 on the new rails. How much is the going rate to install the new ones with the same cloth and I supply the new rails?

@drk8919 3 года назад

Great step-by-step tutorial, thank you! A few questions. (1) what pad/grit do you use on the grinder? (2) I just bought an 8ft Kasson Gentry table and need to do the rails - it's K-66 - do you have any recommendations for which rubber to get? I'm currently looking at the Pro-form and Championship Tour edition - Artemis seems like overkill for this table, especially when the main players will be me, my 15yo son and his friends. Thanks!

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I just use a standard grinding wheel on the grinder. However, you may want to use 60 grit sandpaper with a sanding block. Using a grinder on the wood takes a bit of finesse. As for the rubber, if it's K-66, I would suggest either the Championship MBS rubber or their Tour Edition rubber. Both can be purchased through our website. MBS Rubber: www.billiardsofneworleans.com/store/MBS-Group-Cushion-Rubber-p133130969 Tour Edition Rubber: www.billiardsofneworleans.com/store/Championship-Tour-Edition-Cushion-Rubber-p133130974 I will say this... Artemis rubber (and perhaps the Tour Edition rubber) is overkill for anyone other than the most serious of pool players. The Championship MBS is great rubber. I use it 99% of the time.

@daveweston9569 3 года назад

Have just purchase a second hand table that plays a little slow bounce wise...am I right in saying the rebate on the rubber is the glued side....my table has the rebate towards the table.

@troylittlefield650 Год назад

Hey Doug, I've been watching a lot of your video's lately as I picked up a free table on marketplace that needed a good refurbish. Out of all the DIY videos for pool tables on youtube, I keep coming back to your because of the knowledge and expertise/technic you bring to every task. I don't know what table it bought because I can't fine it anywhere on the internet, buy funny enough the table in this video is the same exact table I got. Now I know this isn't a forum for Q/A but I was wondering if you know the brand and or model of this table as the only identifying markers my table had was a date of 1974 in pencil on the bottoms of one of the rails. - keep up the awesome videos, Troy

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

Unfortunately, I don't know the model name of that table. It is a decent one though.

@mr.b865 Год назад

What are your recommended products and procedure for maintaining and cleaning felt on a bar room table? Thanks

@javierbarbosa6912 Год назад

You are goood!

@nic2098 3 года назад

I wish you were in California

@andygundersen6616 3 года назад

I have a Brunswick Gold Crown 4. I am going to install new K-55 cushions and want to tighten the pockets. Is it better to cut rail extensions and add them ? That way I could just use a 3mm facing. It would also make the cushions more accurate closer to the pocket openings. What say you?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

You can do that (add wood extensions to the ends of the rails). But, make sure that this is something you're going to be happy with long-term. If, for whatever reason, you're not happy with having the pockets tighter in the future, it's a LOT harder to remove wood that's been glued on with wood glue than it is to remove rail facings glued on with Barge Cement. My philosophy is to always err on the side of caution. Also, if you were to sell the table in the future, who's to say that all potential buyers are going to want a table that's been permanently altered? If it were me, I would double-stack the rail facings.

@tomroe30 Год назад

I know it woud be a bit unsightly but how essential do you think the cloth is for the ball to still bounce off right? Not much of a DIYer and just want to be able to play the game.

@kherrbanes2959 2 года назад

what type of rubber you use in rail facings?

@johnmichaels6670 2 года назад

What staples and stapler do you use?

@robertstone745 Год назад

Fantastic video! Any thoughts on replacing cushions on a Gold Crown 1? Reading a lot about rail modifications to change for 1 degree. Very confused! Can I just use k-55 or do I need to do something complicated? Thanks!!

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

If you've got a GC I, I would either go back with the Brunswick Superspeed rubber or Championship Tour Edition rubber. If you've got money to blow, you can get Artemis rubber. But, I don't think it's worth the extra money. And, yes, Gold Crown 1's take K-55 rubber.

@melf7834 3 года назад

Thank you for this video. I have watch many of them. I am going to change the cloth on my Olhausen soon. I want to tighten the pockets to 4.5". I am not happy with the tech from the only local table reseller. He put several layers of shims on the end of the rails. This led to the corners being rounded up to an inch from the opening.Not only are the corners rounded the pocket shoulders are also not flat and more bouncy. I am hoping I can add a wooden shim, probably made from maple, and then put the 3 mill shim on. Then cutting the new cushion to the line of the maple shim. Do you think that would cause other issues? I am also wanting to put the most correct staple in. I have read that I want to use 1/4" 1/2" crown staples but what gauge do you recommend? One more thing, can you recommend anything to soften the back of the plastic pockets? Would bonding leather to the plastic hold up?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I'd be cautions about adding wood to the pocket ends of the rails. I'm not saying it can't be done. It can. However, it's important to keep the geometry correct. Also, while you can add additional rail facings to tighten the pockets, adding too many will also change how the ball reacts when it strikes the rail (in the pocket). The correct way to do it would, indeed, be to add additional wood first and then use a single rail facing over that. Again, make sure you don't change the geometry. You will also want to make sure that the glue that you use isn't so hard and brittle that it can't withstand the repeated impacts. So, CA glue (Super Glue) is out of the question. A better option would be Tightbond II. Now, as for the wood that you go to use... More than likely, your rails are made out of either Oak, Mahogany, or Poplar. I would suggest you go with the same species of wood that your rails are made from to insure no difference in the way the ball rebounds. As for staples, I never recommend using 1/4" crown staples. Those are generally used in the construction of case goods. They really aren't made for upholstery work. Not to mention, most 1/4" crown staples also have a heat activated glue on the legs of the staples. This makes them next to impossible to remove later. They usually end up breaking off. I personally use a Senco pneumatic upholstery stapler. It's surprisingly inexpensive. Here's the Amazon link if you want to get one yourself (they come in handy for all kinds of projects): amzn.to/2HQuWCH This is a 3/8" crown stapler that (if I'm not mistaken) is 23 gauge. I've been using either this gun or the previous model for almost 20 years! They seem to hold up FOREVER! Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask!

@melf7834 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations It does help. The type of crown staple I was mentioning was a 1/2 crown with a 1/4" depth. I will use the link to order a stapler. What depth of staple do you recommend for rails and the table cloth? The rails are Poplar. the reason I was thinking of maple is because I have lots. It's the same tone and the side grain facing of the Maple might be more similar to the end grain of the Poplar. I think machining it that way makes more sense than trying to machine end grain shims. I have lots of Tightbond II, I buy it by the gallon. I read the description on the "Billiards of New Orleans" site. I don't think I can buy leather pockets for my table. That's why I was asking about bonding a thin piece of leather to the back of the pocket. Wish you were closer to the Pacific Northwest. Thank you for your time. I am glad that I found your videos but I wish I would have found yours sooner.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I typically get either 1/2" or 3/8" leg staples. Whichever are available locally.

@mjmjersey 3 года назад

How do i know what bumpers to buy I have an 8 ft table

@markbelcher2346 Год назад

Can you use DAP plastic wood filler instead of Bondo? What are the results?

@adamfalkiewicz4491 Год назад

Thanks for all the videos, I just purchased a used Rozel gold cup 9 foot table . When I hit the cue ball with top spin in to side side rails I get a bounce , is that normal for every table out there or should I replace the rails?

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

It can be normal or it might not be normal. It really depends on how hard you're hitting the ball and how much top spin you're putting on it. When you put top spin on it, there's a certain amount of friction and forward momentum that's going to cause the ball to want to "climb" the rail. There are even trick shots that utilize this principle. Check your nose height of your rubber. If it's between 1-3/8" and 1-7/16", then, your table is correct. Your issue would, indeed, be a result of the top spin and speed. If it's outside of that range (specifically, lower than 1-3/8"), either you have the wrong rubber profile installed on your table or your rubber is installed incorrectly.

@jassehmbey9885 3 года назад

Where can I Send a Donation? Your video was a big help!

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I appreciate that. But, rather than that, I would prefer you become a patron of the channel. There are a LOT of other videos I'd like to do that include product reviews and testing. All of those cost money. And, RU-vid doesn't pay enough to purchase all of those items. Here's the link to become a Patreon supporter of my channel: www.patreon.com/creativerestorations?fan_landing=true Doug

@roadshowautosports 3 года назад

Another great video! One question though, how to evaluate the condition of the rail before removing everything? If you don’t mind teaching that. Thank you!

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I have another table I'll be replacing the rubber on this weekend. I'll make a video of it.

@roadshowautosports 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations awesome! I’m just waiting for this video and I’ve sent you a question about the Foremost brand if you could tell me anything about them to buy your cloth. Appreciate you replying!

@roadshowautosports 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations I’ve seen a video from another content creator, who isn’t a pro like yourself but he answered the question by showing himself holding the old and the new bumpers and how the new bends much more than the old, dry, hard ones and that pretty much did it for me. Now I’m really looking into buying the cloth and rubber from you but still would like to know if you can share any knowledge on Foremost tables. The one I’m planning to recover and replace bumpers is a 8 footer and it seems solid, has the ball return, and it has the feet removable as it only seats on them but very sturdy. One thing I’ve noticed is the fact that the tip is magnetized or prone to magnets!!! I’ve sat a parts tray on top of it and the magnet on the tray attached to the top! I haven’t removed the cloth but was wondering if that means slate? Bottom line I’m looking into someone as yourself with many years of experience to at least grade my table so I know how much i can put into it! Thank you for all the experience you share with us! Edson

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

You're welcome to email me some detailed photos of the table: doug@imperialaroccia.com

@jerryleokirkman9460 Год назад

Question, I've always seen them deliver pool hall pool tables, the valley coin tables, in one piece, is there a reason it's okay to move them with only the legs off and not home pool tables

@johnnyvnt4 2 года назад

I have a Fischer Dutchess VIII with a ball an auto- return, How do I do the bumper replacement?

@almcenhill6072 2 года назад

Hi, great video! Just a ?, upon removing the rubber on the antique Brunswick we were given, the webbed side of the rubber was actually on the lower/down side of the rail. I want to rebuild this beauty to orig, So was the rubber I removed possibly applied in error? The profile appears to match, so do I have a concern? Thank you!

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

I've never seen any rubber that had canvas embedded on the bottom side. Back and top? Yes! But, not the bottom. So, I'd say that they probably did install it upside-down. Wouldn't be the first time it has happened. I've seen it quite a few times over the years.

@liorm315 6 месяцев назад

Hi I want to change the rubber and I don't know the difference between k66 to k55.. how do I know what to install and what to order? Tia. Leo

@jacobbock5720 2 года назад

Doug I have a diamond red label oversized 8 I am restoring. I don't know which rails cushions to put back on it. Can you recommend?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

You'll have to do exact measurements of the rubber and look up what profile it is. It's more than likely K-55.

@horyshet8217 2 года назад

I HAVE AN OLD BROMFIELD AND RITTER CO. pool table. its old and beat up but runs great for the condition its in. i have tried some research, but just cant find any info on them. my question is would any rubbers fit most pool tables? thanks in advance

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

No. Tables are designed to use ONE rubber profile. You can't mix and match or switch to a different profile without messing up how the balls interact with the rails.

@southernmarylandmike4373 3 года назад

What size staples do you use? I have an electric staple gun, so if I burn it up I will replace it with a pneumatic staple gun.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

The stapler I use is a 23 gauge, 3/8" crown. And I will alternate between 3/8" and 1/2" leg staples depending on what my supplier has available at the time. Although, my preference is the 3/8" leg. They are a bit easier to remove when it's time to reupholster the table.

@johnroberson2514 3 года назад

How long do you advise to let the contact cement set up before setting the two pieces (rubber to the wood) together

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

That kinda depends on which glue you use. I use the regular Barge Cement (as opposed to the Barge Infinity Cement). Usually, I'll let it tack up anywhere between 30 minutes and 2 hours. I know the "open time" on the Infinity Cement is less though.

@johnroberson2514 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Thanks for the quick reply,, Have a couple of other questions,,Should the end of the facings be feathered somewhat or be left alone? When taking the old rubber off the wood, would it be okay to spray a solvent down into the hollow section of the rubber with tape on the other end then let sit for 24 hours to help weaken the glue holding the rubber and wood together? Just noodling Thanks again

@SomeGuy-tz8dz 2 года назад

Do you have any special suggestions to re-rubber Dynamo bar box rails?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

For bar tables, I always recommend just buying replacement rails with the rubber pre-installed. You can find them on eBay. The company that sells them is called "Penguin Amusement".

@barrybremner7384 3 года назад

When installing K66 rubbers I noticed you installed the with the white strip up. Why did you do that?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

Rubber has a top and a bottom. The nose height of the rubber would be wrong if it were installed upside down.

@JohnSchulte 2 года назад

What brand K55 rubber would you recommend for a table that won't break the bank? Thank you for doing the video. I appreciate your time.

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

Championship Tour Edition. BEST rubber for the money!

@JohnSchulte 2 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Thank you. What about the cushion facings? I see different thicknesses...recommendations?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

If you've got a table that uses K-55 rubber, you're going to want to use 3.3mm facings. Personally, I find that the unbacked facings are easier to work with. But, some people prefer the backed. Personal preference though.

@JohnSchulte 2 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Thank you. Yeah, I remember that from your video. I'm in the process of rebuilding an old Cannon table. As a woodworker, I think it has pretty good bones, but need to bridge my weaknesses with this other stuff through experts like yourself. I do appreciate your time. I just ordered the Dexter knife through your link, looks pretty handy.

@dannybuttrum5343 3 года назад

I need to replace the veneer on a valley pool table top. Can you point me in the right direction of where I can purchase the veneer? Thank you.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

The factory has special Formica made for them that has the diamonds already inlaid (or, rather, made into the Formica). You can go to Home Depot and buy Formica countertop material and use that. You can also do a Google search for wood grain Formica. Now, all of the Formica that you come across is going to be flat sheet. So, you'll have to cut it oversize, heat it and form it to the curve of the rail, glue it (and I would recommend Barge Cement), come back and trim it with a flush-cutting laminate trimmer on a router, and then, re-inlay your sights. You can get sights in 7/16" and 1/2" diameter from www.poolndarts.com (Meuller Sporting Goods). You would need to use a Forstner bit to drill a nice, clean hole. And 7/16" Forstner bits are hard to find. So, if you want to make it a little easier on yourself, go with the 1/2" sights. You can use either Titebond II or Super Glue to adhere the sights. When you're drilling the recesses for the sights, you want to go deep enough so that the whole sight sits flush with the top of the Formica. But, not so deep that the sight sits below. And, you have to leave room for the glue to go somewhere under the sight. Hope this helps. Doug

@xdshooter1 2 года назад

Hey Doug. I have a gandy 8 foot table and want to replace the old rubber. I have measured the cushions and I believe they are k66. Just wondering if you could confirm that Gandy used k66 ? Also what brand do you use and recommend. Thanks for the great content. Keep up the great work!

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

If it measures the same as K-66, it's K-66. I believe Gandy used both K-66 and K-55. But, there's enough of a difference that you'd know by measurements. I'd advise the Championship Tour Edition rubber. And, I'd appreciate the sale if you buy from me! Here's the link to that rubber on my site: billiardsofneworleans.com/store/Championship-Tour-Edition-Cushion-Rubber-p133130974

@mikelumpkin6256 2 года назад

I'm pretty sure k55 is proprietary to Brunswicks only and 100 percent sure Gandy is k66

@xdshooter1 2 года назад

@@mikelumpkin6256 yes they are k66.

@axfrayberg 3 года назад

Is it possible to preserve the rail cloth when replacing the cushion? I realize it is not recommended but my question is it is possible?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I'm sure anything is technically possible as long as it doesn't defy the laws of nature. But, in this instance, I would HIGHLY recommend that you change the cloth (even if it's just the rail cloth). I'm a professional pool table mechanic and I wouldn't attempt reusing rail material under any circumstances. If you've never done rails before, you'll likely find it impossible to do.

@chriswill6842 2 года назад

Hi hope you still active on here I have an old fishers table from the late 50s I think and I can’t figure out what rubbers to get for the table if you could just point me in the right direction that would be great it’s and 8ft table ?

@samwdecoster 3 года назад

What do you think of tanners Bond Tandy sells? They told me it is made by barge but is their new blue formula I believe. They say it has the same bond as the yellow barge can. The reason it’s made without a certain chemical so it can be sold in California. They sell it in an 8oz which would probably be the right size for one time use.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

"Tanner's Bond" is not made by Barge. It's just run-of-the-mill contact cement. Also, I just checked out Tandy's website and it specifically says that Tanner's Bond cannot be sold in California. So, I wouldn't recommend it. A MUCH better option would be Barge Infinity Cement. Since it has no VOCs (volatile organic compounds) it is California compliant. And, it provides excellent adhesion properties. The down-side to it is the low "open time". I.E., once it dries and the pieces are ready to be stuck together, you don't have anywhere near as much time to get it done. This glue is routinely used to adhere rubber to leather in the production of sneakers and other types of shoes. So, I'm confident it will work well for adhering rubber to wood. Applying a second coat would also be additional insurance! You can find Barge's Infinity Bond at: amzn.to/3k8xKcv

@melf7834 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Thanks for the link. I cancelled my just prior order and used your link. Hope that helps you.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

Very much appreciated! Hope all goes well with the install!

@melf7834 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations You are welcome. Could you respond to my questions in my post. Don't know if you have seen them because they are below the read more button. Thanks In Advance

@josangcal4618 3 года назад

I am learning a lot from this channel.keep up the good content.I came to Tandy leather here in Houston and said they are out of barge contact cement.have you ever used wood weld and if so what are your thoughts and do you recommend?

@yaselcavada7899 Год назад

Can I use the 3m 90 to glue the cushions back or has to be the other glue

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

3M 90 is basically an upholstery adhesive. It works for fabric and paper. I would NEVER use it for adhering rubber to rails. Do yourself a favor and spring for the Barge glue. You'll be happy you did in the long run.

@merlinlewis6361 3 года назад

What can of table is table is this look like mines it's over 40 years old with U23 bumpers can't find a name brand it

@randyattwood 3 года назад

I've played on tables that have dead rails and lively rails. Is there an accepted measurement for how much bounce is correct and if so how is that measurement done?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

There might be. I've never heard of one though. I have gone to the BCA show and seen where manufacturers will set up what looks like a ramp that they release the ball from. The ball is released from a specific height and then you would count the number of rails the ball bounces off of and see where the ball finally stops. Apart from that system, I can't think of any other way of testing. Usually, I judge by feeling the rubber.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

The ramp system at the BCA show wasn't intended for testing rubber. It was there just to show the differences between various manufacturers' rubber.

@randyattwood 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations In golf they have what they call a stimp meter. A golf ball is released to roll down a ramp of a certain length and at a certain angle and then the length travelled is how the green is rated. A 14 on a stimp meter is considered very fast. Seems they could do something similar on a pool table.

@jdwyer5150 2 года назад

is there a difference in the rubber railings? I see red vs. blue? and the felt? which is best?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

The color of the rubber isn't a determining factor and it doesn't indicate good or bad. There is, however, a difference between rubber profiles. If you use the wrong profile rubber on your table, it will engage the balls either high or low. If the nose height is too high (and this is determined both by the angle cut on the rail itself and the angle of the rubber), the ball rebound won't be as "lively". It will respond the same way a dead rail would because it's actually driving the ball into the cloth and slate. If the nose height is too low, balls will fly off of the table because the ball is basically running up a ramp. I personally like Championship for both rubber and cloth. Their Tour Edition cloth combined with their Tour Edition rubber is FANTASTIC. However, last time I checked, Tour Edition rubber and their Pro-Am rubber is only available in K-66 and K-55 profiles. If your table requires any other profile rubber, you would have to get their MBS Group rubber.

@dan8pool 3 года назад

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@dorothycasey9772 Год назад

what is the correct nose height for ridgeback rails on a 7ft valley table?

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

That rubber specifically? No clue! However, nose height for EVERY rubber is supposed to be between 1-3/8" and 1-7/16". Pool table manufacturers design their tables (and by default, their rails) to be used with a very specific PROFILE of rubber - not brand. If your nose height is to be set within a given range (and it is, it's between 1-3/8" and 1-7/16"), how you achieve that is going to be determined by 1) the height of the top of the rail, 2) the angle at which the rail is cut, and 3) the combined angles of the rubber. If the angle between the top of the rubber and the back of the rubber is more acute, that will drop the nose height. If it's more obtuse, it will raise the nose height. If you're installing the wrong profile rubber on your table, you won't fall between that range regardless of what brand rubber you're using.

@nic2098 3 года назад

I installed new cushions and facings for tighter pockets but could not get the felt right

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

Installing cloth takes a bit of skill and patience. You're welcome to check out my "How to Recover a Pool Table" video. I do go over how it's done.

@jerrycasey1053 3 года назад

How do you ensure the nose of the rail is Exactly correct? is the base of the rail cut so that the top of the rubber goes in the correct place, that is when placing the rubber along the top of the wood and making it line up very closely, and thus the nose comes out right? Or...???

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

If you're replacing rubber on an existing table, the height of the rail and the angle at which the rail is cut for the rubber will determine the nose height. So, if you're using the correct rubber for the table, when you align the top of the rubber with the top of the rail, your nose height will be correct.

@joncue0304 5 месяцев назад

I noticed you said a sander is too slow. My question is, will it work? Although I'd love to add a grinder to my black and yellow set, I'm not sure I want to buy one just to do a single table.

@CreativeRestorations 5 месяцев назад

A sander isn't just too slow. It's not accurate enough. I've tried just about every tool and method over the last 30 years trying to find something that will do the job either better, faster, or for less money and for dialing in the ends of pool table rubber, NOTHING beats using an angle grinder. You can try using a sander if you want but, you won't get the results you're looking for. Hope you liked the video!

@michaeltomeo5772 Год назад

How can I figure out what cushions to use? Most of them do not look like the ones I removed!

@txproudproudamerican9474 3 года назад

I noticed on the rail facings that you only put the Barge glue on the back of the facings and not on the rails. Did I see that correctly? Is there no need to put in on the rails where the facing is going?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

Both sides were glued. I may have unintentionally edited that part out.

@peterstewart6186 3 года назад

If I wasn't comfortable using the grinder what else would you recommend?

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

You could use a sanding block (piece of 2x4) with some 60 grit sandpaper wrapped around it.

@peterstewart6186 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations thank you very much I will be doing this in the next couple weeks this video was great very informative

@henrywoodall9716 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations I had wondered if you had used a hi speed orbital sander on it and how that would work

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

@@henrywoodall9716 I've tried using a high speed orbital sander before. They don't work very well with rubber.

@henrywoodall9716 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Ty I have learned very much from you in a short time

@dc8947 Год назад

What type of grinding wheel are you using?

@CreativeRestorations 11 месяцев назад

Standard "GRINDING" wheel from Home Depot. Don't try to use a cutting wheel. It won't work.

@benjibenji5866 8 месяцев назад

Hi Doug, your videos are really helpful. I’m located in California and I got a 7’ beach Bahama style pool table that I need to replace the rail rubber can you provide me a link to your store and info of rubber that I need to get. Thanks

@CreativeRestorations 8 месяцев назад

Sure thing... billiardsofneworleans.com/store/Pool-Table-Rubber-c34045028 You'll need K-66 rubber and rail facings. I typically recommend using the 3.2mm unbacked rail facings. As for rubber, you've got two different options. You can either get the inexpensive "MBS Group" rubber (which is good) or, you can get the better "Tour Edition" K-66 rubber. If you're replacing the rubber yourself, I would recommend going with the better of the two. If you're not paying for the labor, may as well splurge and get the best option. Don't forget, you'll also have to replace the cloth on the table if you're replacing the rubber. There are LOTS of cloth options. The industry standard for most (average) players is the Championship "Invitational w/Teflon". However, if you plan on playing a lot of pool and upping your game, I would go with either the Championship "Tour Edition" or "Pro-Am" cloth. The Tour Edition cloth plays about the same as Simonis 860 and the Pro-Am plays about the same as the Simonis 760. I have found that both the Tour Edition and Pro-Am are MUCH easier to install than Simonis. That, and they typically wear longer than Simonis. If you take your time and follow my video, you should have no problem with changing out the rubber and/or cloth.

@benjibenji5866 8 месяцев назад

Thank you so much, really appreciated your help.

@josephreinhart8712 3 года назад

How to cut a unique pool table bumper? Unique up on it!

@kokane9277 3 года назад

A little late viewing this video. This looks like a Gandy table which is just like one I just got (Gandy ???? 92x46). I know one end rail has rating on a durometer at 50 and was told this is within expectations for pool table rubber so I did not install new rubber when I re-assembled the table. The other end rail on it however is very dead, very dead. I have checked rubber point height and it is same as others. I have also tightened all rails to equal torque. I am now thinking to replace the entire set of rubbers so couple of questions. 1) What is the model of the Gandy table you worked on here? I have not been able to find the model name anywhere. 2) What is the cushion profile? Hoping not to have to take the rails off to measure this. 3) What rubber did you use for the replacement?

@kokane9277 3 года назад

I should add that the cushion nose height is 1 3/8 in on all rails.

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

You're right. That is a Gandy table. If you replace one rubber, you really should replace all of them. It's just a good idea. That way, they all play identical. 1) I don't know the exact model of that table. Gandy made a lot of different models back in the 60's, 70's and 80's. 2) The rubber profile is a K-66. 3) I used the standard MBS Group rubber from Championship. However, you can use their Pro-Am or Tour Edition rubber for a bit better play. I use their MBS Group rubber because it plays well and the average player won't get the benefit from higher end rubber that a more serious player or professional player will.

@kokane9277 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations Thank you for the answers.

@angelesbarro2778 2 года назад

What glue are you using sir?ty

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

Barge Glue. I have an Amazon link in the video description.

@williammacdonald1790 3 года назад

what is the cost 9 ft table

@rubengarcia667 2 года назад

Does the cloth absolutely need to be replaced when replacing the rails?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

I've answered this a few times. No. It doesn't absolutely need to be replaced. However, you'll probably find that you have little to no additional cloth to pull on when reassembling. You'll probably end up with lots of large wrinkles in your upholstery work. Plus, it's relatively cheap to replace the cloth. It's GOING to need to be replaced anyway at some point. Why not do it once, do it right, and do it the easier way?

@billwiebe6951 2 года назад

How about using 3M scotch weld contact adhesive 10

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

I guess you could use it. I don't have any experience with that particular glue. So, I can't say with any degree of certainty how it would hold up. I do, however, know that the Barge glue works EXTREMELY well for this exact application and it's easily enough removed next time you go to replace your rubbers. Many people don't consider that second half of the process. There are a lot of glues out there that would hold the rubber to the rail for a very long time (if not forever). But, it does need to be reversible. So, unless you have experience working with the 3M Scotch Weld 10 and know that it's easily enough removed later on down the road, I wouldn't use it.

@danjiles 4 года назад

HAMMER TIME 10:45

@CreativeRestorations 4 года назад

I think that's Steve's line. LOL

@Jamz2k 2 года назад

Can you add a link to the knife?

@jonahbailey5474 Год назад

How different would this process look, if at all, on an old coin operated table?

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

Not too different at all. But, it may not be worth it to replace the rubber alone on a coin op. There is a company called "Penguin Amusement" on eBay that sells replacement rails - with rubber and rail facings already installed - for about the same price as the rubber alone. I'd look at what they have available before swapping rubber.

@jonahbailey5474 Год назад

@@CreativeRestorations thanks man, I appreciate the fast reply on an older video.

@hungnguyenphankhanh3271 Год назад

Hi Sir. I installed a pool table by myself today. And I found a problem, after hitting a ball into a rail, a ball came back hopping. With your experience may I know what is the problem is? Thank you so much. Hope you see my comment.

@CreativeRestorations 11 месяцев назад

Chances are, you've got the wrong rubber on the table.

@hungnguyenphankhanh3271 11 месяцев назад

@@CreativeRestorations I truly want to here your opinion. I have a 9ft Imperial Eliminator Table. I don’t really know if it’s a good or bad table. But I want to replace the new cloth and rubber rails. Do you think it worth it? Will good cushion and cloth compensate for bad table? Also it’s 3 piece slate.

@CreativeRestorations 11 месяцев назад

It really depends on the overall condition of the table. If it's in really good condition, sure. Replacing the rubber and cloth would make it play great (or, at least, as great as an amateur player could need). However, it isn't the best table out there and I wouldn't spend the money to replace both cloth and rubber on it if it's beat up. Just my two cents.

@mr.b865 Год назад

What is your preferred spray glue when spraying cloth? Thx

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

3M 90

@bamalowbloodrich3581 4 года назад

That looks like one expensive Rolex you got their!

@CreativeRestorations 3 года назад

I wear that watch every day!

@bamalowbloodrich3581 3 года назад

@@CreativeRestorations well may so you should! God bless you sir!

@DustedPages 2 года назад

when come to the corners near pockets you speed over over the most important part on how to wrap

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

That’s to encourage you to watch my other videos. It’s all there.

@chanceag84 2 года назад

Consider using a ketchup dispenser to spread your glue.

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

Cool tip! I'll have to try that! Thanks!

@GaramondBousie 2 года назад

Can you use 3M Neoprene Contact Adhesive 10 to glue the rubber on?

@CreativeRestorations 2 года назад

Never used it. I exclusively use Barge Cement.

@WilliamCurry-bh3dk 7 месяцев назад

****QUESTION NEW FELT AND BUMPER RAIL COST - fat cat 7 foot duel table pool flip air hockey ? I live in pa

@dleemonk7928 Год назад

Good video but if you’re not experienced with an angle grinder I don’t recommend trying it it takes time and practice to learn how to fine tune with it

@CreativeRestorations Год назад

Using an angle grinder on rubber is FAR less abrasive than one would initially think. Yes. It does make quick work of removing rubber. But, it isn't like using a coarse flap wheel on wood. Removing rubber with the grinder is still slow enough that one can do it with a great deal of finesse.

@WilliamCurry-bh3dk 7 месяцев назад

anyone close to pa refelt and bumpers 7 ft fatcat table flip it over its air hockey

@dougdenaro7546 2 года назад

Dou, d you sell pool table parts and accessories? If so, could you send a catalog. Doug Denaro, 704 North Main, Trenton, IL 62293.

@Mike-tn3wc 7 месяцев назад

Im going to make a diy video but then tell you , "im not going to show you my tricks". Well hey everyone, there are videos that show you anyways that are just as good if not better. So there's that. Smh