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How to rescue a High Speed Train! 

Ruairidh MacVeigh
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As part of a training exercise during the downtime, King's Cross station pilot, DB Schenker Class 67, 67024, was brought over to the front of recently arrived Virgin Trains East Coast Class 43, 43257, to carry out the procedure used in rescuing a failed HST set. This isn't a full procedure as Jumper cables that allow the Class 67 to control the brakes of the HST weren't connected, but it did give a very interesting insight into how when the HST goes wrong, the situation can be saved!
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@alexwiddowson3756
@alexwiddowson3756 5 лет назад
The driver of 67024 in this video is ex-King's Cross VTEC (now LNER) driver Gordon Johnston (now at ScotRail in Inverness). He started driving trains on 11th July 1998, and one of his last services with VTEC was the 07:03 (1D03) to Leeds (43367 leading).
@D.music85
@D.music85 3 года назад
Is it you??
@alexwiddowson3756
@alexwiddowson3756 3 года назад
@@D.music85 That's me writing the comment, and Gordon Johnston is the driver.
@HeartNDagger18
@HeartNDagger18 10 месяцев назад
Did you get his autograph?
@alexwiddowson3756
@alexwiddowson3756 10 месяцев назад
No.
@FerroequinologistofColorado
@FerroequinologistofColorado 4 года назад
Reminds me of the Train Sim world Great Western “Drag line” scenario where you have to use a class 66 to rescue a failed HST and take it to old oak common depot for repair.
@fullycharged2268
@fullycharged2268 3 года назад
I just did this mission very realistic
@Spacebug111
@Spacebug111 3 года назад
lol same
@guywithahoodie7859
@guywithahoodie7859 3 года назад
@Stephenson’s Rocket what steps did you take?
@bradlinsley8028
@bradlinsley8028 3 года назад
@Stephenson’s Rocket parking brake in the hst cab
@arcticliv
@arcticliv Год назад
@Stephenson’s Rocket HST===============HST-66 go to HST close to 66 then go to the drivers seat then find the parking brake then if you find the button with a cap that says parking brake hold that then it will turn the parking brakes off
@kristan999
@kristan999 8 лет назад
"High Speed Train Emergency Coupling" shows well how the draw bars fit and can be slid backwards and forwards to allow for positioning.
@TANGARASandOSCARS
@TANGARASandOSCARS 4 года назад
In case you are blind, we can see here that they've modernised the emergency coupling equipment, probably for the worst.
@D.music85
@D.music85 3 года назад
Alright alright you don’t have to be rude, he’s just being informative.
@steamfandan9682
@steamfandan9682 2 года назад
Dow many different draw bars did a hst have for emergency coupling thought they carried 2 different draw bars
@andyhinds542
@andyhinds542 Год назад
@@steamfandan9682 Yes they did. One for assistance from locomotives, and another for assisting by another HST.
@peterjones6733
@peterjones6733 5 лет назад
Great video, and thank you for NOT adding background music!!
@JAMESDEMU-RailwayModeller
@JAMESDEMU-RailwayModeller 9 лет назад
Great video Good to see something not commonly filmed documented. Very interesting and informative too.
@andyhinds542
@andyhinds542 Год назад
I've had to do that myself. It is important not to pull the second pin out or the drawbar becomes too flexible and you will end up with the HST touching the assisting loco's buffers.
@arthurmatthews9321
@arthurmatthews9321 Год назад
You only pull the second pin out if your using a 08 Gronk.
@aplinewalker
@aplinewalker 9 лет назад
Nice capture and very interesting ,, something you don't see everyday (if ever) even though it was just a training exercise ,,,, nicely documented and many thanks,,, Alan
@JK-zx3go
@JK-zx3go 3 года назад
This is the second of these videos that RU-vid has thrown at me in 12 hrs.
@lemonbirdo1353
@lemonbirdo1353 3 года назад
Just like in the "High Speed Train - Emergency Coupling" video - I'd be scared to stand between the two trains like that.
@HomeMoviePerson
@HomeMoviePerson 9 лет назад
Very interesting. A few years I filmed the uncoupling procedure of a Virgin 57 from a pendolino, quite interesting to watch.
@09weenic
@09weenic 8 лет назад
At least they were wearing gloves unlike the BTF version!
@DieselDudeOffRoad
@DieselDudeOffRoad 6 лет назад
Excellent video. Very well made.
@neilbolger2679
@neilbolger2679 11 месяцев назад
I knew they a 67 on Thunderbird duties but this 1 footage I've seen in action of any kind . Really good , thanks for sharing
@LDEGM
@LDEGM 9 лет назад
Beautiful images with trains and nice loco! Good job! Thumbs Up Greetings from Romania Andrew
@andrewwilson6240
@andrewwilson6240 9 лет назад
Not necessarily the best publicity for virgin/ Stagecoach's first week on the east coast mainline, but the HST is an icon, nearly 40 years on. Long may it stay on our railways.
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 9 лет назад
Thanks! :D
@class313
@class313 8 лет назад
+Andrew Wilson it was just a practice run so they can teach how to do it
@railwork2643
@railwork2643 8 лет назад
+Andrew Wilson well if u count the fact that class 37s have been around longer and that only grand central will be the only company that is supposed to run class 43s but still I like class 43s better than the class 800/801s
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627 2 года назад
I think HST drag rail tours would be a good but occasional idea. I'd love to see the Midland Pullman hauled by a Deltic or an air-braked steamer like Sir Nigel.
@wilfstor3078
@wilfstor3078 3 года назад
For some reason this reminds me of the time we were trying to get a small Canadian shunting engine to couple to a heavyweight lounge car at a museum. It was interesting to say the least as the coupler on the lounge car had rusted into place.
@tonybell8926
@tonybell8926 9 лет назад
Thanks for sharing.
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 9 лет назад
You're welcome :)
@Ed_Gilbert
@Ed_Gilbert 5 лет назад
Great video. Never knew how thy did this.
@STEVEHARLEY1956
@STEVEHARLEY1956 9 лет назад
Nice bit of footage....Steve.
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 9 лет назад
Thank you! :D
@TransportCambs
@TransportCambs 6 лет назад
I saw this happen to a failed VTEC 91 set at Huntingdon, with 67018. Video is on my channel.
@CosgroveNotts
@CosgroveNotts 8 лет назад
It would take 10 American railway staff to do this
@firebunny3198
@firebunny3198 7 лет назад
cosgrove notts it would take an American driver, because all of our trains use knuckles instead of outdated hooks, bars and chains.
6 лет назад
It's maybe outdated, but it's safer.
@connorwills5081
@connorwills5081 6 лет назад
Fire Bunny just because something is newer doesnt mean its better...
@kofola9145
@kofola9145 4 года назад
No, it would not. This coupling has been banned more than a century ago. If anybody tried this in the USA, they would be fired on spot.
@tescotrain
@tescotrain 3 года назад
@@kofola9145 can't you take a damn joke?
@Slinky-if7nt
@Slinky-if7nt 8 лет назад
seen this done a few times, although he forgot to secure the door in the upright position with the 2 bars and the swivel pins lol but otherwise that's exactly how to do it
@leeroberts1192
@leeroberts1192 Год назад
A few HSTs were retrofit with draw hook couplings. I don't know why there weren't all retrofit as I'm sure if they had it would have made it easier to rescue a failed HST. It's possible for an HST to be rescued by another HST, no idea how often that happened
@james123212
@james123212 Год назад
those 8 HSTs fitted with standard drawhooks and buffers was done as part of a modification so they could be used as surrogate DVTs due to late delivery of mk4 sets, there was never any intention to fit the entire fleet like that, also the HSTs do carry a longer coupling bar to allow 2 HSTs to be coupled together
@RTTrainProductions
@RTTrainProductions 6 лет назад
So that’s why that class 67 is parked up at kings cross and Newcastle
@Martindyna
@Martindyna 8 лет назад
Informative video. I wonder how the IC125 got some dents in its nose on the offside.
@wharris302
@wharris302 7 лет назад
Martindyna hitting birds at 125mph maybe lol
@Martindyna
@Martindyna 7 лет назад
You're probably right LOL
@MervynPartin
@MervynPartin 8 лет назад
Very informative video. Just an observation, but years ago, knuckles were made compulsory in the USA after a lot of serious accidents with loop and pin couplers, yet here the knuckle is only used to support the temporary coupler, and the crew still have to connect up with a pin with all the risk that entails. I know it will never happen, but it would be so much better if ALL locos and rolling stock were fitted with knuckles instead of the mixture of BSI, hook and chain, Schaffenberg types and other couplers that we have now..
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Год назад
Obviously he doesn't understand the procedural process that you don't need to use the buckeye coupling on the draw bar there is a hook bar that sits on the locomotive hook for coupling to a locomotive without the buckeye type couplings
@TheRubberDuck
@TheRubberDuck 7 лет назад
One thing I couldn't help but think I know i was just a training excessive as per the description but how come he didn't take out the brake lines, hook them up and then preform a break test like you would if you were recovering a failed HST
@char2c584
@char2c584 6 лет назад
Because its not a failed HST
@sylviaelse5086
@sylviaelse5086 9 лет назад
It seems to require very accurate positioning of the locomotive - there's even a break in the video at the point where they'd be putting the pin in, suggesting it might have taken some time to do. An adjustable length tow bar would simplify things, and surely not be that difficult to design.
@peebee143
@peebee143 9 лет назад
Sylvia Else An adjustable drawbar would likely be considerably heavier to man-handle into that gap. It would also be difficult to close the adjustable section tight without moving the assisting train, too much slack would not be good practice.
@Varinki
@Varinki 9 лет назад
Sylvia Else The drawgear that the drawbar attaches to can be let out a bit for coupling so the drawbar itself dosn't need it.
@smiffy1071
@smiffy1071 8 лет назад
+peebee143 not needed. The link where the drawbar is placed into the HST, is extendable by 12 inches. Once you have the two locomotives coupled together, the 'flexible' gap is closed, and locked by a very thick king pin.
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627
And dont forget to replace the Detent Pin.
@nkt1
@nkt1 Год назад
@@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627 Lol. I’ve watched that video too many times.
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 5 лет назад
Usually already connected up on the hst and the rescue loco couples with the buck eye
@exb.r.buckeyeman845
@exb.r.buckeyeman845 Год назад
Nice to see you using the word “ Buckeye “ everyone calls them knuckles today.
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Год назад
​@@exb.r.buckeyeman845 we use them on GM locos here in Ireland to I used to work on the railway and that's the term that is used both in Ireland and the United Kingdom
@exb.r.buckeyeman845
@exb.r.buckeyeman845 Год назад
@@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Thanks for replying.
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Год назад
@@exb.r.buckeyeman845 no bother
@JJthrashing
@JJthrashing 2 года назад
Why did they decide not to couple up ? Or was it just a training exercise ?
@canvids1
@canvids1 9 лет назад
What was this a staging thing to show how it can be done if needed? looks like that to me. for training reasons only.
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 9 лет назад
Yeah, it was just practice really, there was nothing wrong with the HST :)
@devontransportproductions1411
@devontransportproductions1411 6 лет назад
So they coupled the HST with the class 67 then uncoupled it? What is the point of that?
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 6 лет назад
It was a training exercise :)
@peebee143
@peebee143 9 лет назад
Didn't bother with dropping the bags out ready to couple before the draw bar was inserted. Would be more difficult to unclip them and drag them through with the assisting loco. up close
@ludwigtails
@ludwigtails 6 лет назад
I missed east coast
@themadtrainspotter
@themadtrainspotter 7 лет назад
Epic stuff
@swagboyspeedrunner_mario8996
@swagboyspeedrunner_mario8996 2 года назад
Stopping a steam engine be like: *inserts old iron edward and james scene*
@trainsify
@trainsify 8 лет назад
Excellent I Was Always Wondering How That Procedure Was Carried Out.
@railwork2643
@railwork2643 8 лет назад
Check out high speed train emergency coupling from BR days and explains bettet
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 5 лет назад
Yes if you play train sim World on the great Western scenario drag line you get to do just that with a class 66 instead hook up and tow the hst
@14thStreetProductions
@14thStreetProductions 9 лет назад
Well if that doesn't take the biscuit, knuckles in the UK.
@Varinki
@Varinki 9 лет назад
***** The LNER was fitting knuckle couplers to its passenger carriages back in the 1930s.
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 5 лет назад
Called a buck eye
@ElliottHurst
@ElliottHurst 3 года назад
Why's that HST got dents all over it?
@SportyMabamba
@SportyMabamba Год назад
Bird strikes
@railfangig6699
@railfangig6699 8 лет назад
It was a lot quicker and simpler when assistance could be provided by any loco or train, as they all had a shackle and air pipes - none of these fancy couplings .
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627 2 года назад
It's still the case that any air-braked loco can assist. The power cars now carry three drawbars.
@lanksterprice
@lanksterprice 7 лет назад
It was like waiting for water to boil....
@user-wp1jz6fx9j
@user-wp1jz6fx9j 8 лет назад
イギリスにも双頭連結器があんのか
@Southerntrainspotter315
@Southerntrainspotter315 2 года назад
Skip to the rescue
@Conrailfan2596
@Conrailfan2596 8 лет назад
i did not know that there are knuckle couplers in the uk
@smiffy1071
@smiffy1071 8 лет назад
The passenger cars all have knuckle couplers on this type of train. I believe they can be swivelled down to reveal a more traditional hook and link setup, for when being moved in a yard by a different type of locomotive.
@Redmanb11
@Redmanb11 8 лет назад
+smiffy1071 Actually HST Mk3 trailers have fixed buckeye couplers, loco hauled Mk3a's have the drophead buckeyes. HST trailers usually require translator vehicles to loco haul them or a loco or shunter with a drophead or fixed buckeye coupler.
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627
@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627 3 года назад
@@Redmanb11 To be exact the coupler use for the intercar connections of a HST is called the Alliance Coupler. It's basically an AAR Type E coupler mounted on fixed drawgear. It's the same coupler used on freight cars in the USA. However, it is fully conpatible with standard Type E, Drophead Type E's, and Type F Tightlock Couplers. So, a HST powercar (gangway end) can couple directly to a 67, or even a 91. In fact the MML electricication test train uses two HST powercars to T+T two Class 91's and a rake of Mk3's by directly coupling to the Drophead of the 91. They do however need a translator vehicle when coupling to an item of rolling stock with only Screwlink Couplers.
@freakedout2008
@freakedout2008 5 лет назад
Why is that the station pilot?
@pricey130
@pricey130 5 лет назад
Peter Murfitt it’s not the station pilot it’s the “Thunderbird” rescue locomotive for part of the East Coast Main Line.
@mureseanu976
@mureseanu976 9 лет назад
Seems rather complicated in comparison with our Schaku automatic couple...
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 8 лет назад
+mureseanu976 It's for emergency use only.
@Trains4Fun
@Trains4Fun 8 лет назад
My thinking exactly. Is a little over complicated just to tow the train. I get this really is only for emergency, but even the worker seem a bit confused.
@Gojifan-de7sp
@Gojifan-de7sp 8 лет назад
America.
@mervynsands3501
@mervynsands3501 3 года назад
Very labour intensive!!! Surely got to be a better way than this, .... what a performance😜
@nkt1
@nkt1 Год назад
HSTs have 2 power cars, so total failures are rare. Newer trains have automatic couplers.
@buddmetroliner200gaming3
@buddmetroliner200gaming3 Год назад
ayo that looks like they are making baby
@thenibblershow5305
@thenibblershow5305 2 месяца назад
Ikr😂
@terry-janknappett4095
@terry-janknappett4095 2 года назад
X
@graythewolf6096
@graythewolf6096 5 лет назад
Teh Siemens Charger should replace teh class 43!!!
@alexthetrainlover1579
@alexthetrainlover1579 2 года назад
i dont call that a rescuing a high speed train
@alexthetrainlover1579
@alexthetrainlover1579 2 года назад
this is what i call a tried to rescue a train (runaway) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PR4OMTGAlbE.html
@WorldEagleKW
@WorldEagleKW 8 лет назад
Why does England have so many coupler standards?
@railwork2643
@railwork2643 8 лет назад
Because we have so old trains so the brown is a more modern one than the left so has easier coupling
@EdgyNumber1
@EdgyNumber1 7 лет назад
Railwork F4nTaZ I think Virgin use Dellner(?) coupling devices on their Pendolino trains and the coupling device on their rescue trains were adapted to suit.
@philleonard6940
@philleonard6940 6 лет назад
All irish Trains 15 Or so Different makes all can Adapt to each other even Alstom LHB Tokyu Car which are Darts Dublin area Rapid Transit and they can be towed by either Railcars or Locos.
@RWL2012
@RWL2012 5 лет назад
BSI, Dellner, Tightlock, Scharfenberg etc are used in the whole of Britain, not just "England"... many long distance services run cross-border between Scotland and England, and England and Wales. Before privatisation in the late 90s, the nationalised company was called BRITISH Rail, not "English" Rail... Northern Ireland, the fourth country that is still in the UK but not Britain, has a completely separate railway network.
@leeroberts1192
@leeroberts1192 Год назад
You've also got to take into account if the electrical block/connector is at the top or the bottom of the mechanical coupler
@Niels_f2704
@Niels_f2704 5 лет назад
That’s a really old train coupling, not even electronic
@Nick-re8ry
@Nick-re8ry 8 лет назад
,
@Ak-ve3kw
@Ak-ve3kw 3 года назад
Those trains are not high speed
@ConfusedOxygen
@ConfusedOxygen 3 года назад
The hst is
@ConfusedOxygen
@ConfusedOxygen 3 года назад
125 mph
@kartikeysinha3834
@kartikeysinha3834 6 лет назад
Just pointless
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