How to Save ASHLEY / KAIDAN in Mass Effect 3 - PRIORITY THE CITADEL II - All Outcomes 

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Ash was awful anyway. Kaidan is way funnier once he's done judging you with Cerberus. Ashley becomes slightly less racist in ME3. The drunk scene is kinda funny, but Kaidan is WAY funnier.

I care about you ash-Miranda!

@@kaismith9388 i always saw Kaiden as a little bitch so i would always choose Ashley over him in ME1.

Whatever generates your mass effect field

AND she is originally developed by Cerberus, both the body and EDI herself

_"T H I S B L U E B I T C H M I G H T B E R I G H T."_

...because you asked about it 51 times Ash... 😒

This rang so much truth though 😑 that's one of the reasons I broke up with Kaiden for Garrus 😂😂

Replayd it an houhr ago. Kadin pissed me so off iv visit him in Hospital even brought a Gift and this fcker hast the nervs

@@thethethethe111 Did you have a seizure writing that?

I think this is some point of trust there if they can do that

@@Alien361 indeed

I can imagine his line being along like "I dunno why but it felt right" just a hint to the possible outcome if you couldn't calm Wrex down

Every time I play ME1 I recruit Wrex just so that I can shoot him later :D

@@DogOfEgypt Kinda cringe ngl

@@YaMamasAss agreed

@@YaMamasAss Big cringe

Same, I would say I tried that line before...... but I've never cured the genophage on any play-through

@@KCCC326 why

@@KCCC326 You’ve probably also never done any side quests, I’m guessing you have a short attention span.

For reals I felt so horrible for him

I always felt that this, among other major negative outcomes in Mass Effect, is something you need to be seeking intentionally. Because it's just so impossible to get it wrong by itself

@@p.mosheshamah4307 aye, that's what I have always felt as well.

Goddamn right

It never even occured to me it was possible for her/him to die

Same

Kaidan: Shepard, how could you? Shepard: BRO, it's a DEEP FAKE!

@@BigDanGaming XD

I can only say how I feel about what you've shown as I've never lost them but still feel it was there. The pair are annoying and tools. They trust Udina?! The jerk that betrays you and them in every one of the games over you whom has been spot on and honest the entire time? Some times I think it a shame you save either of them.

Technically you can do that with today's tech. It's just that the ability to create such a thing is difficult, even more so when making it look authentic

Maybe 22nd century omni-tool technology has automatic detection systems to prevent fraudulent alterations on the platform, leading to a counteraction against deep fakes and other more advanced forms of editing.

someone has to

Not to take away from Big Dan, cos it's obviously a lot of work. But back in the original release's time we had people like FluffyNinjaLlama, RedStarBolt, DanaDuchy, Lady Insanity, xLetalis, and a couple more, who did these.

@@vodkavecz right, not taking away from the effort invested at all

SO true!! :D

@@vodkavecz how does that change anything lol

its not weird for them to distrust you for working for a god damn terrorist organization. Imagine someone important to you dying and then after 2 years of mourning later they randomly come back and are working with a nazi group.

Except they don't, nobody knew the Collectors were responsible for Shepard's death until Shepard was able to get on a Collector ship.

@@willfanofmanyii3751Still doesn’t make sense that she’d turn her back on him. Literally everyone of Shepards past teammates let him know that Cerberus was sus af but they trusted Shepard on his reasoning of using them good intentions. Councilor Anderson trusted him, shit man even Admiral Hackett sent him some jobs while working for Cerberus. It was literally just Ashley. She rather trust a snake that betrayed us in the first game than the guy who not only saved her life, twice, but countless others.

@@MrWongWey That's one thing about her character I just don't understand... How she could mistrust Shepard so much despite everything they've (Accounting for both male and female versions) done, and even though just about everyone else but her has their back.

@@MrWongWey that's what makes Chakwas take so great She got a proper leave to work with Shepard and openly says they used abd stole their best respurces and projects being Miranda Edi and Normandy

I don't consider it. As far as I am concerned, if you romanced Williams or Alenko, and after Horrizon in ME2, they left you.

Actually they didnt break up with you ( at least Ashley didnt Kaiden started to see someone) they sent you a mail after that. You didnt returned.after suicide mission you took yourself in to allience. Since you were behind bars they were becoming second human spectre

I know I'm late, but I agree. I'm not sure why the devs (and Ashley/Kaiden) consider you having cheated on them when they were the ones who told you to pound sand on Horizon as soon as they find out you are with Cerberus. The only one you can really actually cheat on is Liara.

Right?? Like girl _you_ fucking left *me!* What'd you think was gonna happen?

It is to monogamists.

Most relatable statement in the entire series.

Ashley on the other hand…

I understand why Ashley’s the way she is but I still keep the lieutenant alive

Kiaden is peak.

It will be worth it if you stay faithful.

I mean, yeah why not? 🤷‍♂️

*Necrophilia* +100 Renegade.

Is he referring to necrophilia or Tali/Miranda/Jack?

Haha interesting

Yeah it's pretty easy to keep them alive if you're talking to them in ME3. You kind of have to go out of your way to lose their trust.

Thane wouldn't be a great war asset if that were the case. His time is short before Lang comes along. But I agree, it would've been a great scene to have both help fight off Lang and no one dies from the event, maybe letting Thane survive to see the ending of the game, if your assets are high enough.

Even pirimitive quarians were condered attractive in my age.shame nobody could appreciate it now. Perhaps maybe commander?

Hint: Just because we say something doesn't mean you should act based on what was said. ;)

@@cassiespencer6134 Well too bad, i'm boning the sickly girl in the engine room, she's not playing games with my fragile reconstructed heart.

After the mission to the Horizon, you can talk to the Joker, and he will ask about meeting with the former, and you can answer that it's all over. On my first playthrough, I thought the game would take this into account, but apparently not.

Good move Ash.

Even when shepard choses liara over you the has a fling with miranda. Then gose back to liara?

we watched you, unless that was doctored footage.

Likewise. Udina is a snake!

hey uuuh, sorry for leaving you behind on virmire

Hahaha glad you enjoyed it

I've seen the scene before, too, where they refuse. Specifically in a rarely seen moments video, including how Mordin can live.

Yes. They refuse to join, if you pick the Renegade line first, then the Paragon one next during the conversation as you before leave the Citadel. They join, if you pick both Paragon lines.

Keeping Wrex alive and curing the genophage means your brain is working properly. :)

I fully agree, especially on the last point. Frankly I felt a bit guilty carrying on my new relationship in ME2 after I received the apology letter from Kaidan. It had been 2 years, you died, didn't manage to contact them (even though you tried), yet he still apologises and says he still loves you despite everything.

By Horizont, Shepard can either regain his Specter statute, which generally makes him dependent on the Alliance, or meet Anderson, Udina, and Hackett, who generally don't care that Shepard is working with Cerberus as long as he/she doesn't cause problems for them. So it's not even their area of expertise. The player may not even call them with him, this is purely optional. And wouldn't it be in their interest to learn more about the situation and Shepard's connection to Cerberus? But they just don't want to listen - and this is somehow unprofessional?

Thank you!

It’s implied that they were only granted Spectre status to be used as a tool by Udina-Cerberus, so, maybe they’re not good enough

@@Marshal_Dunnik Very good point! Though I feel a bit bad that these two characters never had the characterization like some others did, for example, Garrus, who is pretty popular!

It's probably because of their association with Shepard; they knew how good he was so memebers of his team like them must have at least some similar skill sets in their minds. At least, Udina probably spinned this story to the other members of the council and they bought it.

For Ashley, yes, especially considering how her family is/was blacklisted--though her working with Shepard probably cleared that. For Kaidan, not so much. At this point he's got the rank of Major; he's a powerful biotic; he's proven himself as both an excellent leader and teacher to his Special Biotics Division students; of course he ran with Shepard during ME1, but even before that he had a bunch of commendations from previous postings. I don't find it far-fetched for him, personally, especially because it's no longer 'The First Human Spectre™'. And really, when you compare where he's at in ME3 to where Shepard was at when they became a Spectre, it's not that far apart.

​@@newvelaric I think Kaidan had a good amount of growth and a nice character arc. Ashley otoh kinda got screwed over, a lot of which had to do with her original writer having left. So she got a barbie makeover, complete with heels and long hair, which isn't even allowed in the military (what the hell was wrong with her bun? it looked great on her), and the culmination of her character arc is passing out black-out drunk on the floor of the Normandy. Classy. Also gotta remember that Garrus had three (almost) full games of characterization, while the VS had one and... let's be generous and say a half? Depends on how much of the side content and DLC you do before the coup, I suppose. They also screwed *both* of them over by often giving them basically identical lines/actions, instead of writing according to their respective (radically different) personalities, making both of them feel more generic in the process. A good example is actually in ME2, when the seeker swarms attack: Ashley shoots at them because there's little else she can do to distract them while the civilians run, checks out. But why wouldn't Kaidan's first instinct be to put up a barrier against the things, likely shielding at least a few other people in the process? Oh yeah, because he's also Ashley and they couldn't be bothered to not have their animations be identical. I think that's actually one of the biggest reasons they don't rank very high on most people's favourite characters lists--Bioware/EA were lazy and post-Virmire condensed them into one character whenever possible, resulting in both of their personalities getting watered down.

Nah, I personally prefer her to Kaidan. She's controversial but Kaidan's just straight boring.

@@allykayalltheway6631 But Ashley is racist so i'm going with Kaidan.

@@allykayalltheway6631 The difference between Kaidan and Ashley is that Kaidan is comfortable with who he is and has basically already had his development finished before ME1. I feel like he should've received more of a story arc so that players would've been interested in him, but honestly, it comes down to romance choice at the end of the day.

@@benmac7552 its een years and im replaying the games now. ashley is like hardcore racist. Like they tone it down over the trilogy but shes an awful person.

@@ubadman1 No, she’s not. I’m not anywhere near an Ash apologist, I always tell her to shut the hell up when she starts talking bad about aliens, but it’s somewhat understandable while not exactly justified. First of all, you roll with a Turian. The First Contact War was only 26 years prior to ME1. That means a year before Ashley was born, one of the bloodiest battles humanity has ever seen was fought. If you even *slightly* talk to her, you know her family’s history and why the First Contact War is such a big deal to her. It’s been a disgrace and a blemish on her family’s history and her career and their honor fell in the eyes of the Alliance, all because of how brutal the Turians were. Yes, relations are somewhat better (not by much, but they aren’t trying to kill each other anymore) and the Normandy is of Human-Turian design, but it’s still hard for her to get over everything immediately and just trust them. This is a case for literally every alien species in the game, even those that have been allies for a long time. The Krogan are also understandable. They were the most dangerous species in the galaxy and attempted to take it over with mass genocide by throwing *fucking meteors* at planets. I’d say a little distrust in them is warranted, especially when the majority still kill for a living even after they’ve been neutered. Humans are still new to the greater galaxy and, as such, are not trusted by aliens. Likewise, *they* do not trust aliens either. Xenophobia is no different from racism in ME, and that something I don’t tolerate. However, Ash isn’t a space racist, she’s the games conduit for the common mentality of humanity at this point on the galactic stage. She makes it very clear that she thinks humanity should learn to stand on it’s own because when the council races have their backs against the wall, they’ll abandon humans if that’s what it takes to survive. She was correct. It’s made excruciatingly clear time and time again that they won’t listen to humans and put their own interests above that of humanity. That is, until they need help. You can have a different perspective while still understanding where she’s coming from. Hell, I think she’s wrong as hell and that attitudes like hers will only be a detriment to the unification of the galaxy; however, her views are shared by the majority of humanity as well as the alien species throughout the franchise. The fact that she’s so against Cerberus goes to show how *not* racist she is. They’ve made it very clear over the trilogy how many people join Cerberus for pro-humanism bordering xenophobia. If she were as bad as everyone makes her out to be, she most likely would’ve joined just for that very reason. If you want to see a true space racist, look no further than Pressly. You can find his logbook in the SR-1’s wreck in ME2. He has a change of heart due to Shepard’s leadership, but he’s very clearly anti-alien at the start. People need to learn the difference between racism and skepticism. Skepticism is valid, especially when specific concerning patterns have already been established. She’s a skeptic and a misguided one at that, but there are multiple indicators over the course of the first game that give an idea of her growth and change of perspective. Since you spend the entire second game apart, there’s no way to know what eye-opening things she’s experienced between 1 and 3. By the time ME3 *DOES* roll around, she’s being considered for a Spectre position. Yes, it was Udina’s idea and he had ulterior motives, but the rest of the council has to sign off on it. This means she *HAS* to have done *something* to signify that she’s an ally to other species. All in all, space racist? No. Misguided, emotionally driven, and paranoid? Absolutely.

Made me tear up that did (it was an emotional day)

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He gets his hands dirty so we don’t have to 🤣 Also, nice profile pic

Oof, that's brutal... But depending on how things play out (Especially if you've got low/negative trust and have been reacting negatively consistently to them questioning you working with Cerberus), that would be a cold but fitting bit of dialogue. Really hammers in the rift that mistrust can create between Shepard and Ash/Kaiden.

Gotta love Carth Onasi

@@themightymcb7310 And he was Delta-62 in Republic Commando.

Only killed ash my first time round for the romance questline

At least Ash is a woman of faith. My next play through (and every other, actually) she lives.

Ash is too hot to die

Yeah the logic is a little wack

That assassin should be ashamed he let a sick drell stop him from getting to his target