Technically no. The way it works in this exact scenario is that game 4 gets thrown (game 5 becomes game 4, game 6 becomes game 5, game 7 becomes game 6, and if that leads to a tied series a 7th game will be scheduled to decide who gets the cup) the last game still decides who wins the cup. The oilers racked up the first four wins (leaving only 3 games left to play) so they call it sweep because those 3 remaing games are moot. Theres really nothing special about this ruling. If they cant play they cant play.
@@kalonspecht4975 You're correct, except for the weird nomenclature of numbering the games non-chronologically. The last game played, the decider, is called game 4 (at least in the scenario above. The second-to-last game is called game 7, which indeed could be lost by eventual Stanley Cup winners (placing the series in a 3-3 position with game 4, the decider, still to play.)
@@TheHuesSciTech Except it's not just the nomenclature - it's also home advantage which is affected. As they said, overall it kind of balances out but it still changes it.
Quick fact on why the AC wasn't on in the Garden. The Garden at the time didn't have AC in the first place. There was a Lakers-Celtics finals where this was a problem as well, so then, it was pretty normal for the Garden to be hot as balls
@@jacobgolder6 great question lol. It was either the garden with thousands of seats (and more $$$ for the owners) or at college arenas with a fraction of the seating capacity, which equals a lot less money for the owner(s). I think at the time, they could've dealt with no AC if it meant people were still going to games. That's a theory tho. I have absolutely no idea and ask myself that same question whenever I see the '88 finals come up in a video/discussion
@@jacobgolder6 Because New England is usually plenty cool enough until late May....there was an exceptionally warm unseasonable front. The *new* Garden does, in fact, have AC
- Plus, this was also played on the same day as the famous Celtics-Hawks Game 7 played at the Garden earlier that way( the famous Bird-vs-Dominique Wilkins 'duel' in Game 7 won by the Celtics ). By the time Game 4 between the Oilers & Bruins got underway, conditions inside the Garden were sweltering with heat & humidity, which in turn caused the ice to fog over, and ultimately the power circuits inside the Garden and failed at the height of play in the 2nd period. Not to mention the equipment inside the Garden was ancient as hell and no matter how hard they tried to, there wasn't any chance for the game to resume play because even 30 minutes after the fact they came to the realization that the game would not be resumed because too much time had passed and they still hadn't restored full power inside the Garden, and considering this was the Stanley Cup Final, they couldn't afford anymore delays this late in the year with the Cup up for grabs at this time of the year.
This isn't even the Stanley Cup Finals game between Edmonton and Boston where the power went out that I thought of first. I was thinking about the game from 1990, but that one was finished after a delay. Incredible when you say "Stanley Cup Finals game between Edmonton and Boston when the power went out" and you have to follow with "Which one?" Also... probably good Boston replaced the old Garden.
I thought it was one in the same. The heavy fog. Glenn Sather not allowing his players to skate in their end to make the fog less thick... I chold be dead wrong.
While not a weird rule I'd like to point to the "quiet game". An NFL game between the Bills and Chargers in Buffalo where the power went out and they decided to continue the game without electronics of any kind.
Sports leagues get reeeeeeally twitchy when this happens because there's a chance that it was done for gambling reasons - there have been soccer matches where the lights failed in the middle of what would have been a shock result.....
@@dla_915 1: The UK called it Soccer pretty often back when Rugby was more commonly called Rugby Football. 2: This is an american series with an international audience. Why would I not use the less confusing term?
Kelpo is good We call it soccer, you call it football. That’s fine. What is not fine is you pushing your American-hating agenda on us. Stop doing that, and I can stop hating your stereotypical English handegg rant. How about we just respect each other’s differences, ok?
No U A: No. It does not sound like an insult. It doesn’t sound respectful. It doesn’t sound like anything but a damn name. B: We will call it soccer. You will call it football. Neither is ‘correct.’ I don’t care if you think it’s an insult, it’s not. C: So you can call it American Football, but we can’t call it the name we call it in our own country. D: Your reply to GoonerBear was incorrect. It is called soccer in Australia, New Zealand, and Japan, despite soccer being vastly more popular than football. E: I really don’t care if you find it respectful or not. It’s our name, and you will deal with us calling it what we will in our country.
Another great video! Just a suggestion for your next video, if you're interested: In July 2003, during an MLS playoff game between DC United and the New York Metrostars, the legend that is cheatin' Bob Bradley was born. So how did this nickname come about? Back then, in MLS, they didn't do Extra time like the rest of the world, they did overtime, meaning first goal wins. So, during this playoff game, when at the end of regulation the game was tied 2-2, they went to overtime. Metrostars head coach Bob Bradley was desperate to get some fresh legs on the field, but had already used all 3 of his regular substitutions. So what he did next was what some call cheating, but what I think was a stroke of genius. Back then, MLS had a strange rule where you're allowed 3 field substitutions, plus an extra goaltender substitution. So what Bradley did, was he made goaltender Tim Howard swap positions with one of his midfielders, just for a few seconds. During those few seconds in which the field player was used as a goaltender, Bradley used his goaltender substitution to sub him out, and to sub in 16 year old midfielder Eddie Gaven. So there was Gaven, the youngest player to play in MLS at the time, playing in goal. The Metrostars then purposefully kicked the ball out of play at the first possible opportunity, so that they could switch Tim Howard back in goal, and put Eddie Gaven into midfield. And thus, the brilliant maneuver was complete. Just to rub salt into DC United's wounds, you probably guessed what happened next. Yup, Gaven went on to score the overtime winner, and the Metrostars advanced at United's expense.
In the 2002 FIFA world cup they also used first goal wins in extra time aka golden goal. Did the MLS have a time limit on how long the game could go on without a goal or was it possible to go on forever?
@@arsenalfanatic09 Golden Goal games play just like extra time, except a goal ends it. So, to answer your question, it would go to 120 mins then a shootout.
It's worth noting that the power outage was due to a transformer explosion so it wasn't just limited to the Gardens itself and there probably wasn't a whole hell of a lot they could do but play on a different day.
As opposed to the Super Bowl, where someone hit a pole, and took the lines down. Utility services at the Superdome just had to flip a giant dump switch, and change the power service, which, for safety reasons, takes about 10 minutes.
For a similar (non-playoff) situation. See the Rich Peverley incident. The game was delayed, but the goals carried forward. Interestingly, one of the Blue Jackets players (Nathan Horton) scored in the first "game" but was absent from the second, so he scored in a game he technically did not play.
Mentioning how the statistics stood for the players reminds me of how Nathan Horton scored a goal in a game he wasn’t in. In 2014, he played for Columbus, and in a game against Dallas, he scored a goal during a game which had to be postponed because Stars player Rich Peverley basically died on the bench (he ended up being OK, though). The rescheduled game was played at the end of the season, and Horton’s goal stood, despite him missing the make-up game due to an injury!
The Boston Garden was one of the smallest rinks in the NHL ever. It sat 14448(hockey configuration) at the time of it's closure and the ice surface was not regulation size. It was also a dump. It never had AC, had awful acoustics and had sight lines blocked by structural pillars.
Oh yes. I know the “obstructed view” seats well unfortunately. It wasn’t only the pillars, but some of the seats had 1/2 to 3/4 of the ice/court blocked from view by the upper deck seating.
I saw a David Lee Roth interview recently where he said they ran into issues there with getting the proper power for a Van Halen concert in the 80's. Which makes sense with the building being from the 1920's when electricity was more of a luxury than a requirement.
It was a smaller rink. It just had 2 microphones for PA, one for Rene Rancourt to sing the National Anthem, the other for the game announcers. You could actual hear Johnny Most or Fred Cusick broadcast the games if you sat close enough!
I wanna see them do one on Ronald Acuna technically hitting a Home Run before his major league debut, due to him playing a game that was suspended till after his MLB Debut..
@@thekandycinema3193 I looked that up. One thing I noticed in the pictures was all the empty seats when he was hitting it out of the park. Are there attendance issues in baseball still ?
@@jasonvoorhees8545 Only half the game was played and it was on a Monday during the day, reasonably understandable for it to not be sold out. The first part of the game was sold out
I was just about to turn nine-years-old that very same week. I had completely forgotten all about this incident. Watching this video brought back memories I never would have experienced otherwise. Good job guys. And thanks.
It happens in the Regular Season too. A few years back, when Rich Peverly collapsed in Dallas about half way thru the first period, they suspended the game. They ended up playing the game about a month later. The odd thing is that Columbus was up 1-0 when play stopped. The game was started again like that event didn’t happen, but Columbus was up 1-0 with 20 minutes remaining in the first period. Even more odd was the goal scorer was Nathan Horton, who was injured between the suspended game and when it was actually played, and was credited with the goal. That’s right, he has a goal in a game he technically never played.
The power also went off during the '96-'97 AFC championship game when the Jaguars played the Patriots in old Foxborough Stadium. An article I found said they got the lights back on in about 11 minutes. So the NFL had a precedent for the Super Bowl already.
I remember watching this as it happened. John Ziegler (NHL president, as they called it at the time) was right on the scene to explain the by-law. This is different from the previous round, when he couldn't be found at all to hear Jim Schoenfeld's appeal of his suspension for the Have Another Donut incident, resulting in the Devils taking the case to court and getting a temporary injunction overturning the suspension, which in turn led to Yellow Sunday (the replacement officials).
I'm sure someone has pointed out they had no AC in the old Garden. They frequently had problems there in the late Spring games. Fog on the ice was another constant threat. You pretty much couldn't see the ice from the upper areas of the arena. I seem to remember that when it got so bad it affected the game they would have stoppages and the players would all go out and just skate around to help the fog dissipate.
So I live in Alberta and my parents were in they’re 20s during the Gretzky era as well as big Oilers fans (I am too) So right after watching this video, I just had to ask my mom if she remembered it, and oh boy did she. She not only remembered the power outage, she could also recall, the name of the stadium and the fact is was the game when Glen Anderson scored his 10 second goal, she could remember the name of the announcer who had to talk through the minutes of dead air. Bob Cole.
The rule makes sense from a business/logistics perspective. You don't need to panic to reschedule a game, instead you have a week or so to plan out the "8th" game just in case, and I would assume all the people with those "game 4" tickets would get in for free. That would be the best case scenario for those fans. The problem seems to lie in the fact that the rule's repercussions are dependent on which game of the series got destroyed. In this case, it gave the oilers a massive home-turf advantage, but it would have done the opposite if the lights went out in game 5 and the 3-1 series went to the bruins home instead of the oilers home. It's probably the best solution for a circumstance where a game simply cannot be continued. But it's weird that they didn't even try to keep the game going after what sounds like an easily reparable short circuit. Don't they have backup power?
I can't see why you're so thrown by the rules saying basically, "The game had to be called due to unsafe conditions, since this is best of 7 series we will stop this game and replay it at the end if necessary". That seems perfectly reasonable to me. If one team won 4-0 then games 5,6, and 7 would never be played. As it was one team won the first 4 full games played and since it doesn't matter what 4 games you win why is this even an issue?
It looked like their tiny brains were melting trying to figure out what “we’ll play game 4 later if needed” meant. Although, I think they were just wondering why not just replay the game as Game 4 so they could be in Boston. But really, in the situation, there isn’t much of an advantage at home, especially since less than 50% of home teams have won Game 4.
Yeah, exactly. Rescheduling next games to take place in the opposite towns would have pose more problems. People already had tickets for thd specific times and places didnt they. This is completely logical solution
@@panda4247 Especially since you have shared facilities. The teams work with the arena owners to reserve the dates for their games but sometimes that alternate date is used up. By setting the bylaws the way they did, they aren't changing their reserved dates with the arena owners, they're picking a future date for the a new reservation - which makes sense. It's worth noting that there have been series where they've had to go away from the standard formats because of conflicting schedules. It's just a case where the "purity of the sport" must be sacrificed in the fact of logistical realities. As for "why would you toss out the game?" Well, are you going to get buts in seats for a remaining 5 minutes of the game or are you going to get them back for a fresh game? Again, logistical realities get in the way of "purity of the sport".
The problem is they erase the score of that game. Like if I'm winning 6-0 halfway through the third period and then it's cancelled, I'd be pissed if the series ends up tied 3-3 and I lose that last game that I technically was up 6-0 in.
4:30 I think you both confused each other somehow lol it would be the 8th event. Game 7 is game 7. Game 4 is just replayed as the official full 7th game.
This makes a lot of sense for scheduling purposes. Moving 1 hockey game (and all the setup teardown and ice making that goes with that) is a lot easier than moving an entire series.
If the Bruins had won a game 7 and then lost the makeup game 4, would they have been the first team to ever lose a playoff series and win a game 7 in that series?
Also, Gretzky picked up 2 assists which gave him 13 points for that series, another Stanley Cup Finals record. If they didnt count those 2 assists from the cancelled game 4 he would have had just 11 point in the series which was 1 short of the 12 point Final Series record at that time, (done by 3 players at the time and 5 players total now). So actual there are 2 records from that game.
I remember watching that game on TV. The Boston gardens was such a joke already by that point. They would literally need to fan the fog away from the ice surface so that the players could see the game.
This actually makes total sense to me. They've already scheduled those jobs, they have to run when they run. Moving the 1 delayed job would cascade and delay all of the jobs, so they process it once the others have run.
It makes sense to me if they're unable to continue play. If game 4 is scheduled to be played in Boston on Tuesday, halfway through the game the power goes out and can't be restored. Game 5 is scheduled to be played on Thursday in Edmonton, people have purchased tickets/made travel plans/hotel plans/... Maybe they could play the game on Wednesday in Boston, but what if there's another event scheduled at the venue for Wednesday night? Sure it's a bit different in this case as it was a potentially series deciding game so it's less likely that game 5's date/time is set in stone and that people have made travel arrangements for it, but they need to have a bylaw to account for what happens and this is a situation that is less likely to cause scheduling issues, particularly if it were earlier in the series.
A few years ago, the NHL postponed a game when Dallas' Rich Peverley had a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital. The game was 1-0 in the 1st when it was called. The rescheduled game started over from the beginning except that the original game's goal carried over. That gives some idea how they might handle this situation today.
This is similar to old MLB rules where games would be called due to darkness (as there were no lights). Specifically, the Fred Merkle game in 1908 between the Giants and Cubs. That game infamously ended in a 1 to 1 tie after 9 innings. MLB decided that the game would be made up at the end of the season, but only if it affected the standing. Well the two teams finished tied for first place so the game needed to be decided. But instead of continuing from the 1 to 1 tie, they just played an entirely new game. The Cubs won the game and the pennant.
Cool to see the NHL was handling power outages in Stanley Cup games in a similar way to how MLB handled World Series games before lighted stadiums we're a thing.😂
This actually happened not to long ago. A few years back Rich Peverly had a heart attack on the Dallas Stars bench, and was eventually revived and taken to the hospital. It caused such a delay in the game that the NHL decided to suspend the game. At the time, the Columbus Blue Jackets were winning 1-0 on a goal by Nathan Horton. A month or so went by before they could play the game again, this time starting with a score of 1-0 at 20:00 in the 1st. The real strange thing is that Nathan Horton was injured in the meantime and techically scored a goal in a game he did not play in.
I really enjoyed this, but since you spoke as if something else should have been done I'd be interested in what a better solution would have been considering the logistics involved. You could have played just the end of that game at some later date, but that leads to a number of issues, such as, are you going to sell tickets and TV for part of a game? And it's not as if you can change the location of the games you've already sold tickets to. All in all, while this is odd I'm not coming up with a better solution if you can't get the power up quickly enough to restart the game that night.
Similar thing happened in a junior hockey series I was involved in in 2015. Team A was up 3-0 in series and leading 4-2 through two periods in Game Four in Team B's building. Power went out. Game postponed to next afternoon with fresh 0-0 score. Team A wins 8-4. I still call it a 4 2/3- game sweep.
I understand why, but I feel they could structure it better I feel they should scrap the game, and continue the series from that game, keep the stats and everything So if this happens now, the next time the teams play, it’ll be 0-0 same stadium, fans get to use the same tickets, etc.
The Australian Football League used to have a rule where if a playoff game (called finals games in Australia) ended in a draw, including the grand final, the game wouldn't go into overtime. What they would do is just come back the next week and replay the game. In 1991, it was changed so that other finals games would have 2 halves of 5 minutes each of extra time to break the tie, but not for the Grand Final In 2010 when Collingwood played St. Kilda and the game ended in a 68-68 draw. The game was replayed the next week and Collingwood won 108-52. This rule was finally changed in 2016 where teams would play the extra time and if it was still a draw, they would play until the next score, whether a goal or behind.
In Aussie Rules, if a match is called off due to injury or circumstances (any event that would stop the game for over 30 minutes), it depends on when the game was called off. If it's before half time, the game is declared a draw. Current scores are used for percentage (where applicable). If it's after half time, those scores are used.
It makes sense to me that a game abandoned due to power failure would be replayed from scratch, this has happened in the Football League (EFL to you non-Brits) and the Premier League, when Floodlights have failed or the weather has caused it to be abandoned on safety grounds, or whatever. It also makes sense to me that if games have already been organised for a set date then they can't easily be moved, as tickets have been sold, tv schedules planned etc. But in this case it sounds like games 5,6 & 7 may or may not happened in the first place, so cancellation of organised games should be a well-oiled procedure for the NHL, and so they should be able to put games 5, 6 & 7 on hold until game 4 replay has been slotted in to the schedule, or else keep the dates and times of games 5, 6 & 7 but switch the venues, where necesssary, to preserve the pattern of location (as if they were 4,5 &6), and therefore the home ice advantage of the team who earned it, but having said that the rule, when made, had to be equally applicable to all 7 games, and presumably since the first 3 always have to happen they are always pre-sold ticketwise, and pre-scheduled by TV etc, and so it would have been harder to rearrange the current and later games if the problem had occured earlier in the series.
This kinda sorta happened a few years ago. The Stars and Blue Jackets had a game suspended after Stars forward Rich Peverley suffered a heart attack. The Blue Jackets led 1-0 late in the first period. So, they started the game over, a full 60 minute game, but with the Blue Jackets being credited with a PPG by Nathan Horton at 0:00 of the first period. Horton played in what turned out to be his final NHL game the day before the makeup game, and so technically scored his final NHL goal in a game in which he didn't even play.
There’s a similar thing in baseball except the game is only suspended if it’s tied and a suspended game is just finished from where it left off. If it happens before the end of the 5th inning though, it doesn’t matter what the score is, the game is replayed because a game has to pass the fifth to be considered an “official game”. So if it’s the 6th inning and there was a runner on second with 2 outs and the game tied, that’s how the new game would start. If it was the bottom of the 5th with bases loaded and a 3-0 count in a 15-0 game, the game is replayed.
I know you guys don’t do Australian sport that much but a good weird rule is how up until 2011ish in Australian footballs grand final (super bowl) if your scores are tied at the end of regulation you had to replay the whole game a week later
You guys should do a series where you do like a deep analysis of the players on certain great championship teams. It’d be cool to see more than just the stars and see how they all got there. Give me series credit if you do it though hehe
I don’t know if there is, but is there a rule against spitting in your opponent’s face to blind them for a second? If so, what player did it to make it a rule?
To be fair, we're talking about a huge difference in the sporting events. The Super Bowl can't postpone unless absolutely necessary, way too much money spent on it and its only one game. The Stanley Cup is a series, where postponing 1 game isn't that huge of an ordeal. I can't find any information on it, but I'd like to know how long they troubleshot the electrical issues before calling off the game. Did they call it off immediately, or did they have their electricians look for 15 or 20 minutes and decide it wasn't something that could be fixed in a reasonable amount of time?
Having watched competative League of Legend (LoL), where the chronoshift feature failed (or not existed yet), this doesn't seem like that weird of a rule. In LoL, they do however play the game immediately if it is in a bo3 or bo5 series, instead of moving it to the end. It is also not unfair, because the Oilers would have won the series in the fifth game anyways. It's also not like the BB got disadvantaged much anyways, because the score was tied when this happened. Side note: it is true that there isn't really a home or away team in LoL, since both play in the same studio or online, but there is side selection (blue vs red side) which has champion draft and map movement implications.
I have this cool story for a video: Basically this game was played normally, and ended normally, but after the game one team celebrated because they won and the other reflected on how the could’ve won the game
First, you forgot to mention the funny part of that game. Because of the 85 degs in the Garden, there rink was fog soup. The players were skating in circles to try to get the fog to lift. On the game pushing, I'm sure this comes down to scheduling out a 7 game series across two venues, logistics of the arenas and travel in particular. And yes, the old Garden was awful. If you were in the upper section with obstructed views, there were as many pigeons as people.
Wait so no one rioted because of this? In Australia, there was an AFL game where the lights went out and the crowd decided to crash the field, start fires and take a goal post for a lap of honour around the stadium. Then they finished the game a few days later.
You brought up the air conditioning in the old Boston Garden. From what I understand, the building wasn't air conditioned at all. And it wasn't the only building. The Aud in Buffalo wasn't air conditioned either. The Flyers and Sabres played game 3 of the '75 finals in a fog.
Do a video on the invention of the shot clock in basketball. There didn't used to be a limit on how long you could hold the ball so if the other team had a monster of a player you'd take a 5 minute possession passing the ball around until you got just the right shot and limit what the other team could do and prevent them from catching up if you got a lead. It happened in the 50's if I remember correctly
Do the players get to keep the stats? Like, scoring adds to the total number of goals/active games (which this one doesn’t count as) thus your % is higher?
I was at a penguins/leafs game around 2006 and the power went out at the Mellon arena for what seemed like a long time. When they restored power they combined the 2nd and 3rd period into one longer period. I don’t remember how long but it was weird as hell
Sometimes, they do that if something unusual happens that causes an extended stoppage during the latter half of a period (a traumatic injury near the end of the period, a lengthy repair to something that needs to be fixed, etc.). They would shift the break between periods up, and play the rest of the period after that, with the usual horn to swap ends (and maybe a shovel crew cleaning of the ice). It's very rare, and I haven't seen it done in years. I remember it happening when Paul Ranger was injured on a very bad hit with like a minute to go in the period.
I prefer the videos without the talking to each other. But I do like that your the only RU-vidr who doesn't out shitty little video edits in every 30 seconds of some cringy crap. So yous are great for not doing that.
Video: in 2015, ahl goalie David Leggio was facing a 2-on-0 breakaway, and rather than face it he turned around and knocked his own net off, leading to a penalty shot that he stopped. The AHL immediately passed a rule that this is now an awarded goal, and the NHL followed suit. Then in 2018, David Leggio, now playing in Germany, was facing a 2-on-0 and DID THE EXACT SAME THING, and it worked because the DEL doesn't have that rule.
In the QMJHL, a guy scored a goal for both teams in a single game. He scored for the first team in the first part of the game, then they had to stop the game for a reason that I don't exactly know then the guy got traded to the other team, they finished the game like 2 months later and the guy scored for his new team against his former team in the "same game"
I don't remember the details, but when I was a kid a soccer player got a red card in a game that also technically didn't happen. What happened was that the game got scrapped due to a wrong decision by the referee that was deemed severely enough to change to outcome of the game and they replayed the game later, but the player got a red card in that game and they also decided that the red card would stand as that is a personal penalty for unfair behaviour and not related to the unfair decision by the referee. But that to be happening again is almost impossible, now as they changed the rules so a game could only be scrapped and replayed if the ref intentionally broke a rule or if the game couldn't be finished for some reason.
If you look up articles written about game 4 there are some interesting facts the video didn't talk about. One of the strangest things is the NHL called the game after 10 minutes of the power being out. It was turned back on less than 30 minutes after going out. Something about that doesn't seem right...
If you scored a goal in game 4 like the 10 second goal and they had to play "game 4" you would've statistically scored a goal before the game started? What would the time of the goal be?
Okay so say team A is up 3 games to 0 on team B. Game 4 is postponed until after game 7. Team B wins games 5, 6, and 7, so they go back and play game 4. Team A wins. Does the series go into the record books as 4-0 or 4-3?
It makes perfect sense, if the series is tied after game 7 you play a fourth game to determine the winner. Fortunately the Oilers won game 5 to sweep the series and game 4 was unnecessary.
It sorta makes sense that you have to tack it onto the end because of ticket sales and the like. While a Stanley Cup final between the Bruins and Gretzky's Oilers doesn't have that much trouble selling tickets I am sure, a first round game between the Coyotes and Panthers might (yeah yeah impossible matchup I know). And you can't just change the dates of every other game very easily for the exact same reason. And you won't start the game at 3-3 because who would pay for half a game? Like it or not money runs professional sports leagues not fairness.
