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How to Sharpen a Chainsaw with Elegant Efficiency [smoother & straighter cuts] 

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Up your sharpening game and saw smoother and quicker! I show what I did, and most people, even experienced chainsaw users, do wrong when sharpening chainsaw chain for Alaskan milling.
Having a sharp chain is really important when you come to chainsaw milling, and it can be a bit trickier than sharpening chains for regular cross cutting. If the chain is sharpened unevenly it will cause major problems: an uneven finish on the milled lumber at best, overloading the saw and damaging the guide bar and chain at worst. In this video I share tips on how to sharpen chains to get really nice smooth and flat slabs.
If, like me you ever hit metal or glass or a rock with your chainsaw chain, it is likely only a grinder will save it.
The grinder I use is a much cheaper copy of the Oregon Bench-Mount Chain Sharpener, Model# 520-120. It's called ZF-ES009 230W (though these names do change!) and it too has a cast aluminum chassis, but has some drawbacks over the Oregon, which I go into in the video. It was about $140 from ebay USA: ebay.us/iBLI5h UK ebay: ebay.us/ELJicX
Or check out the Oregon one here: ebay.us/ZNYBdM
The game-changing 5 ¾” CBN grinding wheel we use was from a company called Baltic Abrasives - it was about $90. I have been using it for a good few years now and have been very impressed! After this video had been released about 6 months, Darius from Baltic Abrasives saw it and reached out to me. He offered viewers a 5% discount! All you need to do is mention Flowering Elbow in correspondence, or use the code ‘Floweringelbow’ at checkout. Sounds good to me! They do worldwide delivery and you can find their CBN wheels here lapidarywheels.com/53-chainsa...
In general, I use a standard .404 Still rapid super (RS) 30° crosscut chain (US ebay- ebay.us/qJ1N9B , UK link - ebay.us/QdcmJj ) and slowly grind it to a lower angle, like 10°, over consecutive sharpenings.
I always keep at least one chain at 30° for cross cutting very big logs and making cookies.
Please stay safe friends - it is not be a good idea to use a low top plate angle rip chain with low depth gauges for freehand cross cutting - it will behave unpredictably and kickback will be more severe if you hit something on that part of your chain/bar.
Note, I have no connection with any of the companies in this vid - I bought the tools myself as a regular customer. This video description though contains affiliate links, which means that if you click on one of the e-bay links, and then buy, I’ll receive a small commission at no cost to you. This helps support the channel and allows me to continue to make videos like this. Thank you for the support!

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@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Hey friend, thanks for watching. If you are interested in chainsaw milling, check out our new book on the subject "How to make a chainsaw mill and how to use it". It's got a lot of great information and you can earn our undying gratitude by getting it here :D ko-fi.com/s/dd5b46e8a8
@TheArchBodom
@TheArchBodom 10 месяцев назад
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ru-vid.comUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
@kademan13
@kademan13 Месяц назад
I sharpen chains like this in a cedar shingle saw mill. I was not trained on how to do it so I appreciate this video. Thanks.
@kevinbushLTR
@kevinbushLTR 4 года назад
Probably the most informative video on you tube that I've seen so far, , on chainsaw teeth cutters and the variabilty of angles to suit the job.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Thanks Kevin, 'preciate that :D
@whirled_peas
@whirled_peas 5 лет назад
Nice tip on the CBN wheels for those grinders, cheers.
@wacky7945
@wacky7945 5 лет назад
Great video, love all your videos on milling, keep them coming need to learn as well as getting out there milling more myself. Thanks for the info on chain sharpening, will look into a purchase for a machined grinder! Thanks
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Friend. Thank you so much for watching, you and your comments keep me motivated to make videos and I really hope you find something useful in them. Question: I keep hearing tantalising roomers of people using carbide tipped chainsaw chains for milling?? They are much more expensive than regular chains, but is it worth it?? Has anyone tried it, and if so with what results? Thanks again for watching friend, see you in the next one :)
@MatejKesan
@MatejKesan 4 года назад
Hi ! Yes I was also wondering about that and I think I will buy at least one ripping chain and one cross-cut for cookies that has carbide teeth, since a lot of times the wood can be "polluted" with metal or even dirt. I have a Lo Pro 48" GB bar on my MS661 and stihl chains for that are a bit cheaper than the bigger one.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
@@MatejKesan Thanks for the info. Let me know how it goes :)
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Hey @@MatejKesan. Did you try the carbide chains by chance?
@arthurad2007
@arthurad2007 4 года назад
Just the info I was looking for. Awesome video!!! Thank you.
@RandallLakedogpix
@RandallLakedogpix 5 лет назад
Thanks again. About to tackle a Big redwood project and can use all the help I can get. Love your tips, attitude, and style. 🌲
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 5 лет назад
Thanks Randall. Good luck with the redwood, let me know how it goes.
@timmychonga4901
@timmychonga4901 3 года назад
Thanks a million, really appreciate you taking the time. learned more in your video than in 10 others. My chain cut like new.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Great to hear Timmy. Thank you for taking the time to comment 🙏
@Oldwhiteguy
@Oldwhiteguy 5 лет назад
Thanks dude, I’ve learned lots watching you. Number one is ya gotta love wood!
@aspincelaframboise5300
@aspincelaframboise5300 4 года назад
Aye, nice comment eh... Üö
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Really heartening to hear that friend :D thanks for the encouragement.
@TheOlsonOutfit
@TheOlsonOutfit 4 года назад
Thanks for the great video. It is the most informative video I've found regarding the behavior of the chain while ripping figured wood.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Leif52pickup, thanks for the encouragement friend.
@konkret7
@konkret7 3 года назад
You are a gift to the cyberverse. I don’t think you said one sentence that didn’t have pure gold experiential wisdom in it. Thank you. I have to go now to implement all the ideas you shared. I’ll be back in a month.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Hey Tim! Thanks for this :D Good luck. Let me know how you go.
@Dan-in-the-Wild
@Dan-in-the-Wild 9 месяцев назад
There's really useful observations and corrections in there. Helpful tips and ways you make things roll smoothly. Great video, thank you for sharing.
@williamlewis8741
@williamlewis8741 3 года назад
quite useful video. simple blown away by your expertise and knowledge thanks
@andrewhelmer7710
@andrewhelmer7710 3 года назад
Very useful video. I have the same cheap grinder and experienced exactly the same problems you have highlighted so glad to hear your solutions many thanks for posting it.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Thanks Andrew, good to hear 😀
@marcosmota1094
@marcosmota1094 2 года назад
Dude, I clicked because of the smile and because you look so happy. Oh, I also need to sharpen a saw.
@JM-jd7yp
@JM-jd7yp Год назад
What a great explanation. You definitely have a great talent for teaching and I learned an awful lot, thank you.
@kolroot1281
@kolroot1281 4 года назад
очень сложную работу по заточке ножей Вы делаете и это реально круто. Поменять угол я даже не задумался.... RESPECT!
@HondoTrailside
@HondoTrailside Год назад
I have been doing this stuff for around 40 years, and take a much more casual approach to it. The pay back from CM is so fast, that in a few outings one can have more wood than one will ever get through. The reason rip saws are filed differently was to reduce the power required to make a cut, or to increase the cutting power of a given saw. Same geometry and reasoning as with hand saws where the difference is immediately evident. With an 090, I mostly don't encounter power problems in the 16-24 inch trees I mill. You are correct to point out that CS saw geometry has some peculiarities, and a lot of cuts are mixed grain directions. Everything I knew came of Maloff's book, which I purchased when it came out, so it is great to hear some modern ideas. Thank you.
@lkallas
@lkallas 3 года назад
Instead of removing (cutting off) the damaged teeth I would just replace them with a new one and grind them to match others. Takes less time and your chain will not be missing any cutters.
@keithbrennan7429
@keithbrennan7429 3 года назад
Thanks. A clear, detailed breakdown of sharpening. Especially appreciated the breakdown on when and when not to use a ripping chain. I'm milling ash, spruce, willow and poplar in Ireland. The landscapes in your videos and on my farms could be twins. You have better weather though. Thanks for the tips, and loving your videos and down to earth but knolwedgeable style.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Hey Keith. Thanks so much for the encouraging feedback :) I suspect the weather is quite similar, just I don't do a lot of filming in the wet ;) Maybe one day post lockdowns etc. we'll visit Ireland again. Wanted to do a cycling tour with my wife Sam one day... Peace, Bongo.
@CJM17627
@CJM17627 4 года назад
Thank you so much… You educated me on skip chain as well because I have a couple change just like you described you gave me another option for those chains
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good evening Chuck, really pleased you found some use in it. Hope you can modify those old chains. Thanks for the encouragement:D
@guyh.4553
@guyh.4553 2 года назад
Very useful!!! You actually gave a great description of everything. I am getting into chainsaw milling and your video really helps!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Hey Guy, great to hear 👍 😀
@Monkeysic
@Monkeysic 2 года назад
Well I think this is one of the best videos explaining ripping chains.i just built a slab mill and have been told use nothing but ripping chains. I have a bandmill have used chainsaws for over 30 years but never once had any experience with a ripping chain I feel you explained this perfectly and gave me some good knowledge to get started in the world of large slabs my bar mill is 84" !! Thank you!!!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Hey Thomas, really good to hear, thanks 😊
@markatkinson9963
@markatkinson9963 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing. Looks like a ton of work.
@dennisshea7328
@dennisshea7328 4 года назад
watched your sharpening video - loved it. I'm 70 now and have logged since 1960. Always knew sharpening saw technical but you reinforced what I knew to be important.Now the eyes are not so good and it is harder to see what I'm doing. Now I want to saw lumber and have the use of a LT40 but want to slab with my chain saw to save on blades. You have made that a lot easier with that video. thanks again.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good morning Dennis. Thank you for your encouragement, means a lot to me. I'm surprized you wouldn't rather use the bandmill than the chainsaw? Do you have use of a blade sharpener for the bandsaw? Thanks again, Bongo.
@jimmystairs1
@jimmystairs1 2 месяца назад
Amazing tutorial !!! Love it man!
@GuysGuitarGarage
@GuysGuitarGarage 3 года назад
Excellent explanation. Love all the fine details and it was obviously shot very well
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Good morning GoneForever. I really appreciate that, and glad you like the details :)
@jdarrellsteele3264
@jdarrellsteele3264 8 месяцев назад
just bought one of the cbn wheels with your promo code. Thanks for all of the great milling videos! keep them coming please!
@shawnfreeoftyranny8849
@shawnfreeoftyranny8849 2 года назад
Nice to see somebody who knows how to use the electric sharpener. Seem a few that don't know you cannot just run it in, in one shot. It burns and case hardens the tooth. Nice and slow with a few bring downs on each tooth. used them to make 4-8 chains a night for years to do high production firewood. Burrs were no problem at all and I haven't found anyone on utube that could cut as fast as I did on a daily basis.
@jamestherealsirfishalotbuc9253
@jamestherealsirfishalotbuc9253 4 года назад
Oh my, the things I'm learning on RU-vid... My brain needs more information... Lol.... Awesome video... The video ended with me knowing more... Thank you for your time showing your wisdom gained from experience...
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Sir Fish a Lot, thank you so much for watching ans your encouragement. It means a lot to me, and I'm super pleased if you learned something from my blunderings too! :D
@scottmilam8187
@scottmilam8187 Год назад
Great video! It was informative and concise. I really like how easily the information was explained and documented.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow Год назад
Thanks Scott. Appreciate that D
@dannydanny4755
@dannydanny4755 4 года назад
Best video on sharpening chain saw chains
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hey thanks Danny, 'preciate that :D
@EddieEducation
@EddieEducation 25 дней назад
Really helpful video, thank you!
@nate2838
@nate2838 4 года назад
Thank you for this video. While i don't do any milling, i have noticed that my hand filing is more forgiving of inconsistency than my bosses filing. Now i know why. I tend to file the top plate steeper than stock allowing the side plate to cut as well, it just mad sense to me that if all angles of the chain can cut you would have less resistance in the cut, also my chains tend to be better at cleaning out and adjusting notches because the chain doesn't skip away from the wood when contacting at an angle, the corners bite easier.
@ejsocci2630
@ejsocci2630 Год назад
Awesome tips
@nateg6152
@nateg6152 2 года назад
Thanks for this vid, really enjoyed it and found it incredibly helpful and educational
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Appreciate that Nate, thanks :D
@jstodgel
@jstodgel 11 месяцев назад
Love ❤️ this is great. I have a cheap sharpener and I just tried using a dull chain to cut some old and dirty elm and it's not working! Time to sharpen my chains! Cheers from NEW MEXICO!
@dinclann
@dinclann 4 года назад
Thank you for your time to create this video. Super nice video
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Thanks for watching Mechanicpower :D Seeing as your a mechanic - check out my latest video - I'd love your feedback on my novice attempts...
@simonmaclean1583
@simonmaclean1583 4 года назад
Great vid and camera work mate, thanks for some good commentary. Great singlet too.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good morning Simon, thank you for the positive feedback, I appreciate that. I must admit, I was a tad confused about what a 'singlet' was - I had to google it. The multi coloured stripey one was a fave, but is a bit too warn out to carry on with now...
@Ithzzz
@Ithzzz 4 года назад
I work for a small trefalling company in norway and we started sharpening our own chains last summer and I was tasked with doing it. We got a oregon bench grinder that was actually quite expensive and it had some terrible instructions so we have not used it that much but I think after watching this im really looking forward to giving it another shot. Great video!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Ithz, thats really heartening to hear. Best of luck with it, let us know how it goes.
@thereallevel27
@thereallevel27 3 года назад
I run a small business called Really Sharp and just bought the same very expressive grinder. I agree, the instructions are terrible.
@lovestihlquality1369
@lovestihlquality1369 3 года назад
Great video. I started w same clone but then down graded for rakers. I long bolt my grinders 2x6 on top through 4x
@soil-aint-dirt4903
@soil-aint-dirt4903 Год назад
Well done and thank you!
@stihlnz
@stihlnz 4 года назад
Excellent advice and guidance, especially the CBN grinding wheel. Many thanks for your mentorship on this topic which as we all know is one of the hardest things to get right. Even after 35 years of chainsaw sharpening there are plenty of things to learn. Good luck to you.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good morning Tom, thank you for this, great to hear. You are so right, I certainly have plenty still to learn and refinements to make with this.. I really want to try a grinder with higher build quality - just so I can compare and see if the are worth the extra. Peace, Bongo,
@stihlnz
@stihlnz 4 года назад
Quite right FE. I've got a real shakey 3rd rate model which I don't use much unless I, as you did put my 880 or other chain through some nails. I've just purchased an Oregon professional 410-230 and will get your CBN disc and a vernier caliper and get some of the old chains out. Thanks for the inspiration.
@JamminClemmons
@JamminClemmons Год назад
@@stihlnz please HELP---- SATAN, he forever chases my at night!
@tyroneclarke1666
@tyroneclarke1666 4 года назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Very well explained mate. Quality video recording too. Cheers🇦🇺
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good morning Tyrone. Thanks so much friend, your encouragement means a lot to me :D
@tweakerkid
@tweakerkid Год назад
great video man, thanks
@jacplacek
@jacplacek 3 года назад
Excellent video. Very informative!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Thanks Jacek 😊.
@j.r.1223
@j.r.1223 4 года назад
Very good. Thanks for sharing that. That was great information!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
My pleasure! JR. Happy sawing :)
@graftedbranch4480
@graftedbranch4480 3 года назад
lots of good tips there thanks
@ScottClevelandmi
@ScottClevelandmi 2 года назад
I use a Dremel tool with Oregon sharpening stones. Oregon has a dedicated system however Dremel has a fantastic guide that comes with some terrible stones. It makes sharpening a chain a quick and easy thing once you understand what’s going on. I’ve taught many people how to get a decent edge on a chain. You my friend have made me look like an absolute amateur! When it comes to sharpening chains I feel like I haven’t even been born yet.!😝. I appreciate this video in the precision you applied with that grinder. When I used to take chainsaws to a shop to have the chains sharpened they would buzz through them so fast and not even adjust the rakers. For a long time I thought those machines were junk now I just see most people don’t know what they’re doing. Thank you
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Appreciate that Scott, thanks 😊
@williamhanna5224
@williamhanna5224 Год назад
Awesome video !
@johnwayne318
@johnwayne318 5 лет назад
Excellent video!!! Great
@gordonturner8544
@gordonturner8544 4 года назад
great video, very interesting. Just started out milling with Alaskan and Stihl 441. agree sharpen in the shop. thanks
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hey Gordon. Thanks for getting in touch. Good luck milling, hopefully some of my other milling vids will be of use. Thanks again, Bongo.
@moisesalmeida7372
@moisesalmeida7372 3 года назад
BEAUTIFUL JOB. CONGRATULATIONS! ( I am from Brazi)
@djsantiago3904
@djsantiago3904 4 года назад
The sideways problem you speak of is rarely the angle or length of the tooth. Although they are important, there are 2 main reasons for “sideways” or banana cuts. First is the gullet (bottom section of the tooth) quite often gets ignored which will cause each tooth to cut at different depths. Removing the gullet evenly keeps a nice C shaped tooth for an evenly pulling cut & that nice chunky looking sawdust. But just as important is raker depth. Uneven rakers will pull your cut sideways no matter what type or how sharp your chain is. Also causes saw to chatter, giving your cut the rippled look. A dull chain with correct raker depth will cut better than a sharp chain with uneven rakers
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good afternoon D J Santlago. Thanks for the comment friend, and sorry for the late reply. This is really nice info you share here, and I'm sure others will find it useful, thank you. My experience has been a bit different, but the things you mention sure are important! Peace, Bongo.
@nigelsansom2407
@nigelsansom2407 5 лет назад
Excellent as usual. Thank you so much for sharing these sharpening tips. I have one of those small Granberg 12v sharpening systems I can use in the field, which I think is kind of ok. It uses a long round stone which fits the main unit like a dremmel bit. What I like about it is the consistency it offers. However, I have to do rakers separately... Anyway, keep it up. I really enjoy your vids. Cheers, Nigel
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 5 лет назад
Thanks Nigel. Means a lot :)
@DEtchells
@DEtchells 2 года назад
Great, detailed explanation! I bought a Granville saw attachment years back but never used it. Now I have a couple of stacks of beautiful red oak that we had to cut for the sake of the safety of our house in windstorms. (A huge 120’ oak blew down a couple of years back and took out our back deck, narrowly missing our house, so we’re a little leery of having trees so close to our noise now.) I was going to try putting a really long bar on my little Stihl 291 and just go really slow, but after seeing one of your other vids where you talked about rebuilding an engine 3x, I guess I’m gonna have to find the budget for a much bigger saw :-/ I don’t really have the $1,000+ for a big saw, but there’s a load of potential lumber and beams there; maybe I can convince my wife that I’ll be able to recoup the cost of the saw and accessories by selling the wood… (Unfortunately, she knows me too well, and there’s a higher probability of our boys inheriting a couple thousand board feet of lumber whenever we finally kick the bucket :-/)
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Haha, Hi Dave. Well, if it's oak it would be worth a penny or two. But yeah, unless you or your boys are into woodworking or diy stuff, you could probably get a bit selling the log to a sawmill. If you do have a woodworking bent though, it's a way to get some prime and unique slabs that would be very hard to get otherwise... Good luck with it all, and thanks for getting in touch.
@travisniebel7559
@travisniebel7559 3 года назад
very good , good information about angle
@srugyss1990
@srugyss1990 Год назад
Nice, alot i learn from you my frend thank you
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow Год назад
Good morning Tylenis. Great to heat! Thanks for watching.
@donmag4432
@donmag4432 3 года назад
Thank you learnt a lot!! Will add to my knowledge database brain:D
@capnmatt41
@capnmatt41 4 года назад
Love the way you do the rakers, and that CBN wheel !! Thanks for putting out this material. 👍
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good day Matthew, more than welcome :D Thanks for the comment and encouragement.
@socal33
@socal33 Год назад
As a new subscriber, I can see that I have a steep hill ahead for my new chainsaw mill. Today I cut my first log, freehand, with my 40cc Echo CS-400 chainsaw, just to see if I could. It took about 1/2 an hour, but I had my first 2”x16”x 8’ slab when I was done. The wood was a very hard poplar tulip, cut down a year ago, very dry. Today I ordered my first chainsaw mill. I was afraid that 40cc and an 18” bar wasn’t enough, but I hope not. Most of the boards I want to cut are going to be 6”-8”. I also started sharpening my chain on a relatively cheap Harbor Freight chain sharpener which I spend a great deal of time making sure it is consistent. Your advice on chainsaw mill chain types was very helpful. I may stick with my 30 degree for now. Your advice and tips are a big part of my journey. I like your editing and narration too. Thank you.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow Год назад
Welcome friend. Thanks so much for the encouragement. It means a lot. Good luck with the new mill!
@scorpnz4433
@scorpnz4433 2 года назад
Mount a piece of 2x4 or even angle iron or whatever to the bolt holes on the grinder base. You can then mount grinder in a vice. The chain will be easy to slide as you grind as it sits in between the space between the jaws of the vice, or it will hang either side of the vice. This allows easy access to the degree adjustment knob at rear. Carbide chains for pieces of known wood with metal embedded. Carbide chains are also good for pretending your in a virtual video game & rampage through the local town cutting cars up, whether people are in them or not. Sorry lockdown has made me go stir crazy
@Lonchpad1
@Lonchpad1 10 месяцев назад
Quite good! Thank you,
@Carraroebouncingcastles
@Carraroebouncingcastles 3 года назад
GREAT VIDEO VERY EDUCATIONAL
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Hey Carraroe Bouncing Castles. Thanks for the encouragement :D
@paoemantega8793
@paoemantega8793 Год назад
V thorough thank you :)
@TELOYSTV
@TELOYSTV 2 года назад
Greetings from Philippines 🇵🇭.. Nice work brother ❤️👍👍
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Thanks :D
@stephendudley4377
@stephendudley4377 11 месяцев назад
It does sound like you know quite a bit about power saws and sharpening, but check out a RU-vidr called bucking Billy Ray of you've a mind to, he's extremely knowledgeable about all things felling and power sawing. Hands down the best man with a saw I've seen, he has quite a few sharpening videos, even does some hand filed square grinds that cut like a knife through butter. Although I must admit you did teach me something of how and why to grind differently for milling which I'm seriously looking into taking up, I just found your content today, I'm highly impressed and extremely thankful for your quality content and in depth explanations, despite my original hesitancy due to the bri'ish thing... Just kidding, I appreciate you and your hard work, truly, thank you good sir.
@stndupforusa8964
@stndupforusa8964 4 года назад
Nice video..very informative.. thanku for doing it.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Mark, Thanks for the encouragement friend :D
@allansmith6140
@allansmith6140 2 года назад
Years ago when I was working in the industry it was also my job to maintain the saws and sharpen chains and whatnot. As I had quite a few chains to do on the weekends. I would not have been able to do them all by hand in a reasonable time, not to mention the amount of elbow grease involved. So I only used a grinder to do the job. These days I have five chainsaws and I occasionally use them to do smaller jobs for friends free of charge as I love using chainsaws. Even though I have a grinder I do not use it as it is wasteful on the chain compared to using a file, no matter how careful you are and that can get rather time consuming. Back in the day I removed enough material to get the chains sharp but not to the point of being anal about it insofar as saving the most amount of the tooth.If you are like me and not working in a professional capacity where you sharpen lots and lots of chains, just use a file. It is still cheaper to buy files than prematurely be replacing chains.
@sebastienloyer9471
@sebastienloyer9471 3 года назад
Well done
@Pch100
@Pch100 4 года назад
Thank you for the tips
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
No problem Peter, thanks for leaving a comment :D
@rancelynch6514
@rancelynch6514 4 года назад
Very well presented and easily followed. I have been able to gain further understanding of different types of chains as well as techniques to help me to sharpen my chains. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with others.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hey thanks friend, means a lot :)
@davelahoud1256
@davelahoud1256 2 года назад
Thanks for all the tips. You've got a sub from me
@penztoy
@penztoy 5 лет назад
you sir, and a damn saw chain rocket scientist! I am impressed that I've found someone who shares my thoughts on precision sharpening. Excellent video, awesome presentation and your available wood selection is incredible. Out here we have white oak, ponderosa pine, black oak and some limited access to pacific coast redwood, and sugar pine. Your tips on a more aggressive angle and using less skip teeth have improved my production quality and for that I thank you. Keep up the good work.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 5 лет назад
Really appreciate that Dennis, thanks :) Sounds like you have some nice woods to play with, was trying to narrow down your location by what trees you have, but failing, where you based? I guess you want to use quite a different grind for oak to the pine?
@penztoy
@penztoy 5 лет назад
@@FloweringElbow my location is the foothills in northern California usa. Within a 3 hr drive I have access to the coastal redwoods and in the opposite direction the high Sierra mountain range with elevations up to 9,000' which yield high elevation conifers. Yes, I even use a different angle on my chains depending on whether I'm cutting the pines or the local hardwood.
@TheGdcb
@TheGdcb 4 года назад
Great tips. I'm not a miller but would like to give it a try.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hey Carl.Good luck if you give it a go. Let us know how it goes. The other vids on CS milling here may help: ru-vid.com/group/PL95ElZTgRGGt9_ST0yXkRq1Qbub57UUa0 Any questions just ask. Bongo.
@hiscifi2986
@hiscifi2986 3 года назад
I use the same grinding machine, but have dressed the stone into a square edge. This produces a square ground chain, that seems to be quicker for sawing timber. I am still adjusting the back-tilt angle, will get it even better soon...
@phaitoon8183
@phaitoon8183 3 года назад
Great video,Thank you.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
Thank you too Phaitoon!
@shawnkellett3003
@shawnkellett3003 2 года назад
hi great video, i do the same thing but have a drip tool coolant line that runs off a aquarium pump . chain stays much cooler, a little messier process though.
@johnschuster9192
@johnschuster9192 4 года назад
Very good video! Thanks
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good day John. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment :D
@stevewhitman8529
@stevewhitman8529 3 года назад
Nothing can beat a round file for perfect tooth profile.
@dcvariousvids8082
@dcvariousvids8082 Год назад
I don’t do much milling and am often cutting dirty or old gnarly wood. I tend to file sharpen and often in the field. I alway have a spare sharp chain but only resort to using it, if I’ve really mash the first one and it would take forever to file sharpen it. I’ll wait till I’ve go 3-4 mashed chains, before the grinder comes out and then they all get done at the same time.
@kkmQuyenLe
@kkmQuyenLe 4 года назад
Amazing content
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Thanks kkdm! :D
@birdhunter2754
@birdhunter2754 4 года назад
Took you some time playing around with diffrent settings. Me to. Make a chain so. Wild stall tje saw out. Try a thinner grinding wheel on 3/8. Chain at your 15 deg. With a 10 deg set back. Check rakers. To.
@MarkVender
@MarkVender 8 месяцев назад
I have the same sharpener. On the chain rest, remove one of the two washers on each side and turn the outside guide around. It will hold the chain much better and the clamp cam will work.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing
@maxwebster7572
@maxwebster7572 4 года назад
Thanks!
@lawrencereed8106
@lawrencereed8106 4 года назад
very good job
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Cheers Lawrence, appreciate that :)
@berkahsengon7922
@berkahsengon7922 3 года назад
wow,,,amazing
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 3 года назад
😊
@bunyipdan
@bunyipdan 5 лет назад
Thanks, that was a really well constructed and delivered guide, don't you just love discovering little treasures, in urban timber recovery you always encounter this. My favorites are star pickets and rail spikes, a cheap metal detector off ebay can help. I have noticed that you don't de-bark much.....with the timbers I have milled (Australian) this can have a huge effect on chain sharpness, that and termites.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 5 лет назад
Hey Bunyip, agree about the little 'treasures'! Normally I blame my dad or the farmers round these parts for using the trees as fence posts, but this time I don't even have anyone to blame but myself :D I may have to invest in a metal detector... do they really work to much depth though? Sometimes I de-bark, depends on the species and how dirty I think the log is. If it has been rolled about in the mud then I will usually de-bark. Often I am using the bark on the slabs for finished furniture (I have noticed it adheres really well to Ash if it is dried without any rain or strong sunlight getting on it).
@bunyipdan
@bunyipdan 5 лет назад
@@FloweringElbow In my experience chainsaws appear to be the best way to find metal treasures in trees, but as for metal detectors I have only used friends detectors who used them for prospecting (garret?) It was able to identify 4" nails about 3" under the bark, not sure about anything deeper, guess you get what you pay for. I think there are a lot of variables, but I would be more keen to Id some of the star pickets and rail spikes I have had the pleasure to uncover, they are real killers.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 5 лет назад
@@bunyipdan haha yes the chainsaw is the best detector!
@Raul28153
@Raul28153 Год назад
The Cheapest metal detectors tend to be the Best for your application. Good ones can be tuned to pass over small metal bits but for milling, you want the most sensitive and cheap ones tend to be the most sensitive. I got one of those grinding machines. I hate it. The castings flex it's easy to burn the metal and the stinking chain positioning lock is inconsistent. I was designing a heavier machine, but after watching Bucking Billy Ray Smith freehand filing I gave it a try and It was so easy so fast and so good. I won't ever go back. I'll keep the machine and diamond wheels for my carbide chains.
@miladne1092
@miladne1092 4 года назад
Long time awaited video, very nice too. I guess I am a one chain guy, I sharpen it by hand whilst on the guide bar, and it seems to last me forever. The teeth became extra hard for some reason, but fully functional. Always like your videos.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Milad. Thank you for the comment and watching friend. Not sure why they would become so hard? Does the file still cut? The files do wear out after a bit, maybe that is what makes it seem hard?
@miladne1092
@miladne1092 4 года назад
@@FloweringElbow dear friend, I change the file every year or so, and I use the chain saw to cut fire wood for the house use, I have been using it for the last 15 years and it's even chinese made. And thank you for reciprocating, I wish I was your neighbor ;-)
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
@@miladne1092 Lol. Sound like you have a runner on your hands, and obviously care for it nicely. Happy firewood sawing!
@leighrawnsley2266
@leighrawnsley2266 4 года назад
great video - thanks for sharing. i've got 27 tonnes of logs to mill, stack and dry and then re-roof my old croft house & outbuildings at the top of the UK in Caithness
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good stuff! Good luck and let me know how it goes Leigh. Thank you for getting in touch :D
@leighrawnsley2266
@leighrawnsley2266 4 года назад
@@FloweringElbow hi again, i'm just reading an old book called Chainsaw Lumbermaking by Will Malloff (1982). have you read it? the guy made a living being in the middle of nowhere making lumber with an alaskan mill. First tip that caught my interest was that coating a grinder disk with parafin wax supposedly stops the chain swarf embedding in the cheaper sharpening disks. have you heard of that before? - cheers leigh.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
@@leighrawnsley2266 Hi again. I have skimmed the book a few years back. Ok maybe more like 8... Some good info in there. If I remember rightly there were photos of the old boy milling with zero ppe and smoking a pipe at the same time! Made me chuckle. I don't remember that tip, no. If you try it do report back. Interested to know if it works...
@leighrawnsley2266
@leighrawnsley2266 4 года назад
@@FloweringElbow hi, yes that's the right book and he talks of attaching pulleys and putting weight on the mill so he just stands at one end. i havent read it all yet, but i did try adding a candle to the spinning disk and rightly enough if at the right angle, the waxed peels off the disc pulling all the dirty swarf out as it changed from candle white to grey and disc colour until there's no more coming off it. who'd have thought it. he does say that cleaning the disc in parafin works too. he advises using the candle method several times during 1 chain sharpen and i was quite amazed at it.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
@@leighrawnsley2266 That's really good to know. Thanks for the sharing! Interesting the weights and pulley idea... I can imagine it kinda working on very straight logs, it's normally all wiggly oak and the like that I'm playing with...
@hubertusthelen8299
@hubertusthelen8299 Год назад
Due to I use a very cheep grinder I have no chance to ajust the angle for the cutting angle. So the sulution was to unscrew one side of the guides and add a piece of sheet metal. The track now is highter on the right than on the left side. The angle increased up to 50 -60 degrees. Now the chain bites much better. Save fuel and time.
@kurtsimmons1587
@kurtsimmons1587 4 года назад
I just started following you! I liked the one where you cut your own posts and installed them. This is a great video also! I was curious where you are from? I’m from Alliance Ohio in America. It was great that your video came across!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Hi Kurt. Based in Wales, UK here. Thanks for watching :D
@Jack_C_
@Jack_C_ 4 года назад
Thanks heaps for the video. While I don't do milling I can still apply these same techniques to crosscut sharpening. One thing I have noticed on my cheap sharpener (similar to yours) is that when I rotate to cut the opposite side cutters the tooth length is slightly different. I measure the tooth length with verniers and then adjust accordingly to try and get them all consistent. Not sure if it helps a lot but as you reinforced in your video I believe consistency is the key to a well behaved chainsaw. :)
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Jack! Dude! Thanks so much for your comment. Nice work adjusting to get consistent left and right cutters. And certainly a good call to measure them! Thanks for sharing this. Peace, Bongo.
@juandrelangeveld837
@juandrelangeveld837 4 года назад
Nys
@firewoodwarrior4396
@firewoodwarrior4396 3 года назад
You need to center your vice to get even lenght on both sides.
@Jack_C_
@Jack_C_ 3 года назад
@@firewoodwarrior4396 That would work if I had some way of adjusting the vice position, but my sharpener doesn't. Another option would be to use a progressive depth gauge.
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA 20 дней назад
trick for you - get a large plate magnet and put it in the spark path. While using a CBN wheel it is all metal particle debris and will be caught by the magnet. get one that will cover the majority of the palm of your hand.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 20 дней назад
Nice tip, thank you!
@MegaDirtyberty
@MegaDirtyberty 2 года назад
I have one of those cheap grinders like yours, I mounted it on a big piece of steel angle plate so I could clamp it in the vice, the top pivot had a lot of slop in it so I machined some bushes and pressed them in and greased them, that took care of the pivot slop, the cam lock had a lot of slop so I bored out the hole in the cam to a larger size, remade the pin to suit and fitted thinner washers for the guide rails to bring them closer together. Doing those two things have improved it substantially, I made a bush for the head adjusting pivot as there was too much slop in that. I found the pink grinding wheels wobble so will upgrade to a CBN wheel as funds allow. With those modifications the machine is much better to use now.
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 2 года назад
Good work my friend! :)
@CarlMadsen
@CarlMadsen 4 года назад
I swap out the grinding wheel to a wide, flat surface wheel for the rakers. I like your comment on rounding the front edge with a hand file, and I'm going to research CBN wheels. Thank you!
@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow 4 года назад
Good day Carl, thanks for the tip, I agree that a flat wide wheel could be nice for the rakers. Let me know what you find re. the CBN wheels - it has worked well for me. The reduction in dust alone makes it worth it ;) Peace, Bongo.
@marianatequiero28
@marianatequiero28 4 года назад
Ya old timer logger flattened my rakers useing a wheel grinder ,wow was i sharpening my chain wrong
@shorty808100
@shorty808100 2 года назад
They make a gauge for filing your rakers so you don’t get them too short which can cause kickbacks, if I were you I would get a gauge that way it’s like brand new and you don’t have to worry about the chain trying to cut way too aggressively causing kickbacks
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