How To Sing LOWER (Add Notes to Your Lower Chest Resonance) 

I'm trying to break past my B0 floor, I can do it with chest voice since I'm a contrabass buuut...it's not exactly strong.

@@xfrostyresonance8614 You can do it. Get that A0 and keep going. I'd love to hear your B0, especially if you've got some meat on it. It's hard to find actual basses and I love hearing every one I can. Out of curiousity, do you ever use your upper register and is there any way we could chat about it? I'm getting so tired of people with more common voices telling me that voice registers aren't a real thing and that I must just need the right kind of practice to magically acquire a baritone's vocal break placement or something. I'd just like to chat with literally anyone else who gets the struggle of not having any "radio/karaoke music" written for their voice.

@@ExcessDenied0 Chest B0 sounds absurd. I figure basses are an octave below tenors so you'd figure they'd bottom about F1 or scrape a bit lower. I can scrape to about C#2 but you dont want to hear below D#2. I figure anyone with zero octave notes has heavy growl involved.

​@@xfrostyresonance8614 I'd love to hear some of those low chest notes recordings 😊 Are you in the BSN ?

In my personal experience, letting notes get a little more "breathy" around 2-4 semitones above your floor while descending and allowing your head to slightly slump toward your chest can be helpful in reaching that extra semitone below

😂

What the fuck lol I'm 15 and can only get a B1 😂

You're so welcome!

Where can I read or watch some more info on what exactly breaking the pitch means for music?

@@sinekonata i'm afraid i can't help you with that but since you're on youtube already, you might as well look it up here. Otherwise, the rest of the internet is pretty vast

@@chrisschmeitz1139 I mean you used the term "breaking the pitch", did you learn that term somewhere or did you come up with it out of instinctive knowledge?

@@sinekonata i have learned music theory but i haven't learned the term anywhere, i'll watch the video to see what i meant because i don't know anymore Edit: actually, i think i just meant singing without losing the note, sustaining it properly Edit: yeah, in the video he says he uses the fry while just not breaking the pitch, i was right in the previous edit. Hope it helps

Not necessarily. You can also use a chest-fry mix, without using subharmonics.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks for sharing!!

Seconding this, David Larson is a cool and helpful dude. I can get down to A0 now, personally. (My voice is already naturally placed low to start though.) You ever see some of the stuff beatboxers can do with subharmonics? It's awesome.

@@ExcessDenied0 hey I am trying to learn singing lower. Iv seen David Larson's vids but can't really achieve subharmonics and other stuff. Where can I find good training and understanding? Please help.

@@bernardfernandes3537 That's a good question... I'm not aware of any teachers who would teach subharmonics, and I taught myself mostly through experimentation. You might have luck with someone who teaches screaming, as the techniques can be very similar. Honestly though, try using a vocal fry, get it really even/consistent, then gradually apply just a little bit of vocal compression until it starts to turn into a note. The trick with subharmonics is that they aren't actually as low as they sound. It'll feel like you're singing the same note, but 1-2 octaves higher than what you're hearing. You can also try choosing a comfortable note to sing on, then adding fry to it and supporting it with just a little compression. The air flow has to be just right, or it'll break. Subharmonics are fragile, so breath control is really important to get a good handle on. Don't try to overly darken your tone when you're just starting to learn, and don't worry about how low the note is, just try to get the right sound. If it starts to feel uncomfortable, stop for a few hours and try again later.

@@ExcessDenied0 thanks alot. That's very detailed bruh. I'll work on it.🤘🏻

@@bernardfernandes3537 Good luck, man!

how low did you get by chance

@@muslimmetalman My lowest note started as an A3 and I'm almost down to E3 now

​@@s.kanessuperbiatv6464shit and I though my voice is extremely high (speaking voice around D2-F2) 😭

@@ondrejlukas326 my speaking voice is pretty bright too so it's easier to reach higher notes, but it's hard for me to darken to go lower

​@@ondrejlukas326D2 to F2 is definitely low

He's still on my list for sure ;)

If you want to sing like him to cover it can be done one song at a time with practice but if you are wanting to sing to your own music with his voice your gonna need the right band to to give you that land to get lost in...cuz without his type of melodies it's not gonna work...good luck to ya...learn from others..be yourself

Twang

I'm glad you're resonating with what I'm doing! (See what I did there?)

@@chrisliepe Regarding your pun, I think I got the chest of it. (I'll see myself out now)

I wish I could do that but I'm a damn baritone (no Geoff is a bass idc what he says 😂. Dude has a lower voice than I can even reach total)

@@AnymMusic I'm a dumb tenor

@@AnymMusic Tim and Geoff are bass baritones, Avi Kaplan is definitely a basso cantante, Mikhail of course basso profondo

@@AnymMusic Geoff is definitely a low baritone, I promise. He's just really specialized his voice for the stuff he wants it to do, and that's pretty awesome imho.

Basically go incrementally lower and lower till your absolute limit

Oktavists are the most insane basso profundos the eastern orthodox church could find. They're doing all this stuff with their voices. People use subharmonics to try and sing like oktavists.

comically_large_chungus many oktavists use techniques such as strohbass or VVM to achieve the insane lows the term oktavist as defined by oktavist.com is basses who can sing down to a Bb1 in a choral setting, however a friend of mine had the pleasure of speaking to the man who is in charge of the website and he asked if oktavist was a voice type or a role and the answer came back as it being a role, another friend of mine (Alexander mayang on RU-vid if you wanna check out his channel) has interviewed a decent handful of oktavists and profundos and he asked some of them if using a different method other than modal voice was legitimate, the answer from people like Glenn Miller and Vladimir Miller came back as yes, Joel frederickson said that even he will sometimes use strohbass for some of his lowest notes, you are for sure right that many try to imitate them with subharmonics, I should have been more clear in what I said, I can only think of one oktavist who uses subharmonics, his name is Pavel myhakotin

@@isaiahgilliam1 strohbass is essentially a chest fry mix. Idk what VVM is tho.

comically_large_chungus strohbass has yet to have a clear explanation from what I found, if it’s chest fry mix then I need to work on mine bc mine is not loud enough, VVM is similar to kargyrra except the underlying growl is not loud enough to be heard over the choir and only the desired note is heard

@@comically_large_chungus most use subharmonics (Especially if they go down to E1)

Thanks so much!! I appreciate the feedback and the suggestion. :)

Yes, damn YES!!

nina hagen's mezzo-soprano voice and her low 2nd octave/1st octave notes never coexisted, her severe vocal cord damage forced her tessitura lower and as a result her ability to belt in the 5th octave disappeared along with the formation of a bass register. basically her voice was no longer high by the time she could sing well below the bass clef. mccartney is a great example though, could sing to C2 or so in chest voice and had very strong vocal fry abilities down to A1, while being able to hit high 4th and low 5th octave belts

@@heliotropeskies5918 Actually! She was singing as low as the mid second octave and as high as the upper sixth octave altogether by the early 80s. Look up her album Nunsexmonkrock. But you’re right, her voice lowered severely by and into the 21st century. But still, such low notes are quite atypical on a woman.

Would be great. I can inform you a bit, I am training not exactly opera but a vocal set up very similar to opera. Basically you need to learn to lower you larynx and darken the vowels enough in your mix so that you open up your voice and enter a specific placement within your voice that is called “coperto” or covered mixed voice. It has the brightness and lightness of mix but the added projection of a more open throat and a lower larynx, plus a chestier sound. It’s super loud. Although I will say it is very advanced and it’s quite counterintuitive. If you want to learn more, I can give you some yt names. Although obviously this won’t make you sound exactly like Pav, this is just how he approached the passaggio area. He talks about this himself

@@toothless2323 Thanks! By the way, I successfully graduated Chris's vocal course and mixed etc. And now I sing in my mixed voice pretty well. But I was wondering how to sing opera and stuff like that. My head voice is pretty good and I can sing opera in my head voice. But the main problem is I can't sing opera in my chest voice. I try to lower my larynx but I can't hit high notes, for example "Nessun dorma". I just don't know how to sing it

@@ulfrik7825 I learned that, for me at least, it's more of a relative lowering of my larynx. When I am in my middle range singing opera, my larynx is quite far down (although not all the way). But as I move up I allow it to move up with me, as long as it is at any given time lower than when I am singing the same pitch in a more contemporary style. That being said, I do train the muscles and try to gain the strength to lower it even further, but when I am actually performing the aria I tend to not go as low as possible, because I always want a bit of leeway. That's all just on larynx position, but as you know there's some more stuff to it.

Steffen Thole yeah, covered mixed voice is the idea of darkening the vowels to a more woofier sound if you will and this will naturally lower the larynx. Not the the maximum as you say, but quite significantly. This opens the voice up in that copperto manner and allows for that singers formant and that second formant in the third harmonic to boost the sound. Second formant singing. Pav was called the master at this technique, and one can visually see this harmonic and formant relationship with a power spectrum.

@@SteffenThole and how am I supposed to sing high notes with lowered larynx? I can sing in mixed voice with lowered larynx. It's one of the 2 possible ways to do that. But I don't know how to sing with chest voice and lowered larynx and this frequent vibrato. It's just confusing. I hope Chris will make a video about that. Because i'm just stuck

You're welcome!

You can put your hand up to your neck and feel your adams apple... that works for me sometimes :) For better control over your larynx and how to manipulate your vocal tract without tension, if you want, check out my course: Discover Your Voice: (that's a big question to answer in a youtube comment or single video :) www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/discover-your-voice/

@@chrisliepe Got you. I did watch your free lessons, might enroll to your course in the near future. You're doing really great stuff on youtube, love your approach based on sensation rather than vague talk about body parts without care for practical execution.

@@arthursimsa9005 Great! I'm so glad the approach is meeting you where you're at!

Glad you enjoy the videos! Makes my day to hear that :) It might be easier to inhale and experience fry, but it's a lot less useful. Practice exhaling and fry more and it will become more natural.

@@chrisliepe THANK YOU so much! I will do that, of course! c:

And also first!!!!

Ohhh... Screaming Trees!! That'd would be COOL

Look up my video on how to sing high notes and phrases. That should help :)

Nice!!

Try doing the exercise through a straw and see if limiting that airflow helps you get fry more consistently. Have you tried my free voice course yet?

@@chrisliepe I haven't tried the course yet, also I think it might've been because I was trying to keep my voice down, that and I tried to do it laying down.

@@chrisliepe do remember that very very low pitches won't be that resonant off mic. Even people like Geoff Castellucci have their voice booster at parts just to have those a low AF notes give more oomph

Yes!

I think so!

It's pretty cool... haven't experimented with it too much myself though yet :)

Also sidenote* my lower range is way better when I do false cord screams. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong or if that should happen, I don't feel any pain.

As long as you feel like you're getting your engagement above your vocal cords and not below, you're in good shape :)

I really like Skillet!

If you feel good while doing it, you're not causing any damage. STOP if pain does become a thing. Working with lower notes with proper airflow and support rarely causes any discomfort! Enjoy the new phase of the journey!

@@chrisliepe Thank you for the advice!

Update: either my vocal cords are tired from yesterday or my brain just decided to turn me from toilet-monster into a sewer monster, I'm now able to full-voice a low A1, maybe even pop into a G#1 and a G1 for a bit. will also post updates on how this goes 'cause this is too much fun.

Making a video on him right now actually :)

@@chrisliepe Are serious? Hahaha. That deserves my subscription.

@@PEMAMETAL hehe.. yep! Good timing :) Thanks for the sub! The video will prolly go up love later this week or early next week

Honestly I wouldn't mind having morning voice or sick voice all the time with the extra notes I get 😂

Definitely a tenor, likely a high tenor. Speaking of "chest fry" that sounds interesting but i've never really gotten how to do it. I tend to just get into a mix using fry and that opens up bottom range. From there i just growl as heavy as i can and if it works i can get down to G1 or so.

@@muslimmetalman I’m a Robert plant type got it.

@@magmarok8209 thats actually right on the money

@@magmarok8209 that guy doesnt know what he is talking about he is bullshitting If you are a young man like 14 or so then you are most likely a Baritone maybe a bass in the future. If you bottom consistently at E2 or lower definately a Bass Now if you can hit easily A4s yeah that would make u a tenor but G2s for an untrained tenor is pretty extreme

⁠@@somekindofdude1130 after starting vocal training I regularly bottom out at Eb2 with resonance and C2 Db2 a good bit weaker. B1 and Bb1 are there but not good sounding or inviting. But I prefer to use subharmonics and chest fry for anything lower than an F2 since I really sound best from G2 to C5 and I’m most resonant from F2 to C4 I can get up there though. Around G5 Ab5 with the occasional Bb5 squeak. But I’m training in the basics right now.

Mojave MA 300... It's not too bad. They make great mics starting around $300

@@chrisliepe Sounds great man. Thanks for answering me. Already suscribed to your free course. Going to try to follow as much as i can.

OUT... at least for now :)

@@chrisliepe man i love u :) I will work on this

Mojave MA300s

@@chrisliepe Thank's ok i see! the price is nice too ... so i can understand why your sound is nice ;-)

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